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Post by ballynamona on Jul 30, 2015 20:41:03 GMT
Pace going forward with O brien to keep the Kildare loose horses at a minimum. Good to see O Mahoney rewarded with a place for his exceptional effort in the MFR, overall a great team and one with plenty of room for dynamic change,, all good You're probably right about pace. As an aside, a bit of historical resonance with this meeting. The 'home' final of 1903, played in 1905 was Kerry's first all-ireland Final victory - though the title was secured against London. Kerry and Kildare had a rivalry at that stage -Kildare beat Kerry in the 1905 decider, played in 1907. A generation later, Kerry won the 1926 title v Kildare after a replay, but the result was reversed in the 1927 final.
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Post by Deise Exile on Jul 30, 2015 20:44:52 GMT
At last finding a settled team after a very competitive 3 games in the Munster championship. Michael Geaney unfortunate to lose out. A big performance by David Moran over Paul criben will decide the day
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Post by beantownfan on Jul 30, 2015 20:45:15 GMT
Thought Mikey Geaney might get the nod ahead of Stephen based on the replay, the man must be doing wreck at training. As mentioned above his pace is electric so I'd say he's been instructed to drive at them all day. I hope he has a good day out as the man has serious potential (remember goal against Mayo last year in the league?)..
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Jul 30, 2015 20:52:57 GMT
I'm surprised at the selection of O Brien at wing forward. His tackling isn't good and when he is put on the back foot this weakness surfaces time and again. Feel for Buckley but he had to be dropped in fairness. His firm hasn't been what it was. Happy with the rest of the team. Looking back at the matches Kildare played against Laois,Donie Kingston did serious damage against the Kildare defence and I expect Star to do likewise on Sunday,given the right ball. The forecast is diabolical for Sunday. Kerry impressed me with their composure and their handling in the Killarney replay. They should handle the conditions better than Kildare,hopefully!
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jul 30, 2015 21:26:50 GMT
Very surprised about O'Brien getting the nod. Had a chance to watch the two cork matches back over the last few days. Its only a small thing but, he is always and i mean always getting involved in petty things. Kicking the ball away after frees given against him and getting tangled up with the opposition instead of handing them back the ball. I know all players do it but, he seems to take it to extremes and frankly its reflects badly on him. Any one watch back the two cork games bearing in mind what i said and you will see what i mean. He just needs to concentrate on the games. Thats my old man rant for the day
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Post by norman on Jul 30, 2015 21:43:40 GMT
Happy enough with the team except for Kealy,I still have nightmares of him screwing up in a big game again. Dropping Buckley was the right decision, SoB has pace and will exploit the gaps that will hopefully open up against Kildare. Buckley is a workhorse but he is still playing like he is overawed by the occasion. Happy with the forward line as Paul Geaney is growing in strength & confidence.
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Post by Hicser on Jul 30, 2015 22:08:19 GMT
Very strong team, going for consistency, I can't see TW or PG getting a run now for the rest of the year,
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 30, 2015 22:10:30 GMT
I would have been shocked if KD wasn't picked for Sunday's game. Happy to see Stephen O'Brien continuing his education at senior level, he has plenty of potential.
Last Autumn three exceptional young players were impressively cutting their teeth and thriving, Fionn Fitzgerald, Peter Crowley and Johnny Buckley. JB did some serious heavy lifting in the All-Ireland final. I expect to see all three pushing very hard for inclusion as the championship unfolds.
Great to see another young player in JL continuing to grow into the wing back role. Looking forward to a footballers game of football at the weekend.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 30, 2015 22:11:55 GMT
Very strong team, going for consistency, I can't see TW or PG getting a run now for the rest of the year, You'd be surprised!
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Post by davocon on Jul 30, 2015 22:19:59 GMT
Happy enough with the team except for Kealy,I still have nightmares of him screwing up in a big game again. Dropping Buckley was the right decision, SoB has pace and will exploit the gaps that will hopefully open up against Kildare. Buckley is a workhorse but he is still playing like he is overawed by the occasion. Happy with the forward line as Paul Geaney is growing in strength & confidence. Have to agree with you on Kealy.. I would have thought Kelly would be our man throughout the championship this year but I guess Kealy is doing well behind closed doors at training. In Fitzy we trust!
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Post by jamo on Jul 30, 2015 22:28:34 GMT
If Stephen OBrien was a rugby player he would ideal wearing 13 and would go through any gap in the defensive cover in a flash. He is brave and honest and a nightmare to mark unless you operate a well organised blanket defence. The blanket defence poses him problems and he is more suited to the half forward line. He might have a very prosperous future as an attacking wing back. Kerry need to start mopping up the breaks a bit more around the middle and hopefully SOB can contribute to that aspect too. Buckley didn't look fully fit in recent games and if he is injured why is he in the 26. There is a good bit of steel in every line now in that team now and with 6 subs allowed Kerry can finish with a very strong team too. Sooner or later Kerry will lose a game through conceding goals. They must revert to the formula for the 2014 final which won the All Ireland and so pissed off Brolly and co. Jonny B must be injured to see o'Brien replacing him - It is a big opportunity for o'Brien to stake a claim for the half forward position as I think the open spaces of Croke Park will suit his style - he has speed to burn but needs to look up and see options available to him and his colleagues and avoid getting cards. Our diamond around the middle and players from the bench will see us win by 6 points or more.
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Post by kerryanalyser87 on Jul 30, 2015 22:35:41 GMT
Very surprised about O'Brien getting the nod. Had a chance to watch the two cork matches back over the last few days. Its only a small thing but, he is always and i mean always getting involved in petty things. Kicking the ball away after frees given against him and getting tangled up with the opposition instead of handing them back the ball. I know all players do it but, he seems to take it to extremes and frankly its reflects badly on him. Any one watch back the two cork games bearing in mind what i said and you will see what i mean. He just needs to concentrate on the games. Thats my old man rant for the day I myself watched these two matches over and over again, and I noticed how SOB was wronged on numerous occasions, many times both his arms were caught and jersey pulled and he was called for travelling. When a player is wronged and knows he is wronged it may make him lose his cool which O'Brien seems to do but if the reff made the right decisions ye would be saying the conplete opposite. Still no one has came up with a reason for his first yellow, heard a few things but want to know what he heard?
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Post by fealeside on Jul 30, 2015 22:43:28 GMT
Very surprised about O'Brien getting the nod. Had a chance to watch the two cork matches back over the last few days. Its only a small thing but, he is always and i mean always getting involved in petty things. Kicking the ball away after frees given against him and getting tangled up with the opposition instead of handing them back the ball. I know all players do it but, he seems to take it to extremes and frankly its reflects badly on him. Any one watch back the two cork games bearing in mind what i said and you will see what i mean. He just needs to concentrate on the games. Thats my old man rant for the day
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Post by fitz on Jul 30, 2015 22:57:59 GMT
I like what O'Brien brings but he has development points. Awareness and decision making is a big one, in possession. He made two great runs in first game against Cork beating 2-3 players and decided or didn't think to offload, both generous opportunities squandered. Positional awareness defensively too, Barry O'Driscoll. Enough said. Discipline is the last one. Coming on in replay and getting sent off was just nonsensical. Even if the first yellow was harsh, he was fresh, so could have been physically effective and mentally aware without having to risk the second card.
The guys like with Shane see the end product and must believe it worth travelling the road. If he clicks he could make and or score goals in most games.
Think folk are hard on Johnny Buck. He answered all character questions last year in pressure situations. What's happened this year is not poor playing form but very poor tackling that has seen him leave the pitch before being able to play well or badly. He executed the rob for Donaghy's goal v Cork and kicked a super point as well. Perspective needed. His indiscipline has cost him, but interestingly not Stephen. Need a big show from Stephen now on Sunday.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jul 30, 2015 23:13:52 GMT
Very surprised about O'Brien getting the nod. Had a chance to watch the two cork matches back over the last few days. Its only a small thing but, he is always and i mean always getting involved in petty things. Kicking the ball away after frees given against him and getting tangled up with the opposition instead of handing them back the ball. I know all players do it but, he seems to take it to extremes and frankly its reflects badly on him. Any one watch back the two cork games bearing in mind what i said and you will see what i mean. He just needs to concentrate on the games. Thats my old man rant for the day I myself watched these two matches over and over again, and I noticed how SOB was wronged on numerous occasions, many times both his arms were caught and jersey pulled and he was called for travelling. When a player is wronged and knows he is wronged it may make him lose his cool which O'Brien seems to do but if the reff made the right decisions ye would be saying the conplete opposite. Still no one has came up with a reason for his first yellow, heard a few things but want to know what he heard? I thought he was especially petulant in the replay to be honest. I would be of the mind that regardless of what happens to you your never going the change the refs mind.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jul 31, 2015 0:42:14 GMT
I think game time will bring O'Brien on big time and I can only imagine him playing a vital role when a game further down the line is hanging, like a few newish fellas did in the AI final last year. He has energy to burn and boy does he light it. From what I see and hear, he is a fixture in the making. That 14 start again shows that Éamonn was happy with the previous outing, then again if we were facing another team he might well have a different configuration. Johnny B will still play a big role going forward and I'd challenge anyone to name a universally agreed starting 15; too much splitting hairs. We are blessed and that is across the entire team, i.e. 1-15. 16-30, management, backroom, sponsors, even us 'animal' supporters.
Slán go fóill go mo fellow animals agus hopefully we will stampede and trample all before us as we climb Óstán Hogan for uimhir 38 an blain seo!
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Post by keane on Jul 31, 2015 7:52:20 GMT
Not surprised Buckley is left out on this occasion as he hasn't played well at all this year.
It's far from the case that tackling was his only issue, in fact it was his only real positive - according to Syl Hennessy he had six tackles but only 3 possessions in the replay which is just too ineffective to be putting up with. Had a very similar performance against Tipperary.
He was great last year but doesn't own a jersey and his performances haven't been near good enough considering the options available. I'd give him every chance of pulling his socks up and reclaiming the place however, he's just having a bad patch.
Surprised SOB gets the nod ahead of M Geaney who was fantastic against Tipp and really excellent again when introduced against Cork. O'Brien was good off the bench v Tipp, very poor in the drawn game and sent off in the replay.
I suspect Eamonn may still be playing a bit of silly beggars with his line-ups in general and we may not learn what he really thinks his best team is until a final.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 31, 2015 8:26:13 GMT
O Brien has been poor and I'm very surprised that he's starting to be honest and I agree about expecting Geaney to be in ahead of him. He has looked really off the pace this year and without being overly harsh on the lad- I just don't rate him particularly highly.
I hope he proves me wrong emphatically
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Post by Jigz84 on Jul 31, 2015 8:46:32 GMT
Horses for courses. O' Brien had arguably his best game for Kerry in the league game last year above in Newbridge. Kildare couldn't handle him.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Jul 31, 2015 10:56:23 GMT
The Kildare team has been named. No changes from the Cork game. Mark Donnellan Ciaran Fitzpatrick, Mick O'Grady, Ollie Lyons, Kevin Murnaghan, Eoin Doyle, Emmet Bolton, Tommy Moolick, Paul Cribbin, Eoghan O'Flaherty, Niall Kelly, Padraig O'Neill, Eamonn Callaghan, Alan Smith and Cathal McNally.
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Post by seaniebo on Jul 31, 2015 11:13:09 GMT
More so than Stephen O Brien I think the continued exclusion of the Gooch is a surprising one. I thought Eamonn would allow the wizard a good chunk of this game to get his eye in so to speak. Perhaps the Gooch is destined to remain as impact sub material for the rest of this campaign.
Buckley will have a major impact on whether Sam rests in the Kingdom again over the Winter. Things can change in a heartbeat. It was this time last year Donaghy was pulling whatever hair he has left out of his head and didn't even get any game time versus Galway. Only for him Sam would have holidayed in unfamiliar territory. I expect a similar response from Buckley. He's a huge player for us. There will be a ferocious battle for places if we get over Kildare. We are in a good place in terms of competition for spots.
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Post by keane on Jul 31, 2015 11:16:19 GMT
As I said a while ago I think Eamonn might be playing a long con w.r.t Cooper. I remember chatting to my old man about Donaghy around this time last year wondering if it might be that he was hoping everyone would write him off before landing him on the edge of the square to mark Rory O'Carroll in the final.
As it transpired it didn't work out that way but I'd wonder if they might be trying to cultivate a sub image for Gooch before unleashing him in a final.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Jul 31, 2015 11:31:21 GMT
Gooch has been out of the running for quite a while and I think we can all remember the huge psychological damage to supporters and players when he got injured. We all thought we were doomed without Gooch. It turned out the conveyor belt turned out another wizard and the rest is history so to speak. Pooch needs a few games to get back to his absolute best after such a long stint away and another injury would be a huge blow. There is no harm in trying to get the job done with keeping a few proven match winners in reserve. Darran is getting a rough time though; gives absolutely everything and anything for Kerry football and has to be happy with a place on the bench. Whenever he comes though it is visible how eager he is to impress. Like Donaghy last year keeping Buckley on the bench keeps him on his toes. Have an off day and you will not start, drop form in training and you will not start, etc. Once players become complacent and think they are sure to be the first name on the paper we have to start worrying. Buckley and Gooch will no doubt have a big impact on Sunday.
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Jul 31, 2015 11:57:20 GMT
There's no way Gooch has 70 mins football in him after such an injury. Surely it's better to have him there to finish out the game rather than have to take him off.
I think Donaghy needs a big game and no better place for him to do deliver it than Croker. I still think Eamon is keeping a few tricks up his sleeve for later.
I'm a bit surprised that O'Brien is starting ahead of M Geaney but perhaps he has more to offer from the bench. O'Brien has pace to burn and may open up in the open spaces in HQ.
Kerry have a habit of being cold at this stage of the Championship but I just hope we got that out of our system in the first Cork game. We should have far too much for Kildare if we perform to 75% of our ability.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 31, 2015 12:48:53 GMT
There's no way Gooch has 70 mins football in him after such an injury. Surely it's better to have him there to finish out the game rather than have to take him off. I think Donaghy needs a big game and no better place for him to do deliver it than Croker. I still think Eamon is keeping a few tricks up his sleeve for later. I'm a bit surprised that O'Brien is starting ahead of M Geaney but perhaps he has more to offer from the bench. O'Brien has pace to burn and may open up in the open spaces in HQ. Kerry have a habit of being cold at this stage of the Championship but I just hope we got that out of our system in the first Cork game. We should have far too much for Kildare if we perform to 75% of our ability. Is he that fast? He always seems to be moving quite awkwardly to me- very heavy legged.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Jul 31, 2015 12:54:20 GMT
O'Brien somehow reminds me of Darran in the way that he manages very driven, long, piercing runs. His ball carrying is second to none or akin to Darran's. Buckley and Geaney both bring other traits to that position. O'Brien has been inconsistent, but I'm convinced he has the talent to become a Kerry great. Like Paul Murphy he has amazing potential and like Enright seems to have finally found his way this year I'm sure O'Brien will as well at some point.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 31, 2015 12:57:09 GMT
O'Brien somehow reminds me of Darran in the way that he manages very driven, long, piercing runs. His ball carrying is second to none or akin to Darran's. Buckley and Geaney both bring other traits to that position. O'Brien has been inconsistent, but I'm convinced he has the talent to become a Kerry great. Like Paul Murphy he has amazing potential and like Enright seems to have finally found his way this year I'm sure O'Brien will as well at some point. After you've calmed down from your bout of over excitement - look up the word hyperbole in the dictionary.
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Post by ArthurG on Jul 31, 2015 12:59:45 GMT
okay I haven't posted in a while so as we near the business end I feel its time to come out of retirement!
I'm not surprised at all with the team - what people don't seem to get is the squad nature of the game nowadays and EF is using a measured approach to each game. You can't play well everyday so the next day Buckley is starting on the bench. He was immense last year with his physicality, against Mayo in particular, and IMO is a certainty to start v Ulster teams once (not if) we beat Kildare. He is a likely replacement in the 2nd half the next day for a tiring Sheehan even if his frees may not be as consistent.
I was at the Kildare against Dublin game and their biggest issue that day was when ran at they were completely vulnerable at the back and had no answer, also when you get ahead of them the fight goes out of them pretty easily.
Kerry by minimum of 5pts
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Jul 31, 2015 13:01:25 GMT
There's no way Gooch has 70 mins football in him after such an injury. Surely it's better to have him there to finish out the game rather than have to take him off. I think Donaghy needs a big game and no better place for him to do deliver it than Croker. I still think Eamon is keeping a few tricks up his sleeve for later. I'm a bit surprised that O'Brien is starting ahead of M Geaney but perhaps he has more to offer from the bench. O'Brien has pace to burn and may open up in the open spaces in HQ. Kerry have a habit of being cold at this stage of the Championship but I just hope we got that out of our system in the first Cork game. We should have far too much for Kildare if we perform to 75% of our ability. Is he that fast? He always seems to be moving quite awkwardly to me- very heavy legged. He certainly had last year, unless he has lost the pace this year. Perhaps as training is tapered we will see it from him again. He reminds me of Darren O'Sullivan earlier in his career when he would go on serious runs but often failed to look up and carried it into dead ends.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 31, 2015 13:46:37 GMT
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