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Post by seaniebo on Mar 17, 2015 0:46:40 GMT
I wasn't able to make this particular game so the reports on the forum are as ever insightful. I did see the match on the box. One point I will make is that it was frustrating that we weren't able to kill off the game and work a few handy scores when we had total dominance in the second half. It took a very fortuitous goal to give us daylight. Paul Geaney was quiet enough all day but showed some great thievery to win a ball he'd no right to. The result of this game was very much up for grabs prior to this goal and this despite us having the world of possession to kill it off. Plenty to work on.
Barry John may not have had his best day but the fact is he won plenty ball and had a cut. He strikes me as the kind of guy who if he slots one will slot them all. That's no bad thing. Barry John will have a big say in matters come championship.
It was a very keenly contested affair. Donegal showed that they will be a match for most when it matters. I recall them getting hammered off the pitch in Killarney a couple of years back and they went on to defeat us in the championship. Was that the year they won the All Ireland?
I wonder why Buckley has been removed from his place kicking duties. He was a dab hand at it in the absence of Sheehan at any time in the past. Buckley has become a colossus of a player for us. Fair play to him. He's ability to turn over ball is second to none.
Our defending as a whole has improved to a serious standard. The platform they gave us the last day was huge. But it was a day where our forwards were more than disappointing in my opinion. Too often the wrong decision. Fair play to Alan Fitz when he came on. Looks steady in possession and is well able to kick from distance, a trait you'd expect any inter county forward to have in his locker.
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Post by sullyschoice on Mar 17, 2015 1:22:56 GMT
From watching the game again on the box the referee was even worse than I thought live. A very sub standard performance.
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Post by kerryexile on Mar 17, 2015 1:26:56 GMT
Watched the game on TV. When the Murphy incident happened there was a clear sharp intake of breath by the crowd on TV but it was not clear why. It looked like 2 players going for the ball, bigger fella wins the shoulder battle. Got a call from a person at the game at half time - someone very knowledgeable. He said that the ball was coming directly to Lyne. Murphy had to come 10/12 metres across the field to compete. He never once looked at the flight of the ball but jumped at Lyne and made it look like a genuine effort to win the ball. The discerning Kerry fans saw it for what it was.
I have lived in a number of different counties and in my time played in their championships. I found that there are things that become acceptable in the culture of weaker counties that may not comply 100% with the rules but the philosophy "what else could he do" applies. Referees from these counties bring this mentality to games with them.
"Read the flight of the ball" vs.. "What else could he do".
That is what makes us special.
I have seen numerous examples of this over the years. It happens in hurling too. I have seen Brian Cody bite his tongue on many occasions.
Buckley was outstanding. Griffin had one of his better games. I don't see McBrearty as the threat that some people say he is - he is a strong forceful player but he does not protect the ball when he is soloing. Young very effective - making a special role there for himself. M & M excellent at midfield. A lot of positives.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Mar 17, 2015 8:26:41 GMT
Is there anything to be said for taking short 45s in the absence of a quality free taker?
Johnny Buckley needs to work on a technique that works under pressure...and do we want Moran to drive the bus as well?
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Post by fitz on Mar 17, 2015 10:33:13 GMT
It reminds me a bit of rugby. A pile of lads on the ground with a ball somewhere inside the pile. The referee could give a penalty in either direction and you could probably justify either. To be honest the best 'out' for the choke is likely to drop the ball and try and 'soccer' it free. You can make full use of your arms and arse to give you some fighting chance, without resorting to fighting of course.Even if you lose out at least you haven't ceded a free so some pressure can be applied to the thief on his way out. Some time should be devoted in training to try to manage this better.
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Post by fitz on Mar 17, 2015 10:42:13 GMT
Is there anything to be said for taking short 45s in the absence of a quality free taker? Johnny Buckley needs to work on a technique that works under pressure...and do we want Moran to drive the bus as well? Moran has had decent form with distance frees in the last 2 years, but his eye and boot are out at the minute. King Buck is buzzing right now, confidence at serious altitude, loves possession, never panics under heat. He has great hands fielding but also 'ball carrying' hands. Great shaping from them. It would be good for him to resume some kicking duties. Remember we have Gooch, Hamez and Barry John for the 'short game' frees, but Sheehan is emphatically 'the man'.
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 17, 2015 11:06:22 GMT
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If there is one thing freshly distinctive about Kerry’s early spring league run it’s the clear and present danger of Johnny Buckley. He’s been in the Kerry team a long time, from minor on up, although not normally at this time of year.
Buckley’s performance in Sunday’s win over Donegal was certainly outstanding – arguably the man-of-the-match – yet he admits himself he’s a bit of a stranger to early spring football with his county, given he’s normally tied up with his club.
“It’s true,” he says, “that for last three or four years, we would have been involved with Dr Crokes, up to the All-Ireland semi-final stage. You are coming back in, after that, and it is difficult to totally refocus the mind when the other players have been training since the start of the year.
“Personally I have really enjoyed being there since the start, since last December, and working along with the team. Before, you’d be coming back into a team that have been training solidly, have played their McGrath Cup matches, and a couple of national league games.
“So it’s only natural that you are going to be a bit behind in trying to get a place. You are going to be fighting for positions. No more than last year, fellas are trying to hold onto jerseys when others rejoin the panel. It is more beneficial and enjoyable to be in with Kerry from the start of the year.”
The other difference about Buckley this spring is that he has an All-Ireland medal in his back pocket. He had won an All-Ireland under-21 title, back in 2008, but like most of the current Kerry panel, was perhaps beginning to question would ever win the real thing.
Not that his ambitions end with the one: “While it was great to get the medal last year, I don’t think it has a huge effect on this year. I would like to think we are as hungry as ever to win an All-Ireland. I know it is very early days, but there is a huge hunger in the team, to get a good national league in, train hard for the bit of the break and then have a good go off the championship again.
“You certainly wouldn’t be thinking about winning another All-Ireland medal at this time of the year. There is a slightly different mentality. At the moment, the focus is on getting a good league campaign, so really the All-Ireland isn’t having a huge bearing on our motivation or mentality at the moment.”
What also set apart Buckley’s performance on Sunday – along with the likes of David Moran and Anthony Maher – was the classic old school display of high fielding, apparently a dying art in the modern game.
“Well, that’s still vital in order to win primary possession,” he says. “On days when there is a breeze blowing, it is great that Brendan (Kealy) can kick it out to the middle, and boys will do their job. But it is something we work on, it is something we target.”
What is also driving Buckley this spring, he says, is the clichéd competition for places, especially true with the likes of Colm ‘Gooch’ Cooper and James O’Donoghue still to return to the forward line. After a two week break, Kerry finish up at home to Monaghan, then away to Tyrone, and Buckley intends to play as big a part in them.
“There is something about the league this year, teams going hammer and tongs, and if you’re one per cent off you get shown up, like we were last week against Cork. A lot of games are being played close to championship pace. So every fella gives it their all, because there are five or six players going for each place, that’s no exaggeration, and that’s the way it needs to be.”
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 17, 2015 11:27:19 GMT
Johnny Buckley needs to work on a technique that works under pressure...and do we want Moran to drive the bus as well? I dunno lads. Buckleys seems a lot happier not taking those frees. Remember that scuffed effort at the start of the 2013 semi final. The confidence seemed to drain away after that. We aint to going to replace Sheehans kicking ability with someone else just like that. His is a unique talent.
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Post by glengael on Mar 17, 2015 11:45:26 GMT
Is there anything to be said for taking short 45s in the absence of a quality free taker? Johnny Buckley needs to work on a technique that works under pressure...and do we want Moran to drive the bus as well? I've been beating that drum for a very, very long time Annascaul. The 45 in the 2nd half was on the wrong side for Moran and I was praying he'd take a quick short one and set up a forward in a scoreable position or take the return himself and go from further in. It's a waste otherwise and in any close game, particularly with some of the awful wides we were clocking up, you have to be taking those chances by whatever route you can. Kieran Donaghy wasn't one bit happy with Killian's effort for glory. On the TV highlights you get a glimpse of his reaction and his invitation to Killian to look around him.
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Post by jackeensabhog on Mar 17, 2015 15:15:15 GMT
Watched the game on TV. When the Murphy incident happened there was a clear sharp intake of breath by the crowd on TV but it was not clear why. It looked like 2 players going for the ball, bigger fella wins the shoulder battle. Got a call from a person at the game at half time - someone very knowledgeable. He said that the ball was coming directly to Lyne. Murphy had to come 10/12 metres across the field to compete. He never once looked at the flight of the ball but jumped at Lyne and made it look like a genuine effort to win the ball. The discerning Kerry fans saw it for what it was. I have lived in a number of different counties and in my time played in their championships. I found that there are things that become acceptable in the culture of weaker counties that may not comply 100% with the rules but the philosophy "what else could he do" applies. Referees from these counties bring this mentality to games with them. "Read the flight of the ball" vs.. "What else could he do". That is what makes us special. I have seen numerous examples of this over the years. It happens in hurling too. I have seen Brian Cody bite his tongue on many occasions. Buckley was outstanding. Griffin had one of his better games. I don't see McBrearty as the threat that some people say he is - he is a strong forceful player but he does not protect the ball when he is soloing. Young very effective - making a special role there for himself. M & M excellent at midfield. A lot of positives. Murphy took the man out. That's not acceptable anywhere. As for 'weaker' counties, I believe donegal have been in more finals than kerry in recent years. enough said. The only thing that makes you 'special' is how conceited you are. you aped donegal last year with a blanket defence.
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Post by southward on Mar 17, 2015 15:56:36 GMT
It reminds me a bit of rugby. A pile of lads on the ground with a ball somewhere inside the pile. The referee could give a penalty in either direction and you could probably justify either. To be honest the best 'out' for the choke is likely to drop the ball and try and 'soccer' it free. You can make full use of your arms and arse to give you some fighting chance, without resorting to fighting of course.Even if you lose out at least you haven't ceded a free so some pressure can be applied to the thief on his way out. Some time should be devoted in training to try to manage this better. I think Maher has the answer to the choke tackle after a high fetch; notice the way he often times it so he catches the ball on the run. Makes it difficult to get surrounded in that situation. With his size and momentum, anyone getting in his path is f*cked.
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Post by baurtregaum on Mar 17, 2015 17:40:04 GMT
Watched the game on TV. When the Murphy incident happened there was a clear sharp intake of breath by the crowd on TV but it was not clear why. It looked like 2 players going for the ball, bigger fella wins the shoulder battle. Got a call from a person at the game at half time - someone very knowledgeable. He said that the ball was coming directly to Lyne. Murphy had to come 10/12 metres across the field to compete. He never once looked at the flight of the ball but jumped at Lyne and made it look like a genuine effort to win the ball. The discerning Kerry fans saw it for what it was. I have lived in a number of different counties and in my time played in their championships. I found that there are things that become acceptable in the culture of weaker counties that may not comply 100% with the rules but the philosophy "what else could he do" applies. Referees from these counties bring this mentality to games with them. "Read the flight of the ball" vs.. "What else could he do". That is what makes us special. I have seen numerous examples of this over the years. It happens in hurling too. I have seen Brian Cody bite his tongue on many occasions. Buckley was outstanding. Griffin had one of his better games. I don't see McBrearty as the threat that some people say he is - he is a strong forceful player but he does not protect the ball when he is soloing. Young very effective - making a special role there for himself. M & M excellent at midfield. A lot of positives. Murphy took the man out. That's not acceptable anywhere. As for 'weaker' counties, I believe donegal have been in more finals than kerry in recent years. enough said. The only thing that makes you 'special' is how conceited you are. you aped donegal last year with a blanket defence. I think he was referring to Rory Hickey being from Clare, a county where football is, generally speaking, quite physical in my experience. This may have clouded his judgement. Fair point. I don't think he was having a swipe at Donegal, but don't let that stop you from developing that chip on your shoulder about Kerry. Kerry played their half backs in their positions last September. We didn't bape Donegal as much as some in the media would maintain.
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Post by fg on Mar 17, 2015 19:01:38 GMT
Watched the game on TV. When the Murphy incident happened there was a clear sharp intake of breath by the crowd on TV but it was not clear why. It looked like 2 players going for the ball, bigger fella wins the shoulder battle. Got a call from a person at the game at half time - someone very knowledgeable. He said that the ball was coming directly to Lyne. Murphy had to come 10/12 metres across the field to compete. He never once looked at the flight of the ball but jumped at Lyne and made it look like a genuine effort to win the ball. The discerning Kerry fans saw it for what it was. I have lived in a number of different counties and in my time played in their championships. I found that there are things that become acceptable in the culture of weaker counties that may not comply 100% with the rules but the philosophy "what else could he do" applies. Referees from these counties bring this mentality to games with them. "Read the flight of the ball" vs.. "What else could he do". That is what makes us special. I have seen numerous examples of this over the years. It happens in hurling too. I have seen Brian Cody bite his tongue on many occasions. Buckley was outstanding. Griffin had one of his better games. I don't see McBrearty as the threat that some people say he is - he is a strong forceful player but he does not protect the ball when he is soloing. Young very effective - making a special role there for himself. M & M excellent at midfield. A lot of positives. Murphy took the man out. That's not acceptable anywhere. As for 'weaker' counties, I believe donegal have been in more finals than kerry in recent years. enough said. The only thing that makes you 'special' is how conceited you are. you aped donegal last year with a blanket defence. Read the post a little more slowly this time, the reference was made about the ref and they coming from weaker footballing counties. re: Donegal being in more all-Irelands in recent years well don't let facts get in the way of a good rant, Donegal were involved In the all-Ireland finals of 2012 and 2014, Kerry were involved in the all-Ireland finals of 2000, 2002, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2011 and 2014 but hey whatever and again maybe you should study last years all-Ireland leaving aside your innate prejudice and actually make an informed decision about same.
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Post by jackeensabhog on Mar 17, 2015 19:17:23 GMT
Murphy took the man out. That's not acceptable anywhere. As for 'weaker' counties, I believe donegal have been in more finals than kerry in recent years. enough said. The only thing that makes you 'special' is how conceited you are. you aped donegal last year with a blanket defence. I think he was referring to Rory Hickey being from Clare, a county where football is, generally speaking, quite physical in my experience. This may have clouded his judgement. Fair point. I don't think he was having a swipe at Donegal, but don't let that stop you from developing that chip on your shoulder about Kerry. Kerry played their half backs in their positions last September. We didn't bape Donegal as much as some in the media would maintain. Seems to me that he was referring the to 'discerning Kerry fan' view of football versus the philistines or refs elsewhere. No need for me to develop a chip. I already have a massive one, but it's not against kerry, who have obviousy produced some great teams. it's directed at those who, oddly, think their culture is special in football matters. Next thing, we'll be hearing *e about 'pure' footbal. Kerry did what they needed to do to win last year, which by eamon Fitz own admission involved defending in numbers i.e. Blanket defence
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Post by stevieq on Mar 17, 2015 20:02:15 GMT
Tommy Walsh needs to start the next game. Huge fan of his. He basically kicked the life out of cork in the AI with two points one after the other...sent into orbit one from each foot. Magnificent stuff. Unfortunately, he's a long way off that level at the moment. He needs game time to get some kind of rhythm back. BJK had a night mare second half and was on his way off until he scored the goal. Can't see him starting come championship. Lad to bring in fresh with 10-15 mins to go. There's always a bit of reluctance with him to take on his man and tends to make snap deceisions - often the wrong one. Delighted to see Crowley, Enright and Young on. There's a bit of strength and physicality to these lads that was badly wanting against Cork. Maher, Moran, Buckley and Sheehan. ... Awesome stuff yesterday. With Colm and James to come back. You gotta feel good about the year. I would have been a BJK detractor over the years, but find myself now wanting to stand up for him. He had a bad game yesterday but he's been a strong player for us in the league til now, has two good feet, kicks good scores. You could see the goal meant an awful lot to him. He's a confidence player for sure. I think he'll likely miss out in Championship but he's pushing much harder and more convincingly than ever before. He's still young and is to be persevered with. He made key contributions in All Ireland final. Killian is playing the best I've seen from. He's very elusive in extricating himself from tackles and very accurate in possession. Star ate him though for not popping the ball to him to dunk in second half, I think the shot was well on, but he needed to stick it. Agree. I suppose BJK has always been competing for a position where we have been spoilt for choice. The bar for Kerry corner forwards is set extremely high. There is a just a split second hesitation in his play at times. Killian has developed an edge to his play that I haven't seen before. Playing with a lot of confidence and its a shame the goal didn't go in for him.
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 17, 2015 21:22:35 GMT
Killian was fully entitled to go for that goal attempt and put in the hard yardage to get into the position to pull the trigger. I'm surprised people are surprised at Killian's contribution to the game at the moment, he was always going to become a leader in the Kerry defence.
BJK is improving year on year in my opinion in the Kerry jersey.
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Post by southward on Mar 17, 2015 21:51:19 GMT
Killian was fully entitled to go for that goal attempt and put in the hard yardage to get into the position to pull the trigger. I'm surprised people are surprised at Killian's contribution to the game at the moment, he was always going to become a leader in the Kerry defence. BJK is improving year on year in my opinion in the Kerry jersey. Agree on both points. KD was a little out of order having a go at Killian.
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Post by sullyschoice on Mar 17, 2015 21:56:06 GMT
Killian Young is fast becoming a very influential member of the starting 15. I am delighted for him. He has come in for some criticism over the years. When I travelled up to Inniskeen the day Moran did his cruciate Killian came up to myself and my youngfella after the game and thanked us for travelling to support the team. He didnt know us but what he did made a big impression on the son. (And then Kieran Donaghy gave him his gloves).
Killian is very comfortable carrying the ball and I would have loved to see that goal hit the net. Someone has to pull the trigger and I wouldnt criticise him for backing himself.
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Post by fitz on Mar 17, 2015 22:29:40 GMT
Killian Young is fast becoming a very influential member of the starting 15. I am delighted for him. He has come in for some criticism over the years. When I travelled up to Inniskeen the day Moran did his cruciate Killian came up to myself and my youngfella after the game and thanked us for travelling to support the team. He didnt know us but what he did made a big impression on the son. (And then Kieran Donaghy gave him his gloves). Killian is very comfortable carrying the ball and I would have loved to see that goal hit the net. Someone has to pull the trigger and I wouldnt criticise him for backing himself. Was there that day too Sully. For me the day David Moran really announced he was about to become a serious player for Kerry. Alas...two years lost. We're more than thankful though now for the gem he has become. Killian is a great man with the sweeping brush, almost always seems to be to be in the right place, two/three times over in Pa's corner in first half, and a brilliant link passer.
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Post by fitz on Mar 17, 2015 22:32:46 GMT
Killian Young is fast becoming a very influential member of the starting 15. I am delighted for him. He has come in for some criticism over the years. When I travelled up to Inniskeen the day Moran did his cruciate Killian came up to myself and my youngfella after the game and thanked us for travelling to support the team. He didnt know us but what he did made a big impression on the son. (And then Kieran Donaghy gave him his gloves). Killian is very comfortable carrying the ball and I would have loved to see that goal hit the net. Someone has to pull the trigger and I wouldnt criticise him for backing himself. Was there that day too Sully. For me the day David Moran really announced he was about to become a serious player for Kerry. Alas...two years lost. We're more than thankful though now for the gem he has become. Killian is a great man with the sweeping brush, almost always seems to be to be in the right place, two/three times over in Pa's corner in first half, and a brilliant link passer. Almost an aside but I think Dessie Mone was mad for a flakefest that same day, was stuck in everyone
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Mar 17, 2015 23:01:40 GMT
Killian Young also tidied up his solo...it was a weakness but no more. Top, top player and absolutely flying.
They looked very fit the last day.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Mar 18, 2015 0:05:19 GMT
A fool I may be but I don't wish to compete with Veteran as our minder on here, but I will offer a bit of advice, and some will consider it while others will ignore. I did the latter myself in my younger years and I am not the better for it so I am nothing if I am not experienced on the subject. Challenging each other on here is part and parcel of communicating but we too often make the mistake of attacking the man instead of playing the ball. If one doesn't agree with an otherwise credible argument I'd either challenge it, or ignore it. Getting personal is not what Kerry is about, we never won Sam by knocking others, we won it by exploiting our own skill to the maximum and being better. Just remember, every bit of energy focused on the man is a bit less energy behind the ball. Ah no, I'm not meaning to be a know all, and no need to attack me, I mean well and I'm only passing on something positive that I didn't always take on board myself. Take another look at the Killian shot, the angle diminished in a split second, Star could have nailed it but it would have to be another miracle of his and this time it wasn't to be, nobody wins 'em all, not even us and if we did then life would be very boring! The second arrival of Killian is mouth watering and BJK will become a great like Granda. Slán go foill a chairdé go léir agus a belated happy St Paddy's from Ballythefireside. P.S. In honour of the greatest living Irishman that is Tómas Annascaultilidie who chose a line of mine as his signature claim to fame I am happy to return the compliment! Claim to flame from Ballythefireside, no bulls**t Tómas!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2015 9:39:27 GMT
In a way, Crokes not being involved in the club championship is a blessing in the disguise. It's really evident that Buckley is blossoming by being able to take advantatge of the league to bed in for the real stuff later on in the year.
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Post by glengael on Mar 18, 2015 11:03:40 GMT
Killian was fully entitled to go for that goal attempt and put in the hard yardage to get into the position to pull the trigger. I'm surprised people are surprised at Killian's contribution to the game at the moment, he was always going to become a leader in the Kerry defence. BJK is improving year on year in my opinion in the Kerry jersey. What surprises me is that it took Killian so long to take up that leadership role KG. Last year was really the first year I saw consistent ledership in him and he had been on the senior team since 2007, when if I'm not mistaken he was young player of the year. Now I'll grant you I don't get to as many League matches as others here so I may not be as broadly knowledgable as many of the rest of you. But to me last year was the 1st time I saw Killian becoming, in the words of his former mentor, "a man for the trenches".
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Post by collinswotth1 on Mar 18, 2015 12:50:24 GMT
Killian Had to shoot from what was a point blank situation To pass would have been crazy He just mis kicked it and. maybe lacked a wee bit of confidence Kieran was probably not complaining to Killian he was just probably so frustrated at such a point blank missed opportunity . Also probably would have done better with his left leg in that situation. All players need to have the skill and confidence to score Including wing backs and corner backs even.
Our wing forwards need to be more of a scoring threat And Anyhony needs to shoot for scores more often to round out his game and keep the opposition midfielders On the back foot .at least now and again.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Mar 18, 2015 13:06:43 GMT
It was on his right which is not so natural for him and he did kinda scuff it. It's not the end of the world --- Star was milliseconds from it.
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Post by fitz on Mar 18, 2015 14:12:47 GMT
Think he just took his eye off it, so only part of his instep connected. Like a sunshine golfer lifting his head (am full member). Star was definitely giving him lackery over it - which is bad. Never openly criticize a team mate on the pitch, concedes psychological ground however minimal. Save it for the dressing room.
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Post by Jigz84 on Mar 18, 2015 15:21:33 GMT
Killian went through a couple of bad years form wise for Kerry but all credit to him on the way he's performed since recovering from his injury. He drove Kerry on in the second half of last year's All-Ireland and could easily have been named Man of the Match. Great performance last Sunday and long may it continue.
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Post by sullyschoice on Mar 18, 2015 16:04:23 GMT
Was there that day too Sully. For me the day David Moran really announced he was about to become a serious player for Kerry. Alas...two years lost. We're more than thankful though now for the gem he has become. Killian is a great man with the sweeping brush, almost always seems to be to be in the right place, two/three times over in Pa's corner in first half, and a brilliant link passer. Almost an aside but I think Dessie Mone was mad for a flakefest that same day, was stuck in everyone I think Dessie is like that most days
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Post by southward on Mar 18, 2015 18:23:29 GMT
Almost an aside but I think Dessie Mone was mad for a flakefest that same day, was stuck in everyone I think Dessie is like that most days John Paul the same. I remember Tommy Walsh's first season as senior. We played Monaghan in the quarters. J.P. (I think) charged at Tommy early on, no doubt to "soften up the young lad". Tommy put him on his arse. Message sent. There'll be plenty of it on offer the next day,I'd say.
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