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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jun 22, 2015 21:41:18 GMT
Funny that nobody anywhere seems at all upset about the embarrassing demolitions handed out over the weekend. No calls for unfair advantages to be curtailed? For resourses to be shared? For counties to be split? No weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth at the injustice of it all, at the plight of the poor disadvantaged, the doomed welfare of the games and the association as we know it?
Marty Morrisson, who recently commentated on a game where one team was far advanced of another, and made statements like "this isn't what we want to see", and "nobody takes any enjoyment from this", and "surely something will have to be done about this by the GAA", then commentated on the massacre in Nolan Park yesterday, of a traditional power in hurling, a team supposedly on the way up, with ne'r a concern in the world. No, his defining comments, in between oohs, ahhs and other exclamations of joy, were "magnificent, wonderful, awesome" and so on. In the end he and his co-commentator were purring like cats at what they had seen.
Fine wrishty commentating and analysis on RTE these days.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 22, 2015 21:59:34 GMT
Despite all the resources thrown at Dublin hurling by the GAA, it doesn't seem to be bearing fruit. That said, if they get Peter Kelly back and tighten up at the back, they can still have a big say in 2015. Ger Cunningham was shockingly naïve against Galway against the wind. The parachuting in off Darragh Connell ahead of others who have trained all winter may have caused a morale problem. Darragh looked well able for this level against Galway though.
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 22, 2015 22:11:08 GMT
At least they operate home and away arrangements in the Leinster hurling championship. There is no comparison between urban Dublin and rural Kilkenny.
Having said that the Leinster hurling championship would be in a poorer state without the inclusion of Galway. Offaly and Wexford have left the stage. Dublin are struggling to get consistency into their game despite huge inputs into hurling in the Capital.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jun 23, 2015 8:55:38 GMT
Despite all the resources thrown at Dublin hurling by the GAA, it doesn't seem to be bearing fruit. That said, if they get Peter Kelly back and tighten up at the back, they can still have a big say in 2015. Ger Cunningham was shockingly naïve against Galway against the wind. The parachuting in off Darragh Connell ahead of others who have trained all winter may have caused a morale problem. Darragh looked well able for this level against Galway though. Darragh O'Connell was one of the better players in the replay. It may or may not be an issue, I think the main issues are some of the players not standing up to be leaders, and Ger C's tactical poverty, decision-making, slowness, and well, where to stop?! It's a shame for Kerry hurling to lose such a good player, especially when they are on the up. Can he go back at some stage? I totally disagree with you about the investment not bearing fruit. It's not all about winning All-Is, in fact far from it. Everywhere I go now, even in places like Ballymun and Ballybough, I see kids with hurleys, kids pucking around outside my door, with their dads, local men who you can see haven't exactly had the traditional hurling background. They might identify well with the Shanahans. That's a miracle Mick. And that part of it didn't even cost that much in financial terms. It beggars belief the begrudgery of people trying to disrespect the work that has made that miracle possible.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 23, 2015 22:07:08 GMT
The slip back by Dublin from that monumental performance v Cork in 2013 is stark. They are back to where they were in 2010 at the level of Wexford. Maybe the game v Galway was a blip.
I agree though that winning isn't the only thing. Keeping the game alive at all is good days work. Growing the game is tough work.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 23, 2015 22:17:20 GMT
A big fillip for an ailing Clare hurling side has emerged today as it has been confirmed that 2013 All Star midfielder Colm Galvin is to return to the panel having spent the last two months hurling in the United States.
The news broke on Clare FM on Tuesday morning and has now been confirmed in a statement made on behalf of the Clare panel and management.
This will come as an extremely welcome turn of events for Clare in the aftermath of their Munster Championship loss to Limerick as they prepare for a qualifier clash with Offaly on Saturday, July 4th.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 24, 2015 17:20:11 GMT
Colm Parkinson accuses Davy Fitzgerald of double standards following Colm Galvin return
The decision of Davy Fitzgerald to welcome Colm Galvin back into the Clare squad has been widely welcomed but some have viewed the manager's stance as hypocritical.
Galvin, an All Star from the 2013 All-Ireland winning team, returned from Boston this morning after two months in the States and Davy Fitzgerald released a statement to say that he would return to training with the Clare panel immediately.
"Ahead of his departure to the US, the management team assured Colm that the door would remain open for his return to the squad should he decide to come home over the course of the summer. During the past couple of weeks Colm expressed his desire to return and through regular communication with his father Kevin, we were only too delighted to invite him to rejoin the squad," said Fitzgerald.
"Colm is an exceptionally talented hurler and had been a key figure in the Clare side up to his departure following the National League in April. He will resume training with the rest of the panel this week. Pending match fitness, I expect that Colm will be part of the match day panel in next week's Qualifier tie. In the meantime, the management and players are delighted to welcome him back into the fold," he added.
He is now in the reckoning for the Banner's round one qualifier with Offaly in Ennis on July 4.
Former Laois footballer and Off The Ball presenter has pointed out the contrast between Fitzgerald's treatment of Galvin with the way he dealt with the situation surrounding exiled duo Davy O'Halloran and Nicky O'Connell.
Clare's build-up to the Championship was marred by controversy in March after Nicky O'Connell and Davy O'Halloran left the panel over what they believed to be excessive disciplinary action.
O'Connell later apologised and returned to the hurling squad but O'Halloran threw his lot in with the county footballers.
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 24, 2015 20:26:53 GMT
Gas man Wolly, waffled around the Laois senior team for a couple of seasons like a butterfly coming out for a few hot days when it suited him. Compare that to someone like Glen Ryan who gave Kildare 18 seasons until he couldn't run any more. I'd take Wolly like a bit of bog cotton fluttering around in a light breeze.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jun 24, 2015 21:38:24 GMT
Middle Ireland seems to love that sort of celebrity, he's up there with Hecthor, a real 'character'
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 24, 2015 22:53:27 GMT
I used to despise Parkinson... basically not a team player and totally unashamed of same.
However I very, very often find myself in agreement with him. Is he not right in this matter?
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 24, 2015 23:21:59 GMT
However I very, very often find myself in agreement with him. Is he not right in this matter? Nicky O'Connell and Davy O'Halloran went out for a night but didn't drink. Colm Galvin went away for 2 months. I don't if he had adrink in that two months! I can see Woolys point too.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jun 25, 2015 8:53:37 GMT
I don't see any hypocrisy or even any confusion here. In one case, disciplinary action. Overly severe perhaps but that's a separate issue. In the other case simply a guy who went to the States, no? It's normal these days for players to head away for a bit for a break, an opportunity, or whatever, and not an issue for them to come back. I'd imagine all players accept they would like to have that option open to them so why begrudge someone who takes it up? It's just realistic and reasonable, otherwise lads would leave anyway and be lost to the counties. Or stay and be unhappy, distracted, and get more burned out.
The two lads broke an agreed protocol. Presumably Galvin went away with agreement. Now we can argue all day as to how a player can maintain a strict regime while away. I seriously doubt he has a 'minder'. Maybe it's in the detail regarding how the two lads behaved. Maybe they openly, carelessly flouted whatever the agreed plan was. That's all speculation. We have to assume the action was taken fairly considering the circumstances. If it's not the case then Davy is open to censure from his own people, unjust, irrational treatment of others will not go unchecked and will have a bad effect on morale, unity etc.
As regards whether Colm Galvin drank while away, that's 'my word against yours', or simply 'don't get caught' territory, regardless of whether you're away or in Ireland you could be drinking and get away with it. Ok so it's much easier to get away with it if in another country, away from kith and kin, but the rule of outcome has to apply here. If the guy comes back unfit, if he hasn't been checking in with people and maintaining some form of agreed plan of self-care, fitness etc, then he won't get back in. In the statement above his match fitness was confirmed.
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Post by glengael on Jun 25, 2015 10:24:07 GMT
You'd have to acknowledge Colm Parkinson's vast experience of winning All Irelands as well and knowing what it takes to manage successful teams at the highest levels in the senior championship.
Every All Ireland (including our own) has of course only been won by a team of perfect players and a management team who never made a mistake. Ever.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 5, 2015 7:49:11 GMT
I see that Darragh O'Connell wasn't on Dublins first 15 against Offaly and he was brought on as a sub.
He was one of the few players to play well v Galway.
Why was he dropped?
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jul 5, 2015 8:48:35 GMT
I see that Darragh O'Connell wasn't on Dublins first 15 against Offaly and he was brought on as a sub. He was one of the few players to play well v Galway. Why was he dropped? It wasn't the only strange or confusing thing about yesterday's selections and performance. Serious doubts about Cunningham not allayed. O'Connell's situation was always going to be provocative and risky. How it's handled will say a lot about Cunningham & co. The draw will be very interesting now. Clare to be avoided most.
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Post by Jigz84 on Jul 6, 2015 8:27:42 GMT
Dubs v Limerick and Cork v Clare next weekend.
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Post by veteran on Jul 6, 2015 10:49:43 GMT
Dubs v Limerick and Cork v Clare next weekend. The ideal venue for the Clare/Cork game is Killarney. I remember being at a Munster final between these teams at that venue in the eighties. Our County Board should get cracking on this.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 6, 2015 10:56:40 GMT
Joe Canning is truly the most gifted hurler I have ever seen. His goal yesterday was incredible.
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Post by Jigz84 on Jul 6, 2015 13:02:07 GMT
Triple Header in Thurles next Saturday with the Tipp footballers.
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Post by glengael on Jul 6, 2015 15:32:12 GMT
I think the traffic chaos that apparently preceeded the Hurling qualifier between Cork and Tipp in Killarney a few years back put a dent in any hopes of getting games as a neutral venue. It was in 2003 or 04 I think.
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Post by veteran on Jul 6, 2015 16:17:15 GMT
I think the traffic chaos that apparently preceeded the Hurling qualifier between Cork and Tipp in Killarney a few years back put a dent in any hopes of getting games as a neutral venue. It was in 2003 or 04 I think. Glengael, the problem that day was the logjam in Castleisland. Of course that problem that has now been resolved with the bypass. These "traffic problems" intrigue me. Off hand, I can recall three hurling finals in Killarney: The wet day that legend has it that Babs Keating was "smuggled" a dry ball for a close in free; the day of Richard Stakelum's "the famine is over" speech; and the Cork/Clare match to which I already referred. On all of those occasions there wasn't a whisper about traffic problems. And that was before the advent of the Castleisland bypass. While I accept that the the anxiety to stage both games together makes Killarney a less obvious choice, I do feel our county board should be more pro active on occasions like this. In any case, could not the Limerick/Dublin game be staged in Portlaoise? After the Kerry/Mayo game last year the then president spoke of his wish to bring more games to the provinces. This was an ideal game to be brought to an outpost of the province. Would it not be an appropriate gesture to Kerry also in view of the strides we are making in the hurling field. I have always been sceptical of the attitude of the traditional hurling counties, some individuals excepted, to spreading the hurling gospel. I can recall a time when Offaly were on the crest of making their hurling breakthrough and they were not treated with the respect that was warranted until they imposed themselves by dint of their expertise. You must remember this is Ireland and there is no accounting for inverted snobbery. The "hurling man myself" brigade do not like their party being crashed. God between us and all harm.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 6, 2015 18:29:55 GMT
Don't think Tipp ever lost a championship game in Killarney in hurling... not certain though.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 12, 2015 20:44:24 GMT
Its hard to know what to make of the modern game of hurling. I grew up watching the big number 14s like Ray Cummins, Joe McKenna and Tony Doran and crafty corner forwards like Seanie OLeary but today no one plays inside the 21 yard line now. Its all about finding a free man in the middle and lamping over points from up to 100 yards. All made possible by the new light sliother. I prefer the old game I have to say.
Dublin got Paul Ryan back and what a class player he is. Rushe came good at CHB when the needs was greatest. Surely they will leave him there now. Dublin will fancy beating Waterford I think. No sign of Darragh OConnell!
I didn't see Clare and Cork as it was on sky.
All the hurling so far has been poor and only 3 of the big 9 have been eliminated.... Wexford, Limerick and Clare. Davy will hardly stay on now.
This was Tipps first trophy under EAMONN OShea. It was like a chess game. Conceding home advantage to Tipp may not have been a wise move by Waterford.
6 teams left, Time for the action to start.
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Post by onlykerry on Jul 13, 2015 7:59:42 GMT
This years Hurling Championship is not producing the classics we have come to relish and expect
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Post by Jigz84 on Jul 13, 2015 8:57:23 GMT
Poor fare over the weekend with a huge amount of cynical play in all games but not a word about it in commentary or in the media. There were multiple foot trips, 3rd man tackles, pulling down of players heading for goal, sledging and many many foul hand passes.
Hard to see anyone outside of Kilkenny and Tipp contesting the Final.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 13, 2015 9:09:33 GMT
Poor fare over the weekend with a huge amount of cynical play in all games but not a word about it in commentary or in the media. There were multiple foot trips, 3rd man tackles, pulling down of players heading for goal, sledging and many many foul hand passes. Hard to see anyone outside of Kilkenny and Tipp contesting the Final. Agree, the non application of the black card in this "manly" game of hurling is farcical!
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Post by hugh20 on Jul 13, 2015 10:32:57 GMT
Paddy power were offering Even money on either Tipperary or Kilkenny to win the All Ireland last week. Seems like a good bet now.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 15, 2015 21:42:28 GMT
Great game on TG4 tonight where Clare beat Waterford by 3 points in Munster U21 semi final.
Lots of talent coming up in Clare.
The other semi final is on tomorrow night between Tipp and Limerick. Two of the main Tipp players Colin O’Riordan and Kevin O’Halloran played for the Tipp footballers last Sunday v Louth and will play against Tyrone on Saturday. In todays Examiner it says that the U21 hurling management are fuming that they were not substituted against Louth as the game was over at half time. So much for managing player burnout sensibly.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 17, 2015 7:11:51 GMT
Limerick beat Tipp in a classic game last night in the other u21 semi final.
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Post by undercovereustace on Jul 17, 2015 15:29:22 GMT
Don't think Tipp ever lost a championship game in Killarney in hurling... not certain though. Cork beat Tipperary in Killarney in an All-Ireland qualifier match in 2004.
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