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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Mar 2, 2015 19:34:57 GMT
Just wondering if Philip Horan , Desmonds but originally Cordal, played senior whilst with Cordal or Desmonds? Wasn't he already with Desmonds when he made a league appearance? With Tim Lyons I'm not sure. He might have been with Cordal still when he played his first league game with Kerry. Weeshie will be able to answer that I'm sure.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Mar 2, 2015 19:47:33 GMT
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Post by classicfc on Mar 2, 2015 19:58:41 GMT
The Michael Geaney experiment continues to baffle me I must say. Do you honestly think a player who was introduced at half time on All Ireland Final day is viewed as an experiment in the eyes of our manager? It was no wonder Paidi was driven to remark that "Kerry supporters are the roughest type of f#####g animals." The criticism meted out to our players on this forum at times borders on the ridiculous, these players aren't Premiership players insulated against throwaway comments by wads of cash. Granted in Kerry we demand high standards of our players but boy do our players go above and beyond in their efforts to meet our demands. It isn't just Mikey Geaney who has been thrown to the lions on this forum if we hark back to the 2013 semi final I'd imagine the same people who are lavishing praise on Jack Sherwood today were consigning him to the scrapheap back then. Many moons ago I witnessed men wearing Green and Gold (I don't want to tarnish the word supporter) spit vitriol in the direction of a Kerry player who's only fault was that he, along with his teammates, were straining every muscle in the pursuit of victory but unfortunately were coming up short. Despite my tender years this wasn't a scenario I was unaccustomed to but it opened my eyes to the fact that in Kerry no player is safe from stinging abuse. The game, Kerry v Kildare 1998 All Ireland semi-final, the player, a forward who kicked us to victory in the previous years final with a performance for the ages. In the age of the keyboard warrior criticism is now omnipresent but some on this forum need to weigh up what is fair with what is simply unnecessary!
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Post by Ard Mhacha on Mar 2, 2015 20:28:00 GMT
What did ye make of the "challenge" by Fitzsimons? Was there even a belt? He got sent off for stupidity surely? So there was nothing dangerous about it?
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Post by southward on Mar 2, 2015 20:33:56 GMT
What did ye make of the "challenge" by Fitzsimons? Was there even a belt? He got sent off for stupidity surely? Jim Gavin made a pathetic insinuation that Fionn dived. Looked to me like Fitzsimons ran at him with both fists up. Not swinging, to be fair, but they connected with his head all the same. In that situation, even with the best will in the world, you're going to be knocked over at least.
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Post by veteran on Mar 2, 2015 20:55:23 GMT
Was there even a belt? He got sent off for stupidity surely? So there was nothing dangerous about it? He deservedly got sent off because be ran about twenty yards and recklessly made a frontal charge on Fionn Fitzgerald. Apart from being dangerous it was utterly stupid because Fionn was apart from the melee at that stage and, accordingly ,the attack was clearly visible to all who wanted to see. Jim Gavin felt Fionn went down too easily! I was a bit disappointed with some of Jim Gavin's comments in the media today, saying that Dublin came down to play football, not to get involved with officials, not to feign fouls , that a lot of their cards were reactionary etc. The inference I take from those remarks is that their opponents were guilty of holding those ideals in lesser regard. I suggest Jim that , when you have s spare moment, you might benefit from having a look at a recording of the match. Certainly, there was a degree, more than a degree, of nastiness in the game but the boys in blue were enthusiastic participants in the tango. Indeed so enthusiastic were they that very often they encouraged the natives to get involved in that tango. I suppose it just shows that too often we see only what we want to see.
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 2, 2015 20:58:33 GMT
Conor McKeon– Evening Herald
GIVEN it was a League game at the beginning of March in which snow fell, the reaction of the Kerry crowd in Fitzgerald Stadium to the full-time whistle which confirmed a 0-15 to 1-10 win over Dublin might ordinarily be considered disproportional.
But so fractious, to the point of spiteful, had the exchanges sporadically been - not to mention Dublin's recent enjoyment of superiority over Kerry - that they cheered this one with brio.
With good cause.
Last year, Kerry lost their first three League games, retired a cluster of their finest ever footballers, and won an All-Ireland with a load of kids.
Yet here they were, giving it to Dublin in Killarney, where they had lost their last two meetings with their recent bête noire, just because...well, they could.
More.
They did it principally through organised and skilful tackling from a brilliant defence they don't apparently possess.
They did it, also, through targeting the Dublin kick-out, a traditional party piece of theirs...but more of that later.
"Dublin have a great record again us in the recent past," Eamonn Fitzmaurice noted afterwards.
"I think going back to the 2011 (All-Ireland) final, I think we haven't beat them once since in the league, other than February 2012.
"Other than that, league and championship they've beaten us every time since.
"Big motivation from our point of view to win the game today and to try and arrest that record," he admitted.
"Dublin were anxious to hold onto it for obvious reasons.
"It was always going to be a physical encounter and that's the way it turned out."
It did. But back to those Dublin kick-outs.
To give Seán Currie his credit, he made one brilliant save from Paul Geaney and the men he found from restarts, he earned.
But through a mix of Kerry's zealous organisation, the schizophrenic weather conditions, and some poor execution from Currie, Dublin coughed up five points directly from their own kick-outs and a couple of good - if ultimately spurned - goal chances.
"When we got on top of it - after half time especially it definitely - gave us a platform to attack Dublin," Fitzmaurice agreed.
"To be fair to Dublin, when they do get it away they are so effective.
"They are excellent at getting it up the field and getting scores as they did a couple of times in the first half.
"In the second half we did a bit better on it all right."
STRUGGLED
Jim Gavin accepted that Dublin had struggled with the restarts, adding "but then we found our ground again," although the difference between his team's productivity in this area with the currently sidelined Stephen Cluxton and without him is, even allowing for the elements, drastic.
It wasn't the only reason Dublin lost yesterday but it was a big one.
They actually led by 0-7 to 0-6 at half-time but Kerry scored eight of the first nine points of the second half, chiefly through their snaffling of the Dublin kick-out.
Kerry's finishing was excellent, too, particularly in the second half, when the snow/sleet/hailstones fell and Fitzgerald Stadium looked like the epicentre of an atmospheric apocolypse.
Dublin had good patches but none of their starting six forwards scored more than a point from play.
And without their outriders; Diarmuid Connolly, Paul Flynn, Alan Brogan or Michael Darragh Macauley, Dublin players found themselves with only Jack McCaffrey as any sort of support/running threat against a well-drilled, sturdy defence.
Save for Kevin McManamon or Eoghan O'Gara potentially mowing down a gang of Kerry defenders, goals were going to be impossible to create and when Dublin did eventually engineer one, it was those two who combined before a fortunate richochet off Bernard Brogan sent the ball to the Kerry net.
It would, all told, have been something of a crime had Dublin wrangled a result, though one they would have savoured.
It was unruly at times too.
Kieran Donaghy and Rory O'Carroll went at it as usual.
Neither claiming an individual victory or, for that matter, ceding any ground and Eddie Kinsella was busy.
For his part, McCaffrey was excellent early on, probing for space and taking two points, though he also let Johnny Buckley in for a pair himself.
Kerry tried to force Currie to kick to midfield and when he did, David Moran and in particular, Anthony Maher, were excellent.
Match File
Allianz Football League Division 1
Kerry 0-15 v Dublin 1-10
SCORERS - Kerry: B Sheehan 0-6 (4f, 1 '65), J Buckley, S O'Brien, BJ Keane 0-2 each, D Moran, M Geaney, P Geaney 0-1 each. Dublin: B Brogan 1-2 (0-1f), J McCaffrey 0-2, S Carthy, C Kilkenny, T Brady, D Rock (f), K McManamon, E O'Gara 0-1.
KERRY: B Kealy; P Kilkenny, M Griffin, F FItzgerald; J Lyne, J Sherwood, P Murphy; A Maher, D Moran; M Geaney, B Sheehan, J Buckley; S O'Brien, K Donaghy, P Geaney. Subs: BJ Keaney for M Geaney (h-t), K Young for Murphy (34 black card), T Walsh for P Geaney (59), S Enright for Kilkenny (61), A Fitzgerald for Sheehan (64), P O'Connor for O'Brien (68).
DUBLIN: S Currie; M Fitzsimons, R O'Carroll, D Daly; J Cooper, P McMahon, J McCaffrey; D Bastick, S Carthy; T Brady, D Rock, C Kilkenny; K McManamon, E O'Gara, C Costello. Subs: C O'Sullivan for Bastick (15 black card), B Brogan for Costello (h-t), P Andrews for Rock (45), N Devereux for McMahon (53 black card), B Fenton for Brady (57), E Lowndes for Cooper (64).
WIDES - Kerry: 5 (5 + 0). Dublin: 8 (4 + 4).
BOOKED - Kerry: 2 (Donaghy 46, Maher 74). Dublin: 5 (Brady 15, Costello 28, O'Carroll 46, O'Gara 68, Brogan 74).
BLACK CARD - Kerry: 2 (Murphy 34, Sherwood 69). Dublin: 2 (Bastick 15, McMahon 53).
SENT OFF - Kerry: 0. Dublin: 1 (Fitzsimons).
REF: E Kinsella (Laois). ATT: 6,000
MAN OF THE MATCH: A Maher (Kerry)
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Post by southward on Mar 2, 2015 21:19:08 GMT
So there was nothing dangerous about it? He deservedly got sent off because be ran about twenty yards and recklessly made a frontal charge on Fionn Fitzgerald. Apart from being dangerous it was utterly stupid because Fionn was apart from the melee at that stage and, accordingly ,the attack was clearly visible to all who wanted to see. Jim Gavin felt Fionn went down too easily! I was a bit disappointed with some of Jim Gavin's comments in the media today, saying that Dublin came down to play football, not to get involved with officials, not to feign fouls , that a lot of their cards were reactionary etc. The inference I take from those remarks is that their opponents were guilty of holding those ideals in lesser regard. I suggest Jim that , when you have s spare moment, you might benefit from having a look at a recording of the match. Certainly, there was a degree, more than a degree, of nastiness in the game but the boys in blue were enthusiastic participants in the tango. Indeed so enthusiastic were they that very often they encouraged the natives to get involved in that tango. I suppose it just shows that too often we see only what we want to see. Gavin trying to psyche out the refs for later in the year. Sneaky f*cker. Just watched the highlights again on TG4. Fionn got knocked down and got up instantly. Gavin owes him an apology.
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Mar 2, 2015 22:19:53 GMT
Well done to Kerry yesterday, a deserved win in trying conditions. It's great to see Jack Sherwood show his huge potential and I thought Moran and Maher were superb around the middle. A lot of their kick passing was superb. Our wing forwards were poor for much of the first half and time after time we were turned over. Sheehan was class throughout and he nailed some hugely important frees and made dublin play for their indiscipline.
I thought that Jim Gavin let himself down badly after the game. Gracious in defeat he certainly wasn't.
Looking forward to Pairc Ui Rinn next Sunday against the blood and bandage. Should be interesting.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Mar 2, 2015 23:25:51 GMT
There may have been no love lost between Dublin and Kerry on the pitch yesterday, but it was a different story off it as a Dublin fan took the opportunity to propose to his girlfriend. Andy Smith surprised Colette Greenhalgh at half-time when he got down on one knee and asked would she marry him in front of the crowd at Fitzgerald Stadium. Andy had planned the proposal with the help of Dublin GAA and was delighted when Colette said ‘yes’. “I hadn’t a clue what was happening,” pharmacy worker Colette told the Irish Daily Star. “Then the steward said ‘can you come onto the pitch please?’ I asked what was happening and when I turned around Andy was on his knee. “He asked if I would marry him and, of course, I said ‘yes’. Everyone in the stands was cheering.” www.kerrygaa.ie/news/353437/Kerry_0_15_Dublin_1_10EAMONN FITZMAURICE INTERVIEW ON KERRY GAA WEBSITE 28/02/2015 Eamonn Fitzmaurice talks to the Kerry GAA Website ahead of the Kerry v Dublin Allianz League Clash Why the changes on Sunday from the team that beat Derry? “Anthony Maher came back the last day and did well when he came on against Derry and he’s trained well in the meantime, so we’ve given him the nod. Up front Kieran Donaghy has come in, he’s been playing well for the Stacks, he’s done well in the couple of training sessions we’ve done since. But the two lads that have lost out, Tommy Walsh and Barry John Keane, they’re both unlucky because both of them are playing well as well at the moment. This month gives us a great chance to look at the whole squad, every fellow will be getting game time so there’s no panic and there’s no huge analysis or significance with what way we’re doing yet and by the end of the month things will be starting to settle down a bit.” Dublin haven’t lost in Kerry for 10 years and in Killarney for 12, so are you anxious to put things right on Sunday and beat the Dubs thus ending that losing sequence? “Well there’s a reason we haven’t beaten them and that’s because they’re one of the best teams around, they’re very strong. We haven’t beaten them in the league for some time, I think the last time we beat them was 2012 in Croke Park, while we haven’t beaten them in Kerry for some time. Definitely, they are serious opposition, of course we’re going to be trying to win the game on Sunday. It would be great for us to beat Dublin on Sunday and we would also have four points on the board. But Dublin are a very powerful outfit and it’s going to be a tough game again on Sunday and it would be great to come out on the right side of the result.” Looking at Dublin, Eamonn; Jim Gavin has been using a lot of his U-21s and has been playing without some of his bigger names, very much like Kerry and he seems to have found a number of promising youngsters and they have a win and a narrow defeat under their belts. How do you rate them at present? “They have, the fact that they weren’t in the final last year meant they got back a bit earlier and have some extra training done. The fellows that Jim is bringing in at the moment have won U-21 All Irelands and have been knocking around his squad for the past number of years. While they probably aren’t hugely experienced yet, in terms of actual inter county action, they still have a good bit of experience under their belts. They are a formidable outfit and there was very little in the game down in Cork which could have gone either way and they were well up for the game in Croke Park against Donegal, there was far more pace in that game, there was serious intensity and you could see that Dublin meant business on that night. We know the challenge that lies ahead, and as I said we haven’t beaten them in a while, league or championship and especially at home in the league, so it’s a big task for us on Sunday and we’re looking forward to it.” Are you upset in anyway by the fact that Dublin do not release their team until Friday night, which gives you very little time to arrange match ups etc? Should there be a standard day coming up to a game by which time all teams should be revealed? “Different teams do it different ways, we consistently release our team on a Thursday night but Dublin consistently release their team on a Friday night while other teams differ as well with Cork revealing their side usually on a Tuesday night. So different teams have different ways of doing it, so it’s not a huge problem. I suppose in an ideal world, if there was a particular time that everyone would have their team released at it might bring more consistency to it, it’s not something I’m bothered by, it is what it is. When Dublin release their team we’ll have a look at it, we know what they have anyway and they play a similar style no matter who they have, except our backs might like to know how they are marking, outside of that the challenge won’t be that different regardless of the personnel that Dublin are playing.” Kieran Donaghy is returning to action pretty quickly after his major disappointment with his club some might suggest it’s a bit too soon, what was the rationale behind it? “I don’t think coming back so quickly after losing a major club game is a big problem. Sometimes I was in that position myself, both from going back from Kerry to the club and vice versa. Usually you’re as well off to get back on the horse straight away and tear into the next challenge. I think the thing that you’d worry about more than the mental side of things is the physical, in terms of would he be fatigued after a long club campaign or will he be fatigued later in the year because of the length of his season. But I think from Kieran’s point of view, last year was a disjointed year from earlier in the year because of his injuries and until he got his injuries right, he didn’t get full steam ahead until early June. From that point of view his season wasn’t as long last year as is perceived. But he’s full of energy, he’s mad for action in fact I had to talk him out of coming back the week after the club loss. He’s the captain of Kerry, he’s missed two games already and he’s anxious to get going.” Tommy Walsh is back on the bench, are you happy with the way he’s going and is it a question of just having patience with him? “We’re delighted with Tommy, really pleased with the way he’s applying himself. His attitude is first class. Tommy, even before he went to Australia was always exemplary in everything he did, he’s been the same since he came back. He’s eating up everything we’re saying to him, he’s improving every single night, his kicking, his handling and everything is progressing the whole time so he’s doing very well and he’ll get action now in the month of March and that will bring him on another bit. There will be a couple of club games coming up for him and they will all help him. I keep saying it’s going to take a bit of time and we’re all going to have to be patient. But Tommy because of the type of fellow that he is and the attitude that he has is progressing all the time and I’m delighted with the way he’s progressing and undoubtedly he’ll have a contribution to make on Sunday.” Do you think it’s important for Kerry to make the latter stages of the year this year since they enter the championship fray pretty late so an extra game or two might be helpful? “You want to win every game, of course if you win on Sunday you’re looking up rather than down. At the same time I do think that the league is going to be very tight this year because every team can beat each other. I don’t think home and away is going to count for that much of an advantage, in fact I think sometimes when you’re away from home and the team is together for the weekend and you’re together the night before the game, there is a great focus there. When you’re on the road it can actually be a bit easier. But we’re not looking beyond Sunday, if we can get a result on Sunday it will be great but if not then we’ll just have to knuckle down again for the following weekend. I think there’s going to be very little between the teams who qualify for the semi-finals and the teams that are relegated so it’s just a matter of focusing on one game at the time and at the moment we’re focused on Dublin and we will see where that takes us.” Turning to Dublin and the fact that they use the short kick out so successfully and it is particularly hard to counteract, do you have plans to disrupt Dublin on Sunday? “Look, it’s a big part of Dublin’s game but every team really now focus on trying to retain possession from the restart. Dublin, in fairness to them, are the kingpins of that. Cluxton to be fair revolutionised the game and with some of the players that they’re had out the field the last couple of years. They’re strong over their head and run into space, Sean Currie has been in goal for the past couple of games and he’s very good at it too. So it is going to be a very big part of their game plan on Sunday and it’s something that we’re going to have to be aware of but we’ll have a few tricks up our own sleeve as well where we might be able to take Dublin by surprise and disrupt their game plan.” In conversation with Murt Murphy at the Kerry Press Briefing Kerry Senior Football Team Injury Update Eamonn Fitzmaurice talks to the Kerry GAA Website on the latest Injury update from the Kerry Camp. Can you update us on the injury situation with some of the more prominent players? “A lot of the lads are progressing well, you’ve got the likes of Peter Crowley, Shane Enright, Paul O’Donoghue and Brian Kelly back on the bench so we’ve had a few returns since the last game. Killian Young was a sub in the last game, he’s back again full steam ahead. Donnchadh Walsh has had a bit of a setback with his groin, nothing major but he’s not ready yet. The likes of Darran O’Sullivan is back training, Marc Ó Sé is back full training and Aidan O’Mahony is not too far away. The injuries are progressing nicely, thanks be to god.” When do you expect the injuries to clear up and be able to field stronger teams? “Definitely by the end of March you’d expect most of the lads to be back, maybe the Donegal game, but it will depend on how they’re doing in training, from week to week we’ll see how the squad is going, are we picking up knocks, picking up suspensions and so on. In an ideal world, you wouldn’t be pressing fellows back into action before time but we might need to. The lads are progressing nicely and it’s just a matter of getting the balance between winning games and getting football into fellows at the same time.” What about the two long term injured Colm Cooper and James O’Donoghue – will they see any League action? Could Colm come back before the end of the month? “Yes, it is a possibility. I mean with Colm first of all, he’s doing well but he’s not ready yet, it’s as simple as that. He’s not ready to play a game so we’re going to wait until he is ready, he’s very much symptom led, his knee is good but once he has a bit of football played and his body conditioning is right he’ll be ready to go and he’ll see a bit of action. I’m reluctant to put a date on it but hopefully Colm will see action by the end of the league. As for James (O Donoghue), he’s in a situation that we’re going to have to wait and see. We’re not going to be rushing him back until he’s ready and he’s unlikely to see any action in the regulation League but if we progress to a semi-final or a final maybe he might be in a position at that stage to play. We’re going to be patient with the lads, we’re not going to push them into action until they’re ready, both of them have had long term injuries so there isn’t much point in rushing them at the end of it, maybe for the sake of a game. We’ll get them right first and then they’ll be back.” In conversation with Murt Murphy at the Kerry Press Briefing Dublin are visitors to Fitzgerald Stadium on Sunday next for Round 3 of the Allianz Football League, a game that will have a 2pm throw in. Cork apart, there is no greater rivalry these days for the wearers of the green and gold than the Dubs. We need little reminding in these parts that the pendulum has swung towards the Metropolitans in recent meetings between the sides and we have to go back to the League meeting of 2012 for Kerry’s last victory. 2015 is of course a very significant year in the history of meetings between the sides being the 60th anniversary of Kerry’s famous victory in the 1955 All Ireland final a game that the then captain, Kerins O’Rahillys John Dowling described as “No ordinary All Ireland Final”. No doubt, the late John Dowling’s grandson, Barry John Keane, and his comrades will be all out to reverse the recent trend of victories for the Dubs and after a somewhat deflating opening performance against Mayo in Fitzgerald Stadium, their first competitive game since the All Ireland Final, Kerry redeemed themselves with a fine victory over Derry in Celtic Park. Dublin did much the same in theier Round 2 game with a fine victory over Donegal in Croke Park having gone under to a late Cork rally in Round 1 in Páirc Uí Rinn. The points at stake today are vital to both sides. There are no soft touches in Division 1 this year; every point is vital and the fact that Kerry still has a long list of players rehabbing from injury means that players on the fringe of the first fifteen get valuable playing time and experience against the best teams around. It would be great to see the likes of Colm Cooper, Marc Ó Sé, James O’Donoghue and Aidan O’Mahony have to fight their way back onto the team come Championship time! That of course is the first of four League fixtures in March for the Kingdom: Kerry are away to Cork on the 8th, and then home in Austin Stack Park to Donegal (15th) and Monaghan (29th) before finishing their campaign with a trip to Tyrone on April 5th. Among the articles in the souvenir Programme for Sunday’s game is a look back at the 1955 epic encounter between Kerry and Dublin by Eugene McGee. Kieran Donaghy reckons Eddie Kinsella "did a great job" of refereeing Sunday's fiery Kerry-Dublin clash in Killarney. The Laois official dished out twelve cards - eight of them to Dublin, including a late red for Mick Fitzsimons - and Dubs boss Jim Gavin suggested afterwards that some of those decisions were influenced by the reactions of the Kerry players. Kingdom captain Donaghy, however, who picked up a yellow card himself before leaving the fray with a bloody lip, has praised Gavin's handling of the game: “Kerry and Dublin is notoriously feisty. I thought Eddie and his officiating team did a great job,” the Austin Stacks clubman told The Irish Examiner. “There were a few skirmishes here and there. I thought he handled it very well. When the cards needed to be given out, he gave them out." Donaghy was delighted to mark his 32nd birthday by captaining the All-Ireland champions to victory over the league holders: “It was a big day for me. I wanted to come back in the Tuesday or the Thursday after the Stacks lost, but Eamonn wanted me to take a week off and come back in the following Saturday. It’s unbelievable to be given this opportunity and I want to play as many games as I can. To get the chance to lead the boys out into this battle was something I was looking forward to. “I said to the boys at half time, ‘Ye didn’t expect anything else, this is going to be a war and a battle’. I think that’s what I’m most proud of with the team, that we were able to pull through in a battle.”
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Post by donegalman on Mar 2, 2015 23:48:38 GMT
Unfortunately the only highlights of any games on the tg4 player seem to be of melees and sendings off.
Does anyone here feel sorry for the ref yesterday or think that he had a bit of a mission impossible? ITs the beginning of march and there are a hell of a lot of games to go. Lets not talk exclusively about Dublin or Kerry either. Is the game in disarray, or has it been for some time now?
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Post by fitz on Mar 3, 2015 0:33:03 GMT
Pa Kilkenny had a fine game today. Cormac Costello is one of the country's brightest forwards and hee had him subbed at the break. Brogan got one off him but it was a hard earned score and Brogan is class. The Brogan Maher incident was just nonsense, frustration. Fitzsimons got a rush of blood to the head, that was a lucky moment as the punches could have started flying then. SkyBlue I'm not sure where you think Maher has got 'form' from? He has been sent off yes but not from bouts of flaking and skullduggery. Please expand with examples. If anyone on that pitch has form Dennis Bastick is the man, and years of it and thoroughly deserved his card. Very snakey choke drag. Star as captain needs to cut out the goading although was fouled in that instance and it was a fever pitch moment buy way of explanation but it cannot be condoned. You need ultra discipline from a captain. He could easily have walked too for a high tackle near sideline in second half. Stephen O'Brien gave Johnny Cooper a very hard day which I think contributed to his consistent impetuous clashes. Johnny 'the hands' Buckley gets on some volume of ball. Some great dummies thrown. Imagine he was fast? Moran immense. Paul Murphy was outstanding until the black card.Sherwood excellent. Fionn poor first half, excellent in second. Tommy did his first bit of ball carrying today. Basic stuff but it is step by step recalibration. For Dublin McCaffrey was very good, McMenamin in first half, Brogan when he came on,Cian O was ok. Carthy decent.I would disagree with Hurlingman, Ciaran Kilkenny is a much better player than average and just back after cruciate. We'll see this when the sod dries. It took Moran well over a year to really blossom after coming back. It's definitely great to win, it breaks a bad sequence and will count a little psychologically for Championship, the potential clash then will be a titanic affair where today's result mentally might be one of the inches needed. We looked very labored in first half getting ball into forwards and as Fitz said, the basics as in handling were tri na cheile. Brilliant first 20 minutes of second half helped by Currie's poor kickouts. I think Moran is the most complete midfielder in the country. McCauley is faster but Moran's ball retention and foot passing off both feet I think are unequalled. Lads where is Marc Se going to fit? Currie doesnt equal Cluxton. Cluxton MDMA Flynn Connolly A Brogan is a lot of leadership. Still no explanation on O'Brien staying on. McMahon should not be on Dubs panel. McCaffrey is back. Kerry better from distance. Donaghy hands down wins "most unpopular player in Ireland". Maher form v Cluxton 2014. You're right on O'Brien, should have walked. Not sure Cooper should have been on the pitch by then, he clocked up enough combined penalty points to have gone. If its the incident you are referring to, I remember that Cluxton broke out of the square in injury time soloing and Maher took him out of it with a body check. He did make a meal of it, plenty of drama for a man who definitely takes pride in being a hard case. That was an epic game and Cluxton was showboating, entitled to do so, Maher deserved the red but in context of being about to lose such a game, that game, after slugging it out for 70 mins,the reaction from Maher was understandable to me anyway but not condoned. That's not form, no way. I think the point on Donaghy is just your own view?. He is persistently fouled in every game, and that he doesn't go quietly and is vocal makes him the paramount figure of unpopularity? Part of the reason you dislike him is surely because of the panic and mayhem he creates and did so yesterday? Rory O'Carroll was a big weakness for Dublin in the Donegal match last year and he will be targeted this year for sure. Will Cluxton, Connolly, Flynn and Al Brogan all unquestionably class players be better in 2015 than 2014?
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Post by dano on Mar 3, 2015 2:08:23 GMT
Great to see the old rivalry is alive and well. Kieran is actually one of the most popular footballers ever
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Post by ansúilleabhánach on Mar 3, 2015 6:56:49 GMT
I was a bit disappointed with some of Jim Gavin's comments in the media today, saying that Dublin came down to play football, not to get involved with officials, not to feign fouls , that a lot of their cards were reactionary etc. The inference I take from those remarks is that their opponents were guilty of holding those ideals in lesser regard. I suggest Jim that , when you have s spare moment, you might benefit from having a look at a recording of the match. Certainly, there was a degree, more than a degree, of nastiness in the game but the boys in blue were enthusiastic participants in the tango. Indeed so enthusiastic were they that very often they encouraged the natives to get involved in that tango. I suppose it just shows that too often we see only what we want to see. I lost all time for him in this regard after 2013 final when he criticised the ref. They had won and the season was over. A rather negative outlook.
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Post by glengael on Mar 3, 2015 8:13:55 GMT
GIVEN it was a League game at the beginning of March in which snow fell, the reaction of the Kerry crowd in Fitzgerald Stadium to the full-time whistle which confirmed a 0-15 to 1-10 win over Dublin might ordinarily be considered disproportional.
It must be a great life being a journalist, no wonder all the ex-players get into that line of work as soon as they can. I think I might be one when I grow up. You really can have your cake and eat it. When Kerry fans react with vocal and understandable support for their team, like they did on Sunday (or for example v Tyrone in 2012, Antrim in 2009 or Mayo 2014) it might ordinarily be considered disproportional . By whom? If supporters of other counties react in the same way at any game, they are portrayed as passionate, loyal and a vital 16th man for their team! Never mind, come summer, it will be back to the safe lazy stereotypes of lazy Kerry supporters not travelling, not caring, waiting for the Final, blah, blah. Hilarious.
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Post by keane on Mar 3, 2015 8:18:08 GMT
Interested to note a lot of fans on the reservoir dubs forum talking about how rory o'carroll had donaghy in his pocket on Sunday.
Seems crazy to me, thought donaghy caused a world of problems.
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 3, 2015 8:51:23 GMT
Kerry v Dublin, Fitzgerald Stadium, 2pm (Live on TG4) Donegal v Cork, Ballyshannon, 2pm (Deferred on TG4) Mayo v Monaghan, MacHale Park, 2pm The All-Ireland and league champions meet in Killarney but, despite their win in Derry, RTÉ analyst Kevin McStay thinks Sam Maguire holders Kerry won't have the edge on Dublin. Kerry resumed training later than their rivals due to a team holiday and McStay thinks they will still be lagging fitness-wise. “I can’t see Kerry winning this," he insists. "They couldn’t have the work done. They bumped into a very wobbly Derry team that are really struggling in terms of consistency, injuries and availability of players [Slaughtneil are in the All-Ireland club final]. “Mayo walked it [in round one] against Kerry so I don’t see them beating Derry as a form line. I think it was a poor Derry team that they beat and Dublin will be way too strong for Kerry."This particular jurno was well on the ball last week before the game.........
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Post by playitfair on Mar 3, 2015 8:59:24 GMT
I was really surprised with that analysis last Friday particularly as Dublin had not named their team. One other comment that I have is in relation to the referee. I thought he had a very good game & got most of the big decisions correct. The other thing I liked is that he took his time with decisions & spoke to linesmen before he making his decision. A very good referee.
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Post by skybluezone on Mar 3, 2015 11:04:16 GMT
skybluezone Lets pretend that you are Jim Gavin and you are picking the Dublin team to play Kerry in the 2015 All Ireland Final. You have a full panel and everyone is fit and on form.
What 15 would you go withGood question Mickmack. My pick would be something like this 1. Cluxton 2. McMahon (if he stops acting the maggot and is banned from crossing the halfway line 3. O'Carroll 4. Cooper 5. McCarthy 6. O'Sullivan 7. McCaffrey 8. McAuley 9. Carthy (if he continues to improve) otherwise I'd give Brady a shot at it. 10. Flynn 11. Alan B (or Kilkenny if Alan walks away) 12. Connolly 13. Kev Mc (alternate with O'Gara depending on opposition). 14. Bernard 15. Andrews. Probably won't be Jim Gavin's though as he tends to stick with the man in possession of the jersey. One or two posters suggested earlier that Dublin's much vaunted "best panel in Ireland" has been shown to be a fallacy. Fair comment. But if you take away the best, or should I say, most influential five from any team, it will be much weaker. Cluxton, MDMA, Flynn, Connolly, Alan B and Bernard B all missing (Bernard with his first half of football all year). It's the other ten that would be pretty much interchangeable, although they won it in 2013 without Alan B kicking a ball. So take the 3 O'Se's, Gooch and Declan O'Sullivan out of the best recent Kerry teams and they would have won four or five All Irelands? Seriously doubt it. Going to Cork (haven't won there in decades) and get beaten by a point with a team of max 4 realistic starters in a best 15, and going to Kerry with max 5/6 starters, with the natives seriously looking to "lay down a marker" and getting beat by two in a blizzard, is not the end of the world by any means, and shouldn't add weight to the "Dubs useless out of Croker" theory. Lazy analysis I would suggest. Said it earlier, Kerry deserved to win, if only for there point kicking into the wind in 2nd half. Our lads are not dead yet though.
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Post by G_S_J on Mar 3, 2015 11:14:17 GMT
Interested to note a lot of fans on the reservoir dubs forum talking about how rory o'carroll had donaghy in his pocket on Sunday. Seems crazy to me, thought donaghy caused a world of problems. That place reeks of bitterness, it's even funnier when they think they're being impartial, most of them haven't a clue about our team either, throwing out inaccuracy after inaccuracy unchallanged to suit their line of thinking. In a lot of their head's the Dub's are the best always and if they've lost it has to be down to some funny business. They define the idea of a sore loser.
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Post by baurtregaum on Mar 3, 2015 11:59:31 GMT
Given the weather, I opted for the stand in the first half but I switched to the terrace for the second. I'd prefer the terrace as I find the stand in Killarney a little shallow, but that hail shower was a killer! I felt sorry for the Players, especially the Kerry defence who had to face that for nearly ten minutes.
David Moran's point was kicked in the middle of this shower and for me was the score of the game. I thought the Dublin half backs did a bit of damage in the first half, particularly McCaffery and Dublin attacked with a lot more pace and purpose. Sheehan played well but at times was guilty of slowing down our play in the first half at times, or am I being harsh on him?. Overall I thought he played well.
At halftime I thought our goose was cooked. Dublin would have the wind and were motoring better. Kerry responded well and have definately set down a marker here. The O'Brien/Cooper incident happened right in front of me and Stephen could have no complaints if Kinsella had flashed a card. I thought the ref did well given the nasty undercurrent which was apparent at times.
It was good to get the win and a game like this will stand to Kerry but as others have pointed out, given some of the absences on both sides it does come with a health warning.
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Post by lár na páirce on Mar 3, 2015 14:08:47 GMT
I was at the game Sunday here are my views on the "Dirty Dubs"
Dublin in all fairness to them have not brought that level of aggression into a game in a long time,It seems Jim Gavin is not interested in that style but Sunday was played at championship pace and things changed.
Mikey Geaney pulling the jersey up around Johnny Coopers head in the first half
Maher instigated the fight at the end with Brogan if you watch back the footage Maher comes out after the ball goes wide and grabs Brogan,It was an obvious ploy to run down the clock very much like the Mayo game last year.
Donaghy should of reprimanded by the Ref for goading O'Gara after his big catch in his own square - Regardless of what was said previously 2 wrongs don't make a right
For every indiscretion for the Dubs that has been pointed out on here there is one for Kerry,As i previously stated this was at a far higher pace than a normal league game & sometimes these things happen but c'mon lads take of the green tinted glasses.
Back to the game i though the Kilkenny & Griffin were very good in the full back line,O'Gara suited Griffin and Kilkenny i suppose has one eye over his shoulder with the return of O'Mahoney & Marc in the coming weeks,Fionn is a player who struggled against the very good Kevin McManamon - I think Fionn is more suited to the forty but competition is fierce there.
Kealy had his best game in a long time in nets
Paul Murphy if continues his curve will end up as a huge star in the game,Sherwood was immense in the tackle and has grabbed a hold of the No.6 jersey It's up to someone now to wrestle it from him.Lyne was OK - He is a player i like has good pace and is a very good kicker but i think he is better suited to the forwards
Maher was like a man possessed Sunday and was my MOTM his block down in the 2nd half summed him up for me & Moran is now the best center field man in the country,Amazing considering he only slipped into the Kerry team due to Injury last August.
Mikey Geaney had an off day after kicking a beauty early on but he is slowly morphing into a top wing forward,I handles a world of ball in every game and makes a huge amount of tackles.
Sheehan had a good game,One thing that strikes me about Bryan is that it always looks like he is motoring away at 75%.Still though he is a serious performer even though there is more in the tank
Was very dissapointed with Buckley in the first half he looked like he was marking McCaffery but he tore into it after the break,His point in the 2nd was the score of the game for me,The way he drove inside McCaffery was a joy.
Paul Geaney after his heroics in Derry looked tired the Sigerson i would imagine had an effect. Stephen O Brien played well,Love his little jink to escape tackles and will keep improving,Needs to work on his tackling though Star was brilliant he is such a nuisance for opposition defenders with his size.
Barry John after coming of the bench again impressed,Is without doubt one of our top forwards and i am thrilled for him.Tommy is slowly getting back in the groove,Can't wait till he hits full throttle this summer
Sunday will be another tough test but Fitzmaurice must be over the moon with the last two performances
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Post by Piggy on Mar 3, 2015 14:17:51 GMT
Great assessment of the game totheleftaguswide.
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Post by skybluezone on Mar 3, 2015 14:42:58 GMT
I was at the game Sunday here are my views on the "Dirty Dubs"Dublin in all fairness to them have not brought that level of aggression into a game in a long time,It seems Jim Gavin is not interested in that style but Sunday was played at championship pace and things changed. Mikey Geaney pulling the jersey up around Johnny Coopers head in the first half Maher instigated the fight at the end with Brogan if you watch back the footage Maher comes out after the ball goes wide and grabs Brogan,It was an obvious ploy to run down the clock very much like the Mayo game last year. Donaghy should of reprimanded by the Ref for goading O'Gara after his big catch in his own square - Regardless of what was said previously 2 wrongs don't make a right For every indiscretion for the Dubs that has been pointed out on here there is one for Kerry,As i previously stated this was at a far higher pace than a normal league game & sometimes these things happen but c'mon lads take of the green tinted glasses. Back to the game i though the Kilkenny & Griffin were very good in the full back line,O'Gara suited Griffin and Kilkenny i suppose has one eye over his shoulder with the return of O'Mahoney & Marc in the coming weeks,Fionn is a player who struggled against the very good Kevin McManamon - I think Fionn is more suited to the forty but competition is fierce there. Kealy had his best game in a long time in nets Paul Murphy if continues his curve will end up as a huge star in the game,Sherwood was immense in the tackle and has grabbed a hold of the No.6 jersey It's up to someone now to wrestle it from him.Lyne was OK - He is a player i like has good pace and is a very good kicker but i think he is better suited to the forwards Maher was like a man possessed Sunday and was my MOTM his block down in the 2nd half summed him up for me & Moran is now the best center field man in the country,Amazing considering he only slipped into the Kerry team due to Injury last August. Mikey Geaney had an off day after kicking a beauty early on but he is slowly morphing into a top wing forward,I handles a world of ball in every game and makes a huge amount of tackles. Sheehan had a good game,One thing that strikes me about Bryan is that it always looks like he is motoring away at 75%.Still though he is a serious performer even though there is more in the tank Was very dissapointed with Buckley in the first half he looked like he was marking McCaffery but he tore into it after the break,His point in the 2nd was the score of the game for me,The way he drove inside McCaffery was a joy. Paul Geaney after his heroics in Derry looked tired the Sigerson i would imagine had an effect. Stephen O Brien played well,Love his little jink to escape tackles and will keep improving,Needs to work on his tackling though Star was brilliant he is such a nuisance for opposition defenders with his size. Barry John after coming of the bench again impressed,Is without doubt one of our top forwards and i am thrilled for him.Tommy is slowly getting back in the groove,Can't wait till he hits full throttle this summer Sunday will be another tough test but Fitzmaurice must be over the moon with the last two performances Fair play totheleft. Good points, objective and well made.
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 3, 2015 15:31:32 GMT
I was at the game Sunday here are my views on the "Dirty Dubs"Dublin in all fairness to them have not brought that level of aggression into a game in a long time,It seems Jim Gavin is not interested in that style but Sunday was played at championship pace and things changed. Mikey Geaney pulling the jersey up around Johnny Coopers head in the first half Maher instigated the fight at the end with Brogan if you watch back the footage Maher comes out after the ball goes wide and grabs Brogan,It was an obvious ploy to run down the clock very much like the Mayo game last year. Donaghy should of reprimanded by the Ref for goading O'Gara after his big catch in his own square - Regardless of what was said previously 2 wrongs don't make a right For every indiscretion for the Dubs that has been pointed out on here there is one for Kerry,As i previously stated this was at a far higher pace than a normal league game & sometimes these things happen but c'mon lads take of the green tinted glasses. Back to the game i though the Kilkenny & Griffin were very good in the full back line,O'Gara suited Griffin and Kilkenny i suppose has one eye over his shoulder with the return of O'Mahoney & Marc in the coming weeks,Fionn is a player who struggled against the very good Kevin McManamon - I think Fionn is more suited to the forty but competition is fierce there. Kealy had his best game in a long time in nets Paul Murphy if continues his curve will end up as a huge star in the game,Sherwood was immense in the tackle and has grabbed a hold of the No.6 jersey It's up to someone now to wrestle it from him.Lyne was OK - He is a player i like has good pace and is a very good kicker but i think he is better suited to the forwards Maher was like a man possessed Sunday and was my MOTM his block down in the 2nd half summed him up for me & Moran is now the best center field man in the country,Amazing considering he only slipped into the Kerry team due to Injury last August. Mikey Geaney had an off day after kicking a beauty early on but he is slowly morphing into a top wing forward,I handles a world of ball in every game and makes a huge amount of tackles. Sheehan had a good game,One thing that strikes me about Bryan is that it always looks like he is motoring away at 75%.Still though he is a serious performer even though there is more in the tank Was very dissapointed with Buckley in the first half he looked like he was marking McCaffery but he tore into it after the break,His point in the 2nd was the score of the game for me,The way he drove inside McCaffery was a joy. Paul Geaney after his heroics in Derry looked tired the Sigerson i would imagine had an effect. Stephen O Brien played well,Love his little jink to escape tackles and will keep improving,Needs to work on his tackling though Star was brilliant he is such a nuisance for opposition defenders with his size. Barry John after coming of the bench again impressed,Is without doubt one of our top forwards and i am thrilled for him.Tommy is slowly getting back in the groove,Can't wait till he hits full throttle this summer Sunday will be another tough test but Fitzmaurice must be over the moon with the last two performances Goading is a black card offence as far as I can remember and needs to stamped out.
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 3, 2015 15:35:28 GMT
skybluezone Lets pretend that you are Jim Gavin and you are picking the Dublin team to play Kerry in the 2015 All Ireland Final. You have a full panel and everyone is fit and on form.
What 15 would you go withGood question Mickmack. My pick would be something like this 1. Cluxton 2. McMahon (if he stops acting the maggot and is banned from crossing the halfway line 3. O'Carroll 4. Cooper 5. McCarthy 6. O'Sullivan 7. McCaffrey 8. McAuley 9. Carthy (if he continues to improve) otherwise I'd give Brady a shot at it. 10. Flynn 11. Alan B (or Kilkenny if Alan walks away) 12. Connolly 13. Kev Mc (alternate with O'Gara depending on opposition). 14. Bernard 15. Andrews. Probably won't be Jim Gavin's though as he tends to stick with the man in possession of the jersey. One or two posters suggested earlier that Dublin's much vaunted "best panel in Ireland" has been shown to be a fallacy. Fair comment. But if you take away the best, or should I say, most influential five from any team, it will be much weaker. Cluxton, MDMA, Flynn, Connolly, Alan B and Bernard B all missing (Bernard with his first half of football all year). It's the other ten that would be pretty much interchangeable, although they won it in 2013 without Alan B kicking a ball. So take the 3 O'Se's, Gooch and Declan O'Sullivan out of the best recent Kerry teams and they would have won four or five All Irelands? Seriously doubt it. Going to Cork (haven't won there in decades) and get beaten by a point with a team of max 4 realistic starters in a best 15, and going to Kerry with max 5/6 starters, with the natives seriously looking to "lay down a marker" and getting beat by two in a blizzard, is not the end of the world by any means, and shouldn't add weight to the "Dubs useless out of Croker" theory. Lazy analysis I would suggest. Said it earlier, Kerry deserved to win, if only for there point kicking into the wind in 2nd half. Our lads are not dead yet though. As I suspected the Dubs are totally reliant on their older players with little change in their team. It will be difficult to maintain a winning formula throughout the remainder of the decade with small numbers of their underage golden generation coming through. I suspect if Brogan is held and Cluxton is frustrated Dublin will struggle. Time will tell of course.
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Post by givehimaball on Mar 3, 2015 15:43:31 GMT
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Post by Jigz84 on Mar 3, 2015 17:48:23 GMT
I was at the game Sunday here are my views on the "Dirty Dubs"Dublin in all fairness to them have not brought that level of aggression into a game in a long time,It seems Jim Gavin is not interested in that style but Sunday was played at championship pace and things changed. Mikey Geaney pulling the jersey up around Johnny Coopers head in the first half Maher instigated the fight at the end with Brogan if you watch back the footage Maher comes out after the ball goes wide and grabs Brogan,It was an obvious ploy to run down the clock very much like the Mayo game last year. Donaghy should of reprimanded by the Ref for goading O'Gara after his big catch in his own square - Regardless of what was said previously 2 wrongs don't make a right For every indiscretion for the Dubs that has been pointed out on here there is one for Kerry,As i previously stated this was at a far higher pace than a normal league game & sometimes these things happen but c'mon lads take of the green tinted glasses. Back to the game i though the Kilkenny & Griffin were very good in the full back line,O'Gara suited Griffin and Kilkenny i suppose has one eye over his shoulder with the return of O'Mahoney & Marc in the coming weeks,Fionn is a player who struggled against the very good Kevin McManamon - I think Fionn is more suited to the forty but competition is fierce there. Kealy had his best game in a long time in nets Paul Murphy if continues his curve will end up as a huge star in the game,Sherwood was immense in the tackle and has grabbed a hold of the No.6 jersey It's up to someone now to wrestle it from him.Lyne was OK - He is a player i like has good pace and is a very good kicker but i think he is better suited to the forwards Maher was like a man possessed Sunday and was my MOTM his block down in the 2nd half summed him up for me & Moran is now the best center field man in the country,Amazing considering he only slipped into the Kerry team due to Injury last August. Mikey Geaney had an off day after kicking a beauty early on but he is slowly morphing into a top wing forward,I handles a world of ball in every game and makes a huge amount of tackles. Sheehan had a good game,One thing that strikes me about Bryan is that it always looks like he is motoring away at 75%.Still though he is a serious performer even though there is more in the tank Was very dissapointed with Buckley in the first half he looked like he was marking McCaffery but he tore into it after the break,His point in the 2nd was the score of the game for me,The way he drove inside McCaffery was a joy. Paul Geaney after his heroics in Derry looked tired the Sigerson i would imagine had an effect. Stephen O Brien played well,Love his little jink to escape tackles and will keep improving,Needs to work on his tackling though Star was brilliant he is such a nuisance for opposition defenders with his size. Barry John after coming of the bench again impressed,Is without doubt one of our top forwards and i am thrilled for him.Tommy is slowly getting back in the groove,Can't wait till he hits full throttle this summer Sunday will be another tough test but Fitzmaurice must be over the moon with the last two performances I don't like Kieran's mouthing but O'Gara did appear to kick out at him from the ground.
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Post by gamechanger10 on Mar 3, 2015 18:02:04 GMT
Don't like him mouthing off either but O Gara did burst his lip in that challenge. Still I would prefer him to control that aspect of his game, to be fair o Carroll was giving him some grief throughout the game,, anyway once they kicked anything decent in he gave o Carroll a starter for the main course later in the year !! ??
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Post by givehimaball on Mar 3, 2015 18:07:01 GMT
Some more stats from the very good @sidelineye Very interesting how little Bastic and Carthy who were the starting midfield for Dublin did on kickouts.
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