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Post by wayupnorth on Mar 2, 2015 12:46:45 GMT
It would be great if Donaghy could rein in the sledging and yapping at the ref. It's too much. Fully agree, he won't get through the season unscratched if he doesn't change that aspect of his game. If refs and linesman punished the off the ball antics on Donaghy as they did yesterday and mostly did in Portlaoise there mightn't be any need for the "yapping". Agree about the sledging though. It is a blight on the game and should be condemned no matter who is doing it.
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Post by G_S_J on Mar 2, 2015 12:47:09 GMT
It would be great if Donaghy could rein in the sledging and yapping at the ref. It's too much. Fully agree, he won't get through the season unscratched if he doesn't change that aspect of his game. Considering the year he's after having I very much doubt he'll be changing anything about his game, the mouthing is certainly part of the overall package.
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Post by jamo on Mar 2, 2015 12:54:13 GMT
Poaters should say whether they were at the game or not because I saw it on television and would like to know if the comments posters are making are based on what they saw on the box, in which case I can assess the validity of the comment or they are commenting on what the camera did not pick up. People like me are always trying to pick up bits of info because we cannot go to the game or walk into the pub and meet people who were at the game. It appeared to be a typical league game. Dublin are very ordinary. We were ordinary enough in the first half and in the last ten minutes. Eamonn gave youth a chance today and that was carried through to the substitutions made. My conclusions, Sherwood - one for the future, maybe even this season. Paul O'Brien - sklillfull, fast, honest but doesn't send a message to the manager that he has to start. Michael Geaney probably struggling at this level. Kilkenny - one for the future but not this season. It's early in the season and players are getting used to each other but a lot more scores can be got from breaks from Donaghy. I was at the game but did not see any Poaters there -!! Paul o'Brien is not sklillful and did not play well at all..Great win for Kerry as Dublin were really up for it and tried to win the game with hard football but Kerry stood up to them big time.. bring on Cork
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Mar 2, 2015 13:43:07 GMT
Kerry - Dublin games rarely disappoint and though this certainly wasn't a classic it was a game akin to a summer championship game. It had all: drama, intrigue, tactics, passion, temper and even the weather gods threw all they had at it.
As I got up at 6am I could see ice on the bird bath and the cats were huddled up in the hallway trying to stay warm. I tried to stay under the blankets a bit longer, but the two devilish creatures noticed a slight rustling in the bedroom and decided to make their presence known. So, I got up gave them their breakfast and a cuddle, and opened the laptop to check the weather in Killarney. It was dry but cold the internet told me so the clothes I selected to wear had to be warm. After my own breakfast I cycled into town for the papers and to catch the first bus from Carrigaline to Cork. The weather was still dry but very cold. Having a cup of coffee, skimming the papers and waiting for the bus the heavens opened. Freyr abandoned us with her sunshine and fair weather and Thor unleashed cold rain and thunder upon us. Taranis did his worst and Brigid turned the waters of the peaceful Owenabue into a raging white water stream. Soaked to the bone despite wearing my raincoat I got onto the bus and was led towards the big city. The rolling hills between Carrigaline and Cork were emerged in a grey shroud of heavy rains and fog and the dampness made the cold even worse, further lowering my core temperature and making me shiver as we made our way north. As the bus stopped at the Grand Parade, I got out and braved the pouring rain as I made my way to Stáisiún Kent, while the acoustic version of Hotel California was trying to lighten my spirits.
I was glad I had pre-booked my seat on the train as all trains towards Mallow and beyond were sold out and a large horde of men and women in England rugby jerseys were making their way to the trains that would carry them to Dublin and their rugby team's clash with Ireland's. As it turned out it was easier and cheaper for some English fans to fly to Cork and take the train rather than taking a train to an airport in England and flying to Dublin. I was expecting hordes of Dubs from mallow to Killarney,but I was not prepared for the mathshlua Sasanacha. I was lucky enough though that a friend offered to give me a lift from Mallow to Killarney so I did not have to endure the wrath and mockery of the followers of the big shmoke team. Over the years I have encountered many true Dublin fans. who are passionate and beautifully obsessed with the sky blue team, and unfortunately also the multitudes of, often drunk, amadans who feel the need to follow Dublin GAA during the good times as part of their patriotic duties and follow the sacar during the bad times. The crowd that down cans of Dutch gold like they're glasses of Ribena, spent weeknights designing banners, I was told recently these are called tifos, and composing chants and songs to be sung during games. The very same soccer hooligans that often take over Hill 16 when the team from the capital play at GAA headquarters. I'm convinced that they are a minority, but they are much louder than the true Dublin fans and tarnish Dublin's reputation as a footballing county. Anyway, I avoided them so did not encounter them until I entered the stadium.
The atmosphere in Killarney was great, the weather was dry and wind still, and it looked like a perfect day for football. Dublin had beaten us far too often in previous years. I feel though as if Dublin have hit the other side of the natural curve of teams, whereas Kerry's curve is just going back up again. Kerry look better now than they did last year, whereas I feel Dublin are not better than last year and certainly not better than the year before that. Dublin are still an exceptional team though, but maybe no longer at their peak. It was also more important to Kerry to win as Dublin had the previous three games between the sides. As the saying goes a Kerry footballer with an inferiority complex is a footballer who believes he is as good as everybody else, and the side of the green and gold jersey is worth a few points alone. Though those are cliches I do believe that in this age of sports psychology and systems it was important for the current generation of Kerry footballers to know they can beat Dublin. It probably was also important to Gavin to dispel the myth that Dublin are the two best teams in the country and that an All Ireland between the two best teams in the country would be between Dublin A's and B's. Gavin went with the B's for this game, though Kerry were missing a few key players as well. I believe that Gavin realises that winning League titles does not keep the Dublin support happy and does not keep the players hungry. If he can't squeeze another Al Ireland out of these players his reign might not be deemed successful. Even though he has led Dublin to 4 Leinster titles, an All Ireland and a league title he can't be seen as successful if he doesn't lead this great Dublin team to another All Ireland title. Managers in other counties might be heralded and statues would be erected all around the county, but such is the hype in Dublin that it is never enough. Yesterday's game was only a league game yet for both counties this was an exercise for what is to come later in the year. Gavin needed to see what his famed B's can do and got his answer. Eamon needed to see where he is in the development of the team, but did not get the full answer.
Kerry were unbeatable in the first 15 minutes of the second half, but looked very ordinary in the first half and ragged in the last 10 minutes of the second half. Kerry know better now where we are in our development and we know that work still needs to be done. The conclusion drawn by some that this year kerry just have to show up and walk towards Sam is untrue and based on yesterday's game would be fatalistic. Kerry showed great character though and even when Dublin brought on more firepower and raised the ante they stood their ground and did not give way. I felt towards the end that a draw would have been a fair result, but I'm overjoyed with a two point win over Dublin, despite it only being a league game in March.
Kerry came out a full 45 minutes before the game was supposed to start and did their exercises and warm up in the pouring rain and the biting cold. They then went in and came out again in their shorts and short sleeves about 15 minutes before the game. It has been pointed out before how little regard there seems to be for the national anthem and I felt sorry for the lads standing there while the cold must have penetrated every fibre of their being. Surely it would be a better idea to have a warm up closer to the game and maybe, just maybe, we could have the anthems before the warm up. Kerry looked lethargic and ragged for most of the first half and it was Dublin's indiscipline and Sheahan's brilliance that kept us in the contest. Kerry started brightly and played nice football but very soon in the first half Dublin's half backs copped on and it looked one way traffic for most of the first half. Whenever Dublin attacked they looked comfortable passing the ball around, whereas Kerry couldn't make two handpasses in a row stick.The amount of turnovers was shocking and we looked to play catch up for most of that first half. High ball was leaped aimlessly at the full forwards while Dublin looked much the stronger team there. The strategy seems to be to kick every ball to Donaghy, even though Donaghy was double marked, dragged, pulled, shoved, pushed and everything else. Some commented after the game that Donaghy as Kerry captain should stay out of fights and show exemplary discipline. While nobody can deny that he likes talking to the ref and the players around him, I was of the opinion that he must have the patience of an angel putting up with so much dragging and pulling as he was subjected to in that first half. There will always be some dragging and pulling in a physical game when players are going for a ball, but the off the ball stuff was just atrocious. Donaghy kept pointing this out to the umpires, rather than taking manners into his own hands, and kept signalling towards the sideline as if asking what he should do, and I would have forgiven him in an instant for KO-ing Fitzsimons and O'Carroll. Overall I don't find Dublin dirtier or tougher than some other teams, but those two looked on a mission to get Kerry's captain sent off. Dinghy's reputation goes against him of course and I think most teams will target him as they know he sometimes doesn't keep a cool head. He will have to deal with that as it is part of the game. I think he dealt well with it yesterday. He should have gotten a penalty in the second half and if only he had protested more that time, he would have.
That first half though Dublin looked so much more impressive than kerry but they were also a lot more physical. They went into every tackle with controlled aggression and looked like a team possessed the way they contested every ball. Ciaran Kilkenny, Costello and McManamon caused all sorts of trouble and only because of Kealy's excellent stopping and a bit of luck did we not concede a couple of goals. The opportunities were there for Dublin and I'm sure that Paul Flynn or Connolly would have converted those goal chances. McCaffrey was given a lot of room to run and his passing and point taking caused us a whole lot of trouble in that first half. In my opinion it looked like Costello and McManamon were well on top of Pa Kilkenny and Fionn, but their scoring suggests otherwise. Costello was held scoreless and McManamon only scored a goal so defensively they held their man. KIlkenny and Griffin came into this game with a point to prove and they did in my opinion. Kilkenny, in particular, in looked very good in defence and even better going forward. His man roamed around the pitch and he stuck with him like a bloodhound. I do not know what he is like during the training sessions, but I see now why Eamon has suck with him for these 3 matches. Griffin too had a great game and even though Dublin did have their goal chances I believe that mealy and Griffin constantly narrowed the angle such that the Dublin forwards decided to go for a point. One point of criticism though is the way Kerry seem to play a lot of ball in front of the goalmouth. Just kicking it out of defence is no option either, but the goal was conceded by not clearing the ball properly and at times it looked like Kerry were courting with disaster. Fion played a lot better in the second half and it looks like he is adapting well to the corner. I still prefer him on the wing, but we have options there already. Fion had the toughest of task in curtailing McManamon and did well. Griffin was charged with O'Gara and though I don't think O'Gara is the best Dublin have to offer he is very hard to deal with it. Griffin restricted him to a point which means he had a very good game.
The half backs were solid with Sherwood being brilliant. Sherwood put his body on the line all day and out in a man of the match performance. Absolutely scintillating stuff in my opinion. Likewise Lyne and Murphy. Murphy was unlucky to get a black card, but given the black cards for Dublin he can't complain. Kinsella was consistent and had a good game in my opinion. He ld the game flow without it spiralling out of control. Even when it got very scruffy towards the end he kept a tight leash. In these horrendous conditions and given the history of tight Kerry-Dublin clashes it could well have ended a lot worse. We don't often say the ref had a good game, but I think it has to be said this time. Even though Kinsella was long a nominee for the black book for a long time he could not be faulted yesterday. He consulted his umpires and his linesmen and took very good decisions and let the game flow. Murphy did very well in the game and Killian Young did even better when he came on. It was obvious that he had a point to prove and he did it. Competition for places gets the best out of players and it certainly got the very best out of Killian Young.
Moran and Maher were imperious in the middle and especially in the beginning of the second half they could do no wrong. Despite the bullying of Bastick and later O'sullivan, Carthy and Brady they let the football do the talking and they refused to get dragged into the battle of the dark arts. One thing I don't get though is the protection of players in football. There is a very hard line being drawn at the moment in rugby about handling a man in the air and high tackling, but the same isn't the case in football. As Bastick committed his black card tackle I held my breath as it looked like the kind of stuff that could land a man in hospital. Despite Gavin's view of the incidents I would argue that some of the yellow and black cards could have been straight reds as well. How long do we allow that kind of tackle? Until someone plunges headlong into the ground and breaks his neck? A black card was probably the right call, but I was very relieved to see Maher get up after that. The same is true for high tackling which was common as well. More and more players lower their center of gravity when going into the tackle, thus assuring they have a better chance of riding the tackle out, but this also leads to more incidents where a player gets hit in the head or the neck. Luckily no serious injuries have been the result yet, but maybe the GAA congress should have a look at that next time. Football is a contact sport and needs to stay physical, but as the game becomes faster, more physical and harder the injuries will get worse as well.
In the forwards I thought that Mikey Geaney had an off day and Eamon must have thought so too as he was substituted at half time. He started very well though so maybe he picked up a slight injury. I hope not. McCaffrey had him in trouble all throughout the first half, but McCaffrey was kept very quiet in the second half. Moving O'Brien to the 40 though was instrumental and compared with moving Barry John to the full forward line is what gave Kerry that extra edge in the second half. Barry John was brilliant in my opinion and exploited the fact that Donaghy was double marked for most of the game. It created space for Paul Geaney and Barry John and they used it well. Paul was unlucky not to get a goal or two and he seems to be the kind of guy that is very hard on himself when he misses chances. I do not want to be the Corkman that marks him next Sunday as Paul will probably want to correct that.
Buckley and Sheahan did a lot of the hard work and got onto a lot of ball and their passing was very good. In previous games it was somewhat off so they obviously trained a lot and they looked like starters yesterday. Sheahan's kicking is what kept us in the game in the first half and the man has to be one of the best, if not the best, freetaker in football. As Weeshie pointed out on the radio Kerry have their very own Johnny Sexton in him, with the one difference being that Sheahan is better than Sexton. Tommy Walsh made a cameo appearance and got onto some good ball, but could not outrun his marker. He is adapting very well to the Kerry game though and seems to improve each time he comes on. I think we are in for a treat once the championship starts.
For all the talk of the football clashing with the rugby I could see nobody leaving before the end and I wasn't even a bit interested in running to the pub after the game after the spectacle we had just witnessed. It was an absolutely first rate performance by kerry and though it was squeaky bum time towards the end kerry looked the better team for most of the game. Despite that first half Kerry dominated the game and if we can keep this form going next week we might inflict another epic defeat on the noisy neighbours. Back today behind the enemy lines, but the flag is flying high and proudly.
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Post by Jigz84 on Mar 2, 2015 14:07:51 GMT
Pathetic criticism of Mikey Geaney on here. He was the only one of the half-forward line trying for most of the first half. I lost count of the number of times McCaffrey lost Buckley and left him for dead.
There was one of the backs who was piss poor in the first half and to be honest has been for a while yet gets little or no criticism.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Mar 2, 2015 14:14:56 GMT
Pathetic criticism of Mikey Geaney on here. He was the only one of the half-forward line trying for most of the first half. I lost count of the number of times McCaffrey lost Buckley and left him for dead. There was one of the backs who was piss poor in the first half and to be honest has been for a while yet gets little or no criticism. The fact that Mikey Geaney was substituted at half time tells it all though. It was uncharacteristic of him to play as poorly as he did though he doesn't deserve the criticism that he gets either. I'm not sure if he carries a slight injury or if it was fitness related or if he just had an off day, but the game got a lot better when Stephen O'Brien took his spot and Barry John came on. We might see this Sunday what Mikey Geaney can do.
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Post by skybluezone on Mar 2, 2015 14:19:10 GMT
It would be great if Donaghy could rein in the sledging and yapping at the ref. It's too much. Fully agree, he won't get through the season unscratched if he doesn't change that aspect of his game.Sure you've been saying this for years, and he still does. Which is exactly my point!
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Post by keane on Mar 2, 2015 14:25:01 GMT
Pathetic criticism of Mikey Geaney on here. He was the only one of the half-forward line trying for most of the first half. I lost count of the number of times McCaffrey lost Buckley and left him for dead. There was one of the backs who was piss poor in the first half and to be honest has been for a while yet gets little or no criticism. Is it not "pathetic" of you to say that Sheehan and Buckley didn't try in the first half? Presumably you are referring to Fionn Fitz who was highlighted after the Mayo game as having been poor.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Mar 2, 2015 14:34:40 GMT
On Donaghy- he is a bit of wind-up merchant but I doubt Rory O Carroll was telling him about how his eyes twinkled in the spring light.
He gets fouled off the ball and on the ball consistently because of his physical frame- guys cant compete so they foul- talk of his antics is blown out of proportion. He doesnt get any sort of protection/fair assessment by refs as he is a big man and "sure cant he look after himself"- the majority of the balls that go in, he gets fouled on- including those that he wins. Overall this leads to a sense of displeasure that he sometimes loses the head about- I have never seen him engage in anything but a bit of handbags and its not often (if ever) that you see him going out to illegally do damage to a lad.
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Post by Jigz84 on Mar 2, 2015 14:47:11 GMT
Pathetic criticism of Mikey Geaney on here. He was the only one of the half-forward line trying for most of the first half. I lost count of the number of times McCaffrey lost Buckley and left him for dead. There was one of the backs who was piss poor in the first half and to be honest has been for a while yet gets little or no criticism. Is it not "pathetic" of you to say that Sheehan and Buckley didn't try in the first half? Presumably you are referring to Fionn Fitz who was highlighted after the Mayo game as having been poor. Perhaps but what's good for the goose and all that. Yes, correct.
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Post by Jigz84 on Mar 2, 2015 14:48:40 GMT
Pathetic criticism of Mikey Geaney on here. He was the only one of the half-forward line trying for most of the first half. I lost count of the number of times McCaffrey lost Buckley and left him for dead. There was one of the backs who was piss poor in the first half and to be honest has been for a while yet gets little or no criticism. The fact that Mikey Geaney was substituted at half time tells it all though. It was uncharacteristic of him to play as poorly as he did though he doesn't deserve the criticism that he gets either. I'm not sure if he carries a slight injury or if it was fitness related or if he just had an off day, but the game got a lot better when Stephen O'Brien took his spot and Barry John came on. We might see this Sunday what Mikey Geaney can do. No it doesn't. It wouldn't be the first time management of any team took the easiest option.
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Post by Jigz84 on Mar 2, 2015 14:57:16 GMT
Stephen O'Brien is a fine player but has a tendency to dwell on the ball and run into cul de sacs. It happened several times yesterday resulting in cheap turnovers. One part of his game that needs to be improved.
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Post by keane on Mar 2, 2015 14:58:34 GMT
Is it not "pathetic" of you to say that Sheehan and Buckley didn't try in the first half? Presumably you are referring to Fionn Fitz who was highlighted after the Mayo game as having been poor. Perhaps but what's good for the goose and all that. Yes, correct. I would think questioning whether a player is up to the level or not is quite different from saying players didn't try. Just a personal thing.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Mar 2, 2015 14:59:48 GMT
The fact that Mikey Geaney was substituted at half time tells it all though. It was uncharacteristic of him to play as poorly as he did though he doesn't deserve the criticism that he gets either. I'm not sure if he carries a slight injury or if it was fitness related or if he just had an off day, but the game got a lot better when Stephen O'Brien took his spot and Barry John came on. We might see this Sunday what Mikey Geaney can do. No it doesn't. It wouldn't be the first time management of any team took the easiest option. The easy option being to substitute the only player that was doing well according to you? Doesn't sound like an easy option. Geaney wasn't the only one doing badly in the first half, Fionn certainly not doing well as you pointed out as well. Apart from Mikey Geaney getting a very good point though the whole forward unit was not performing well in the first half. Kerry were motoring well in that first half in midfield and it was up to Sheehan, Buckley and Geaney to get the ball out of the danger zone and apart from Sheehan that did not happen.
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Post by Jigz84 on Mar 2, 2015 15:02:08 GMT
Perhaps but what's good for the goose and all that. Yes, correct. I would think questioning whether a player is up to the level or not is quite different from saying players didn't try. Just a personal thing. Unfortunate wording on my behalf and point taken. But criticism of Mikey is over the top at times on here. He played an important role last year and will do so again this year. He's not perfect by any means but he's a grafter and has kicked a few fine points this year, something he lacked last year.
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Post by Jigz84 on Mar 2, 2015 15:04:04 GMT
No it doesn't. It wouldn't be the first time management of any team took the easiest option. The easy option being to substitute the only player that was doing well according to you? Doesn't sound like an easy option. Geaney wasn't the only one doing badly in the first half, Fionn certainly not doing well as you pointed out as well. Apart from Mikey Geaney getting a very good point though the whole forward unit was not performing well in the first half. Kerry were motoring well in that first half in midfield and it was up to Sheehan, Buckley and Geaney to get the ball out of the danger zone and apart from Sheehan that did not happen. No Duic, by the easiest option I mean removing the less glamorous name, etc.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Mar 2, 2015 15:19:52 GMT
The easy option being to substitute the only player that was doing well according to you? Doesn't sound like an easy option. Geaney wasn't the only one doing badly in the first half, Fionn certainly not doing well as you pointed out as well. Apart from Mikey Geaney getting a very good point though the whole forward unit was not performing well in the first half. Kerry were motoring well in that first half in midfield and it was up to Sheehan, Buckley and Geaney to get the ball out of the danger zone and apart from Sheehan that did not happen. No Duic, by the easiest option I mean removing the less glamorous name, etc. If Eamon has shown something it is that he is not afraid to put people on the bench regardless of who they are. Not even the Gooch would be safe from substitution. I'm not saying that Mikey had an awful game, but something was not working. When he O"Brien was moved to his spot it clicked in a way it didn't do before. I think you have to give Eamon credit for that. Stephen O'Brien wasn't doing great in the first half in the corner but came alive in the second half. And yes, I agree that he gave away possession a few times in the second half, but overall I think he had a very good game once he moved to the 40. Whatever the reason for Mikey not performing at his usual level yesterday it is a simple fact that Kerry did much better once the substitution was made. Geaney has had excellent games as well for Kerry and I fully agree as well that he doesn't always get the credit he deserves when things are going well. I suspect you're a Dingle man or related to him and I think you're right standing up for him, but the fact is that even though he wasn't the worst player in the first half the game changed fully when he was substituted. It wasn't his fault, but the dynamics changed and therefore it was the right switch to make.
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Post by Jigz84 on Mar 2, 2015 15:22:49 GMT
No I've no connection whatsoever to Mikey but he seems to be the fall guy at times, and unfairly so IMO when there were others around him doing no better.
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Post by givehimaball on Mar 2, 2015 16:36:48 GMT
No I've no connection whatsoever to Mikey but he seems to be the fall guy at times, and unfairly so IMO when there were others around him doing no better. I thought Sheehan and Buckley were very close to him in terms of performance in the first half (thought the half-forward line was a disaster zone in the first half) and none of the 3 could have complained if they were subbed at half-time. The other two had the advantage/luxury of upping their performance a fair bit in the 2nd half but Geaney didn't have the option to redeem himself.
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Post by givehimaball on Mar 2, 2015 16:42:26 GMT
Found this list of Dublin players
Alan Brogan Ciaran Reddin Conor McHugh Darragh Nelson David Bryne Davy Bryne Declan O'Mahony Diarmuid Connolly Emmett O'Conghaile Eoin Culligan Ger Brennan James McCarthy Johnny Small Kevin Nolan Michael Darragh MacAuley Michael Deegan Niall McGovern Paul Flynn Phillip Ryan Stephen Cluxton
That plus the 21 players used yesterday show the sort of strength in depth the Dubs are operating with
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Post by fitz on Mar 2, 2015 16:42:44 GMT
No I've no connection whatsoever to Mikey but he seems to be the fall guy at times, and unfairly so IMO when there were others around him doing no better. I agree that Mikey is the fall guy for a lot. His strengths are his work rate and scavenging but the Dublin half backs were swarming forward. Sheehan's handling in first half was poor but his free taking certainly in those conditions he's never coming off. Buckley is key player for Kerry now, protects possession a scoreboard ticker consistently. He had some amount of possession yesterday but wasn't great in first half. Fionn was poor in first half, beaten too easily twice, but a stormer in second. Mikey has played well in a number of games but I think his best work is earlier than later as the game progresses. It made sense to me that he was withdrawn as he wasn't playing well with his best attributes. For now I think he is a squad player to fit in for specific tasks. I don't think he yet proven he owns a jersey. Paul Geaney could have been withdrawn too but he has been very consistent and had heavy Sigerson match just days earlier. Paul Murphy is world class, Paidi O Se og
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Post by buck02 on Mar 2, 2015 16:43:43 GMT
I think it would be of great benefit if the GAA handed out a small booklet covering the rules of Gaelic Football at the Hill turnstiles (or maybe with every purchase of 6 cans of Dutch Gold) as I don't think I have ever observed a more clueless bunch of "fans" than those I had the misfortune to land myself near yesterday. It was also fairly comical to see them gather by the tunnel roaring abuse at the referee and Kerry players as they exited the pitch. We cant forget that Dublin were missing 7 or 8 of their 1st 15 yesterday (we probably were too) but maybe now the myth that they have the 30 best footballers in the country can be eradicated. I firmly believe Dublin will be there on the 3rd Sunday in September this year but I'm not sure if they are the unbeatable 5 in a row team we were told they were last year - maybe the hacks in the capital will have to have another think. I'm glad I didn't see anything like that yesterday although one ignoramus behind me couldn't stop personally abusing Donaghy throughout the game. At the end I was leaving the Stand side at the same time the Kerry team and the Dubs in front of me applauded. I haven't much time for the soccer chants but most of the Dub supporters I met yesterday seemed a decent bunch - being prepared to travel at this time of year should indicate a higher degree of commitment and appreciation of the game.Well I suppose they don't have to travel any other time of the year. I think I few of them doubled up the weekend with the protest in Killarney on Saturday too. The fans near me spent 5 minutes before the game complaining that Diarmuid Connolly didn't get player of the year last year and that a fella called Kieran O Donoghue, who only played in the semi final and final, got player of the year. And maybe I was sat near you (or maybe there was more than one at it) but this one guy must have called Donaghy a certain name beginning with K (and I don't mean Kieran) about 20 times near the end. On the game itself the most pleasing thing for me were the displays of Kilkenny, Lyne and Sherwood. While not flawless by any means, I felt they asserted themselves very well all day. We all know we have loads of options up front, its nice to see these lads put up their hands for a place in the backs.
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Post by Jo90 on Mar 2, 2015 17:18:48 GMT
Found this list of Dublin players Alan Brogan Ciaran Reddin Conor McHugh Darragh Nelson David Bryne Davy Bryne Declan O'Mahony Diarmuid Connolly Emmett O'Conghaile Eoin Culligan Ger Brennan James McCarthy Johnny Small Kevin Nolan Michael Darragh MacAuley Michael Deegan Niall McGovern Paul Flynn Phillip Ryan Stephen Cluxton That plus the 21 players used yesterday show the sort of strength in depth the Dubs are operating with Gooch has more talent than all of them put together and they can only field 15 of them :-)
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Post by Ballyfireside on Mar 2, 2015 17:32:35 GMT
No I've no connection whatsoever to Mikey but he seems to be the fall guy at times, and unfairly so IMO when there were others around him doing no better. I agree that Mikey is the fall guy for a lot. His strengths are his work rate and scavenging but the Dublin half backs were swarming forward. Sheehan's handling in first half was poor but his free taking certainly in those conditions he's never coming off. Buckley is key player for Kerry now, protects possession a scoreboard ticker consistently. He had some amount of possession yesterday but wasn't great in first half. Fionn was poor in first half, beaten too easily twice, but a stormer in second. Mikey has played well in a number of games but I think his best work is earlier than later as the game progresses. It made sense to me that he was withdrawn as he wasn't playing well with his best attributes. For now I think he is a squad player to fit in for specific tasks. I don't think he yet proven he owns a jersey. Paul Geaney could have been withdrawn too but he has been very consistent and had heavy Sigerson match just days earlier. Paul Murphy is world class, Paidi O Se og Paul is the modern day version and his interview the morning after the AI final was amazing for someone so new to the media. Geaney had an off day but he isn't the first to have one and he won't be the last. Fitzy & co are nothing if they aren't fair, and brave. KD will get a lot of bashing from those who can't cope with him and he needs to make establish a frame of mind that makes life easier for himself, moreover as he is captain, and it is the only remaining ingredient to the blend that will invite the kindness of history to a great man today. His game intelligence and anticipation is remarkable by any standards and I can't see anything comparable in other teams; well I'm no hurling expert so King Henry may also be in that vein and doesn't he have few years on KD. KD was penalised and would have seen red for what could have looked like a high tackle but TV showed that it wasn't anything of the sort and once he stays clean, refs will give him the benefit of the doubt as others try to distort his focus.
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 2, 2015 18:45:01 GMT
Five of Kerrys points came from kickouts by Curry
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 2, 2015 18:46:47 GMT
skybluezone
Lets pretend that you are Jim Gavin and you are picking the Dublin team to play Kerry in the 2015 All Ireland Final. You have a full panel and everyone is fit and on form.
What 15 would you go with
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Post by glengael on Mar 2, 2015 18:47:18 GMT
In my lengthy piece I forgot to give credit to Bryan Sheehan. Some of his efforts reminded me of other cold Co.C'ship days in Killarney. I was bemused when he was taken off, given that the game was tight and a long range free or two could have been crucial.
Is Phillip O'Connor the first Cordal man to play senior?
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Post by roll on Mar 2, 2015 19:14:13 GMT
What did ye make of the "challenge" by Fitzsimons? Was there even a belt? He got sent off for stupidity surely?
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Post by ballynamona on Mar 2, 2015 19:16:01 GMT
Is Phillip O'Connor the first Cordal man to play senior? I think I saw mention that he is the first Cordal man since Tim 'Tiger' Lyons to play senior. But as far as I know, even if Lyons was from Cordal, he played with Desmonds. I thought Buckley should have made way instead of M Geaney, but to give Buckley his due, he upped his game. Definitely keen competition in the backs now. Sherwood will be difficult to dislodge.
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Post by greengold35 on Mar 2, 2015 19:26:52 GMT
Just wondering if Philip Horan , Desmonds but originally Cordal, played senior whilst with Cordal or Desmonds?
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