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Post by kerrygold on Mar 10, 2015 8:47:49 GMT
Now that the wake is over from the Cork game there is the small matter of the rerun of the 2014 All-Ireland Final at the weekend.
It should make for a fascinating tie with Kerry to get back up on the horse and drive on again. Two home wins are vital now if Kerry are to have ambitions of winning the league in 2015.
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Post by donegalman on Mar 10, 2015 12:05:30 GMT
Likely to get 4 points from 4 in the home games. I think that as a strategy, it is vital to get 6 points at home,and this is the way it is shaping up for you. I think that the league may not be important per say, but avoiding relegation is a must. Kerry may benefit from a semi final appearance as well but I dont think that it is going to be a deal breaker if you dont. We are probably going to circle the wagons again, and I am neither happy nor confident about this.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2015 16:59:07 GMT
This a must win i think to avoid relegation . If we lose here it would probably come to a must win in Tyrone and that will be hard to do . Knowing Tyrone they would love to send us to Division 2 . There has to be changes in the Backs . I would love to give Donaghy a rest but this game is important so I think you have to start him . He needs a break though coming straight from the Stacks . I would go with 1 B.Kealy 2 P.Kilkenny 3 M.Griffin 4 S.Enright 5 F.Fitzgerald 6 P.Crowley 7 K.Young 8 A.Maher (if fit) 9 D.Moran 10 BJ Keane 11 B.Sheehan 12 J.Buckley (start Midfield if Maher can't make it ) 13 A.Fitzgerald (give him a chance ) 14 K.Donaghy 15 P.Geaney (if Fit) S.O'Brien ( if not ) . If Maher can't make it and Buckley goes to midfield I would like to give Paul O'Donoghue a chance . J.Lyne , J.Sherwood , M.Geaney , T.Walsh , and maybe S.O'Callaghan to get a chance . Not trying to be Biased but surprised Daithi Casey , Gavin O'Grady , David Culhane and Marcus Mangan not getting a look .
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 10, 2015 19:46:31 GMT
The ability to kick 6 or 7 long range points will be crucial.
The two goals in the final papered over a very poor return from attempts for long range points.
I was going to suggest that Sheehan should be given a break but his long range points from frees could be crucial.
I would give Fionn a rest. He looks like he needs it to recharge.
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Post by shannonsider on Mar 10, 2015 19:46:31 GMT
This a must win i think to avoid relegation . If we lose here it would probably come to a must win in Tyrone and that will be hard to do . Knowing Tyrone they would love to send us to Division 2 . There has to be changes in the Backs . I would love to give Donaghy a rest but this game is important so I think you have to start him . He needs a break though coming straight from the Stacks . I would go with 1 B.Kealy 2 P.Kilkenny 3 M.Griffin 4 S.Enright 5 F.Fitzgerald 6 P.Crowley 7 K.Young 8 A.Maher (if fit) 9 D.Moran 10 BJ Keane 11 B.Sheehan 12 J.Buckley (start Midfield if Maher can't make it ) 13 A.Fitzgerald (give him a chance ) 14 K.Donaghy 15 P.Geaney (if Fit) S.O'Brien ( if not ) . If Maher can't make it and Buckley goes to midfield I would like to give Paul O'Donoghue a chance . J.Lyne , J.Sherwood , M.Geaney , T.Walsh , and maybe S.O'Callaghan to get a chance . Not trying to be Biased but surprised Daithi Casey , Gavin O'Grady , David Culhane and Marcus Mangan not getting a look . Swap BJK and Fitzgerald and I'd be inclined to agree with most of that team. I would give Lyne another go at no.5 though. He doesn't deserve to be dropped as much as others based on Sunday. Fionn is a better player when he's in top form, but no harm to see what Lyne can do now. Murphy needs to stop getting black cards so he might be on the bench as a lesson aswell. Another guy I'd like to get a run is Podge O'Connor from Legion. Was excellent for UCC in the Sigerson and is well able to handle the physical stuff. Marcus Mangan in in the U.S studying I was told. Don't know what's going on with the others.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Mar 10, 2015 20:33:32 GMT
I would agree that this game might be made for a more physical player like Dáithí Casey or even Galvin. Can we afford to have Sheehan on the sideline or can we afford to carry a free taker? Tralee is quite a tight pitch so a lot of frees would be in Keane's range. I assume Paul Geaney is back fit as is Maher so a Donaghy, Keane, Geaney full forward line looks the best choice to me. I would love to see O'Brien, Tommy Walsh and Mikey Geaney on the 40 with Buckley, Sheehan and Galvin all second half introductions. Given that Donegal probably throw 14 players behind the ball, they have gone even more defensive under Gallagher, I would expect Donaghy or Buckley to hang around the middle to assist Maher and Moran. I also would expect Paul Murphy and Fionn Fitzgerald to switch as Fionn is much better at the half backs. As half back line of Lyne, Crowley and Fitzgerald should be the way to go. A full back line of Enright, Griffin and Murphy. Kelly in goals if fit.
So I would go for: Kelly Murphy, Griffin, Enright Lyne, Crowley, Fitzgerald Maher, Moran O'Brien, Walsh, Geaney Keane, Donaghy, Geaney
Subs: Kealy, Galvin, Kilkenny, Sheehan, Buckley, Young, Sherwood, A. Fitzgerald, Shane O'Callaghan, Casey, Philip O'Connor,
Any update on Darren O'Sulivan, Gooch, James O'Donoghue, Marc Ó Sé, Donnchadh and Aidan? Suppose they will all sit out the league?
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Post by Jigz84 on Mar 10, 2015 20:41:09 GMT
Kelly to get his first appearance of the year, Fionn given a break, Crowley at 6 and Killian also starting. This is a must win game.
Kelly, Murphy, Griffin, Enright, Lyne, Crowley, Young, Maher, Moran, O'Brien, Sheehan, Buckley, BJ Keane, Donaghy, P Geaney
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Post by southward on Mar 10, 2015 22:50:34 GMT
Likely to get 4 points from 4 in the home games. I think that as a strategy, it is vital to get 6 points at home,and this is the way it is shaping up for you. I think that the league may not be important per say, but avoiding relegation is a must. Kerry may benefit from a semi final appearance as well but I dont think that it is going to be a deal breaker if you dont. We are probably going to circle the wagons again, and I am neither happy nor confident about this. We're not falling for any of your poor-mouth stuff, donegalman. You'll have to do better than that effort at least
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Post by sullyschoice on Mar 10, 2015 23:19:28 GMT
Killian Young has impressed me when he has made his appearances. He is very comfortable on the ball.
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Post by donegalman on Mar 10, 2015 23:54:50 GMT
I am not confident, and am basing this on last sundays game as well as our general performances bar the second half of the derry game. We have a lousy record on the road in division 1 as well, the last game we won away was v westmeath in 2009. Put it to you like this southward, I would much rather be in your shoes than ours!
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Post by buck02 on Mar 11, 2015 8:56:10 GMT
This a must win i think to avoid relegation . If we lose here it would probably come to a must win in Tyrone and that will be hard to do . Knowing Tyrone they would love to send us to Division 2 . There has to be changes in the Backs . I would love to give Donaghy a rest but this game is important so I think you have to start him . He needs a break though coming straight from the Stacks . I would go with 1 B.Kealy 2 P.Kilkenny 3 M.Griffin 4 S.Enright 5 F.Fitzgerald 6 P.Crowley 7 K.Young 8 A.Maher (if fit) 9 D.Moran 10 BJ Keane 11 B.Sheehan 12 J.Buckley (start Midfield if Maher can't make it ) 13 A.Fitzgerald (give him a chance ) 14 K.Donaghy 15 P.Geaney (if Fit) S.O'Brien ( if not ) . If Maher can't make it and Buckley goes to midfield I would like to give Paul O'Donoghue a chance . J.Lyne , J.Sherwood , M.Geaney , T.Walsh , and maybe S.O'Callaghan to get a chance . Not trying to be Biased but surprised Daithi Casey , Gavin O'Grady , David Culhane and Marcus Mangan not getting a look . The had to chance to do so in 2014 and 2013 and failed. Surprised the game is in Tralee, I would have taken Donegal to Killarney to gain full advantage from the venue.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Mar 11, 2015 9:18:20 GMT
Killarney would suit us better, but we do have to play some games in Tralee. Dublin would have been better contained in Tralee, but this way we are much better tested. To me the league are 7 full-on, high intensity training games and Donegal will test us better than most. In my opinion Monaghan can be beaten, but Donegal and Tyrone will be very tough. If we can beat Donegal and Monaghan we could be looking at staying in division 1 another year. Win all 3 and we are in the semi finals. We don't want to be peaking yet and the focus now should be on hard training. Speed, condition and agility and all that will come later in the year when it matters more. Kerry looked flat and tiresome so far which might indicate the training they are getting now is indeed very tough. No harm in that at all. It will mean they can rest more later in the year and focus on other aspects. Tis March so I wouldn't be too worried. Donegal will be tough and dogged but a very good test for our backs. A win would be nice, but all is not lost if we lose.
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Post by Jigz84 on Mar 11, 2015 9:44:21 GMT
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Mar 11, 2015 12:05:52 GMT
There's only 3 intelligent words in that article and they are the first 3: former Donegal selector
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Post by lár na páirce on Mar 11, 2015 13:53:33 GMT
This is the team i would like to see out Sunday
Brian Kelly
Shane Enright Mark Griffin Pa Kilkenny
Peter Crowley Jack Sherwood Killian Young
David Moran Anthony Maher
Alan Fitzgerald Bryan Sheehan Johnny Buckley
Paul Geaney Kieran Donaghy Barry John Keane
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Fionn Fitzgerald Jonathan Lyne Paul Murphy Michael Geaney Stephen O’Brien Tommy Walsh
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Mar 11, 2015 14:35:20 GMT
Somehow decided to watch the Cork v Donegal 2009 quarter final. It was Colm O'Neills first start for the Seniors after coming on as a sub in the Munster quarter final v Waterford, in the drawn semi final with Kerry and the munster final with Limerick. It was also the first year with the seniors for a 19 year old Michael Murphy. Cork and Donegal both played a very open game and Cork destroyed Donegal though the final score is more than flattering for the northerners. Donegal went back to the drawing board as we know and the next year they were beaten by Down in Ulster and hammered by Armagh in the qualifiers. That led to the end of John Joe Doherty as a manager, the appointment of Jim McGuinness, and the rest is history. Despite being on the losing side that day Michael Murphy put in a man of the match performance and it made his reputation as Donegal's main man.
Colm O'Neill would of course replace James Masters as Cork's main man and then would get injured in 2011 only being fully back this year.
One thing that stands out just how little Donegal have really changed in personnel though Cork went through a huge change. The Cork team that day: A Quirke, R Carey, M Shields, K O’Connor, N O'Leary, G Canty (0-01), J Miskella (0-04), A O'Connor, N Murphy, P Kerrigan (1-4), P O'Neill (0-02), P Kelly (0-02), D Goulding (0-03), C O’Neill (0-02), D O'Connor (0-04, 3f). Substitute: F Goold (0-3) for O’Connor (44), F Lynch for O’Neill (50), M Cussen for Murphy (53), P Kissane (0-02) for Miskella (56), J Hayes for Kerrigan (61)
The Donegal team: M Boyle, F McGlynn, N McGee, K Lacey, B Dunnion, B Monaghan (0-01), E McGee (0-01), B Boyle, K Cassidy, R Kavanagh (1-00), B Roper (0-01), L McLoone, C Dunne, M Murphy (0-06, 3f), C McFadden. Substitute: D Walsh for McLoone (h-t), S Griffin (1-00) for Roper (h-t), D Gallagher for Boyle (48), A Hanlon (0-01) for Dunne (50), E Wade for E Magee (56) Cork wasted 4 goal chances and could have won by even more. Donegal had no defensive shape at all and were unable to contain Cork in midfield and Cork's forwards destroyed their backs. Surprising if you see the McGees in there. Cork struggled in the Munster final to beat Limerick, but the Donegal game set up a semi final with Tyrone, who they subsequently destroyed. Since then a lot of the Cork forwards are still there, with a few additions, but midfield and the backs are almost entirely different. It shows though that using the right tactics gets a lot more out of the same players as well as identifying the weak points and finding the men to close those gaps. That truly is Jimmy's legacy: taking a team that were being hammered and played away and reorganise them. He did away with the players he couldn't use for his strategy and found the players he needed. Durcan replaced Boyle and Jimmy unearthed a few other players. The lesson here then is that a system and/or strategy can get the best out of players and McGuinness was the master of this. Eamonn has raised this to a new level though and clearly targets certain games though the Cork game wasn't supposed to plan out this way. So far we have not exactly set the world alight and we are just battling along. Wins at Derry and v Dublin were laboured, but deserved and at times Kerry played some great football. Two hammering at the hands of Mayo and Cork leaves us with 3 vital games. I have no doubt at all that we can win this game if we get the tactics right. Donegal have their best team out already whereas we are missing a lot of players, but the right tactics will win even the toughest games.
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Post by southward on Mar 11, 2015 17:46:12 GMT
I am not confident, and am basing this on last sundays game as well as our general performances bar the second half of the derry game. We have a lousy record on the road in division 1 as well, the last game we won away was v westmeath in 2009. Put it to you like this southward, I would much rather be in your shoes than ours! OK, that's better but I'm still not biting. Underselling the team is our thing so don't be trying to kid a kidder now What's the Ulster word for yerra ? Seriously though, the way this league is going, no-one ought to be confident of any game.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Mar 11, 2015 18:08:57 GMT
I am not confident, and am basing this on last sundays game as well as our general performances bar the second half of the derry game. We have a lousy record on the road in division 1 as well, the last game we won away was v westmeath in 2009. Put it to you like this southward, I would much rather be in your shoes than ours! OK, that's better but I'm still not biting. Underselling the team is our thing so don't be trying to kid a kidder now What's the Ulster word for yerra ? Seriously though, the way this league is going, no-one ought to be confident of any game. Aye, right so you are
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Post by falveyb2k on Mar 11, 2015 18:29:12 GMT
Donegal have form with this type of thing, Gallagher was in the paper before they played Mayo in the quarters a few years ago stirring it in the same fashion. Above this article in the examiner today is an article with Mourinho trying the same trick with PSG saying they're the most agressive team he's played this season. This crap has no place in sport, trying to undermine referees and teams before a game is played is disgusting, Diver should be very disappointed in himself this evening
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Mar 11, 2015 18:33:50 GMT
Donegal have form with this type of thing, Gallagher was in the paper before they played Mayo in the quarters a few years ago stirring it in the same fashion. Above this article in the examiner today is an article with Mourinho trying the same trick with PSG saying they're the most agressive team he's played this season. This crap has no place in sport, trying to undermine referees and teams before a game is played is disgusting, Diver should be very disappointed in himself this evening Is Diver a lone wolf though or acting on behalf of......
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Post by southward on Mar 11, 2015 19:15:14 GMT
Donegal have form with this type of thing, Gallagher was in the paper before they played Mayo in the quarters a few years ago stirring it in the same fashion. Above this article in the examiner today is an article with Mourinho trying the same trick with PSG saying they're the most agressive team he's played this season. This crap has no place in sport, trying to undermine referees and teams before a game is played is disgusting, Diver should be very disappointed in himself this evening Agreed. This is the ugly face of modern GAA and its anything-to steal-an-edge mentality. Whipping up animosities among players and supporters too. And this before a league game - Jesus Christ!, are they that desperate ? Jim Gavin at the same crap last week with scurrilous lies about Fionn. Croke Park needs to come down hard on this sort of nonsense; it's beyond merely unsporting. In other walks of life, people get sued for this sort of sh*te
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 11, 2015 19:49:32 GMT
Kerry will have to get used to this kind of thing. They won't be wanted around the place come August and the various campaigns will kick into full swing to undermine them. We've seen the start of it in recent weeks from various quarters. You'd thing Donaghy was a leper about to jump over the fence into the crowd with some of the comments from the stands over the past two weekends.
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Post by glengael on Mar 11, 2015 19:53:40 GMT
Kerry people are cynical alright Damian. it helps when dealing with what passes informed comment on Gaelic Football these days.
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Post by fitz on Mar 11, 2015 20:54:48 GMT
This is the team i would like to see out Sunday Brian Kelly Shane Enright Mark Griffin Pa Kilkenny Peter Crowley Jack Sherwood Killian Young David Moran Anthony Maher Alan Fitzgerald Bryan Sheehan Johnny Buckley Paul Geaney Kieran Donaghy Barry John Keane SubsFionn Fitzgerald Jonathan Lyne Paul Murphy Michael Geaney Stephen O’Brien Tommy Walsh A very logical selection. Paul Murphy has probably got some penance, whether he thinks hard done by or not. He's going to be a great, so reflection and analysis of his tackling for a couple of weeks will shake off the sending off bad feeling and remove any focus on him. Fionn will improve as the days get longer and the grass gets drier, when power as a requirement diminishes. Matching him up with Hurley won't work any day however. Enright is the best man for him. I think they want more football from Bryan so even though he could and should be dropped for this week based on performance last week. It was very clumsy and awkward. I think it would be best for us if his form improved as his free taking is vital in tight attrition based games Good to see Shane starting and hopefully Alan Fitz will kick on from a fine cameo amidst complete second half malfunction. Jon Lyne is a good athlete and can kick scores, and my from limited viewing of him he seems a better half forward, and for me the last two games kind of passed him by. His body language is seeming of someone who's unsure what his role is and is then playing that way.
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Post by Deise Exile on Mar 11, 2015 21:49:42 GMT
Donegal have form with this type of thing, Gallagher was in the paper before they played Mayo in the quarters a few years ago stirring it in the same fashion. Above this article in the examiner today is an article with Mourinho trying the same trick with PSG saying they're the most agressive team he's played this season. This crap has no place in sport, trying to undermine referees and teams before a game is played is disgusting, Diver should be very disappointed in himself this evening All this making the all ireland last year the sweeter
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Post by ansúilleabhánach on Mar 12, 2015 7:20:19 GMT
...Durcan replaced Boyle... And boy do we owe Mr. McGuinness our thanks for that!
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Post by donegalman on Mar 12, 2015 11:03:48 GMT
...Durcan replaced Boyle... And boy do we owe Mr. McGuinness our thanks for that! We forgave him a long time ago for that. He also had many many good days and seems to have gotten his confidence back now. Re the game, is there any chance at all if we will see Gooch on sunday, and when is he likely to be back? Reading other threads about Diver, he is not getting much support or sympathy from the country nor from many inside the county either. Disappointing.
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Post by southward on Mar 12, 2015 11:20:09 GMT
And boy do we owe Mr. McGuinness our thanks for that! We forgave him a long time ago for that. He also had many many good days and seems to have gotten his confidence back now. Re the game, is there any chance at all if we will see Gooch on sunday, and when is he likely to be back? Reading other threads about Diver, he is not getting much support or sympathy from the country nor from many inside the county either. Disappointing. Glad to hear that, donegalman, fair play. We don't need this sh*te in the game. No chance of the Gooch. Doubt we'll see him in the league at all.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Mar 12, 2015 11:21:00 GMT
And boy do we owe Mr. McGuinness our thanks for that! We forgave him a long time ago for that. He also had many many good days and seems to have gotten his confidence back now. Re the game, is there any chance at all if we will see Gooch on sunday, and when is he likely to be back? Reading other threads about Diver, he is not getting much support or sympathy from the country nor from many inside the county either. Disappointing. No chance at all in my opinion of seeing the Gooch or JOD back for this game. By his own admission Eamon and Gooch has said that it most likely won't happen until the semi finals, if we reach them at all. The risk being a further injury to the Gooch, which would be a huge blow. We managed without him, but losing him again would be a huge mental blow to Kerry. JOD is recovering so might not see any league matches at all and again there I think we need to wrap him in cotton wool for now. There's bigger things to come. Darren is also still out as far as I know. I don't believe Marc and Aidan will be back either, though I believe Aidan is training again and Darren is very close to full recovery. I think Diver is acting as a lone wolf and what I hear from Donegal people is that they are just as disappointed with his comments. Needless and rubbish. Do you rate Gallagher as highly as McGuinness?So far he seems to have just taken what McGuinness was doing and gone even further in that. He doesn't seem to have the same tactical and analytical ability though. I wonder what people in Donegal make of him so far?
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Mar 12, 2015 12:36:54 GMT
Mikey Sheehy expects Donegal to be hit by a Kerry backlash in Tralee on Sunday.
The All-Ireland champions were humiliated by neighbours Cork in Pairc Ui Rinn last weekend and selector Sheehy is demanding a fitting response when the Ulster champions visit Austin Stack Park in three days.
"We have another game on Sunday to be focusssing on. I expect a good, positive response and hopefully we at least get a better performance against Donegal," the Kingdom legend says in The Kerryman. "We had a good chat with the players after the game on Sunday and the main thing now is to be positive on Sunday.
"Last year when Cork thrashed us in Tralee it was our last league game and we had twelve weeks before our next game. This time, we have more games to come, starting with Donegal on Sunday.
"There's no better way to get back up on the horse. Donegal, as we know, are tough. It will be a tough game. Cork had their own motivations last Sunday and Donegal won't lack for motivation either."
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