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Post by himself on May 18, 2015 17:24:44 GMT
Dingle seemed to have a lot of positional switches from the start, certainly Tom O'Sullivan played wing back and not corner forward. Dingle had slightly the better of the possession stakes early on but couldn't convert it into scoring chances. Dingle lost Dara O'Sullivan to injury in the first quarter, he had been doing well in midfield, where I thought his brother Barry had a great game. Stacks defended in numbers very well and turned over a lot of ball. Their distribution into the corners (they didn't play a lot into Donaghy, he looked very dangerous every time they did) was much better. David Mannix kicked 5 out of 7 first half points for them - some great scores - but he seemed to be shooting every time he got the ball. I would guess that primary possesson was roughly 50/50 in that first half but Stacks had 16 scoring chances, 0-7 (2f), 7 wides, and two dropped short (those aren't exact figures; I have a habit of jotting these things down but I'd be casual about it). Dingle had 8 scoring chances, 3 points (2f), 3 wides, 1 dropped short....and most crucially, a well-taken goal by Paul Geaney just before half-time. Dingle had the wind in the second half and made very good use of it. Breandan Kelliher came out to midfield and Mark O'Connor went back, presumably with Donaghy in mind. Dingle totally dominated the third quarter, scored 1-4 out of ten clear-cut scoring chances (five wides)to a lone Shane Carroll free. Dingle also won the fourth quarter 4-2, Stacks kept going to the finish but I never felt like they were going to turn it around. I think Stacks players can't be faulted for effort, but a few big names couldn't seem to get going. They were missing players like Greg Horan, Shane and Wayne Guthrie, Darragh O'Brien and probably more that I don't know, but they will still be disappointed at this display. They seemed to lack the imagination to open it up against Dingle's workrate. I was very impressed with Dingle once things opened up a bit, they had been slow to get going but were excellent with a young team when they did. You'd spot the county class of Paul Geaney and Kieran Donaghy a mile away, they always looked dangerous any time a ball came near them...which wasn't actually all that often. Unfortunately, like the first game, it was all over long before the final whistle. Very small crowd in Austin Stack Park, I thought there would be way more people there.
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Post by blackisbad on May 19, 2015 16:16:50 GMT
Dara Sullivan wasn't playing midfield ana Brendan kelliher wasn't moved to midfield
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Post by himself on May 19, 2015 17:33:01 GMT
No idea where either were positioned, but Breandan certainly seemed to play a lot of ball out there in the second half. Maybe he followed some-one out, I don't know.
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Post by Mickmack on May 19, 2015 19:24:01 GMT
Kerins O`Rahilly's Legion Ardfert Laune Rangers Ardfert St Michael's-Foilmore Kilcummin Rathmore Milltown/Castlemaine Austin Stacks
so am I right its these 9 for trapdoor competition with 3 taking the drop?
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Post by greengold35 on May 19, 2015 20:49:19 GMT
Kerins O`Rahilly's Legion Ardfert Laune Rangers Ardfert St Michael's-Foilmore Kilcummin Rathmore Milltown/Castlemaine Austin Stacks so am I right its these 9 for trapdoor competition with 3 taking the drop? Spot on, that's the line up, open draw, 3 groups of 3, bottom club in each group to drop down to Intermediate. One caveat is the possibility of one of these clubs winning the Co Championship which in that instance will mean that the proposed system will have to be revisited.
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Post by classicfc on May 19, 2015 20:58:27 GMT
Correct you are Mickmack three of those nine clubs will fall through the trapdoor. With no seeding it is possible that one or two of the stronger clubs could very well face relegation. It seems quite unfair that many divisional sides are allowed to meander along year in year out without adding any great degree of competitiveness to the championship. Kenmare couldn't even muster together 15 players to take on Dingle last year yet it was Dingle who were battling Stacks in order to secure their championship status last Sunday. Admittedly when a divisional side prepares like a club side and has access to top quality players such teams undoubtedly raise the standard of the competition. South Kerry and the East Kerry team of the late 90s are the more recent examples of quality preparation and organisation of star studded panels. There are many factors which are now contributing to the poor effort being made by many divisional sides. The preference by players to prepare for their clubs for Junior/Intermediate Championships, less access to Senior Inter-County panellist's, the attractiveness of a summer in America due to a lack of important club games and an increasing difficulty in gathering players who prioritise work and socialising during the summer months. Now I am not saying club sides don't have players who prioritise work and socialising during the summer months but they are generally tighter units who are together all year round. Many throughout the county view divisional sides through rose tinted glasses and likewise many in the County Board judging by the severe relegation procedures they have implemented. As clubs try to keep the show on the road despite the monster that is the inter-county calendar, what chance have divisional sides?
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Post by kerrygold on May 19, 2015 21:52:43 GMT
Stacks, Legion and Rahillys could end up in one group with none of them winning the championship, Ardfert, B/Foilmore and L. Rangers or Milltown/Castlemaine etc in another. Meanwhile the non performing district teams drink coctails from the stands while the play off circus commences.
Hard to know if this is the correct way to restructure the championship?
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Post by G_S_J on May 20, 2015 11:18:38 GMT
It's a crazy system, when is the draw happening for this anyway? It's very possible we could get a group of death situation here. Should be done by league performance, it's not taken as seriously be at the end of the day no one wants to be relegated from their division.
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Post by Premier on May 20, 2015 11:42:52 GMT
Stacks, Legion and Rahillys could end up in one group with none of them winning the championship, Ardfert, B/Foilmore and L. Rangers or Milltown/Castlemaine etc in another. Meanwhile the non performing district teams drink coctails from the stands while the play off circus commences. Hard to know if this is the correct way to restructure the championship? Bally Ardfert and Laune rangers will be relegated if they avoid each other
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Post by hugh20 on May 20, 2015 12:14:30 GMT
Yes, the current system doesn't seem right. It should be seeded IMO. There could be a simple way to seed the teams.....perhaps on how far the respective teams went in the previous County Championship year.
Eg. Stacks - won it last year (Number one seed) Legion - quarter final (Number one seed)
L. Rangers - quarter final (Number one seed)
In the case of teams being eliminated in the same round then precedence may switch to league standing for determining seed.
Kilcummin - 3rd round (Number two seed) due to their county league standing
Milltown - 3rd round (Number two seed) Co. Lge standing
St Mls Foilmore - 3rd round (Number two seed) Co. Lge standing
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Rathmore - 3rd round (Number three seed) Co. Lge standing (div 2 as opposed to Number 2 seeds)
Kerins O Rahillys - 2nd round (Number three seed)
Ardfert - intermediate champions. (Number three seed).
This is the fairest scenario that I could come up with.
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Post by greengold35 on May 20, 2015 13:03:00 GMT
I would have the seedings based on league performance as this would be more consistent and placings are based on games against clubs, not divisions. Rahillys lost both their games to divisional opponents, some teams that progressed beat club sides. It would seem to be academic though with Co Board adamant that there will be no seedings- has the potential to relegate a "big " club though with an open draw which was not the objective from day 1 - committee were tasked with improving the standard of the county football championship - the cure could prove worse than the disease! If County Board were serious about improving the standard they could start by advising EF that all players should be available to clubs 2 weeks before championship- this I believe is a bye law; no club side has had their players released so far- Kerry trained last night, players were told that they could train/ play for the remainder of this week.
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Post by G_S_J on May 20, 2015 13:46:51 GMT
Yes, the current system doesn't seem right. It should be seeded IMO. There could be a simple way to seed the teams.....perhaps on how far the respective teams went in the previous County Championship year. Eg. Stacks - won it last year (Number one seed) Legion - quarter final (Number one seed) L. Rangers - quarter final (Number one seed) In the case of teams being eliminated in the same round then precedence may switch to league standing for determining seed. Kilcummin - 3rd round (Number two seed) due to their county league standing Milltown - 3rd round (Number two seed) Co. Lge standing St Mls Foilmore - 3rd round (Number two seed) Co. Lge standing Finally: Rathmore - 3rd round (Number three seed) Co. Lge standing (div 2 as opposed to Number 2 seeds) Kerins O Rahillys - 2nd round (Number three seed) Ardfert - intermediate champions. (Number three seed). This is the fairest scenario that I could come up with. O'Rahilly's beat Kilcummin in a preliminary relegation play-off match in last year's championship and finished ahead of them in the league.
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Post by keane on May 20, 2015 14:48:29 GMT
Is the set up here that one of the clubs listed could be beaten in the county final and yet could still end up alongside two of Stacks/Crokes/Strand Road/Legion in a group and not be in the county champ the following year?
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Post by buck02 on May 20, 2015 15:14:29 GMT
Is the set up here that one of the clubs listed could be beaten in the county final and yet could still end up alongside two of Stacks/Crokes/Strand Road/Legion in a group and not be in the county champ the following year? When asked to comment on the possible permutations for the restructuring of the county championship, Stephen Hawking declined to comment.
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Post by G_S_J on May 20, 2015 15:23:20 GMT
Is the set up here that one of the clubs listed could be beaten in the county final and yet could still end up alongside two of Stacks/Crokes/Strand Road/Legion in a group and not be in the county champ the following year? When asked to comment on the possible permutations for the restructuring of the county championship, Stephen Hawking declined to comment. Haha That eventuality is broached. "In the event of club teams that are in relegation playoffs reaching the County Final the proposal may have to be revisited" It probably won't though.... fingers crossed eh.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on May 20, 2015 15:28:42 GMT
Is the set up here that one of the clubs listed could be beaten in the county final and yet could still end up alongside two of Stacks/Crokes/Strand Road/Legion in a group and not be in the county champ the following year? Yes that is it essentially
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Post by G_S_J on May 20, 2015 15:47:50 GMT
Is the set up here that one of the clubs listed could be beaten in the county final and yet could still end up alongside two of Stacks/Crokes/Strand Road/Legion in a group and not be in the county champ the following year? Yes that is it essentially No, they say they will revisit it if club teams get to the county final, by my reckoning that would include a loser, a winner, or both.
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Post by kerrygold on May 20, 2015 16:01:14 GMT
Yes, the current system doesn't seem right. It should be seeded IMO. There could be a simple way to seed the teams.....perhaps on how far the respective teams went in the previous County Championship year. Eg. Stacks - won it last year (Number one seed) Legion - quarter final (Number one seed) L. Rangers - quarter final (Number one seed) In the case of teams being eliminated in the same round then precedence may switch to league standing for determining seed. Kilcummin - 3rd round (Number two seed) due to their county league standing Milltown - 3rd round (Number two seed) Co. Lge standing St Mls Foilmore - 3rd round (Number two seed) Co. Lge standing Finally: Rathmore - 3rd round (Number three seed) Co. Lge standing (div 2 as opposed to Number 2 seeds) Kerins O Rahillys - 2nd round (Number three seed) Ardfert - intermediate champions. (Number three seed). This is the fairest scenario that I could come up with. Good post and idea. Furthermore, There is something wrong with the system for restructuring the championship while weak district teams remain untouched. They should possibly look at a qualifying competition for the district teams, similar to the early stages of the Leinster hurling championship - bring a select number of them into the championship proper second round after the losers rounds for the club teams.
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Post by keane on May 20, 2015 16:04:02 GMT
Is the set up here that one of the clubs listed could be beaten in the county final and yet could still end up alongside two of Stacks/Crokes/Strand Road/Legion in a group and not be in the county champ the following year? When asked to comment on the possible permutations for the restructuring of the county championship, Stephen Hawking declined to comment. I f*ing hate myself for misreading that as "Stephen Stack"!
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on May 20, 2015 19:00:19 GMT
Yes that is it essentially No, they say they will revisit it if club teams get to the county final, by my reckoning that would include a loser, a winner, or both. I assumed just a winner- sure it's idiotic if the rules haven't been clearly established
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Post by seamo on May 24, 2015 21:10:22 GMT
Good to see you've finally seen sense on this one!!! I have no problem debating the topic Seamo. Do you genuinely believe from the pit of your stomach that Stacks are the best team in the county? People will say I am biased but I don't mind, I can comfortably say that I believe Crokes are a better team. If you went in to a betting shop and you got Even money on both Crokes and Stacks in a county final, who would you bet on? My money is on Crokes. Sorry took so long to respond, doesn't make for much debate as a result!! My issue isn't with who people think will win the CC in 2015. Crokes should be favourites given that Gooch is back. My issue is with the lack of appreciation given to Stacks at this current time and over the past 6 months. Austin Stacks were the best club in Kerry in 2014 and still are to this day! ...in ~4-5 months time, my money is on Crokes reclaiming their place at the top. But for now, Stacks deserve a little bit more credit and respect for what they have done.
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Post by Mickmack on May 24, 2015 21:44:37 GMT
The best horse always wins!!
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Post by diego on Sept 27, 2015 14:29:41 GMT
Great win for Dingle today in the club final in Milltown. 2-12 to 0-14 over Crokes.
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Post by G_S_J on Sept 27, 2015 18:10:14 GMT
Great win for Dingle today in the club final in Milltown. 2-12 to 0-14 over Crokes. Anyone at this, Dingle championship contenders now?
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Post by hugh20 on Sept 27, 2015 20:43:34 GMT
Great win for Dingle today in the club final in Milltown. 2-12 to 0-14 over Crokes. Anyone at this, Dingle championship contenders now? On todays evidence Dingle are very much contenders. Their defence dealt with forward line comfortably enough and in Conor and Paul Geaney they have two very dangerous attackers. Paul is brilliant at creating goal chances out of nothing. A poor enough game by all accounts but Dingle fully deserved their win and rarely looked like they were in trouble in the second half. Both sides were reduced to 14 men in the first half for two bookables in separate incidents. Matthew flaherty got his marching orders after about 20 mins and johnny buckley received his a few mins before half time. Both seemed pretty harsh in my opinion but it was the linesmen who made the calls for both so they had a much better view than me. Paul Devane got man of the match, while he had a good game i would have picked either of the Tom O Sullivans. Tom Leo had an excellent game on Jordan Kiely frustrating him all afternoon and the other Tom also had an excellent game on Brian Looney. Brendan Kellliher had a good game especially in the second half where he won 3 or 4 vital kickouts in a row when the game was in the balance. Johnny Buckley was a big loss around the middle and Dingle dominated the middle 8 for the remainder of the game. Dara and Barry O Sullivan were midfield and Mark o Connor was introduced into the game for the remaining 5 mins ir so. Ambrose Donovan looked off the pace and was probably fortunate enough not to see the line where he just missed a dingle player with a clothes line tackle after already after receiving a yellow card earlier in the game. Very few Crokes lads would be happy with their performances, a few players performed in patches but that was it. If a repeat occurs next weekend I would be convinced that Stacks would win. One of Crokes main problems at the moment seems to be management. Game after game they are making very questionable decisions and they lack an authoratative leader who they respect.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 28, 2015 8:34:31 GMT
Dingle must have the potential to replace Crokes at the top of the tree in Kerry over the next few years.
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Post by hugh20 on Sept 28, 2015 10:26:55 GMT
Dingle will win a county title in the near future and might well go on to win quite a few of them. There is a serious core of players available, most of whom are at a young age and they are very well balanced throughout the field. It is brilliant for Kerry football given that Crokes had dominated for 4-5 years and there was a sense of inevitability in terms of who was going to win the county, now there are many teams capable of turning Crokes over and it makes for a much more exciting county championship.
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Post by ballybunion on Sept 28, 2015 14:51:05 GMT
Some fantastic talent coming through in Dingle.A CC title must be getting close.Is the pendelum swinging west?
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Post by wkfootball on Sept 28, 2015 22:12:33 GMT
Anyone at this, Dingle championship contenders now? On todays evidence Dingle are very much contenders. Their defence dealt with forward line comfortably enough and in Conor and Paul Geaney they have two very dangerous attackers. Paul is brilliant at creating goal chances out of nothing. A poor enough game by all accounts but Dingle fully deserved their win and rarely looked like they were in trouble in the second half. Both sides were reduced to 14 men in the first half for two bookables in separate incidents. Matthew flaherty got his marching orders after about 20 mins and johnny buckley received his a few mins before half time. Both seemed pretty harsh in my opinion but it was the linesmen who made the calls for both so they had a much better view than me. Paul Devane got man of the match, while he had a good game i would have picked either of the Tom O Sullivans. Tom Leo had an excellent game on Jordan Kiely frustrating him all afternoon and the other Tom also had an excellent game on Brian Looney. Brendan Kellliher had a good game especially in the second half where he won 3 or 4 vital kickouts in a row when the game was in the balance. Johnny Buckley was a big loss around the middle and Dingle dominated the middle 8 for the remainder of the game. Dara and Barry O Sullivan were midfield and Mark o Connor was introduced into the game for the remaining 5 mins ir so. Ambrose Donovan looked off the pace and was probably fortunate enough not to see the line where he just missed a dingle player with a clothes line tackle after already after receiving a yellow card earlier in the game. Very few Crokes lads would be happy with their performances, a few players performed in patches but that was it. If a repeat occurs next weekend I would be convinced that Stacks would win. One of Crokes main problems at the moment seems to be management. Game after game they are making very questionable decisions and they lack an authoratative leader who they respect. Mark O Connor did not come on in the game
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Post by hugh20 on Sept 29, 2015 9:27:58 GMT
On todays evidence Dingle are very much contenders. Their defence dealt with forward line comfortably enough and in Conor and Paul Geaney they have two very dangerous attackers. Paul is brilliant at creating goal chances out of nothing. A poor enough game by all accounts but Dingle fully deserved their win and rarely looked like they were in trouble in the second half. Both sides were reduced to 14 men in the first half for two bookables in separate incidents. Matthew flaherty got his marching orders after about 20 mins and johnny buckley received his a few mins before half time. Both seemed pretty harsh in my opinion but it was the linesmen who made the calls for both so they had a much better view than me. Paul Devane got man of the match, while he had a good game i would have picked either of the Tom O Sullivans. Tom Leo had an excellent game on Jordan Kiely frustrating him all afternoon and the other Tom also had an excellent game on Brian Looney. Brendan Kellliher had a good game especially in the second half where he won 3 or 4 vital kickouts in a row when the game was in the balance. Johnny Buckley was a big loss around the middle and Dingle dominated the middle 8 for the remainder of the game. Dara and Barry O Sullivan were midfield and Mark o Connor was introduced into the game for the remaining 5 mins ir so. Ambrose Donovan looked off the pace and was probably fortunate enough not to see the line where he just missed a dingle player with a clothes line tackle after already after receiving a yellow card earlier in the game. Very few Crokes lads would be happy with their performances, a few players performed in patches but that was it. If a repeat occurs next weekend I would be convinced that Stacks would win. One of Crokes main problems at the moment seems to be management. Game after game they are making very questionable decisions and they lack an authoratative leader who they respect. Mark O Connor did not come on in the game Are you sure? I thought that was him that came on for the last few minutes although I was quite far away, it certainly looked like his frame anyway and I had thought his number on the programme corresponded.....perhaps not.
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