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Post by Ard Mhacha on Aug 1, 2015 21:11:20 GMT
Can't see them winning Sam. A lot of people said that about Kerry last year too. Donegal are well capable of winning Sam.
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Post by Hicser on Aug 1, 2015 21:15:41 GMT
I hope not, they have done a good job at destroying the game,
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 1, 2015 21:37:57 GMT
I hope not, they have done a good job at destroying the game, I don't agree with that. They were hugely exciting and innovative in 2012 and hugely positive in the way they conducted themselves on and off the pitch. Nothing about Donegal in 2012 was negative when they were at the height of their powers.
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Post by sullyschoice on Aug 1, 2015 21:41:19 GMT
Their goals were very well taken today but their point scoring left an awful lot to be desired.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Aug 1, 2015 22:27:09 GMT
Can't see them winning Sam. A lot of people said that about Kerry last year too. Donegal are well capable of winning Sam. They look sluggish and looked very open at the back. No longer the Donegal they were. If you put 15 men behind a ball and you still leave huge gaps in defence.......
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 1, 2015 22:53:44 GMT
Huge ask for Donegal to win the All-Ireland after losing the Ulster final, starting next week.
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Post by donegalman on Aug 2, 2015 2:45:56 GMT
Very strange performance today. At a total loss as to how to assess our team. We played very well in the second half when we abandoned the running game, albiet mixing it with the long ball. Murphy is at home at the edge of the square. So many positives and equally as many negatives. What I will say is that the rumor mill was working overtime in donegal the last 48 hours. We have another big day out and that is something that I am now looking forward to rather than dreading. We wont be hammered thats for sure. I think that Galway were very good for large parts of the game, they just faded a bit in the last 15. Hard to believe that the last game they played in croke park and won was in 2001, the all ireland final that they won.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 2, 2015 9:14:30 GMT
Murphys point and the tap down for the goal were pure gold.
McFadden and McNiallais were great too.
The game with Mayo will be massive preparation for whoever wins for the semi final
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Post by donegalman on Aug 2, 2015 10:38:37 GMT
Mayo are 8/11 and we are 11/8 for next sat. We will need to take our chances, as mayo have turned into a scoring machine, and a one week turn around will mean that we will not be able to go for 70 minutes, so there will be a large part of the game we will be on the back foot.
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Post by Hicser on Aug 2, 2015 13:45:43 GMT
I hope not, they have done a good job at destroying the game, I don't agree with that. They were hugely exciting and innovative in 2012 and hugely positive in the way they conducted themselves on and off the pitch. Nothing about Donegal in 2012 was negative when they were at the height of their powers. I'm afraid I don't agree, their defensive application is awful to watch and the fact they were successful means teams at club and county are copying them.
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Post by Ard Mhacha on Aug 2, 2015 14:03:33 GMT
I don't agree with that. They were hugely exciting and innovative in 2012 and hugely positive in the way they conducted themselves on and off the pitch. Nothing about Donegal in 2012 was negative when they were at the height of their powers. I'm afraid I don't agree, their defensive application is awful to watch and the fact they were successful means teams at club and county are copying them. Kerry included.
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Post by donegalman on Aug 2, 2015 15:01:15 GMT
Well we scored 3 9 from play yesterday which shows it is more than just playing defensive football.
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Post by stevieq on Aug 2, 2015 16:38:06 GMT
Great display from Fermanagh. Underdogs can go home with their heads held high.
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Post by wideball on Aug 2, 2015 16:39:17 GMT
Great performance by Fermanagh... Love their attitude... A real credit to themselves
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Post by Chinatown on Aug 2, 2015 16:50:42 GMT
Cheeky is how I would describe fermanagh...classic
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Post by donegalman on Aug 2, 2015 17:13:42 GMT
Fermanagh were great today, they were never going to win today but they were full of running despite the gulf in class between the teams.
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Post by jackeensabhog on Aug 2, 2015 17:43:48 GMT
Moral victory for Fermanagh today, although first goal was a free out. Kerry must be favourites now!
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Post by Chinatown on Aug 2, 2015 18:15:10 GMT
Moral victory for Fermanagh today, although first goal was a free out. Kerry must be favourites now! Odds tighter now alright Attachments:
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Post by Hicser on Aug 2, 2015 18:26:38 GMT
I'm afraid I don't agree, their defensive application is awful to watch and the fact they were successful means teams at club and county are copying them. Kerry included. I wouldn't dispute that but not to the same extent,
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Post by jackeensabhog on Aug 2, 2015 19:57:58 GMT
Free count today was 25-3 in favour of Fermanagh, not to mention the goal. Amazing ref display.
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Post by Ard Mhacha on Aug 2, 2015 21:05:50 GMT
I wouldn't dispute that but not to the same extent, OK, they may have tweaked it slightly, but they still altered their style in order to compete with modern systems. Brolly (of all people) said an interesting thing last year. Basically he said Kerry had the chance to kill the blanket system once and for all, by beating Donegal (the original 13-man blanket, although that changed) playing the Kerry way. But Kerry copied their system (to an extent) and showed that was how you beat it. Had Kerry beat Donegal playing their own game, then others may have thought differently too, and moved away from that style. As it is, everyone plays with the blanket because it has proven successful. Just saying...
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Post by fitz on Aug 2, 2015 21:34:22 GMT
Big Quigley is a fine player even with the condition he's carrying. I wonder if they invested a bit more going forward, the pocket attacking cost them many turnovers, though I say they may just have won midfield. They also hit a lot of first half wides. I still think the scoreline flatters them a bit. Add another five anyway. They did definitely get under Dublin's skin in the last 15 mins and Dublin made a lot of mistakes then. I was saying to myself Dean Rock isn't good enough for first fifteen forever, then everything he kicked or touched was a score. His frees were sublime. My thinking was when under pressure...we'll see.
What I'm sure of is if we meet in final Shane will be on Berno, he's their key irreplaceable inside man, he's class although wtf was his man doing for first goal... I mean he's the best forward on the pitch so give him 10 yards free from the front. Ffs, shooting oneself in criggs (old school phrase), great ball from Crackers in mind. If Shane can get at Bernard and disrupt him a key job will have been done.
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Post by jackiel on Aug 2, 2015 22:03:32 GMT
watching TSG - Where was Quigleys gumshield when he celebrated his goal. Didnt click with me in real time but on re-viewing he's not wearing it.
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Post by Hicser on Aug 2, 2015 22:12:42 GMT
I wouldn't dispute that but not to the same extent, OK, they may have tweaked it slightly, but they still altered their style in order to compete with modern systems. Brolly (of all people) said an interesting thing last year. Basically he said Kerry had the chance to kill the blanket system once and for all, by beating Donegal (the original 13-man blanket, although that changed) playing the Kerry way. But Kerry copied their system (to an extent) and showed that was how you beat it. Had Kerry beat Donegal playing their own game, then others may have thought differently too, and moved away from that style. As it is, everyone plays with the blanket because it has proven successful. Just saying... I can't disagree with you but it can be awful stuff. I've seen underage teams playing the blanket and I can't see young players developing if it becomes the norm. It ends up being basketball match. I think Brolly fabricates a lot, I don't Kerry played too much of a blanket against Donegal more so kept their backs in position with the use of a sweeper at time,
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Post by Ard Mhacha on Aug 3, 2015 1:25:59 GMT
I can't disagree with you but it can be awful stuff. I've seen underage teams playing the blanket and I can't see young players developing if it becomes the norm. It ends up being basketball match. It's not just blanket defences, but just overcrowding particularly between the 50's. It's terrible to watch. No room to swing a cat. Martin McHugh said a few years ago he would reduce teams to 13. I'd go further and cut them to 11 a side. 8 players taken out of the middle would free it up considerably and the more skillful forwards would thrive on the extra space. Skill would win games again, not systems.
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Post by wayupnorth on Aug 3, 2015 6:37:42 GMT
I can't disagree with you but it can be awful stuff. I've seen underage teams playing the blanket and I can't see young players developing if it becomes the norm. It ends up being basketball match. It's not just blanket defences, but just overcrowding particularly between the 50's. It's terrible to watch. No room to swing a cat. Martin McHugh said a few years ago he would reduce teams to 13. I'd go further and cut them to 11 a side. 8 players taken out of the middle would free it up considerably and the more skillful forwards would thrive on the extra space. Skill would win games again, not systems. Yes, then ban the use of hands and saw off the uprights. We could then give it a new name, say Association Football. That would really bring back the excitement
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Post by KY50 on Aug 3, 2015 10:19:18 GMT
We will see a different Dublin in the semi probably against Mayo. They are planning to peak twice this year, semi and final ?Jim Gavin is a shrewd operator and the last couple of results will dampen the hype.
I believe that this was by design.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 3, 2015 11:00:37 GMT
The Dubs are awesome specimens in the flesh, carrying the conditioning of professional footballers. Kilkenny is exceptional greedy on the ball and could be a player that could be frustrated by getting in his face tightly.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 3, 2015 11:03:55 GMT
Ya, looks like the 30 delegates got it spot on alright. Kildare will have plenty of time now for club football. Their downward spiral has been spectacular post McGeeeny.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 3, 2015 12:06:02 GMT
At least a dozen of the points by Dublin yesterday came from Cluxtons kickout.
You wouldn't see it in an under 14 match.
As soon as the umpire started to wave a point or a wide the Dubs started running all over the place like ants when you lift up a rock. Cluxton usually had the simple task of chipping the ball 25 yards to a blue shirt totally unmarked. They were allowed to waltz up the field unchallenged and kick simple points.
The few that Cluxton kicked long were raffled and found a green shirt as often as a blue one.
We have no idea whatsoever how good Dublins midfield are and how they will fare in their two remaining games if Cluxton is forced to kick long.
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