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Post by glengael on Jul 2, 2015 11:18:28 GMT
Quick question, just want to check, if ends in draw it is a straight replay ie no extra time. Is that correct? Interesting question but as it's a Final, I presume it may well be a replay. Can't see anything in Munster GAA website about it.
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Post by backofthenet on Jul 2, 2015 11:38:15 GMT
Quick question, just want to check, if ends in draw it is a straight replay ie no extra time. Is that correct? Straight to a replay, which will be played in the same venue most likely on the following Saturday!
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 2, 2015 11:44:18 GMT
20,000 x €25 = 500k = replay. Simple calculation. €€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€s
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Post by hugh20 on Jul 2, 2015 11:46:30 GMT
Quick question, just want to check, if ends in draw it is a straight replay ie no extra time. Is that correct? This is correct, with the replay also taking place in Killarney due to the redevelopment of Pairc Ui Chaoimh. Tommy Walsh going well in training but may miss out narrowly. JOD to come in for BJK or PGeaney, the latter more probable going on training. Gooch might miss out with a workhorse to come in either S O Brien or perhaps Donnchadh. F Fitzgerald pushing for a starting place after coming into a bit of form.
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Post by hugh20 on Jul 2, 2015 11:49:55 GMT
20,000 x €25 = 500k = replay. Simple calculation. €€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€s Fitzgerald Stadium holds 43,000 I think??
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Post by givehimaball on Jul 2, 2015 12:11:28 GMT
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 2, 2015 12:15:47 GMT
20,000 x €25 = 500k = replay. Simple calculation. €€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€s Fitzgerald Stadium holds 43,000 I think?? Replayed games though are generally attended by smaller crowds.
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Post by backofthenet on Jul 2, 2015 12:19:22 GMT
Tommy Walsh going well in training but may miss out narrowly. JOD to come in for BJK or PGeaney, the latter more probable going on training. Gooch might miss out with a workhorse to come in either S O Brien or perhaps Donnchadh. F Fitzgerald pushing for a starting place after coming into a bit of form.[/quote]
I would be very disappointed if Gooch is left out, he would surely be included ahead of M Geaney or Buckley who started against Tipp. Tommy W would be a questionable inclusion based on his performances to date.
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Post by hugh20 on Jul 2, 2015 12:24:58 GMT
Fitzgerald Stadium holds 43,000 I think?? Replayed games though are generally attended by smaller crowds. Yes, you are right.
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Post by hugh20 on Jul 2, 2015 12:30:01 GMT
Tommy Walsh going well in training but may miss out narrowly. JOD to come in for BJK or PGeaney, the latter more probable going on training. Gooch might miss out with a workhorse to come in either S O Brien or perhaps Donnchadh. F Fitzgerald pushing for a starting place after coming into a bit of form. I would be very disappointed if Gooch is left out, he would surely be included ahead of M Geaney or Buckley who started against Tipp. Tommy W would be a questionable inclusion based on his performances to date. [/quote] I'm not so sure I would agree, Gooch is coming back from a major double injury and it was always likely that this year he would only feature occasionally. Johnny Buckley has been one of our most consistent performers of the last 2-3 years, although he was very poor against Tipp, and M Geaney may well be in jeopardy of losing his position anyway despite his very good performance against Tipp. It's all up in the air and I would say there are about 6-7 players guaranteed their place if fully fit.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 2, 2015 13:04:48 GMT
Anyone taking a punt on the first 15 and the scoreline for Sunday's game?
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Post by G_S_J on Jul 2, 2015 13:14:09 GMT
Very cheeky considering the standard of ticket the season ticket holders were allocated. It seems, they were happy to give season ticket holders the dregs knowing they will use their tickets, then give the rest out to clubs and sponsors and what they don't use would be put on public sale.
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Post by hugh20 on Jul 2, 2015 13:15:57 GMT
Anyone taking a punt on the first 15 and the scoreline for Sunday's game? I'll go for it. Kealy Enright Griffin O Se Lyne Crowley Young Moran Maher Buckley Sheehan O'Brien BJK Donaghy JOD Fionn, Gooch, 2 Geaneys, Tommy and Donnchadh Walsh to narrowly miss out. Kerry to win on a scoreline of 2-17 to 2-15.
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Post by kerryexile on Jul 2, 2015 13:28:05 GMT
It is almost impossible to predict the team that will be announced this evening. There are probably a few different combinations that would be equally good but Eamonn has to go for the particular combination that will deliver the tactics he wants. Also there are often one or two players that flourish with the drier sod and show dramatic improvement from their league form.
One thing though that I think will influence Eamonn’s selection will be the possibility, or more likely probability, of meeting Donegal or Dublin later. He will not give either of them the opportunity of seeing the machine in full throttle. So some threats will not be revealed. One such threat is the combination of Colm and J O’D. This applied for the semi when Colm got the nod. I expect J O’ to get the nod this time with Colm on the bench. Also one of Maher, Moran and Sheehan – a potential midfield fortress - may well be on the bench.
I don’t expect any surprises in defence – this is an area of continuous development. Some very good players but finding a way to minimize some overall weaknesses is the aim.
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Post by lár na páirce on Jul 2, 2015 13:40:26 GMT
Anyone taking a punt on the first 15 and the scoreline for Sunday's game? Kealy Murphy Marc O Sé Enright Lyne Crowley Killian Maher Moran Mikey - Working Back Deep Sheehan Gooch J'OD Paul Geaney Barry John Kerry 2-12 Cork 2-10
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Post by animal on Jul 2, 2015 13:51:31 GMT
Very hard to predict this team. The few lads who were injured for the Tipp match are back but we don't know the form. I'd be happier with Mahony in the full back line. That man won't let you down against Cork. Paul Murphy may return but at whose cost I just don't know. Gooch played the full 70 minutes against Tipp. I think that means he will start. Whatever about revealing hands to Dublin or Donegal This is a game that has to be won first and foremost. That means having your best players on the field. Last summer's result was an anomaly. An enjoyable anomaly but an anomaly nonetheless. There is seldom more than 3 or 4 points between these two teams especially in Killarney. It could be that BJK and Paul Geaney are the unlucky ones making room for a worker in the half forward line as much as for Gooch and James. You could have Gooch at 13 but playing deeper like James did against Donegal.
Kealey Marc Mahony Enright / Murphy Lyne Crowley Young Maher Moran O'Brien Sheahan Buckley Gooch Donaghy James
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Post by givehimaball on Jul 2, 2015 13:55:28 GMT
Very cheeky considering the standard of ticket the season ticket holders were allocated. It seems, they were happy to give season ticket holders the dregs knowing they will use their tickets, then give the rest out to clubs and sponsors and what they don't use would be put on public sale. Yup - the attitude to the season ticket holder seems to be well we've already got your money so you'll take what you're given.
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Post by givehimaball on Jul 2, 2015 13:58:09 GMT
Kelly Murphy Mahony Enright Lyne Crowley Young Maher Moran D Walsh Buckley Gooch P Geaney T Walsh James
2-12 1-10
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Post by animal on Jul 2, 2015 13:58:46 GMT
Very cheeky considering the standard of ticket the season ticket holders were allocated. It seems, they were happy to give season ticket holders the dregs knowing they will use their tickets, then give the rest out to clubs and sponsors and what they don't use would be put on public sale. Yup - the attitude to the season ticket holder seems to be well we've already got your money so you'll take what you're given. I also know that the County Board are not fond of the Season Ticket. They would much rather see us buying into their scheme. Well, lads, sorry!
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Post by Jigz84 on Jul 2, 2015 14:03:41 GMT
Yup - the attitude to the season ticket holder seems to be well we've already got your money so you'll take what you're given. I also know that the County Board are not fond of the Season Ticket. They would much rather see us buying into their scheme. Well, lads, sorry! If they committed to improving the stand in Killarney then I'd consider it. It's easily one of the worst in the country, just behind the Mackey Stand in Limerick IMO.
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Post by Jigz84 on Jul 2, 2015 14:15:09 GMT
Kealy, Marc, Griffin, Enright, Lyne, Crowley, Young, Maher, Sheehan, O'Brien, Gooch, Buckley, BJ Keane, Donaghy, Geaney.
Murphy, Donnchadh, Aidan, Moran, JOD and Walsh to appear.
Don't understand how lads are leaving Paul Geaney out of their 15. He's a constant scoring threat, can win his own ball, and provides another long ball option.
Kerry 1-16 Cork 1-11
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Post by dabomber on Jul 2, 2015 14:22:40 GMT
Anyone taking a punt on the first 15 and the scoreline for Sunday's game? 1. Kealy 2. Murphy 3. O'Se 4. Enright 5. Lyne 6. Crowley 7. Young 8. Maher 9. Moran 10. Geaney 11. Sheehan 12. Buckley 13. O'Donoghue 14. Gooch 15. Geaney
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Post by hugh20 on Jul 2, 2015 14:43:06 GMT
Kealy, Marc, Griffin, Enright, Lyne, Crowley, Young, Maher, Sheehan, O'Brien, Gooch, Buckley, BJ Keane, Donaghy, Geaney. Murphy, Donnchadh, Aidan, Moran, JOD and Walsh to appear. Don't understand how lads are leaving Paul Geaney out of their 15. He's a constant scoring threat, can win his own ball, and provides another long ball option. Kerry 1-16 Cork 1-11 I don't think people are leaving PGeaney out because they believe that he isn't good enough, I think people are naming the team that they think will start. I left both Geaney and Gooch out of my team because I believe they may not start, but if you ask me are they good enough to start? Of course they are.
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Post by Jigz84 on Jul 2, 2015 14:48:58 GMT
Kealy, Marc, Griffin, Enright, Lyne, Crowley, Young, Maher, Sheehan, O'Brien, Gooch, Buckley, BJ Keane, Donaghy, Geaney. Murphy, Donnchadh, Aidan, Moran, JOD and Walsh to appear. Don't understand how lads are leaving Paul Geaney out of their 15. He's a constant scoring threat, can win his own ball, and provides another long ball option. Kerry 1-16 Cork 1-11 I don't think people are leaving PGeaney out because they believe that he isn't good enough, I think people are naming the team that they think will start. I left both Geaney and Gooch out of my team because I believe they may not start, but if you ask me are they good enough to start? Of course they are. Yea but what's the reason for him not starting? Do people think he's off form or going badly in training or what? Just curious. I can understand Gooch not starting for obvious reasons.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 2, 2015 14:49:21 GMT
Making a case for the Cork footballers By Kevin McStay | Updated: Thursday, 02 Jul 2015 15:02
The simple analysis points to a Kerry win. The Munster and All Ireland champions, playing at home in Fitzgerald Stadium, a venue that in recent years means a Kerry win, will just have too much for a Cork team still dazed by the league final pummelling they received from Dublin.
I believe much of this week’s analysis is flawed and many pundits are repeatedly pointing to the 2015 league and last year’s provincial and All Ireland series to draw conclusions about Sunday’s game. The smart approach is to treat this year’s decider as a one-off game where, despite the clichéd nature of the summary, it really will all depend on the little incidents and accidents of a Munster final day. Let’s look at last year’s provincial decider. Cork approached it in good form, beaten semi-finalists in the 2014 Allianz League facing a Kerry team who stumbled and almost fell but ended up in sixth place. And before the Kingdom ran off with all the 2014 championship silverware, Cork at home actually looked a good bet to win Munster. Final score? Kerry trounced them, winning by 12 points.
The spring campaign did not matter to Kerry. It was a shocking display by the Rebels, but a key conductor for the victors that day was the brilliant Declan O’Sullivan – who is now retired. What is also forgotten is that Cork recovered from that defeat, won their Round 4 qualifier and almost caught Mayo at the post. Few seem to recall the final scoreline of Mayo 1-19 Cork 2-16 - a single point loss. And this season Cork marched majestically through the league, topping the table while Kerry, again, staggered in at sixth which means they just avoided relegation or missed out on a semi-final place on scoring difference. It always depends on the angle you want to take. But the league did not matter to them. Early in that league campaign they played each other and Cork ran out very easy winners (much like their 2014 league encounter). It is safe to say that the Green and Gold are a law all on to themselves when it comes to league versus championship form. If you contrast the teams that played last spring with the selections in the opening championship games this year it becomes obvious that the scoreline and result hardly matters at all and that in reality, there are no eternal truths to take from it. Kerry had six different starters versus Tipp while Cork had eight for their win over Clare. New lines and partnerships everywhere.
The problem with Cork remains their ‘no-show’ performances and displays that sometimes look like a total lack of interest. How else do you analyse last year’s Munster final and this year’s Division 1 final? And yet you have to imagine they were trying. So, what goes wrong when Cork goes wrong? For me their defence remains suspect and the moving of Eoin Cadogan to midfield is a factor. Though topping the league table, Cork had the second highest concession total (111 points) in the top flight. But guess who had the worst? Yep – Kerry trumped them with 117 points conceded! Cork are average enough at midfield too – hence the Cadogan move and Alan O’Connor getting a recall. But the Rebels’ Achilles heel is their lack of consistency in games, often going to sleep for long periods and only deciding to play when the game is busted. Their concentration levels, the type required to really go toe-to-toe with Kerry, have not been in evidence in the big games they’ve played this past 18 months. Kerry have stuff to ponder too. A lack of anticipated game time for Tommy Walsh, James O’Donoghue and Colm Cooper means they arrive at the final unsure of form and match fitness. Kerry are not settled on a starting 15 yet - not by a long shot - and this final is the first step, a most important step, in starting that process.
They must hope that Kieran Donaghy checks into the ball game in the same form he checked out last September and if he does they will be well down the road to success. If he does not, then Tommy Walsh will just have to step up and for now, even the Kerry management are unsure if that is likely. Their league was average to poor but they know that has not mattered before. But Kerry’s defence has work to do also and no doubt both camps have spent the past few months trying to tidy up this area. So, here I am again, making a case for the Cork footballers. How often in the past have we done this only to be proven badly wrong by the men from Kerry? Yet I still believe in the character of young sportsmen to collectively agree ‘enough is enough’ and I fully expect to see Cork produce a massive effort. If they don’t perform on Sunday I would see little future for them in the championship beyond the quarter-finals. Ultimately, it is unlikely to be enough as Kerry have so many excellent footballers to call on, are well experienced in combating the various systems modern opposition teams will roll out and so they get my vote to win. The confidence Kerry have in their ability is unmatched nationally and has been hard-earned these past few years. It will be the difference between victory and defeat. But we are talking a couple of points and no more than that. And if the game is tight we can’t be surprised if Cork actually snatch a late win.
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Post by animal on Jul 2, 2015 15:22:58 GMT
I don't think people are leaving PGeaney out because they believe that he isn't good enough, I think people are naming the team that they think will start. I left both Geaney and Gooch out of my team because I believe they may not start, but if you ask me are they good enough to start? Of course they are. Yea but what's the reason for him not starting? Do people think he's off form or going badly in training or what? Just curious. I can understand Gooch not starting for obvious reasons. If all are fit I feel that Gooch and James have to start. Donaghy I think will start (being captain does carry some weight albeit not enoough for Leary last year) but would I prefer Paul Geaney instead? Perhaps. Not a whole pile in it. I have Gooch at 13 purely as I think they will accommodate Sheahan on the 40. That does not restrict Gooch to the corner but merely gets him on the pitch where he should be. It seems to me that the need for grafters (not meant as an insult) in the half forwards while accommodating either Moran or Sheahan there means that two of Gooch, James, Donaghy, Geaney, BJK will lose out in the inside line. It will be a close call and sure we are all calling this one blind anyway.
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Post by hugh20 on Jul 2, 2015 15:52:06 GMT
I don't think people are leaving PGeaney out because they believe that he isn't good enough, I think people are naming the team that they think will start. I left both Geaney and Gooch out of my team because I believe they may not start, but if you ask me are they good enough to start? Of course they are. Yea but what's the reason for him not starting? Do people think he's off form or going badly in training or what? Just curious. I can understand Gooch not starting for obvious reasons. He does not seem to be his usual self in training supposedly and Eamonn Fitzmaurice has never shirked a big decision. Like people have already mentioned, it is close to impossible to try and select the correct team unless you are actually involved in the setup. Personally, there could be 5-6 switches from the team that I think it may be and it would not surprise me.
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Post by fealeside on Jul 2, 2015 15:58:45 GMT
Cork will be very hard to put away on Sunday. They will be chomping at the bit and are seriously wounded from last year. Kerry will have to treat this like a knock-out game in order to get through. Concentration will have to be 110% against the Cork forwards who are very speedy. Personally I would nearly change the whole full-back line as I don't feel the 3 that started against Tipp are up to it. One could argue that Enright had a stormer last year but I think it's only a matter of time before he is badly found out. He is just not tight enough imo. It is a massive ask for Marc to go again this year and I just hope he hasn't made a boo boo by staying on. However, I do think that Eamonn has massive trust in these fellas and will go with something similar to the last day. For the record, this would be my team to play Cork:
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Murphy, O'Mahoney, Fitzgerald Lyne, Crowley, Young
Maher, Moran
Sheehan, Cooper, M Geaney JO'D, Donaghy, P Geaney
Buckley, Donnacha, BJK, Darran, Marc, T Walsh etc...there would be a serious bench there to pull us through and we will need it
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Post by boots on Jul 2, 2015 16:34:31 GMT
Maher & Gooch the biggest names of many to lose out apparently
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Post by ballybunion on Jul 2, 2015 16:51:37 GMT
Firstly this game has to be won and I would expect that you win by having your best players on the field.I hope the management get it right but rumour is very high in Tralee this evening that there will be 'bombshells'by nine o clock tonight with some 'fortress'players being on sideline at match start time.I understand all about it being a 25 man team now but... look lets wait until 9pm.
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