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Post by fitz on Jul 27, 2015 20:46:23 GMT
Am I right in saying that Paul Murphy is under threat of suspension if he picks up another black card here? If so, might we gamble on doing without him the next day? Paul picked up two black cards in the League so if he gets another it will mean automatic suspension for the next game. Don't know about not playing him though because it would be better for him to pick one up here than in the semi and go on to miss the final. As a thought, a cynical player with two blacks early on in the league might deliberately pick up another as soon as possible to avoid the suspension at a more crucial stage? Or is there another rule that covers that possibility? He's a must player for us, we need him playing for game time reasons and his ferret( meant as a huge compliment) like defence characteristics. Bravest tenacity. If he gets the black we deal with it. Protecting him from games gives the issue more attention and almost certainly the opposition fodder for targeting.
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Post by sullyschoice on Jul 27, 2015 20:53:58 GMT
Does the cards carry between competitions
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Post by wayupnorth on Jul 27, 2015 22:48:29 GMT
As a thought, a cynical player with two blacks early on in the league might deliberately pick up another as soon as possible to avoid the suspension at a more crucial stage? Or is there another rule that covers that possibility? There's no rule to cover this - Michael Murphy picked up a third in the Tyrone game in the league and missed the Mayo league game as a result. The third black card Murphy picked up was in the 59th minute and was for a pull-down of Sean Cavanagh. So Michael Murphy (or any other player in the same position) can pick up three black cards, take the suspension and go back to square one? That's not much of a deterrent for the serial offender. Perhaps what should happen is that after three in one season any further blacks would result in a suspension from the following match. Much the same way as two straight reds in a season would be dealt with.
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Post by keane on Jul 27, 2015 22:50:06 GMT
Does the cards carry between competitions "The 1 game suspension is applicable to the next game in the Competition in which the third ordering-off occurred at all levels, except Senior inter-county League and Championship." Would appear to suggest at intercounty level the black cards only apply to the competition in which they were given. Ie Paul Murphy has zero championship black cards to his name.
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Post by wayupnorth on Jul 27, 2015 22:55:13 GMT
Does the cards carry between competitions "The 1 game suspension is applicable to the next game in the Competition in which the third ordering-off occurred at all levels, except Senior inter-county League and Championship." Would appear to suggest at intercounty level the black cards only apply to the competition in which they were given. Ie Paul Murphy has zero championship black cards to his name. Or that for Senior League and Championship that they do carry over.
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Post by peanuts on Jul 27, 2015 23:10:44 GMT
Does the cards carry between competitions "The 1 game suspension is applicable to the next game in the Competition in which the third ordering-off occurred at all levels, except Senior inter-county League and Championship." Would appear to suggest at intercounty level the black cards only apply to the competition in which they were given. Ie Paul Murphy has zero championship black cards to his name. It's a bit confusing on the GAA website but as far as I could make out they do carry over. The quote above actually relates to sending offs/ black cards in a 48 week period for clubs which is why it excludes inter county league and championships.
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Post by animal on Jul 28, 2015 8:25:23 GMT
Anyone care to predict the team?
Gooch in for Donaghy? Will there be a change at wing forward?
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Post by gamechanger10 on Jul 28, 2015 8:50:29 GMT
The black card is now a constant threat over Murphy, in any game for the entire championship he would miss the next game on suspension. If he was black carded against Tipp he would have missed the drawn game and he was black carded again in the replay he would miss the Kildare game and so on and so on. I think he will start Donaghy as it is the first day in Croke park this year and he is the captain but if the weather is bad he might rethink his options as it is much easier to defend against him on a wet day. Speaking of Donaghy I was a little concerned in the Cork replay the way he was winning ball out on the wings but there was no runners using the space down the middle and Donaghy was clearly looking in that area to feed them. No point in hitting him out there with no support or runners. Kildare will be very confident and they will have a nothing to loose attitude on Sunday, I think they will give us plenty to be thinking about, remember Down in 2010 they were in the same position and just hit us with everything and caught us cold so we need to be awake and hit them early to rattle their confidence and take the wind out of their sail.
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Post by buck02 on Jul 28, 2015 9:05:57 GMT
Anyone care to predict the team? Gooch in for Donaghy? Will there be a change at wing forward? I have a feeling they make keep Aidan O Mahony in reserve for Monaghan and bring back in Peter Crowley. Mikey Geaney possibly for Johnny Buckley going on Johnny's form in games this summer so far. I think Donaghy will start. I think Fitzy will play his cards close to his chest for this one. I'll probably get lynched for this, but there is no point in showing Dublin, Mayo, Monaghan and Donegal our masterplan against Kildare. We should be capable of getting 2 goals or more against Kildare. And wouldnt it be nice to win a game by keeping a clean sheet?
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Post by fitz on Jul 28, 2015 9:17:11 GMT
Anyone care to predict the team? Gooch in for Donaghy? Will there be a change at wing forward? I have a feeling they make keep Aidan O Mahony in reserve for Monaghan and bring back in Peter Crowley. Mikey Geaney possibly for Johnny Buckley going on Johnny's form in games this summer so far. I think Donaghy will start. I think Fitzy will play his cards close to his chest for this one. I'll probably get lynched for this, but there is no point in showing Dublin, Mayo, Monaghan and Donegal our masterplan against Kildare. We should be capable of getting 2 goals or more against Kildare. And wouldnt it be nice to win a game by keeping a clean sheet? Can't see it Buck. Aidan has played 1 game, he needs game time. He's our bestfull back and looks in grew fettle. I think he'll pick his best team to build a consistent unit used to playing together. Eamonn got the fright the first day with Cork. Any cards re:players I think will be with the subs. Game plans to be preserved and rolled out to suit each game, so no real disclosure as such versus Kildare to my mind that would help Monaghan/Tyrone. Donaghy to definitely start for me. He's done very little wrong with poor ball, atrocious conditions with same poor ball and double marking. I think Gooch will have same roll again. Conditions likely to he testing again.
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Post by keane on Jul 28, 2015 9:29:42 GMT
You guys could be right re:my misreading of that line from the black card rules. Probably means the opposite of what I initially thought although it's quite ambiguous.
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Post by onlykerry on Jul 28, 2015 9:31:05 GMT
On pure play I would drop Donaghy - he is not winning enough of the ball and he is not getting the frees that his mauling would get further out the field. I think he has lost some of his mobility plus it seems ok to foul a big full forward under a high ball near the goal but not anywhere else on the field. That is based on pure play, however tactically he should start as it requires the defending team to play deeper and slows down their attacking game. Use Donaghy for 40-45 minutes to keep the defence back and tire them out then introduce the subs who can benefit in the final 20.
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Post by givehimaball on Jul 28, 2015 10:30:30 GMT
There's no rule to cover this - Michael Murphy picked up a third in the Tyrone game in the league and missed the Mayo league game as a result. The third black card Murphy picked up was in the 59th minute and was for a pull-down of Sean Cavanagh. So Michael Murphy (or any other player in the same position) can pick up three black cards, take the suspension and go back to square one? That's not much of a deterrent for the serial offender. Perhaps what should happen is that after three in one season any further blacks would result in a suspension from the following match. Much the same way as two straight reds in a season would be dealt with. Also when they brought this in they got rid of the rule about the 48 weeks for intercounty games (still stands for club games.0 I would like to see this changed so that sending offs for black or red never expire - after you have used up your 3 offences, it drops to 2 offences before you pick up another match suspension and then after that every time you get sent off its an automatic match suspension.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 28, 2015 10:32:03 GMT
Kieran Donaghy didn't have a bad first half in the replayed Munster final if you look at it closely. I'm not sure he won't get the nod for this one.
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Post by kerryman99 on Jul 28, 2015 11:02:01 GMT
Think Gooch and Geaney will come in for Buckley and Donaghy. Buckley isnt playing his best football(but not way off the pace either), and a run as sub won't do him any harm in the long run.
I think Donaghy is playing well considering the terrible ball he got in the 1st Cork game and the conditions in the second game. Agree with above poster that he was looking for runners through the middle when he was getting ball in the LW position.
O'Mahony looks in great nick, but needs minutes, as does Murphy(needs to be careful about black card).
Think we will try a slightly different approach with our attacking play, with Gooch dropping deeper at times and playing the quarterback position.
Have a suspicion that Darran may get some gametime also, but its really only a hunch.
Enright to pick up Kelly? Aidan on Smyth?
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Post by animal on Jul 28, 2015 11:03:26 GMT
Kieran Donaghy didn't have a bad first half in the replayed Munster final if you look at it closely. I'm not sure he won't get the nod for this one. Agree. I felt he did all he could in that first half. His substitution was significant though. For me positions 1 to 9 are unlikely to see a change injuries permitting. We will see a new starter at 10 possibly and on balance I think he might stick with Donaghy.
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Post by peanuts on Jul 28, 2015 12:54:52 GMT
You guys could be right re:my misreading of that line from the black card rules. Probably means the opposite of what I initially thought although it's quite ambiguous. Below is the entire section on suspensions. Suspensions At all levels a Black Card results in a player missing the remainder of the game. Additionally at Senior Inter County Level: 3 x Black Cards = 1 Game suspension 3 x Double Yellow Cards = 1 Game suspension 3 x Yellow followed by a Black Card = 1 Game suspension OR A Combination of all three (totalling 3) = 1 Game suspension Only in senior inter-county league and championship games within the same year. At All Other Levels: 3 x Double Yellows within 48 weeks = 1 game suspension 3 x Yellow followed by a Black card within 48 weeks = 1 game suspension OR A combination of both (totalling 3) within 48 weeks = 1 game suspension The 1 game suspension is applicable to the next game in the Competition in which the third ordering-off occurred at all levels, except Senior inter-county League and Championship.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jul 28, 2015 15:46:17 GMT
Lads gooch has to play no debate about that. We need him if we want to progess this year. Geanny/Gooch/JOD.
Let's see how that FF line clicks.
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Post by wayupnorth on Jul 28, 2015 17:07:42 GMT
You guys could be right re:my misreading of that line from the black card rules. Probably means the opposite of what I initially thought although it's quite ambiguous. Below is the entire section on suspensions. Suspensions At all levels a Black Card results in a player missing the remainder of the game. Additionally at Senior Inter County Level: 3 x Black Cards = 1 Game suspension 3 x Double Yellow Cards = 1 Game suspension 3 x Yellow followed by a Black Card = 1 Game suspension OR A Combination of all three (totalling 3) = 1 Game suspension Only in senior inter-county league and championship games within the same year. At All Other Levels: 3 x Double Yellows within 48 weeks = 1 game suspension 3 x Yellow followed by a Black card within 48 weeks = 1 game suspension OR A combination of both (totalling 3) within 48 weeks = 1 game suspension The 1 game suspension is applicable to the next game in the Competition in which the third ordering-off occurred at all levels, except Senior inter-county League and Championship. Thanks peanuts - think that clears it up. Black cards do carry over but also double yellows. On a worrying note: have we got anyone on a combination eg one black and one double yellow?
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Post by fitz on Jul 28, 2015 18:02:46 GMT
Think Gooch and Geaney will come in for Buckley and Donaghy. Buckley isnt playing his best football(but not way off the pace either), and a run as sub won't do him any harm in the long run. I think Donaghy is playing well considering the terrible ball he got in the 1st Cork game and the conditions in the second game. Agree with above poster that he was looking for runners through the middle when he was getting ball in the LW position. O'Mahony looks in great nick, but needs minutes, as does Murphy(needs to be careful about black card). Think we will try a slightly different approach with our attacking play, with Gooch dropping deeper at times and playing the quarterback position. Have a suspicion that Darran may get some gametime also, but its really only a hunch. Enright to pick up Kelly? Aidan on Smyth? Kelly is lively and one man who could break a line. Murphy looks the right foil for him.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 28, 2015 19:29:20 GMT
Whats the story with Brian Kelly. Is he injured?
Cork didn't test Kealy in the air and some of his miss-hit kickouts could have been disastrous. Kelly is more included to kick it long and I personally am much happier with that. Kealy is a top class shot stopper though.
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Post by gamechanger10 on Jul 28, 2015 20:26:56 GMT
Mickmack I would also like Kelly to get a run in this game, we were just plain poxed lucky on at three occasions when Kealy kicked some ball that could have cost us the game with even a slight pinch of bad luck,,, the conditions would reasonably allow for one of these malfunctions but we rode our luck big time. What about throwing the dice and putting O Donoghue on the forty with Gooch, Donaghy and Geaney inside,, I think that would be a devastating setup for forty minutes or so ? Maybe even longer,, where would the opposition put their sweeper,, probably gathering the Kildare tickets on the terraces ,,
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Post by beantownfan on Jul 28, 2015 20:39:42 GMT
Is Stephen O'Brien now on a black and two yellows? I seem to recall he getting a black card in the league but could be wrong.. In looking at the replay on TV I didn't see what he got his first yellow for? The man seems to get booked a lot, some of it hard luck, some of it a little sloppy in the tackle. I don't think Donaghy will be dropped. I've a feeling Fitz will be keeping a few game plans up his sleeve and will feel that the team that started the MF replay should be able to handle Kildare, with maybe Geaney in for Buckley.. I think the backs will remain the same..
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 28, 2015 21:02:13 GMT
I'd imagine Tommy Walsh and Darran must be bulling for game time at this stage. Mark Griffin will be eager to get back into the match day panel also. Eamonn might through a curve ball and throw in one wild card selection for this game based on how things might be progressing in Fort Knox.
It has the makings of a good game of football. Last Saturday's result will have un "crippled" any hangups Kildare might have harboured due to recent "beatings" from top tier teams.
The first 20 minutes or so could be chaotic and furious if a fresh Kildare with no fear of the occasion hit the traps at pace. If Kerry are anyway ropey it may take some time to grind down the game.
The game should be closer that the recent Dublin mauling of Kildare as Kerry don't have the same explosive range to their game as the Dubs enjoy. On the flip side of that mauling Kildare still managed to score 14 points against Dublin. 14 points and a goal from Kildare would leave this game pretty tight on Sunday. Take away the Dublin goals and that game would read 18 points to 14. Have Kerry the range to their game to score 5 goals at HQ? Kerry journeys in Croker while in transition will be about cutting their cloth to measure.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 28, 2015 21:36:10 GMT
I would love to see Mark Griffin back in the fray. I love his attitude...... in every sense of the word.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 28, 2015 21:39:46 GMT
Would you rather your horse pulling the family trap to be fast strong and controlled or runaway in nature?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 21:55:53 GMT
Mark Griffin will never make it at full back. He's not good enough for that position. He had the whole League there. Maybe try him at no.6 but I doubt it will happen this year. Pa Kilkenny is in the same boat in my opinion. Both of them struggled in the League this year and I think that is why they are not getting a look in. I would love to see Cooper starting as well but I think he will go with the same team and give them 30 minutes to see how things are going. If they are winning well i would like to see Tommy Walsh getting some time to test him out.
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Post by inchperfect on Jul 28, 2015 22:00:38 GMT
I would love to see Mark Griffin back in the fray. I love his attitude...... in every sense of the word. The first time I looked at him I thought 'great, here's the natural full back we've haven't produced for so long', because of his build, but I can't remember 1 game where he's impressed me. Maybe you can think of one but I think his poor performances certainly outweigh his good ones.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 28, 2015 22:07:03 GMT
On a horses for courses basis... I would like to see Griffin given a shot at CHB in the Liam Flaherty/Tim Kennelly furrow
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Post by smokey on Jul 28, 2015 22:13:19 GMT
Stephen O'Brien got a black card in the last league game against Tyrone. If I remember rightly he hand tripped someone.
He really impressed me in his first few games for Kerry but he hasn’t kicked on or appears to be learning anything. Against the better teams he seems to just run into the traffic and loses possession very easily. He has an awful habit of soloing/hopping the ball when going into contact and isn’t set to protect the ball and loses it. He needs to time his solos/hops better. He seems to seek contact with an opponent rather than using his pace to run around them.
It has come to the stage where I don’t think I’d trust him in a tight game. He was acting the maggot as soon as he came on in the replay, kicking the ball away when Cork tried to take a kick out and got involved with a Cork player when the ball went over the sideline (I think he got booked for that but not sure). He’s picking up sloppy cards (I think it could be a similar enough story to Paul Galvin in 2004, when Jack dropped him because he didn’t trust his game discipline).
I’d be slow enough giving him any minutes if a game is in the melting pot because of his sloppy discipline and the way that he loses possession way too easily.
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