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Post by Ard Mhacha on Feb 10, 2015 14:18:06 GMT
Whether it's connected to GAA or not it should be nowhere near this thread ............ I think the discussion started with regards to GAA fans travelling north. Maybe things are more black and white down in Kerry, but up here it pays to be sensible and not do anything that may put your safety at risk. That can be something as simple as having your county crest on your jacket or a county team sticker on your car window. I enjoy holidaying in the South knowing I can wear what I like without worrying about my or my family's safety. Up here, we don't have that luxury that many of you take for granted. So, my apologies for showing a little common sense.
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Post by Jigz84 on Feb 10, 2015 14:21:09 GMT
Whether it's connected to GAA or not it should be nowhere near this thread ............ I think the discussion started with regards to GAA fans travelling north. Maybe things are more black and white down in Kerry, but up here it pays to be sensible and not do anything that may put your safety at risk. That can be something as simple as having your county crest on your jacket or a county team sticker on your car window. I enjoy holidaying in the South knowing I can wear what I like without worrying about my or my family's safety. Up here, we don't have that luxury that many of you take for granted. So, my apologies for showing a little common sense. Wasn't taking a shot at you Ard Mhacha. Nothing wrong with the convo but once again the usual suspects have hijacked a thread.
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Post by Joxer on Feb 10, 2015 14:42:10 GMT
Liam Brosnan was the AN Other on Terrace Talk Buck. A bit ridiculous alright having a discussion on a match none of them had been at. Even when Martin Leen came on, he had to correct them twice when they said that Martin Lynch had got a black card....
Anyway, Sherwood was good on Sunday...as well as I've seen him play in a Kerry jersey. That having been said, Derry played their left corner forward as a sweeper...sometimes behind their own full-back line so there was more space and 'freedom' for our backs. Jack broke forward well for his point..looked in two minds as to whether he should try for a goal and perhaps he should have, the opportunity was there but then easy say that, sitting in the stand. The half-back line all played well as did Mark Griffin. Fionn and Pa seemed to struggle more I thought but not so badly that it screamed for a replacement etc.
Johnny Buckley and David Moran dominated midfield. If I have one criticism of our play around the middle (and a lot more than Moran and Buckley were guilty of this...Moran perhaps least of all) was the amount of short , sideways passing that went on. Some possibly due to lack of movement inside but a lot certainly due to the guy in possession not looking up, a little bit of 'panic' and get rid. Tommy was one of the most 'guilty' in that regard.
Tommy seems to lack confidence at the moment..no signs of the off-the-cuff rampaging style of 2009 but hopefully, that'll all come back.
Bryan Sheehan played very well as did the full inside line. Mikey Geaney did ok without being overly impressive. I wonder will Stephen O'Brien be tried there again soon. I think we pretty much know at this stage what Mikey brings and if hes the best option, so be it but I would like to see other options tried.
A word on Uncle Joe..same as he ever was and if we had the option of avoiding him, we should! Inconsistent and, in my opinion, likes to let everyone know hes there, even when theres no need. Erred I believe for the sending off and used the next 10 mins to try and make up for it.
Finally as others have said, a very nice stadium and a very warm welcome. Derry is definitely worth a vist...even if football isn't involved!
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 10, 2015 17:09:35 GMT
Great to get two points on the road from the North while in transition. It balances out losing two points at home in the previous round. Kerry v Derry last year was Kerry's worst performance of 2014. Kerry are in a much better place than 12 months previously, winning the All-Ireland aside, this was very evident while watching Kerry v Mayo in the first round.
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Post by blackisbad on Feb 10, 2015 17:21:11 GMT
Liam Brosnan was the AN Other on Terrace Talk Buck. A bit ridiculous alright having a discussion on a match none of them had been at. Even when Martin Leen came on, he had to correct them twice when they said that Martin Lynch had got a black card.... Anyway, Sherwood was good on Sunday...as well as I've seen him play in a Kerry jersey. That having been said, Derry played their left corner forward as a sweeper...sometimes behind their own full-back line so there was more space and 'freedom' for our backs. Jack broke forward well for his point..looked in two minds as to whether he should try for a goal and perhaps he should have, the opportunity was there but then easy say that, sitting in the stand. The half-back line all played well as did Mark Griffin. Fionn and Pa seemed to struggle more I thought but not so badly that it screamed for a replacement etc. Johnny Buckley and David Moran dominated midfield. If I have one criticism of our play around the middle (and a lot more than Moran and Buckley were guilty of this...Moran perhaps least of all) was the amount of short , sideways passing that went on. Some possibly due to lack of movement inside but a lot certainly due to the guy in possession not looking up, a little bit of 'panic' and get rid. Tommy was one of the most 'guilty' in that regard. Tommy seems to lack confidence at the moment..no signs of the off-the-cuff rampaging style of 2009 but hopefully, that'll all come back. Bryan Sheehan played very well as did the full inside line. Mikey Geaney did ok without being overly impressive. I wonder will Stephen O'Brien be tried there again soon. I think we pretty much know at this stage what Mikey brings and if hes the best option, so be it but I would like to see other options tried. A word on Uncle Joe..same as he ever was and if we had the option of avoiding him, we should! Inconsistent and, in my opinion, likes to let everyone know hes there, even when theres no need. Erred I believe for the sending off and used the next 10 mins to try and make up for it. Finally as others have said, a very nice stadium and a very warm welcome. Derry is definitely worth a vist...even if football isn't involved! I think ur being very hard on mikey geaney, I thought he had a stormer
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Post by veteran on Feb 10, 2015 20:48:30 GMT
Joxer,
I was interested in your comments about Pa Kilkenny and Fionn. Both played poorly against Mayo as well. Pa seems to be struggling to recapture the promise he showed in Limerick. I was disappointed with him him as well in the replay of the county final(I missed the draw) The Dublin match will be a rigorous test for him. Fionn picked up a black card, just as he did in Limerick. Is there a critical mass for these before you miss out on a match?
I felt Michael Geaney was poor in the first round against Clare in 2014 but he improved steadily as the year progressed. I find it difficult to make up my mind about him.
I am delighted to hear about Jack Sherwood carrying on from his good show against Mayo.
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Post by Deise Exile on Feb 10, 2015 22:08:32 GMT
The thing about mike geaney is that he gets on a pile of ball. That is a positive. In all likelihood he will be down the pecking order come championship time if Gooch JOD are back. I find it hard to find a place for Star in the starting 15 come championship. Impact sub I reckon. Final 8 could look like this, Moran Walsh, Walsh Gooch Buckley, JOD pgeaney sob
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 10, 2015 23:29:52 GMT
Kerrys point number 13 was an outrageous score by Paul Geaney
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Post by fitz on Feb 11, 2015 0:40:39 GMT
PGeaney looks to be rolling in a snowball gathering pace with inscription "The real deal"
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Post by G_S_J on Feb 11, 2015 10:09:45 GMT
The thing about mike geaney is that he gets on a pile of ball. M Geaney got on a load of ball last year because JOD was double marked and he was the free man. He's improving the whole time though.
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Post by seaniebo on Feb 11, 2015 12:53:58 GMT
My twopence worth about Mikey Geaney.
He wasn't overly impressive on Sunday when in possession. He was on a lot of ball but seemed very indecisive at times, often taking the very easy option with it. He doesn't find the penetrative pass that he needs to find in his game. What he ends up doing at times is slowing down the play and we lose momentum.
Defensively wise he's the one man that gets stuck into the opposition and there was no shortage of that on Sunday. However if his distribution doesn't improve I'd fear for him.
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Post by buck02 on Feb 11, 2015 13:18:00 GMT
My twopence worth about Mikey Geaney. He wasn't overly impressive on Sunday when in possession. He was on a lot of ball but seemed very indecisive at times, often taking the very easy option with it. He doesn't find the penetrative pass that he needs to find in his game. What he ends up doing at times is slowing down the play and we lose momentum. Defensively wise he's the one man that gets stuck into the opposition and there was no shortage of that on Sunday. However if his distribution doesn't improve I'd fear for him. Go back to 2004 and similar was being said about Paul Galvin.
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Post by seamo on Feb 11, 2015 13:39:27 GMT
My twopence worth about Mikey Geaney. He wasn't overly impressive on Sunday when in possession. He was on a lot of ball but seemed very indecisive at times, often taking the very easy option with it. He doesn't find the penetrative pass that he needs to find in his game. What he ends up doing at times is slowing down the play and we lose momentum. Defensively wise he's the one man that gets stuck into the opposition and there was no shortage of that on Sunday. However if his distribution doesn't improve I'd fear for him. ie. He's Paul or Donnacha in the early part of their careers (less so Paul)...so the potential is there with him. Much easier to improve use of ball than actually getting the ball.
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Post by seaniebo on Feb 11, 2015 14:20:59 GMT
No doubt the potential is there with Mikey. It goes without saying. I obviously hope that he realises it.
For me he is going to be up against it. The rough and tumble is all well and good but it needs an end product and at this stage, in my opinion, he lacks it at this level.
It could end up that he will be a bit part member of the squad.
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Post by keane on Feb 11, 2015 14:43:24 GMT
Think Geaney benefited a lot from not being marked last season.
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Post by Joxer on Feb 11, 2015 19:35:02 GMT
I don't think I was hard on Mikey at all Blackisbad but open to interpretation I suppose. Didn't intend to be at any rate but to say he had a stormer is taking hyperbole to new levels...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2015 21:31:40 GMT
To me he's Inconsistent . He can be very good and kick a great pass and the next ball he can give it away or lose it . A work still in progress but the ability is there . We will see how he fares this year and we will know more .
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Post by seamo on Feb 11, 2015 21:57:30 GMT
lol I just had flashbacks to early August of last year when the majority here felt David Moran wasn't up to it!
I get it wrong myself sometimes; I was very critical of Donnacha up until ~3-4 years ago, but the guy is good now to get on any team in Ireland, hopefully Geaney can make similar strides.
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 11, 2015 22:28:04 GMT
lol I just had flashbacks to early August of last year when the majority here felt David Moran wasn't up to it! I get it wrong myself sometimes; I was very critical of Donnacha up until ~3-4 years ago, but the guy is good now to get on any team in Ireland, hopefully Geaney can make similar strides. I think the point is that the majority of Kerry footballers go through a boot camp phase of 3 or 4 years. Donnacha, Maher, Buckley...... the list is endless. Yet posters keep on writing new guys off despite this.
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Post by blackisbad on Feb 11, 2015 22:31:43 GMT
I don't think I was hard on Mikey at all Blackisbad but open to interpretation I suppose. Didn't intend to be at any rate but to say he had a stormer is taking hyperbole to new levels... Fair enough I just thought he did, I think he does a pile of dirty work that doesn't really get recognised
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Post by Deise Exile on Feb 11, 2015 22:43:54 GMT
Is there a big risk that Gooch will not come back the same player or do another injury? I guess the long rehab will hopefully prevent that
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Post by inchperfect on Feb 11, 2015 23:01:46 GMT
Was told by someone just as it was nearing the end so taped it but missed most of it. Last week's episode is on the player so I expect this week's episode to be on the player soon. nasc.tg4.tv/1CVszCtI misread the title of this video as 'Derry vs Kerry half time Fight' and watched it looking for a fight breaking out in the stands and then realised halfway through it said 'Flight' I'm a muppet!
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Post by seamo on Feb 11, 2015 23:28:25 GMT
lol I just had flashbacks to early August of last year when the majority here felt David Moran wasn't up to it! I get it wrong myself sometimes; I was very critical of Donnacha up until ~3-4 years ago, but the guy is good now to get on any team in Ireland, hopefully Geaney can make similar strides. I think the point is that the majority of Kerry footballers go through a boot camp phase of 3 or 4 years. Donnacha, Maher, Buckley...... the list is endless. Yet posters keep on writing new guys off despite this. Yes that's what I was getting at! Thank you Mick. It's a bit like the notion that because a team won the AI they are automatically going to win it the year after aswell, as has been the case with Dublin and Donegal in previous years...but history tells a different story. History says Geaney has the potential to be a very effective player in the starting 15.
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 11, 2015 23:40:09 GMT
Having said that, I was about to give up on Buckley ever finding his feet at intercounty level but he did in 2014.
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Post by sullyschoice on Feb 12, 2015 1:04:14 GMT
Can't imagine Amhran na Fhiain before a Cricket match!! They dont play any anthems before most games. They will play that Irelands Call crap before the world cup games tbough. Always play anthems in tournaments but not at any other internationals. Its the same as the rugby crowd trying to please everybody in an all ireland team......just dont play anthems and we only have to worry about offending you?
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Post by G_S_J on Feb 12, 2015 15:30:59 GMT
Having watched the oh so short highlights of the Derry game, I was very encouraged to see such quick hand's between Barry John and P Geaney linking up for a score, playing some nice football for this time of year.
I see Jack Sherwood got man of the match in the Kerry's Eye, another very encouraging sign, I wonder do people who were there go along with this?
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Post by animal on Feb 12, 2015 16:23:40 GMT
Can't imagine Amhran na Fhiain before a Cricket match!! They dont play any anthems before most games. They will play that Irelands Call crap before the world cup games tbough. Always play anthems in tournaments but not at any other internationals. Its the same as the rugby crowd trying to please everybody in an all ireland team......just dont play anthems and we only have to worry about offending you? Quiz question: What "anthem" did the Irish rugby team use in the 1987 Rugby World Cup? Clue - it wasn't Amhrán na bhFiain
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Feb 12, 2015 16:36:11 GMT
They dont play any anthems before most games. They will play that Irelands Call crap before the world cup games tbough. Always play anthems in tournaments but not at any other internationals. Its the same as the rugby crowd trying to please everybody in an all ireland team......just dont play anthems and we only have to worry about offending you? Quiz question: What "anthem" did the Irish rugby team use in the 1987 Rugby World Cup? Clue - it wasn't Amhrán na bhFiain Further clue: most here know it very well
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Feb 12, 2015 16:38:55 GMT
Can we sing the London derrière next time?
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Post by Jo90 on Feb 12, 2015 17:06:28 GMT
Quiz question: What "anthem" did the Irish rugby team use in the 1987 Rugby World Cup? Clue - it wasn't Amhrán na bhFiain Further clue: most here know it very well Rose of Tralee. Some Irish team used An Puc ar buile as well
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