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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2015 20:43:31 GMT
The whole thing needs to be revamped . The county championship has been terrible for years . I personally would love to see no club team in it to be honest . It would make it much better . Crokes , Legion, Rathmore and Kilcummin go with east kerry which of course would make them better . Laune Rangers and Milltown back with Mid Kerry . Dingle back with West Kerry . Ardfert back with the Brendans . Michaels back with South Kerry . I have been saying it for years Stacks , Rahillys , Mitchels together as Tralee . It would be so much better for Kerry if they did . With teams like Tralee , East Kerry , South Kerry , Mid Kerry , and West Kerry you would have 5 really good teams . Shannon and Feale would be good also kierans , brendans and kenmare would be competitive . You could even make it more competitive and have crokes , legion and spa as killarney if you want . I for one would look forward to the Championship every year and you would also have no 4 in a rows . I could not see one team dominating it . Right now you have 20 teams . Thats too many . you could easily break it down to 10 or 11 teams . have a first round and then a losers round you have 5 or 6 teams already in the quarters they would be joined by the two best losers . There you have your last eight and you go from there . You could still run the Club Championship off to see who represents Kerry . It would be especially for the best club team . Keep them separate from one another .
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Post by thesquareball on Apr 25, 2015 21:15:00 GMT
for a town the size of tralee and killarney to have 1 team only ,if u wanted players not playing ch ship football thats the way to go
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Post by Premier on Apr 25, 2015 22:38:16 GMT
for a town the size of tralee and killarney to have 1 team only ,if u wanted players not playing ch ship football thats the way to go Agree, one way of denying players from smaller clubs to play at a higher level
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2015 23:03:05 GMT
If they are good enough to play they would make the team it's that simple . Tralee would have 3 teams . If you are good enough to be on it then you would be on it . The problem is right now the standard is so bad because there is a lot of average players playing in the championship .
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Post by Premier on Apr 26, 2015 7:49:50 GMT
If they are good enough to play they would make the team it's that simple . Tralee would have 3 teams . If you are good enough to be on it then you would be on it . The problem is right now the standard is so bad because there is a lot of average players playing in the championship . It's hard to say the standard is bad if Kerry are walking to All-Ireland finals at Junior and intermediate and winning Munster most years at senior.. I know you're from a club that doesn't play with a division nearly all the way up but if you did you'd know it's hard enough to get lads to get along, not to mind loading a way more players on top of it
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Post by classicfc on Apr 26, 2015 9:51:01 GMT
The County Championship in Kerry takes an awful battering on this forum but the standard and fare provided is far better than the muck that is served up in most other counties. People on the forum tend to view the Kerry championship in a very insular manner without holding it up against others around the country. Every championship has good, bad and average games and this is true even of the All Ireland Senior Championship. In Kerry we provide more football for our players than any other county which leads me to ask why are people hellbent on altering structures that have worked so successfully? Na Crocaigh's suggested revamp is totally unworkable as for one the Crokes, Stacks etc would have no notion of giving up their right to enter the Championship under their club banner. Why should they anyway? Clubs that have put in the work down through the years by developing underage structures and placing an emphasis on good coaching deserve to sit at the top table if they have qualified to do so. There will be big changes made to the Championship by the end of this year when the club relegation issues are resolved which you would imagine will make for a more competitive championship. The divisional teams have an enormous part to play in the raising of standards as the effort by some is simply abysmal. That being said it is terribly difficult to organise and coach a divisional side as more often than not the commitment isn't forthcoming. Since the advent of the All Ireland Intermediate and Junior Championships it's understandable that top club players would prefer to train with their clubs in an effort to win the Kerry version of these competitions rather than drive to a session with the divisional side with a handful maybe showing up. We must also take into account that Kerry are normally in action until late August or September so there is no way what Na Crocaigh is suggesting being feasible under the current calendar. The one thing that would be refreshing to see in the Kerry Championship would be to see some teams implement some fresh coaching ideas rather than lazily copy the negative tactics adopted from Senior inter county games. A more kicking based approach with more emphasis on long range shooting skills that a huge amount of Kerry club players have at underage level but are coached out of them at senior level due to a safety first approach. My final word on the matter is to remember that these club players who have reached their competitive pinnacle in striving to win the Bishop Moynihan Cup are putting in untold work and committing inordinate hours to an amateur game and richly deserve to play at the high standard they have attained!
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Post by frankgalvintralee on Apr 26, 2015 12:02:57 GMT
1. Shannon Rangers V Dr. Crokes CROKES 2. Mid Kerry V Killarney Legion. MID KERRY 3.Kilcummin V South Kerry. SOUTH KERRY 4.Laune Rangers V West Kerry WEST KERRY 5.St Kieran's V Feale Rangers ST KIERANS 6.East Kerry V Ardfert. EAST KERRY 7.Milltown/Castlemaine V Dingle DINGLE 8.Kerins O'Rahilly's V Rathmore. RAHILLYS 9. Austin Stacks V St Michael's Foilmore. STACKS 10. Kenmare Districk V St Brendan's DRAW Round 1 : 23/24 May. The CCC will fix the times & venues Read more: kerrygaa.proboards.com/thread/5697/county-championship#ixzz3YPqn9RGE
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Apr 26, 2015 13:04:35 GMT
1. Shannon Rangers V Dr. Crokes CROKES 2. Mid Kerry V Killarney Legion. MID KERRY 3.Kilcummin V South Kerry. SOUTH KERRY 4.Laune Rangers V West Kerry WEST KERRY 5.St Kieran's V Feale Rangers ST KIERANS 6.East Kerry V Ardfert. EAST KERRY 7.Milltown/Castlemaine V Dingle DINGLE 8.Kerins O'Rahilly's V Rathmore. RAHILLYS 9. Austin Stacks V St Michael's Foilmore. STACKS 10. Kenmare Districk V St Brendan's DRAW Round 1 : 23/24 May. The CCC will fix the times & venues Read more: kerrygaa.proboards.com/thread/5697/county-championship#ixzz3YPqn9RGEI'd be backing both Crokes and Stacks with a decent handicap anyway- both will win comfortably
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Post by hardworker on Apr 27, 2015 22:01:16 GMT
I reckon we'll see a competitive championship this year, lots of contenders lads when you look at it, crokes, stacks, rahillys, dingle, mid kerry, legion. West kerry might spring a few surprises too i think
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Post by tman59 on Apr 27, 2015 22:24:40 GMT
East Kerry surprise package for this years championship. Youth!!!!
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Post by tadgh10 on Apr 27, 2015 22:46:37 GMT
They could surprise a few people and no disrespect to ardfert they didn't get the toughest draw but the divisional teams are so hard to predict only if they get through the early rounds do they seem to gel any bit I would wonder is any divisional team even had one training session yet and when you are playing a club team first round that has to be a disadvantage, most clubs are playing the next couple of weeks as well so when the trainer's of the divisional team will get a chance to train I'm not sure. don't know how true it is but I heard st brendan s picked their team in the car park before the laune ranger's game last year
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Post by bestoftherest on May 16, 2015 12:00:32 GMT
My first round winners predictions for next week's championship games crokes,legion,South kerry,West kerry,St kierans,East kerry,rahillys,stacks,kenmare and a draw Milltown v dingle
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Post by hugh20 on May 18, 2015 10:31:48 GMT
I agree about East Kerry, could be dark horses this year with some quality players available to them. There is a very stong squad and if all players were available they would have a serious pick......Jeff O Donoghue, Dara Roche, Lee O Donoghue, Donal O Sullivan, Matthew Culloty, Stam, Garnett, Shane Lynch, Shane and Evan Cronin, Liam Kearney, Dan O Donoghue, Jack Sherwood, John O Mahony, Mike Daly, Colm O Shea, Gary O Sullivan, Paudie Clifford, Lorcan Daly, Colin Myers, Padraig O Connor, JP Brosnan, DJ O Connor, Timmy O Leary......there is a lot more but they are off the top of my head, arguably the strongest panel in the championship. Im not sure who is in charge but the right manager and they would be a force to be reckoned with.
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Post by Premier on May 18, 2015 16:53:25 GMT
I agree about East Kerry, could be dark horses this year with some quality players available to them. There is a very stong squad and if all players were available they would have a serious pick......Jeff O Donoghue, Dara Roche, Lee O Donoghue, Donal O Sullivan, Matthew Culloty, Stam, Garnett, Shane Lynch, Shane and Evan Cronin, Liam Kearney, Dan O Donoghue, Jack Sherwood, John O Mahony, Mike Daly, Colm O Shea, Gary O Sullivan, Paudie Clifford, Lorcan Daly, Colin Myers, Padraig O Connor, JP Brosnan, DJ O Connor, Timmy O Leary......there is a lot more but they are off the top of my head, arguably the strongest panel in the championship. Im not sure who is in charge but the right manager and they would be a force to be reckoned with. Daragh Roche is in America and I'm not sure if DJ Connor is playing anymore
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Post by hugh20 on May 18, 2015 17:01:26 GMT
I expect East Kerry to still be involved when Dara returns back from America, players invariably only miss one or two championship matches. I wasn't aware that DJ is not playing, it is surely an injury because he is only 27?
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Post by frankgalvintralee on May 19, 2015 13:00:07 GMT
Alot of districts putting in hard work ive heard likrs of South Kerry and Mid Kerry are doing alot of work
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Post by bestoftherest on May 19, 2015 13:42:12 GMT
Not so sure about that mid kerry had their first get together last Wednesday night and have played 3 challenge games with no training session two of the 3 were v west kerry and south kerry with all 3 teams nowhere near full strength I would imagine.not knocking these team's but it can't be easy for their trainer's when their county player's aren't available for these game's must be hard to have a game plan when you don't see some player's on the field till match day almost
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on May 19, 2015 14:55:45 GMT
Will Kenmare district have all the Templenoe lads available to them?
Also does anyone have an idea of what kind of teams East Kerry & West Kerry will have out?
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Post by Premier on May 19, 2015 16:04:45 GMT
I expect East Kerry to still be involved when Dara returns back from America, players invariably only miss one or two championship matches. I wasn't aware that DJ is not playing, it is surely an injury because he is only 27? Didnt play internediate as far as i know
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Post by bestoftherest on May 19, 2015 16:14:08 GMT
If kenmare have all there player's available I could see them going far if they avoid the likes of crokes or stacks till they gain a bit of momentum, certainly their first round draw doesn't seem to bad
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Post by boots on May 19, 2015 19:49:51 GMT
If kenmare have all there player's available I could see them going far if they avoid the likes of crokes or stacks till they gain a bit of momentum, certainly their first round draw doesn't seem to bad Kenmare typify all that is so wrong about this club relegation from the county championship later in the year. Am I correct in saying that kenmare were so careless and unprepared last year that they failed to field a team for the first round? And their status can't be touched, what a joke! And yet clubs are putting in a huge effort and are the only ones under pressure to keep their place in the championship.
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Post by tadgh10 on May 19, 2015 19:59:34 GMT
I think the problem with the divisional team's is sometimes they don't bond together as a team and it doesn't mean as much to them as a club team, kenmare for me last year typified this a,ttitude but if these team's go further they seem to click a bit more I've heard some of the divisional teams couldn't muster 15 for challenge game's last week
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Post by Mickmack on May 19, 2015 20:01:12 GMT
It looks like all divisional teams are guaranteed to play in the county championship no matter how little effort they make or how little interest the players have.
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Post by frankgalvintralee on May 20, 2015 23:53:14 GMT
Not so sure about that mid kerry had their first get together last Wednesday night and have played 3 challenge games with no training session two of the 3 were v west kerry and south kerry with all 3 teams nowhere near full strength I would imagine.not knocking these team's but it can't be easy for their trainer's when their county player's aren't available for these game's must be hard to have a game plan when you don't see some player's on the field till match day almost Yes South Kerry have been together the last few months by all accounts John Sugrue may do a job eith them Mid Kerry ya only starting out will always be there around semi stage anyway
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 0:05:16 GMT
Kenmare are very young but could surprise some teams. What's the story with Feale Rangers no talk about them. South Kerry are due a good run. There is always one surprise team who could go to the semis. It would be good too to find 2 or 3 players who might get a look next year with the County team.
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Post by tadgh10 on May 21, 2015 7:22:57 GMT
Seen kenmare last night v mid kerry nacrocaigh and while I know it was only a challenge I was expecting more from them Paul o Connor in the forwards looked lively but they didn't look like a team that is going to trouble the big boy's and I know it's early and they will improve, the draw was kind to them as well speaking to locals think they were only missing Morley that they could see
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Post by timelyinterception on May 21, 2015 10:29:17 GMT
I agree about East Kerry, could be dark horses this year with some quality players available to them. There is a very stong squad and if all players were available they would have a serious pick......Jeff O Donoghue, Dara Roche, Lee O Donoghue, Donal O Sullivan, Matthew Culloty, Stam, Garnett, Shane Lynch, Shane and Evan Cronin, Liam Kearney, Dan O Donoghue, Jack Sherwood, John O Mahony, Mike Daly, Colm O Shea, Gary O Sullivan, Paudie Clifford, Lorcan Daly, Colin Myers, Padraig O Connor, JP Brosnan, DJ O Connor, Timmy O Leary......there is a lot more but they are off the top of my head, arguably the strongest panel in the championship. Im not sure who is in charge but the right manager and they would be a force to be reckoned with. Daragh Roche is in America and I'm not sure if DJ Connor is playing anymore Yeah DJ taking a year out as far as I know but East Kerry will still be formidable opponents. Lot of Kerry minors last couple of years, add in young Darren Brosnan from Gneeveguilla along with the 2 Mike Murphys, both out injured at the moment, Fintan Coffey, Donal O' Sullivan from Fossa, Derry Aherne, Danny Wreen, Fires going well at the moment as well, they do have the potential to seriously challenge but it all depends on getting a bit of momentum. Thought they had last year but Laune Rangers beat them in Round 2, longer a team like East Kerry stay in the championship the better they become. All in all I think it's a very open Championship again this year. Crokes are met really firing yet, Stacks mightn't have the same hunger either. Dingle are there or there abouts as well. Looking forward to it.
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Post by G_S_J on May 21, 2015 14:01:02 GMT
KERINS O’RAHILLY’S manager, Barry O’Shea, is highly critical of the decision to relegate three teams from this year’s senior county championship.
Speaking to TraleeToday.ie prior to the Strand Road club’s opening round of the championship against Rathmore on Saturday, he said the new system will “demoralise the clubs which are the lifeblood of the association”.
“I know it was probably done with the best of intentions, but I think it’s a disgraceful system. I think any club side should be disgusted with it,” said the former Kerry star.
Unlike previous years, senior status won’t be determined by clubs’ run in the competition, but by the new system that could potentially send some big guns down to intermediate level.
Relegation will be decided between nine club sides in three unseeded groups decided by an open draw, with the bottom club in each group losing senior status.
So potentially a ‘group of death’ featuring, O’Rahilly’s, Austin Stacks and Legion could be on the cards.
The decision to review the county championship came before last year’s competition, when it was felt the standard of the competition along with Kerry football was in decline.
Barry O’Shea is none too pleased with the system which he sees as extremely harsh on senior club teams.
“There are many divisional teams that put absolutely no effort into the county championship, yet they are not getting any sanctions and they’ll be there forever. I can’t see how getting rid of teams out of the county championship will improve it. There will always be poor teams and poor games no matter what system,” he said.
“I think it was a bit of an knee-jerk reaction, to drop three teams in one year. It’s just not a sensible move as far as I can see,” said O’Shea.
“When South Kerry were dominating the county championship, there was all this talk that the divisional teams were too strong. Then it swings around with Dr Crokes being the best team in the county so they want to make the divisional teams stronger.”
“There is no system that can make these teams good or bad, these things go in cycles. Creating a different system will not create better players,” he said
The two finalists of the senior club championship this year, Dingle and Dr Crokes, are exempt from the relegation groups.
The nine senior club sides going into the hat are: Kerins O’Rahilly’s, Austin Stacks, Ardfert, Kilcummin, Rathmore, Legion, Laune Rangers, St Michael’s Foilmore, Milltown/Castlemaine.
“The county board are killing the senior clubs with this. The intermediate and junior grades are becoming stronger since the club All-Ireland championships were brought in in those competitions.”
“The reason why the county championship is being affected is because club players are not feeding into the divisional sides [in their area] so those teams become weaker, which makes the competition weaker. I just don’t see how dropping three clubs out of the championship can fix that.”
“They say the idea of the divisional teams is to allow players from smaller clubs to be seen playing in the senior championship, but that doesn’t make players better or unearth players for the Kerry senior team. We’re in the age of technology with twitter and mobile phones that any good player that’s in the county is known from the age of 12 or 13,” he said.
The issue of where and when these relegation matches can be played could prove a headache for clubs in an already jam-packed schedule.
“If Kerry have a successful year, which we all hope they do, how are they going to fit in all these fixtures? Are we going to be playing for relegation in January and February? There will be no games played in July, August and September so we could be playing the relegation matches in winter,” said O’Shea.
“Weakening the senior clubs is going to weaken Kerry football. I think the system that is proposed is just doing its best to absolutely demoralise the clubs which are the lifeblood of the association. If we’re going to start putting senior clubs down, it’s going to have a knock-on effect long term,” he said.
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Post by diego on May 21, 2015 18:21:40 GMT
Agree with most of what Barry O'Shea is saying there.
There is no evidence to suggest that taking 3 clubs out of senior grade will make the competition any better.
As far as I can remember there weren't too many complaining about an uncompetitive championship in 2014.
It wasn't down to the weak getting stronger, but more the strong getting weaker due to Gooch's injury which meant the Crokes were not streets ahead of the rest and levelled the playing field a bit.
If Gooch reverts to more human levels of performace after his lay off, then there'll be no need for this culling of what is already a small herd of senior clubs.
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Post by Mickmack on May 21, 2015 18:40:39 GMT
Shoving senior clubs down to Intermediate is going to deflate the likes of Castleisland, St Marys, Spa etc etc who are trying to have their day out in Croke Park at Intermediate. A run all the way to Croke Park does wonders for a club. Look at Brosna. Its only a short while ago they won a Novice I think.
The minor panel shows that lots of smallish clubs are producing good players and the prospect of winning intermediate and junior all Irelands is (or was until now) a realistic target for these.
The benefits of changing things are not that apparent or great.
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