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Post by peanuts on Sept 17, 2015 21:37:31 GMT
Brogan will get the 15 tomorrow. Eh No! Canavan already announced.
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Post by homerj on Sept 17, 2015 22:27:49 GMT
Brogan will get the 15 tomorrow. Eh No! Canavan already announced. By who and where? Official site annouces about 11.45 every day and #15 is tomorrow.
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Post by peanuts on Sept 17, 2015 22:42:16 GMT
Eh No! Canavan already announced. By who and where? Official site annouces about 11.45 every day and #15 is tomorrow. It was announced on the Last Word this evening by John Duggan.
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Post by falveyb2k on Sept 17, 2015 22:54:44 GMT
Hard to see Canavan getting in, he had good years in 02,03 and 05 but retired after that. Brogan and even Murphy have more work done in the last 15 years Canavan did get in. John Duggan announced the no. 15 on the Last Word this evening. Makes a farce of the whole thing if that's the case but that's always the problem with these selections, politics plays a large part along with a perception of how good a player was instead of what he really did
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Post by fitz on Sept 17, 2015 23:31:40 GMT
There was no rules, so few arguments can be proven. I mentioned that in early part of thread.
I think Joyce selection is beyond wrong for full forward. He was a very fine player indeed but 2001 is only successful season. Galway never got past quarters since. So, he didn't play against best teams. Moynihan had his measure for sure.
Donegal especially that neither Lacey with four All Stars and Michael Murphy and Dublin with Brogans omitted can feel aggrieved. Joyce and McGeeney the two most debatable selections
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Post by tyroneperson on Sept 18, 2015 0:06:48 GMT
Canavan did get in. John Duggan announced the no. 15 on the Last Word this evening. Makes a farce of the whole thing if that's the case but that's always the problem with these selections, politics plays a large part along with a perception of how good a player was instead of what he really did Ach I don't know, you could say the same about Joyce and he got in at full-forward. Canavan still won three all-stars in the noughties - his all-star in 2005 was a bit lucky but if he wasn't injured half the time that year nobody would've been complaining that he got one, put it that way.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 18, 2015 8:01:52 GMT
A selection without Cananvan would lack credibility. The debate should be about the selection of Joyce ahead of Murphy, to a lesser extent Brogan, while Stephen O'Neil if free from injury and early retirement was probably the pick of them all.
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Post by seamus on Sept 18, 2015 8:19:27 GMT
I switched off when Paul Flynn got in at 10.
4 decent seasons to be fair to him but not the same level of impact on his team or the game of football as Murphy or Bernard Brogan who have both carried their teams over long periods and delivered success.
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Post by Jo90 on Sept 18, 2015 13:46:56 GMT
Michael Murphy is only 26 which is only just past half way through his career so its too early to be making any of these sort of teams. A lot can happen in 2nd half of his career to add or remove from his reputation. Seamus Moynihan wouldn't have half the reputation based on what he did up to 26.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 18, 2015 15:15:34 GMT
Murphy has done a lot more than Flynn in the game to be honest! From the point of view of carrying a county - a non traditional one at that to the ultimate reward.
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Post by peanuts on Sept 18, 2015 15:46:57 GMT
Murphy has done a lot more than Flynn in the game to be honest! From the point of view of carrying a county - a non traditional one at that to the ultimate reward. You can't put Murphy wing forward so that's a bit of a silly argument. Who else would you put at no. 10? Galvin perhaps but Flynn has been very influential in Dublin's 2 AI wins and is the 1st Dub ever to win 4 All-stars in a row (hopefully it won't be a 5th!). You could make a big argument alright for Murphy instead of Joyce at 14 but Joyce's overall body of work (and O'Mahoney being on the selection team!) probably own it for him.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 18, 2015 16:01:29 GMT
Murphy has done a lot more than Flynn in the game to be honest! From the point of view of carrying a county - a non traditional one at that to the ultimate reward. You can't put Murphy wing forward so that's a bit of a silly argument. Who else would you put at no. 10? Galvin perhaps but Flynn has been very influential in Dublin's 2 AI wins and is the 1st Dub ever to win 4 All-stars in a row (hopefully it won't be a 5th!). You could make a big argument alright for Murphy instead of Joyce at 14 but Joyce's overall body of work (and O'Mahoney being on the selection team!) probably own it for him. There is no need to go nuts over it........ Murphy has probably spent more time out the field for Donegal than at 14.
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Post by peanuts on Sept 18, 2015 16:30:39 GMT
You can't put Murphy wing forward so that's a bit of a silly argument. Who else would you put at no. 10? Galvin perhaps but Flynn has been very influential in Dublin's 2 AI wins and is the 1st Dub ever to win 4 All-stars in a row (hopefully it won't be a 5th!). You could make a big argument alright for Murphy instead of Joyce at 14 but Joyce's overall body of work (and O'Mahoney being on the selection team!) probably own it for him. There is no need to go nuts over it........ Murphy has probably spent more time out the field for Donegal than at 14. Certainly no need to go nuts over it and didn't think I was .
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Post by Dermot on Sept 21, 2015 11:57:15 GMT
Na, Brogan before Joyce every time for me !!!
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Post by Jigz84 on Sept 22, 2015 10:57:50 GMT
10 of 12 for me too so far, full-forward line of Cooper, O'Neill and Canavan left. While I agree with you that all the above players are excellent- if Brogan doesnt get one then I will allow you to arrive at my house with a selection of hats for me to eat. Would you like salt or pepper with the hats?!
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Sept 22, 2015 17:53:51 GMT
Haha- I nearly prefer an official explanation as to why the best FF line player of the last 15 years hasnt got in the team
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Post by fitz on Sept 22, 2015 18:08:04 GMT
Bernard Brogan only became the man in 2010. That's only 6 years now. Tom O'Sullivan absolutely routed him in 09. He's class but there's so many contributing factors that TodayFM deliberately left out so there could be sufficient ambiguity to prevent contention in the selections that would need a jury.
Gooch has been the man for 11 years. 2002 - 2013. Sadly with the injury and the way he's expected to play, his star is starting to dim. He's still and always will a benchmark. 8 All Stars in football in this era, can't see any other player around now getting there, but let's see...
I'd say 1, maximum 2 more years for Colm.
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Post by seamo on Sept 23, 2015 18:58:41 GMT
Haha- I nearly prefer an official explanation as to why the best FF line player of the last 15 years hasnt got in the team He's a better corner forward than Gooch?
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Sept 25, 2015 6:17:59 GMT
Haha- I nearly prefer an official explanation as to why the best FF line player of the last 15 years hasnt got in the team He's a better corner forward than Gooch? Controversial enough but yeah I think so! Gooch has certain qualities that Brogan doesnt and vice versa but I think the latter is more effective
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Post by fitz on Sept 25, 2015 6:34:27 GMT
He's a better corner forward than Gooch? Controversial enough but yeah I think so! Gooch has certain qualities that Brogan doesnt and vice versa but I think the latter is more effective Again, Brogan has only been doing it for 6 years. Gooch for 13, with 1 season out, would be 14. Brogan can play full forward, Gooch can play Centre forward. Gooch has carried his team in 08, 10 and 13 against the odds. Look Brogan is class but he hasn't played a lot of last 15 years where Gooch has. He is highest Championship scorer of all time. I think because his form is starting to slide now as he nears end of his career while Bernard is still at the top of his game is skewing the comparison. 8 All Stars is testament to his genius and he has done it with weaker sides than Bernard has played with. He always stood out in finals we lost, this one being the exception. Gooch is is a level above all forwards in last 15 years in my view. His body of work backs it up. I don't reckon we'll see his like again any time soon
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Post by fitz on Sept 25, 2015 6:41:07 GMT
Controversial enough but yeah I think so! Gooch has certain qualities that Brogan doesnt and vice versa but I think the latter is more effective Again, Brogan has only been doing it for 6 years. Gooch for 13, with 1 season out, would be 14. Brogan can play full forward, Gooch can play Centre forward. Gooch has carried his team in 08, 10 and 13 against the odds. Look Brogan is class but he hasn't played a lot of last 15 years where Gooch has. He is highest Championship scorer of all time. I think because his form is starting to slide now as he nears end of his career while Bernard is still at the top of his game is skewing the comparison. 8 All Stars is testament to his genius and he has done it with weaker sides than Bernard has played with. He always stood out in finals we lost, this one being the exception. Gooch is is a level above all forwards in last 15 years in my view. His body of work backs it up. I don't reckon we'll see his like again any time soon Gooch was also arguably the best corner forward straight out of minor at 18 years of age and 10st weight. Brogan's biggest achievement for me was winning player of year in 2010 when he was playing with arguably the weakest of the Dublin sides he has soldiered with
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Post by Dermot on Oct 1, 2015 14:37:14 GMT
Canavan did get in. John Duggan announced the no. 15 on the Last Word this evening. Makes a farce of the whole thing if that's the case but that's always the problem with these selections, politics plays a large part along with a perception of how good a player was instead of what he really did Jeez Falvey, does the same not apply for Moynihan & Joyce who are on your team selection ? Can anyone stick up the full list please?
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Post by falveyb2k on Oct 1, 2015 16:57:57 GMT
Moynihan had 7 good seasons, Joyce played good football until 2010. I know Tyrone people will have a different opinion obviously but I just felt three extremely good years weren't enough given the sheer number of quality forwards, it's not a big deal, just my opinion. I wouldn't have Keith Higgins anywhere near Tom O Sullivan either but that's the way the team has ended up
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Post by Dermot on Oct 2, 2015 13:03:05 GMT
Moynihan had 7 good seasons, Joyce played good football until 2010. I know Tyrone people will have a different opinion obviously but I just felt three extremely good years weren't enough given the sheer number of quality forwards, it's not a big deal, just my opinion. I wouldn't have Keith Higgins anywhere near Tom O Sullivan either but that's the way the team has ended up Yeah everyone to their own as you say Falvey but for me, the first 2 names on that sheet would "always" be Canavan & Cooper.
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