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Post by southward on Aug 8, 2015 21:58:24 GMT
With respect, they have in their arse. It's a long time now since Kerry feared Tyrone. Granted, they looked solid enough today but as semi-finalists go, I'd have them over Dublin or Mayo any day. Tyrone have a decent system and make the best use of a mostly ordinary bunch of players, but that's about it. With respect yes they have . They beat us in 2 All Irelands and a semi Final. And Kerry had better players back then in my opinion. So I will back up my Comment. Tyrone had a much better team then too. And those games were a long time ago, with little relevance to today. Just as Kerry's AI final win over Tyrone in '86 has no bearing either. Recent history between the sides suggests anything but a Tyrone hex.
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Post by stevieq on Aug 8, 2015 22:00:12 GMT
Can't wait. Think that this will be more of a battle and occasion than if Monaghan won. Everyone is going to be up for this.
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Post by Kingdomson on Aug 8, 2015 22:00:44 GMT
I probably should have further qualified that statement about demons, I should have said as per the media as pre 2003 does not exist in their eyes and also the win in the Fitzgerald stadium does not count, they feel they have a voodoo sign over us in Croke park. We don't really think we have any sort of voodoo sign over Kerry at Croke Park or anywhere else, we just had a bloody good team at the time (as did Kerry). Anyway it should be a great occasion. Well said! It will be a great occasion and it will no doubt be a cracker of game. Tyrone are going to be feeling the love now again from Joe Brolly for the next 2 weeks, obsessing over bringing war and talking about central columns and phalanxes. In truth, it's great to be alive and witnessing the era of Colm Cooper and Sean Cavanagh, going head to head once more - truly great players!
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Post by southward on Aug 8, 2015 22:05:33 GMT
We don't really think we have any sort of voodoo sign over Kerry at Croke Park or anywhere else, we just had a bloody good team at the time (as did Kerry). Anyway it should be a great occasion. Well said! It will be a great occasion and it will no doubt be a cracker of game. Tyrone are going to be feeling the love now again from Joe Brolly for the next 2 weeks, obsessing over bringing war and talking about central columns and phalanxes. In truth, it's great to be alive and witnessing the era of Colm Cooper and Sean Cavanagh, going head to head once more - truly great players! Not to mention sackings and getting in faces. A real aesthete is Joe.
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Post by glanlea on Aug 8, 2015 22:37:05 GMT
As regards recent history 2003-we underestimated them/caught us out 2005-they were the better team 2008-they outsmarted us on the line. no argument. 2012-irrelevant,they were rubbish 2015- i don't see why we should fear them,they lost to Donegal who got well beat today and beat three div3 teams plus monsghan(beat Donegal by a point) . it will be a tough game no doubt with a lot rubbish referene to the 00s. Kerry to prevail by 5
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Post by fg on Aug 8, 2015 22:45:59 GMT
I probably should have further qualified that statement about demons, I should have said as per the media as pre 2003 does not exist in their eyes and also the win in the Fitzgerald stadium does not count, they feel they have a voodoo sign over us in Croke park. We don't really think we have any sort of voodoo sign over Kerry at Croke Park or anywhere else, we just had a bloody good team at the time (as did Kerry). Anyway it should be a great occasion. Agree, however I did say the media, I never bought into it but some sectors get off on it.
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Post by dano on Aug 9, 2015 0:15:31 GMT
This'll make for a great couple of weeks coming up to the semi. Eamonn, Marc, Aidan, Gooch and Paul will remember the pain of 08 when, I believe, we threw that one away. Whatever about Donegal in last years final this will be the true test of how Eamonn's strategy copes with the blanket.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Aug 9, 2015 1:16:27 GMT
Tyrone are good at running through the middle which causes us problems. It'll be a tough game. And the odds now Non gamblers take note, odds are based on a middleman (i.e. bookies) NOT LOSING and WINNING if possible. Another hidden factor is what they stood to loose before the Quarter Finals. There is massive money 'riding on' the Dubs if only because it is a massive urban and by definition betting population, i.e. a betting shop at every corner. Now here's a tip: Dubs back Kerry when they are not involved, hence the normally bad value odds on us. Conversely we are proper value this year so maybe worth a bet. Personally I believe we will win although I have a wee bet on us for a 4 and a 5 in a row, so I am a bit crazy on this one.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Aug 9, 2015 1:19:46 GMT
FF position determined both games, Aidan O'6, Cavanagh, Murphy and McManus. Also last year's AI final funnily enough, and a few more before the Bomber took to the rocking chair!
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Post by wayupnorth on Aug 9, 2015 8:58:36 GMT
Last four meetings of Kerry and Tyrone
NFL 2015 (Healy Park) Kerry 1-14 Tyrone 0-17
NFL 2014 (Fitzgerald Stadium) Kerry 3-15 Tyrone 0-9
NFL 2013 (Healy Park) Kerry 1-16 Tyrone 2-12
SFC 2012 (Fitzgerald Stadium) Kerry 1-16 Tyrone 1-6
Aggregate score Kerry 6-61 Tyrone 3-44
Goals per game Kerry 1.5 Tyrone 0.75
Points per game Kerry 15 Tyrone 11
Aggregate points per game Kerry 20 Tyrone 13
We haven't lost a competitive game of football to Tyrone since the NFL in Healy Park in 2010 and that was only by a point the last time Tyrone were relegated to Division 2.
We truly have nothing to fear but fear itself!
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Post by greengold35 on Aug 9, 2015 9:23:48 GMT
We cannot underestimate Tyrone but I believe that we are 4/5 points a better team- choice of referee will be crucial here- Coldrick would be my choice but the media make him favourite for the final so we have to look elsewhere- Deegan would seem to be the most realistic candidate after him.
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Post by seamo on Aug 9, 2015 9:54:57 GMT
We don't really think we have any sort of voodoo sign over Kerry at Croke Park or anywhere else, we just had a bloody good team at the time (as did Kerry). Anyway it should be a great occasion. Well said! It will be a great occasion and it will no doubt be a cracker of game. Tyrone are going to be feeling the love now again from Joe Brolly for the next 2 weeks, obsessing over bringing war and talking about central columns and phalanxes. In truth, it's great to be alive and witnessing the era of Colm Cooper and Sean Cavanagh, going head to head once more - truly great players! I reckon Joe's a massive Game of Thrones fan!
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Post by seamo on Aug 9, 2015 10:00:40 GMT
Last four meetings of Kerry and Tyrone NFL 2015 (Healy Park) Kerry 1-14 Tyrone 0-17 NFL 2014 (Fitzgerald Stadium) Kerry 3-15 Tyrone 0-9 NFL 2013 (Healy Park) Kerry 1-16 Tyrone 2-12 SFC 2012 (Fitzgerald Stadium) Kerry 1-16 Tyrone 1-6 Aggregate score Kerry 6-61 Tyrone 3-44 Goals per game Kerry 1.5 Tyrone 0.75 Points per game Kerry 15 Tyrone 11 Aggregate points per game Kerry 20 Tyrone 13 We haven't lost a competitive game of football to Tyrone since the NFL in Healy Park in 2010 and that was only by a point the last time Tyrone were relegated to Division 2. We truly have nothing to fear but fear itself! Yeah but games that Kerry win don't count! 2003, 2005 and 2008 will still be cited in 20 years time. A lot of sh!t gets talked about Kerry fans, majority of which (if not all!) is bull. Up until a few years ago we had the measure of the Dubs mentally eg. ~2009 QF, but we can acknowledge that we no longer have that mental edge, how is it that so many still hang on to 3 victories in a 5 year period a decade ago?!
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Post by Jo90 on Aug 9, 2015 10:11:33 GMT
I think the 2013 semi between Mayo and Tyrone would be useful as a reference for what Kerry should expect and how to deal with it. Tyrone were ahead in a very tight game but Mayo stayed patient and when they managed to take the lead, there was more space which they then exploited.
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Post by mushroom on Aug 9, 2015 10:39:04 GMT
Were 1/3 with Tyrone at 7/2 with the draw at 10/1 for the semi final.
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Post by donegalman on Aug 9, 2015 11:58:53 GMT
This has the makings of a great game. I have got to say that the referees this year have been mostly very good. Gough did a good job yesterday, although Duffy let himself down with the hair incident. If Kerry get a run on tyrone it will be a hammering match.
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Post by fivenarow on Aug 9, 2015 12:13:03 GMT
If we play to our capabilities I can't see Tyrone coming within 6 pts of us. However if we have an off day & Tyrone are left get away with their usual antics it could be a close call. I'd expect our fellows to be well drilled in dealing with the guaranteed provocation that's going to happen. The only way to stop that kind of crap is to show a few fast yellow cards but that's dependant on the ref so the appointment of him is going to be a big call by headquarters.
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Post by thepope on Aug 9, 2015 12:21:18 GMT
the previous championship meetings between the counties will count for nothing, the teams are completely different now. it'll give the hacks something to write about but that's about it.
I think Kerry will come through this one but I expect a good testing game. Kerry should have the upper hand in midfield. Physically Kerry are a year, or two, ahead of the younger tyrone players in development as well.
patience when facing a blanket is what won the all-Ireland last year. the same approach will serve us well in the semi. patience and cool heads.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 9, 2015 12:22:16 GMT
Ear plugs?
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Post by tyroneperson on Aug 9, 2015 12:34:18 GMT
Last four meetings of Kerry and Tyrone NFL 2014 (Fitzgerald Stadium) Kerry 3-15 Tyrone 0-9 Christ, I'd completely forgotten about that one.
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Post by oldschool on Aug 9, 2015 13:40:09 GMT
Was it my imagination or did Cavanagh get easy frees for Tyrone. It seemed that if anyone touched him he got the free.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 9, 2015 14:12:35 GMT
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Post by fitz on Aug 9, 2015 14:17:59 GMT
Last four meetings of Kerry and Tyrone NFL 2014 (Fitzgerald Stadium) Kerry 3-15 Tyrone 0-9 Christ, I'd completely forgotten about that one. Kerry looked like heading toward relegation before that game. Poxy day, JOD goal hat trick
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 9, 2015 14:19:43 GMT
Above are extracts from Mickey Harte's book. It relates to the 2003 win over or humiliation of Kerry.
Prior to every paragraph he has a little appropriate quote.
For that 2003 game it was "On my command, unleash hell".
And so they did. Kerry need have no excuses if they lose to Tyrone in 2015.
They know what to expect. Time for men with tenacious stout hearts.
Kerrys three previous managers all lost to Mickey Harte in their first showdown with Tyrone..in 2003, 2005 and 2008.
Eamonn has an opportunity now to reverse that trend.
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Post by keane on Aug 9, 2015 14:29:07 GMT
That's some pretty laughable editing for that book considering both the quote and name they've attributed it to are wrong.
Is it worth reading? Seems not particularly promising if that's the standard of research and fact checking in it.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 9, 2015 15:25:56 GMT
I think MH was more interested in getting into the heads of the Tyrone players than winning the Booker prize!
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Post by keane on Aug 9, 2015 15:40:29 GMT
I think MH was more interested in getting into the heads of the Tyrone players than winning the Booker prize! What's the name of it? I might give it a look
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Post by onlykerry on Aug 9, 2015 16:42:27 GMT
Kerry 2015 are a far better team than Tyrone and should account for Tyrone in the SF. However and it is a big however Tyrone are a dangerous opponent - they will stop at nothing to win and will play like possessed demons. We need to play our game and be ruthless when opportunities present themselves. There is much to admire about Tyrone in the MH era but neary as much to dislike and yesterdays QF was a cameo of this. Kerry need to forget Kildare and get their heads ready for battle and if we are right mentally we will prevail - should be an easier fixture to get the players focussed for than a game against Monaghan where complacency could have been a bigger threat. A win would be great, a serious win would be a dream come true.
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Post by glengael on Aug 9, 2015 16:47:26 GMT
With respect, they have in their arse. It's a long time now since Kerry feared Tyrone. Granted, they looked solid enough today but as semi-finalists go, I'd have them over Dublin or Mayo any day. Tyrone have a decent system and make the best use of a mostly ordinary bunch of players, but that's about it. With respect yes they have . They beat us in 2 All Irelands and a semi Final. And Kerry had better players back then in my opinion. So I will back up my Comment. Yes but how do the Tyrone team of 15 compare to the teams of the past? You could argue that they also had better players in the past than they have now.
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Post by Chinatown on Aug 9, 2015 17:01:04 GMT
Well this must be wrecking Paul Galvins head, the media will have a field day on run up to this. Keep it simple and can't get dragged into Dog fight. Should have enough in tank either way
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