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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 26, 2015 22:53:09 GMT
That was Kildare's biggest victory (in terms of the reputation of the team they beat) since the Leinster final of 2000.
They beat Westmeath in 2005 and Meath a couple of times... that is it. A massive win for them and a shocking loss for Cork.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 26, 2015 22:58:58 GMT
from PUNDIT ARENA
While James O’ Donoghue may have been inexplicably awarded Man of the Match at the end of Kerry’s Munster Final Replay victory over Cork on Saturday night, it was quite clear that the man who had been the most influential figure of the game was David Moran.
In what was at times a quite torrid affair in frankly horrendous conditions, the Tralee native’s performance showed the leadership, dominance and skill which many have come to expect from him. It has been a long and often seemingly unlikely rise for Moran who has now firmly established himself as arguably the finest midfielder in the country.
When Darragh Ó Sé finally hung up his boots in 2009, after a colossal fifteen-year career, David Moran seemed the obvious heir apparent. Moran, like Ó Sé, came from a family steeped in footballing tradition, being the son of eight-time All Ireland champion Ogie.
While still only 21 years of age and having made just cameo appearances in the previous two championship campaigns many felt they had seen enough to feel that the role of Kerry’s midfield leader seemed to be in safe hands. However, as is often the way in sport, things did not pan out the way the Kingdom faithful were hoping.
Moran struggled for first team action throughout Kerry’s disappointing 2010 Championship campaign, with Micheál Quirke, Anthony Maher and Seamus Scanlon vying for the midfield berth. From here on, things were only going to get worse for the Kerins O’ Rahillys man as a series of career-threatening injuries coincided with Kerry’s longest All Ireland drought since 1997.
Moran’s first setback occurred in a National League game against Monaghan in 2011 when, as is often the case, an innocuous challenge left him with a torn cruciate ligament. Little under a year later, he suffered the same injury, in the same knee, while training with his club in Tralee. Just like that, two years of his career were gone without even a ball being kicked in the Championship.
To compile matters, after making his comeback from two serious knee injuries, Moran suffered a freak injury in the build up to the 2013 Championship, tearing the retina in his right eye. It was starting to seem like luck was just not on his side. However, undeterred, he finally made his Championship return as a late sub in the epic 2013 semi-final loss to Dublin. It had been over three years since his previous Championship appearance.
Moran’s injury absence may or may not have had any bearing on Kerry’s five-year All Ireland drought, we will never know. But there is no doubting that his emergence as the Kingdom’s primary midfielder has had an enormous bearing on the team’s return to Championship contention. While a lot of the media attention last year rightly focused on Kieran Donaghy’s resurgence as being a key aspect of Kerry winning their 37th All Ireland, Moran’s influence seemed to go under the radar somewhat.
It is worth remembering that at this stage last year Moran was not in the first team, and had it not been for Bryan Sheehan suffering an injury in the quarter-final against Galway, he may have remained a substitute for the remainder of the year. It is rather ironic that Moran, a man whose career was so blighted by injury, got his break because of the misfortune of one of his teammates.
Moran replaced Sheehan in that quarter-final and has dominated ever since.
His performance in the All Ireland Semi-Final replay against Mayo was astounding. Facing a much vaunted Mayo midfield, Moran put on a master class clocking up 47 possessions; more than double that of any opposition player. His fielding ability, kicking accuracy and athleticism shone for the first time since he had been signalled out to fill the boots of the great Darragh five years previously.
Moran continued his emergence as a crucial player in the All Ireland Final where Kerry outmuscled Donegal and he secured his 2nd All Ireland medal along with a first All Star selection later that year.
It became clear in last Saturday’s replay with Cork that the turnaround in the drawn game a fortnight previously had not solely been down to the Rebel’s Alan O’ Connor taking over proceedings, as many analysts claimed, but rather it was Kerry losing Moran to a black card which had a greater effect on the outcome.
Cork may missed their chance or perhaps Kerry had a lucky escape. Either way, Moran’s dominance in the second outing, ably abetted by Anthony Maher, ensured there would be no repeat performance this time around.
Six years on from the retirement of one of the all-time greats, Kerry have finally found a willing and able replacement. There can be little doubt at this stage that David Moran is the heir to Darragh Ó Sé’s throne.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 26, 2015 23:05:24 GMT
Relegation in successive seasons under the current manager and a flogging from Dublin in this and last year's Leinster championship. How much more scrutiny is required? The recent Dublin game is the only game that fits under your description of "beatings".
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Post by fitz on Jul 27, 2015 0:08:45 GMT
Relegation in successive seasons under the current manager and a flogging from Dublin in this and last year's Leinster championship. How much more scrutiny is required? The recent Dublin game is the only game that fits under your description of "beatings". So, I'm taking it that you are highlighting that my analysis of Kildare is over the top?. In 2014 Kildare lost to Meath in the semi by 5 points conceding 2-16. Meath were annihilated by 16 points in final. In 2013, Dublin beat Kildare by 16 points in the final. Kildare haven't won a big game in many years. Close a couple of times but always losing. Anyway, not trying to be funny but what's your angle beyond challenging my assertions? What do you see in Kildare?
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Post by kaiser on Jul 27, 2015 2:00:07 GMT
A Kildare team in transition gets relegated. A Kerry team in transition can still win the All Ireland. Kildare are coming out of their transition. They are at about where they were in 2008 in my view We're far superior to Kildare and if we don't beat them, we need a serious rethink. I hope we struggle to win by a point or two and head into a semi-final under the radar (as far as it goes for reigning champions) against Monaghan/An Other.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 27, 2015 8:14:02 GMT
The recent Dublin game is the only game that fits under your description of "beatings". So, I'm taking it that you are highlighting that my analysis of Kildare is over the top?. In 2014 Kildare lost to Meath in the semi by 5 points conceding 2-16. Meath were annihilated by 16 points in final. In 2013, Dublin beat Kildare by 16 points in the final. Kildare haven't won a big game in many years. Close a couple of times but always losing. Anyway, not trying to be funny but what's your angle beyond challenging my assertions? What do you see in Kildare? So are 90% of the county teams in the country, that also happen to lose to the top tier counties "crippled mentally"? Or are they just playing to their ability with what they have? Incidental, Meath losing heavily to Dublin has no relevance to your assertions/assumptions regarding Kildare taking "beatings". My angle on Kildare, they will be a much better team than the Cavan team Kerry looked poor against in 2013 at the same stage and probably the Galway team Kerry beat last year.
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Post by keane on Jul 27, 2015 8:33:59 GMT
As many of the beatings Kildare took over the years were to Cork as to Dublin so not really sure what the last day says about their lasting impact.
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Post by fitz on Jul 27, 2015 9:46:44 GMT
So, I'm taking it that you are highlighting that my analysis of Kildare is over the top?. In 2014 Kildare lost to Meath in the semi by 5 points conceding 2-16. Meath were annihilated by 16 points in final. In 2013, Dublin beat Kildare by 16 points in the final. Kildare haven't won a big game in many years. Close a couple of times but always losing. Anyway, not trying to be funny but what's your angle beyond challenging my assertions? What do you see in Kildare? So are 90% of the county teams in the country, that also happen to lose to the top tier counties "crippled mentally"? Or are they just playing to their ability with what they have? Incidental, Meath losing heavily to Dublin has no relevance to your assertions/assumptions regarding Kildare taking "beatings". My angle on Kildare, they will be a much better team than the Cavan team Kerry looked poor against in 2013 at the same stage and probably the Galway team Kerry beat last year. Re: Meath the relevance is that they would have without question shipped another hiding had they not shipped 2-16 to a useless Meath outfit, so they were only demolished 2/3 seasons. The win over Cork is the only evidence that they might have anything to offer. One game in 5 years of anonymity?. That Cork team had given up after they left Killarney. Kildare are serial losers. In my view regardless of personnel changes since McGeeney those that came in have arrived to the same atmosphere of defeat, and I don't see any stand out talent emerging in their ranks. O'Flatharta, Kelly and Bolton are decent. I just can't understand any argument for their chances. This is Kerry team is again in my view a lot further down the road than in 2013. As for Galway they gave Mayo a decent game this year so maybe last year's quarter wasn't such a bad yardstick.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 27, 2015 10:21:02 GMT
Kildare are hugely competitive at their own level and are not serial losers but happen to play in the same province as a run away Dublin team. This creates an anomaly in their performance stats.
Six quarter final appearances from eight seasons are not the stats of serial losers. 90% of the weaker counties would be happy with those stats. Kildare operate somewhere in between what are termed the weaker counties and the top tier three or four All-Ireland contenders.
Your point that they do not consistently, or at all, beat the top tier teams in the championship is factual.
I doubt you'll find anyone who thinks Kildare will beat Kerry in the quarter final at the weekend.
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Post by asithappens on Jul 27, 2015 10:27:16 GMT
The last time Kerry played Kildare in the Championship was 13 years ago today - Saturday 27th July 2002 in Round 4 of the Qualifiers in Thurles. Kerry won 2-10 to 1-05.
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Post by Jigz84 on Jul 27, 2015 10:34:20 GMT
Eoin Brosnan goal in 2002 game.
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Post by givehimaball on Jul 27, 2015 11:30:53 GMT
A Kildare team in transition gets relegated. A Kerry team in transition can still win the All Ireland. Kildare are coming out of their transition. They are at about where they were in 2008 in my view Kildare are very much a team in transition - they have lost a serious chunk of experienced players Kildare's results this year Kildare 1-15 Down 3-13 Meath 0-13 Kildare 0-11 Kildare 0-12 Westmeath 0-15 Cavan 0-14 Kildare 2-13 Kildare 2-12 Roscommon 0-24 Laois 1-09 Kildare 1-12 Galway 3-12 v Kildare 1-12 League P7 W2 L5 Scored 7-87 Conceded 7-100 Laois 0-16 Kildare 0-16 Laois 1-11 Kildare 3-18 Dublin 5-18 Kildare 0-14 Offaly 1-13 Kildare 1-15 Longford 0-11 Kildare 2-24 Cork 1-13 Kildare 1-21 In the drawn game against Laois it could very easily have gone either way and in the replay it was even until half-time but Laois utterly collapsed in the 2nd half. Less said about the Dublin game the better. Has to be said looking at the draw it looks like it has been pretty kind to them (until now ) Offaly had beaten Waterford after losing to Longford in their first round game. It was a nice one to recover from the Dublin ordeal. Longford who also got a beating off Dublin, got past Carlow and a Clare side decimated by injury before having a disaster of day. Cork were woeful [0-6 from play]
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Post by Hicser on Jul 27, 2015 11:43:44 GMT
Does anyone know who would meet the winners of Kerry v Kildare in the semis. At this stage could it be any one of Galway, Tyrone, Sligo, Donegal or Monahan?
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 27, 2015 12:08:33 GMT
The point being missed here is that Kildare scored 14 points against the much-vaunted Dubs and 21 points against Cork. That is not bad scoring.
Kerry can look very ordinary when they play poorly or are not on top at midfield. The most recent example was against Cork in the drawn game and much of Kerry's last three years in the NFL fall into this category.
While they won't lose this tie Kerry need to guard against producing a sloppy display such as the drawn Munster final.
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Post by buck02 on Jul 27, 2015 12:54:07 GMT
Does anyone know who would meet the winners of Kerry v Kildare in the semis. At this stage could it be any one of Galway, Tyrone, Sligo, Donegal or Monahan? If we win next weekend we play the winners of the Monaghan v R4 winner quarter final. You must assume Tyrone will beat Sligo. So the way I see it is that if Donegal beat Galway, they play Mayo in quarter final and its Monaghan v Tyrone. If Galway beat Donegal, it'll be Monaghan v Galway and Mayo will play Tyrone. So at this stage, it'll be either Monaghan, Tyrone or Galway at our side in the semi final.
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Post by glengael on Jul 27, 2015 14:17:53 GMT
Details confirmed for weekend
Sunday
All-Ireland senior football quarter-finals Kerry v Kildare, Croke Park, 2pm Dublin v Fermanagh, Croke Park, 4pm
Electric Ireland All-Ireland minor football quarter-finals Kerry v Sligo, O’Connor Park, Tullamore, 2pm Galway v Tipperary, O’Connor Park, Tullamore, 4pm
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Post by onlykerry on Jul 27, 2015 14:30:15 GMT
Pity that they could not put the minor game on Sunday at 12 - Did the Ed Sheeran concerts put too much pressure on the pitch? Would have thought Ennis or Limerick would have been better venues for this double header.
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Post by G_S_J on Jul 27, 2015 14:32:31 GMT
Might catch the minors on the way back on Monday, but I'm carrying a passenger who's not exactly the greatest sports fan in the world so it might take some coaxing.
I wonder will this nearly sell out? We can probably expect a big contingent from Kildare along with 50,000 or so Dubs, Fermanagh will be out in force as well. It's pretty safe to assume we'll bring the smallest following, can't imagine too many travelling up for this although Kildare being the opponents has made it slightly more attractive than it could have been.
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Post by jackiel on Jul 27, 2015 14:33:20 GMT
Nothing to do with Ed Sheeran I'm sure. Two matches the day before might be a consideration though. It would mean that you'd have a very early start to be in for the minor and staff and stewards would also have to be on duty early after only leaving at 9 or 10 the previous night.
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Post by asithappens on Jul 27, 2015 14:47:08 GMT
Pity that they could not put the minor game on Sunday at 12 - Did the Ed Sheeran concerts put too much pressure on the pitch? Would have thought Ennis or Limerick would have been better venues for this double header. The Kildare minors won the Leinster Championship and were probably looking for the same arrangement when they play Cavan. That game is on in Navan at 6.30 on Saturday evening.
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Post by asithappens on Jul 27, 2015 14:51:18 GMT
Nothing to do with Ed Sheeran I'm sure. Two matches the day before might be a consideration though. It would mean that you'd have a very early start to be in for the minor and staff and stewards would also have to be on duty early after only leaving at 9 or 10 the previous night. There was 3 games played in Thurles the day before the Munster Hurling Final - not something I would have agreed with. After Cork played Kildare on Saturday evening there was 2 games in Thurles last Sunday before Cork played Galway and the goalmouths were fairly chewed up by the time both keepers took their positions for the final game.
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Post by onlykerry on Jul 27, 2015 15:05:35 GMT
Pity that they could not put the minor game on Sunday at 12 - Did the Ed Sheeran concerts put too much pressure on the pitch? Would have thought Ennis or Limerick would have been better venues for this double header. The Kildare minors won the Leinster Championship and were probably looking for the same arrangement when they play Cavan. That game is on in Navan at 6.30 on Saturday evening. They have run three matches on the same day on several occasions - the added wear and tear on the pitch from the two concerts certainly was a consideration from what I hear. Either way, Tullamore is a poor choice from several points of view. Agree with comments on Thurles goalmouths - for a venue touted as one of the best the condition of the goalmouth areas leaves a lot to be desired.
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Post by fealeside on Jul 27, 2015 16:11:49 GMT
Tullamore certainly isn't ideal but hopefully the minors might get a few more there to watch them with people travelling home from Dublin. I assume ticket distribution will be as normal, super value etc
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Post by davocon on Jul 27, 2015 17:07:49 GMT
Match Betting: 1/7 Kerry 14/1 A Draw 6/1 Kildare Handicap Betting: Kerry (-6) 10/11 H-Cap Draw (-6) 11/1 Kildare (+6) Evens Crazy odds for a two horse race!!
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Post by Chinatown on Jul 27, 2015 18:00:51 GMT
Crowds will start to build during second half adding to the ocassion...
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Post by southward on Jul 27, 2015 18:41:21 GMT
Am I right in saying that Paul Murphy is under threat of suspension if he picks up another black card here? If so, might we gamble on doing without him the next day?
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Post by A.N. Other on Jul 27, 2015 18:49:17 GMT
Story with tickets lads? The ones on tickets.ie arent great will there will be a public sale in Stacks park has anyone heard??
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Post by jackiel on Jul 27, 2015 19:06:01 GMT
Story with tickets lads? The ones on tickets.ie arent great will there will be a public sale in Stacks park has anyone heard?? Have you tried Super Valu/Centra - I've found that sometimes they have better tickets than ones that came through the county board. No commission charge.
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Post by wayupnorth on Jul 27, 2015 19:26:58 GMT
Am I right in saying that Paul Murphy is under threat of suspension if he picks up another black card here? If so, might we gamble on doing without him the next day? Paul picked up two black cards in the League so if he gets another it will mean automatic suspension for the next game. Don't know about not playing him though because it would be better for him to pick one up here than in the semi and go on to miss the final. As a thought, a cynical player with two blacks early on in the league might deliberately pick up another as soon as possible to avoid the suspension at a more crucial stage? Or is there another rule that covers that possibility?
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Post by givehimaball on Jul 27, 2015 20:31:11 GMT
As a thought, a cynical player with two blacks early on in the league might deliberately pick up another as soon as possible to avoid the suspension at a more crucial stage? Or is there another rule that covers that possibility? There's no rule to cover this - Michael Murphy picked up a third in the Tyrone game in the league and missed the Mayo league game as a result. The third black card Murphy picked up was in the 59th minute and was for a pull-down of Sean Cavanagh.
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