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Post by stevieq on Apr 28, 2015 18:46:18 GMT
Morale very bad in Cork these last couple of days. You'd think they would be used to it by now!!! In fairness, it's hard to explain last Sunday away. I know that Cork got off to a flyer against us in the league and maybe we tuned out a bit after those early couple of goals, but it's still hard to equate Corks performance that day with the show put on last Sunday. I don't know if there's not something else going on in the camp. You got to wonder the bad timing of the Alan O'Connor announcement. Here's a team topping the league, through to a final, and the week before management are effectively saying "our mid field is sh*t and we need to bring a few back from retirement". Even in Counihans bad days they went down in flames and still fighting.
Munster final shaping up to be an interesting one. Is there a sting in the tale coming from them. Hope we won't be hearing some cork fella shouting into the mike after the match - "what do you think of that Joe Brolly"
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Apr 28, 2015 19:50:26 GMT
Ha MM, it was the Kerry men who started that aul craic ... def not me but Im sure I responded with my 2 cents !! All history now of course.. maybe I am wrong Dermot. My recollection is that you joined the forum the day after the 2003 semi final and that you started banging on about the TEAM OF THE DECADE after the 2005 final. But look, I do get lots of things wrong. Well it was certainly you this decade Mick! One more Sam this year for Kerry, Cork or Donegal and it's level pegging already. Apart from the 1990s Kerry have picked up a minimum of about 3 per decade or something haven't yis? We haven't really 'had a decade' since around 1900 I think. If it is to be once every 100 years then we've missed our chance already. I wonder what other side will emerge this decade? Could be Tyrone again. I wouldn't write off Cork yet. Players that people sometimes lazily label as 'not good enough' turn out to be vital performers when other things come together.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 28, 2015 20:11:58 GMT
Rashers.... as the Dubs trooped away from "startled earwigs" fiasco v Kerry in 2009, few could have imagined what the next 5 years would bring.... two SAMS, a few All Irelands at minor and U21, domination in Leinster, an All Ireland for the Jackies, Bob O Keeffe for the hurlers, club titles for Dublin clubs... and three leagues in a row.... and a league title for the hurlers too.
Its been some five years.
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Post by fitz on Apr 28, 2015 22:50:46 GMT
maybe I am wrong Dermot. My recollection is that you joined the forum the day after the 2003 semi final and that you started banging on about the TEAM OF THE DECADE after the 2005 final. But look, I do get lots of things wrong. Well it was certainly you this decade Mick! One more Sam this year for Kerry, Cork or Donegal and it's level pegging already. Apart from the 1990s Kerry have picked up a minimum of about 3 per decade or something haven't yis? We haven't really 'had a decade' since around 1900 I think. If it is to be once every 100 years then we've missed our chance already. I wonder what other side will emerge this decade? Could be Tyrone again. I wouldn't write off Cork yet. Players that people sometimes lazily label as 'not good enough' turn out to be vital performers when other things come together. I thought Cork would win on Sunday, based on form . It was the wrong form I was looking at. Now c'mon Rashers what 'other things coming together' can you fathom? The discovery of belief that three demolitions in a row when cups were on the line fosters?
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Apr 29, 2015 5:50:34 GMT
Nobody will remember who was, or who wasn't, the team of the decade in 20 years time and the only thing that counts is the medals that were won. That's what goes into the history books, so I don't care if any other team wants to claim team of the decade, team of the lustrum, team of the decennium, team of the trimester, or whatever. The facts, and only the cold facts will count in the end.
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Post by fitz on Apr 29, 2015 6:07:36 GMT
Nobody will remember who was, or who wasn't, the team of the decade in 20 years time and the only thing that counts is the medals that were won. That's what goes into the history books, so I don't care if any other team wants to claim team of the decade, team of the lustrum, team of the decennium, team of the trimester, or whatever. The facts, and only the cold facts will count in the end. Too simplistic Seoirse and would strongly disagree. Yes the four victories are standout memories from the 2000s, and fondly and proudly will be always be remembered. Here's one who will never forget those three defeats to Tyrone in that decade and I wager that any assessment of that decade will always balance the count of cups won with the head to head results. It is a very unique combination and contrast.
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 29, 2015 8:17:09 GMT
Nobody will remember who was, or who wasn't, the team of the decade in 20 years time and the only thing that counts is the medals that were won. That's what goes into the history books, so I don't care if any other team wants to claim team of the decade, team of the lustrum, team of the decennium, team of the trimester, or whatever. The facts, and only the cold facts will count in the end. Too simplistic Seoirse and would strongly disagree. Yes the f our victories are standout memories from the 2000s, and fondly and proudly will be always be remembered. Here's one who will never forget those three defeats to Tyrone in that decade and I wager that any assessment of that decade will always balance the count of cups won with the head to head results. It is a very unique combination and contrast. I'm pretty sure Kerry won 5 titles during the 00s from 8 final appearances? Then again the past becomes a blur pretty quickly!
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Post by kot on Apr 29, 2015 8:23:18 GMT
Too simplistic Seoirse and would strongly disagree. Yes the f our victories are standout memories from the 2000s, and fondly and proudly will be always be remembered. Here's one who will never forget those three defeats to Tyrone in that decade and I wager that any assessment of that decade will always balance the count of cups won with the head to head results. It is a very unique combination and contrast. I'm pretty sure Kerry won 5 titles during the 00s from 8 final appearances? Then again the past becomes a blur pretty quickly! 5 indeed. '00, '04, 06, '07, '09. Rashers, would you not call the '70's a decade for the Dubs??? Winning 3 All Irelands?? Appearing in 6 finals??
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Post by Dermot on Apr 29, 2015 11:34:45 GMT
I dont think that has any relevance to who started harping on about Team of the Decade Mick ... And in both 2005 & 2008 it was very definitely emanating from Kerry (I seem to remember the Bomber being rather vocal on it)... I'm sure I probably did respond in kind but I definitely didn't "start" that aul craic .. Nooooo Way !! Anyway, we're a long way from TOTD in this decade :-(
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Post by Dermot on Apr 29, 2015 12:26:28 GMT
Nobody will remember who was, or who wasn't, the team of the decade in 20 years time and the only thing that counts is the medals that were won. That's what goes into the history books, so I don't care if any other team wants to claim team of the decade, team of the lustrum, team of the decennium, team of the trimester, or whatever. The facts, and only the cold facts will count in the end. Too simplistic Seoirse and would strongly disagree. Yes the four victories are standout memories from the 2000s, and fondly and proudly will be always be remembered. Here's one who will never forget those three defeats to Tyrone in that decade and I wager that any assessment of that decade will always balance the count of cups won with the head to head results. It is a very unique combination and contrast. Yeah, they really were 2 great teams .. And it was certainly a unique experience for us in Tyrone anyway !! ... A lot of old men thought they'd never see it .. and a lot of young ones too to be honest, myself included .. Just thought it would never happen but thank God it did !! .. And with any luck it might even happen again some day
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Post by Ard Mhacha on Apr 29, 2015 18:15:45 GMT
Too simplistic Seoirse and would strongly disagree. Yes the four victories are standout memories from the 2000s, and fondly and proudly will be always be remembered. Here's one who will never forget those three defeats to Tyrone in that decade and I wager that any assessment of that decade will always balance the count of cups won with the head to head results. It is a very unique combination and contrast. Yeah, they really were 2 great teams .. And it was certainly a unique experience for us in Tyrone anyway !! ... A lot of old men thought they'd never see it .. and a lot of young ones too to be honest, myself included .. Just thought it would never happen but thank God it did !! .. And with any luck it might even happen again some day That's a filthy mouth you have, Dermot. I've never heard the likes
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Apr 29, 2015 21:49:55 GMT
Nobody will remember who was, or who wasn't, the team of the decade in 20 years time and the only thing that counts is the medals that were won. That's what goes into the history books, so I don't care if any other team wants to claim team of the decade, team of the lustrum, team of the decennium, team of the trimester, or whatever. The facts, and only the cold facts will count in the end. Too simplistic Seoirse and would strongly disagree. Yes the four victories are standout memories from the 2000s, and fondly and proudly will be always be remembered. Here's one who will never forget those three defeats to Tyrone in that decade and I wager that any assessment of that decade will always balance the count of cups won with the head to head results. It is a very unique combination and contrast. I will remember it alright, but won't care. Unless Tyrone will make a miraculous comeback soon it will go down the same way as the rivalries with Kildare and Cavan of yesteryear that are remembered but no more than that. What is remembered mostly is that Kerry won 5 in a decade and that they had some mighty battles with Tyrone failing to win another two, but nobody will remember that whole team of the decade debate. Who really cares? I care only for more titles for Kerry and a team, is only as good as the last win. As soon as the All Ireland was won I was hoping for another one. And I know for sure that I am not the only one thinking like that.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Apr 29, 2015 21:50:22 GMT
I'm pretty sure Kerry won 5 titles during the 00s from 8 final appearances? Then again the past becomes a blur pretty quickly! 5 indeed. '00, '04, 06, '07, '09. Rashers, would you not call the '70's a decade for the Dubs??? Winning 3 All Irelands?? Appearing in 6 finals?? And pray tell, what did Kerry do in that decade? (am I really asking a Kerry supporter that question on a Kerry forum?? )
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Apr 29, 2015 21:56:27 GMT
Well it was certainly you this decade Mick! One more Sam this year for Kerry, Cork or Donegal and it's level pegging already. Apart from the 1990s Kerry have picked up a minimum of about 3 per decade or something haven't yis? We haven't really 'had a decade' since around 1900 I think. If it is to be once every 100 years then we've missed our chance already. I wonder what other side will emerge this decade? Could be Tyrone again. I wouldn't write off Cork yet. Players that people sometimes lazily label as 'not good enough' turn out to be vital performers when other things come together. I thought Cork would win on Sunday, based on form . It was the wrong form I was looking at. Now c'mon Rashers what 'other things coming together' can you fathom? The discovery of belief that three demolitions in a row when cups were on the line fosters? To name a few - coach, backroom team (including psychology), county board, fixture management, overall treatment and handling of players, emphasis not so much on hurling/against football, injuries (and how handled). Football is very much mainly West Cork right? Would it be idle speculation or even fantasy to say that the mentality isn't exactly a ruthless determination to win and to dominate at all costs? I thought that the standard of football played by Cork in the era from about 2003-2013 was often not great. If anything it was at its worst in 2010, but other factors helped produce an All-I win.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Apr 29, 2015 21:57:51 GMT
Rashers.... as the Dubs trooped away from "startled earwigs" fiasco v Kerry in 2009, few could have imagined what the next 5 years would bring.... two SAMS, a few All Irelands at minor and U21, domination in Leinster, an All Ireland for the Jackies, Bob O Keeffe for the hurlers, club titles for Dublin clubs... and three leagues in a row.... and a league title for the hurlers too. Its been some five years. Do yis ever even get a tiny bit tired of always winning Mick?
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Post by kot on Apr 30, 2015 9:28:49 GMT
5 indeed. '00, '04, 06, '07, '09. Rashers, would you not call the '70's a decade for the Dubs??? Winning 3 All Irelands?? Appearing in 6 finals?? And pray tell, what did Kerry do in that decade? (am I really asking a Kerry supporter that question on a Kerry forum?? ) But does that automatically mean Dublin did not have a decade? Or are we specifically getting into a "team of the decade discussion", in which case. . . . yeah, we came up trumps again But I doubt that because Kerry won 5 and Tyrone won 3 for example that Tyrone won't look back on the noughties as a decade for them also. If Chelsea or United go ahead and share the rest of the titles for the remainder of this decade between them will City fans not look back on this one as a decade for them?
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Post by playitfair on Apr 30, 2015 11:54:27 GMT
Rashers, I believe KOT has a point. Dublin had a great decade in the 70s and were a great team with no question marks over them, other than they ultimately succumbed to probably the greatest football team to ever play the game.
In relation to Kerry/Tyrone in the 00's, there could be certain question marks such as Kerry never beat Tyrone in Croke Park on 3 occasions while Tyrone really only competed seriously on those three occasions they won the All-Ireland. On the positive side for Kerry there were 6 A-I Finals in a row, back to back A-I's etc. Based on their high level of performance over a longer period, Kerry of the 00's were a great team.
As regards Dublin, time will tell. Winning league titles might help in winning all-Ireland's but will not be a criterion used in gauging a teams greatness.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Apr 30, 2015 14:11:47 GMT
Playitfair, and Kot, Mick had started a discussion/made a statement about "team of the decade", whereupon an tUasal Kot said about the 70s. If the discussion had been about "great teams of decades/eras", that would be a point. My post was in the context of Mick's post(s), and naturally I assumed Kot's was too.
Perhaps to be as open-minded as possible about it, in the context of Mick's "team of the decade" comment which provoked my post and subsequently Kot's post, the statement by Kot regarding the 70s could only be taken, I felt, two ways: namely either A. Kot is asking me whether "Dublin were the team of the 70s" (if such a title could exist); or B. that there is an argument about who was "the team of the 70s".
Given that Kot subsequently clarified that, in fact, "We (Kerry) came out on top (in the 70s)", one is left to assume that he meant neither of those meanings that I could only fathom from his post. It seems that there exists a third possible meaning, according to Kot's last post, to the effect that, and representing an almost utopian belief, there can be two 'teams of the decade' (or theoretically more), thus in one fell swoop proposing a solution to the endless bickering about the last decade?
Either way, please clarify and explain your opinion Kot. On that note, any opinions Mick or others on who was 'team of the 60s'? And would that judgement be ultimately decided by playitfair's belittled national league achievements? Or was it simply the case that Kerry were 'the team', given they won 2 and lost 4 All-I finals? Whilst Down 'did a Tyrone on it', and Galway only appeared in one final apart from the 3 they won.
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Post by playitfair on Apr 30, 2015 15:10:55 GMT
I think you have struck the nail on the head when saying there could be 2 teams of the decade. Certainly there were 2 in the 70s.
As regards belittling league achievements, I think winning the league is worthy in itself & can indicate real potential for later in the year. To compare it to horse-racing, it is like winning a good race in the Autumn. It is well remembered by the connections and much appreciated by them as it should be. However the public will only remember the great ones as those that won the "Gold Cup".
It 's not that I am belittling it, I think winning the league is a very fine achievement. Winning Sam is what matters, you should remember that from 2011.
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Post by Jo90 on Apr 30, 2015 16:04:17 GMT
2 things I'd love to remove from Kerry supporters vocal ability: 1. Talking about team of the decade, especially halfway through a decade. 2. Oléing when winning easily (doesn't occur that often and only by a minority but it still grinds my gears when I hear it!)
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Apr 30, 2015 16:19:21 GMT
2. Oléing when winning easily (doesn't occur that often and only by a minority but it still grinds my gears when I hear it!) I only remember it vs Tyrone in 2012. I might have been doing it myself but it kind of hit me later that it was bad form.
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Post by stevieq on Apr 30, 2015 17:52:43 GMT
2. Oléing when winning easily (doesn't occur that often and only by a minority but it still grinds my gears when I hear it!) I only remember it vs Tyrone in 2012. I might have been doing it myself but it kind of hit me later that it was bad form. It was hard not to ole that day! But havent witnessed it much before or since.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 30, 2015 18:30:51 GMT
Rashers.... as the Dubs trooped away from "startled earwigs" fiasco v Kerry in 2009, few could have imagined what the next 5 years would bring.... two SAMS, a few All Irelands at minor and U21, domination in Leinster, an All Ireland for the Jackies, Bob O Keeffe for the hurlers, club titles for Dublin clubs... and three leagues in a row.... and a league title for the hurlers too. Its been some five years. Do yis ever even get a tiny bit tired of always winning Mick? Some are more treasured than most. The ones that are won after a gap are the best for me. 2014, 2004, 2000, 1997 etc. That's why Dublins haul in the past five years must seem unreal given the heartache of the previous 16 years.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 30, 2015 18:38:15 GMT
To borrow the theme from that great film, "Its a wonderful life", what would the GAA be like if Heffo and the Dubs of the 70s never existed?
Its hard to envisage and a good reason for saying that Dublin were the team of the 70s notwithstanding Kerrys haul of 4 SAMS.
And shur only for the ref "Joe McAldridge" Dublin would have won SAM in 1978. Isnt that right rashers!!
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Apr 30, 2015 18:40:58 GMT
I think you have struck the nail on the head when saying there could be 2 teams of the decade. Certainly there were 2 in the 70s. As regards belittling league achievements, I think winning the league is worthy in itself & can indicate real potential for later in the year. To compare it to horse-racing, it is like winning a good race in the Autumn. It is well remembered by the connections and much appreciated by them as it should be. However the public will only remember the great ones as those that won the "Gold Cup". It 's not that I am belittling it, I think winning the league is a very fine achievement. Winning Sam is what matters, you should remember that from 2011. But then isn't there a contradiction in the very notion of 'two teams of the decade'? The same criteria applied to those two teams must by the nature of comparisons (based pretty much on statistics) be equally applied to all other teams in the same decade. Therefore if two teams who didn't match up almost exactly equal in statistical achievements in a given era or period of time are deemed both equal, (which is surely the conclusion in terms of defining 'team of the decade' where two teams are given equally that title), then any other team could also be given that title, no? By it's very definition, the title of "best" in any field of endeavour can only be given to one entity, unless somehow against almost all known records, two or more teams end up with the exact same record of achievement over a 10 year period. Speaking of statistics, so far in this decade Cork have won one All-I and three national leagues at senior football level.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Apr 30, 2015 18:44:05 GMT
Do yis ever even get a tiny bit tired of always winning Mick? Some are more treasured than most. The ones that are won after a gap are the best for me. 2014, 2004, 2000, 1997 etc. That's why Dublins haul in the past five years must seem unreal given the heartache of the previous 16 years. A 'gap'? From 1997 til 2000?? From 2000 til 2004??? Really? Sure then there's almost always a gap!
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Post by Chinatown on Apr 30, 2015 19:54:22 GMT
Some are more treasured than most. The ones that are won after a gap are the best for me. 2014, 2004, 2000, 1997 etc. That's why Dublins haul in the past five years must seem unreal given the heartache of the previous 16 years. A 'gap'? From 1997 til 2000?? From 2000 til 2004??? Really? Sure then there's almost always a gap! Sure tis all about the relativity as a fella once declared
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 30, 2015 20:07:04 GMT
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 30, 2015 20:18:49 GMT
The GAA is planning a major event to commemorate the 1916 Easter Rising next year.
It will take place in Croke Park on April 24 - the date the Rising commenced at various locations around Dublin city 100 years earlier.
In a timely coincidence, Sunday, April 24 next year is the date for the Allianz League Division 1 and 2 football finals in Croke Park, which enables the GAA to link the commemorative event with two big games. It will also provide the GAA public with an opportunity to mark the Easter Rising commemoration in the Association's spiritual home.
The attendance at the last five football league finals has averaged 32,500 but the special significance of next year's final is likely to spark a major crowd surge.
Clubs and counties nationwide can also expect to be involved in the event which will probably take place between the two games. The full day's programme will be shown live on TG4.
It's expected that much of the focus will be on Hill 16, which was built from rubble transported from O'Connell Street to Croke Park after the 1916 Rising.
Croke Park also featured prominently in the War of Independence when, tragically, 14 people including Tipperary footballer, Michael Hogan, were shot dead during a Dublin-Tipperary game in November 1920.
An artistic director will be appointed shortly to work on the project with GAA president Aogán ó Fearghail and director-general Páraic Duffy.
It's understood that as well as marking events of 100 years earlier, there will be big emphasis on looking forward to the GAA's role in the Ireland of the future.
To further honour the occasion, the GAA has commissioned a history of its role in Irish life in the 1913-23 period.
It will consist of 10 academic essays by various individuals, edited by Professor Gearóid ó Tuathaigh (NUI Galway).
A series of history seminars will accompany the launch of the book later this year. It's also planned to create an online digital archive, which will allow people worldwide to gain access to GAA library documents relevant to the period.
It will contain digitised minute books, charting activity at national, provincial and county board level.
In addition to the Easter Rising anniversary event, the GAA is also planning to bring the World GAA Games to Ireland in 2016 in order to give the diaspora a chance to mark the special year.
This year's event, staged in Abu Dhabi in March, was a massive success. It will have an August setting in Ireland next year.
Irish Independent
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 30, 2015 20:20:01 GMT
well that should spice up the 2016 league campaign. Easter sunday 2016 in Croker will be the place to be!!
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