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Post by kerrybhoy06 on May 10, 2015 16:07:06 GMT
Rahilleys strength in depth out with their county players really is awful
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Post by diego on May 10, 2015 18:00:19 GMT
Rockies Beat Crokes To Win Another 2014 Title Posted by Gavin O'Connor Credit Union Senior County League 2014 Final, Connolly Park Austin Stacks 2-9 Dr Crokes 0-13 traleetoday.ie/photos-rockies-beat-crokes-to-win-county-league-title/AUSTIN STACKS have added a county league title to their 2014 haul by beating Dr Crokes in the deciding match of last year’s campaign. Extra time was needed for the Rock to get one over their great rivals from Killarney, who, with Colm Cooper back in their ranks, could not stop the black and amber winning machine. It was celebrated with gusto by the Rock faithful as Dr Crokes seemed to have the beating of Stacks in decisive games over the past few years. An own goal by Crokes, defender Mike Moloney, in extra time was the deciding moment in a game where tempers came to the boil on a few occasions. Shane Carroll gave a man of the match display, kicking six points, including three on the bounce at the end of normal time to keep the Rock in the match. Stacks got off to a flyer with a goal inside ten seconds by Kieran Donaghy. ‘The Star’, got onto a long punt from Barry Shanahan and flicked the ball to the net. It was a scrappy sort of a match, with some of the niggle you would expect from a Tralee v Killarney encounter. The first half ended with Stacks leading by two points, 1-3 to 0-4, but it could have been more had Shane O’Callaghan, converted a penalty on 20 minutes after Donaghy was pulled to the ground. Dr Crokes, flew out of the traps at the start of the second half and were the better side in this period. Crokes led by three points with seven minutes remaining. This is when Carroll scored three terrific points, one after another, to force extra time. With the light beginning to fade and with the last play of the first half of extra time, Shane Guthrie drove in a ball into Donaghy only for the Dr Crokes full back, Mike Moloney, to fumble the ball to the net. Try as they might, Dr Crokes, just couldn’t break down the Stacks defence who sat on their lead impressively to became the 2014 Credit Union County League Champions. Austin Stacks: Shane Carroll 0-6 3f, Kieran Donaghy 1-0, David Mannix 0-1, Fiachna Mangan 0-1, Conor Jordan 0-1, Own goal by Mike Moloney Dr Crokes: Colm Cooper 0-7 7f, Kieran O’Leary 0-2, Dathi Casey 0-2 2f, Jordan Kiely 0-1, Brian Looney 0-1 1f Austin Stacks: Jonathan Conway, Ronan Shanahan, Barry Shanahan (c), Denis McElligott, Ciaran O’Connell, Ferghal McNamara, Barry Walsh, Shane Guthrie, Conor Jordon, Daniel Bohan, Shane Carroll, Mikey Collins, David Mannix, Kieran Donaghy, Shane O’Callaghan Dr Crokes: Alan Kelly, John Payne, Mike Moloney, Luke Quinn, David O’Leary, Aaron Murphy, Mike Milner, Eoin Brosnan, Johnny Buckley, Gavin O’Shea, Dathi Casey, Brian Looney, Colm Cooper, Jordan Kiely, Kieran O’Leary
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Post by buck02 on May 11, 2015 7:58:29 GMT
So for the 2015 league, is the Stacks/Crokes game counted as a draw?
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Post by bestoftherest on May 11, 2015 8:20:06 GMT
Yeah a point a piece as the game was a draw in normal time
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Post by G_S_J on May 11, 2015 10:02:31 GMT
Rahilleys strength in depth out with their county players really is awful Fairly ridiculous that their countymen weren't allowed play, but all the Crokes and Stacks contingent were less than 24 hours before.
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Post by sayitasiseeit on May 11, 2015 12:51:13 GMT
RE the Glenbeigh V Rahillys game. Were glenbeigh not missing their two county players too?? I'd imagine Darran O Sullivan and Pa Kilkenny would be just a big a loss to a small club like glenbeigh as the 3 lads are to a major town team
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Post by G_S_J on May 11, 2015 13:20:07 GMT
RE the Glenbeigh V Rahillys game. Were glenbeigh not missing their two county players too?? I'd imagine Darran O Sullivan and Pa Kilkenny would be just a big a loss to a small club like glenbeigh as the 3 lads are to a major town team Your two best forwards and arguably the best midfielder in the country at the moment, Id say O'Rahilly's were more effected, just because they're a town team shouldn't make any difference. People try to make out that O'Rahilly's have a huge advantage because their from town when the reality is there is a massive fall off in numbers at U16 and minor level.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on May 11, 2015 13:37:38 GMT
RE the Glenbeigh V Rahillys game. Were glenbeigh not missing their two county players too?? I'd imagine Darran O Sullivan and Pa Kilkenny would be just a big a loss to a small club like glenbeigh as the 3 lads are to a major town team Your two best forwards and arguably the best midfielder in the country at the moment, Id say O'Rahilly's were more effected, just because they're a town team shouldn't make any difference. People try to make out that O'Rahilly's have a huge advantage because their from town when the reality is there is a massive fall off in numbers at U16 and minor level. KOR should still be stronger even without their county players- their marginal players should be better than a lot of other teams- all they have really outwith the county players is Savage and maybe Danny O sullivan. The future doesnt look great for them either as Stacks are cleaning house at underage level while KOR are really struggling (bar their current under 17s). All the new estates in Tralee are based in Stacks, Mitchells or Na Gael territory and these teams are comfortably stronger than KOR at underage level. But back to original point- they are very weak without county players and to be honest- they are a lot weaker than they should be.
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Post by G_S_J on May 11, 2015 13:46:43 GMT
Your two best forwards and arguably the best midfielder in the country at the moment, Id say O'Rahilly's were more effected, just because they're a town team shouldn't make any difference. People try to make out that O'Rahilly's have a huge advantage because their from town when the reality is there is a massive fall off in numbers at U16 and minor level. KOR should still be stronger even without their county players- their marginal players should be better than a lot of other teams- all they have really outwith the county players is Savage and maybe Danny O sullivan. The future doesnt look great for them either as Stacks are cleaning house at underage level while KOR are really struggling (bar their current under 17s). All the new estates in Tralee are based in Stacks, Mitchells or Na Gael territory and these teams are comfortably stronger than KOR at underage level. But back to original point- they are very weak without county players and to be honest- they are a lot weaker than they should be. Given all the examples you just listed I don't see how that would be the case. There is a new estate going up as you head out to Lohercannon, could be waiting about 15 year's for the fruits of that development to come through.
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Post by sayitasiseeit on May 11, 2015 14:50:19 GMT
Who's fault is it that there's a huge fall off of numbers after u16 and minor??? As far as I know Glenbeigh are joined with cromane at minor level and play 13 a side in division 6 or 7. My point was that Pa Kilkenny and Darran are of equal importance to glenbeigh as Rahillys 3 guys are to rahillys. It would be different if ye were playing a team that had no county players like Miltown etc but ye played a small club who probay have the smallest playing panel in Division 1 and were missing there best two players also.
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Post by seasiders on May 11, 2015 15:50:52 GMT
RE the Glenbeigh V Rahillys game. Were glenbeigh not missing their two county players too?? I'd imagine Darran O Sullivan and Pa Kilkenny would be just a big a loss to a small club like glenbeigh as the 3 lads are to a major town team Your two best forwards and arguably the best midfielder in the country at the moment, Id say O'Rahilly's were more effected, just because they're a town team shouldn't make any difference. People try to make out that O'Rahilly's have a huge advantage because their from town when the reality is there is a massive fall off in numbers at U16 and minor level. This was a huge win for Glenbeigh and to even suggest Rahillys were more effected than them is a joke, Glenbeigh has a very small population and one of the smallest panels in the league. The loss of Pa Kilkenny & Darran O'Sullivan would hurt many a team never mind a club playing at junior level against a Senior county championship team. This was a great game in poor conditions and Glenbeigh were worthy winners, the fact that the county players were not playing for both teams shouldnt not defer from a fantastic result for the visitors.
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Post by hugh20 on May 11, 2015 20:53:27 GMT
Both are likely to finish one and two in the county league? So does it make much of difference where the points go? If we are to believe some on here, Crokes are unbeatable this year and are light years ahead of Stacks so this result will not have a bearing on the final league table. If Stacks pull off the "shock win" and claim the two points an issue might arise later in the year for the third placed team if they lose out in a league final slot by a point or two. The optics here are questionable however. Delighted Stacks pulled off the "shock win". Well done to them. Hardly a shock I would say since both sides were missing many. Ambrose Donovan, Fionn Fitzgerald, Chris Brady and Alan O Sullivan are pivotal players for Crokes. Shane Myers, Shane Doolan, Jamie Doolan and Micheal Burns are all players who will push for places and are stronger players than Crokes had to produce from the bench the last day. Of course Stacks were also considerably weakened without Pa McCarthy, Guthrie and Horan. Overall Stacks deserved their win and brought more physicality to the game and they impressed me in the back line. I think Crokes may have learned more from the encounter and may now realise that Stacks at the moment are a more conditioned side. I would still fancy Crokes to win a County Championship tie between the two by 6 points plus. Well done to Austin Stacks on being crowned County League champions for 2014, well deserved. Finally on all the commotion of Crokes and Stacks players being available for county league final.....I'm not sure do people realise that the players were released to play against each other so it doesn't affect any other county league team because it is not as if these players were available against a different outfit who did not have the benefits of their county players. If people think about it logically it is absurd to call it elitism. It is not a scenario that happens regularly and because of it being a doubled up game they were allowed to play. I don't see how it has any affect on any other clubs because when Crokes or stacks play other clubs then they will be minus their county players........people need a reality check before pointing the finger at clubs. If somebody can tell me this decision has affected other clubs then I might be able to understand all this unnecessary chatter
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Post by kevin45 on May 11, 2015 21:21:42 GMT
Your two best forwards and arguably the best midfielder in the country at the moment, Id say O'Rahilly's were more effected, just because they're a town team shouldn't make any difference. People try to make out that O'Rahilly's have a huge advantage because their from town when the reality is there is a massive fall off in numbers at U16 and minor level. This was a huge win for Glenbeigh and to even suggest Rahillys were more effected than them is a joke, Glenbeigh has a very small population and one of the smallest panels in the league. The loss of Pa Kilkenny & Darran O'Sullivan would hurt many a team never mind a club playing at junior level against a Senior county championship team. This was a great game in poor conditions and Glenbeigh were worthy winners, the fact that the county players were not playing for both teams shouldnt not defer from a fantastic result for the visitors. I believe Glenbeigh had a very young team as well two u17's and a minor on the pitch
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Post by seamo on May 11, 2015 22:06:09 GMT
RE the Glenbeigh V Rahillys game. Were glenbeigh not missing their two county players too?? I'd imagine Darran O Sullivan and Pa Kilkenny would be just a big a loss to a small club like glenbeigh as the 3 lads are to a major town team Your two best forwards and arguably the best midfielder in the country at the moment, Id say O'Rahilly's were more effected, just because they're a town team shouldn't make any difference. People try to make out that O'Rahilly's have a huge advantage because their from town when the reality is there is a massive fall off in numbers at U16 and minor level. wow I can't believe you just said that! Have you ever ventured beyond Lidl on the Castlemaine road! lol Ramble back to Glenbeigh some evening...count how many players they have on any of their panels. Not even debatable.
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Post by Mickmack on May 11, 2015 22:12:20 GMT
Great win for Glenbeigh no matter how you look at it.
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Post by kerrygold on May 11, 2015 22:27:27 GMT
Delighted Stacks pulled off the "shock win". Well done to them. Hardly a shock I would say since both sides were missing many. Ambrose Donovan, Fionn Fitzgerald, Chris Brady and Alan O Sullivan are pivotal players for Crokes. Shane Myers, Shane Doolan, Jamie Doolan and Micheal Burns are all players who will push for places and are stronger players than Crokes had to produce from the bench the last day. Of course Stacks were also considerably weakened without Pa McCarthy, Guthrie and Horan. Overall Stacks deserved their win and brought more physicality to the game and they impressed me in the back line. I think Crokes may have learned more from the encounter and may now realise that Stacks at the moment are a more conditioned side. I would still fancy Crokes to win a County Championship tie between the two by 6 points plus. Well done to Austin Stacks on being crowned County League champions for 2014, well deserved. Finally on all the commotion of Crokes and Stacks players being available for county league final.....I'm not sure do people realise that the players were released to play against each other so it doesn't affect any other county league team because it is not as if these players were available against a different outfit who did not have the benefits of their county players. If people think about it logically it is absurd to call it elitism. It is not a scenario that happens regularly and because of it being a doubled up game they were allowed to play. I don't see how it has any affect on any other clubs because when Crokes or stacks play other clubs then they will be minus their county players........people need a reality check before pointing the finger at clubs. If somebody can tell me this decision has affected other clubs then I might be able to understand all this unnecessary chatter Where does that leave your previous assessment/claims regarding the strength of the Crokes bench and second team?
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Post by G_S_J on May 12, 2015 10:40:55 GMT
Your two best forwards and arguably the best midfielder in the country at the moment, Id say O'Rahilly's were more effected, just because they're a town team shouldn't make any difference. People try to make out that O'Rahilly's have a huge advantage because their from town when the reality is there is a massive fall off in numbers at U16 and minor level. wow I can't believe you just said that! Have you ever ventured beyond Lidl on the Castlemaine road! lol Ramble back to Glenbeigh some evening...count how many players they have on any of their panels. Not even debatable. Strand Road lost 3 county players and Glenbaigh lost 2, which in very basic mathematics means they were more effected by Kerry players not playing. The size of the clubs is neither here nor there and twisting my original point.
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Post by hugh20 on May 12, 2015 11:23:44 GMT
Hardly a shock I would say since both sides were missing many. Ambrose Donovan, Fionn Fitzgerald, Chris Brady and Alan O Sullivan are pivotal players for Crokes. Shane Myers, Shane Doolan, Jamie Doolan and Micheal Burns are all players who will push for places and are stronger players than Crokes had to produce from the bench the last day. Of course Stacks were also considerably weakened without Pa McCarthy, Guthrie and Horan. Overall Stacks deserved their win and brought more physicality to the game and they impressed me in the back line. I think Crokes may have learned more from the encounter and may now realise that Stacks at the moment are a more conditioned side. I would still fancy Crokes to win a County Championship tie between the two by 6 points plus. Well done to Austin Stacks on being crowned County League champions for 2014, well deserved. Finally on all the commotion of Crokes and Stacks players being available for county league final.....I'm not sure do people realise that the players were released to play against each other so it doesn't affect any other county league team because it is not as if these players were available against a different outfit who did not have the benefits of their county players. If people think about it logically it is absurd to call it elitism. It is not a scenario that happens regularly and because of it being a doubled up game they were allowed to play. I don't see how it has any affect on any other clubs because when Crokes or stacks play other clubs then they will be minus their county players........people need a reality check before pointing the finger at clubs. If somebody can tell me this decision has affected other clubs then I might be able to understand all this unnecessary chatter Where does that leave your previous assessment/claims regarding the strength of the Crokes bench and second team? I think the fact that Crokes were missing 8 players (all of whom will either be starting or play some part) cements my belief that the strength of the panel is extremely strong. If you disagree with this then fair enough but if you have a look at the Crokes bench against St. Michaels Foilmore and can tell me that it is not very strong then there may be something wrong with your judgement of football. 8 players on the bench that day had worn the intercounty jersey at minor level or better......is that not a strong bench? You also have to look at the facts....Stacks are county champions and are a good side and even with so many players missing Crokes looked like they were going to win for large periods of the game. In my assessment of Crokes second team, it was in relation to beating a St. Michaels Foilmore side that have been depleted in recent years due to relocation injuries emigration etc., and not of beating the Kerry County Champions.
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Post by hugh20 on May 12, 2015 11:48:44 GMT
wow I can't believe you just said that! Have you ever ventured beyond Lidl on the Castlemaine road! lol Ramble back to Glenbeigh some evening...count how many players they have on any of their panels. Not even debatable. Strand Road lost 3 county players and Glenbaigh lost 2, which in very basic mathematics means they were more effected by Kerry players not playing. The size of the clubs is neither here nor there and twisting my original point. It is not as simple as that. For example, are you telling me that when Seamus Moynihan and Johnny Crowley played for Kerry if Glenflesk were playing just say L Rangers that Laune Rangers would be more effected by losing Liam Hassett, MFR and Johnny Sheehan?? I don't think so. It is an argument that is impossible to settle, however it is too simple to say that a team who face a numerical disadvantage in terms of county players eligibility are deemed worse off than another club who may not have the same number of players eligible. If this is your argument effectively you would be saying that eg. Barry O Shea and Morgan O Shea would be bigger losses to Strand Road than Maurice Fitz would be for Marys!!!!?
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Post by kerrygold on May 12, 2015 11:54:19 GMT
Where does that leave your previous assessment/claims regarding the strength of the Crokes bench and second team? I think the fact that Crokes were missing 8 players (all of whom will either be starting or play some part) cements my belief that the strength of the panel is extremely strong. If you disagree with this then fair enough but if you have a look at the Crokes bench against St. Michaels Foilmore and can tell me that it is not very strong then there may be something wrong with your judgement of football. 8 players on the bench that day had worn the intercounty jersey at minor level or better......is that not a strong bench? You also have to look at the facts....Stacks are county champions and are a good side and even with so many players missing Crokes looked like they were going to win for large periods of the game. In my assessment of Crokes second team, it was in relation to beating a St. Michaels Foilmore side that have been depleted in recent years due to relocation injuries emigration etc., and not of beating the Kerry County Champions. Ok, fair argument. We'll reserve judgement until after the championship.
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Post by classicfc on May 12, 2015 13:10:38 GMT
The main issue arising from last weekend's County League fixture was that fairness was not distributed evenly across the board to clubs who supply the Kerry senior panel with players. The thing that people seem to forget is that it is the clubs who supply the county teams with players, a fact that seems to have slipped the minds of our sleepy County Board delegates. Nobody expects clubs to have access to their inter-county players all of the time as they deserve a chance to prepare for their county as best as they possibly can but there must be some sort of sensible middleground and until this comes from Croke Park down the lawlessness will continue unabated. Crokes had Johnny Buckley and Colm Cooper amongst their armoury, Stacks Kieran Donaghy whereas Legion lost points without James O Donoghue, Conor Keane etc as did Rahillys without Tommy Walsh, David Moran etc. I know Crokes lost but they still entered into a County League fixture at an advantage over the likes of the aforementioned teams as did Stacks. I understand that the County League is not the premier club competition in Kerry but the rest of the sides deserved an equal chance to put points on the board and a chance to prepare properly for the upcoming Club and County Championship games. The County Board must surely understand that in introducing such a severe format for relegating teams from this year's Senior Championship that the least they deserve is to be allowed access to a full panel to prepare. It is time for the County Board to ask themselves were the actions of last weekend fair to all concerned? Ask themselves, why they cram the most important club games of the year into the most critical part of a student's year? Ask themselves, why create a severe relegation system if they do not allow teams to prepare properly for it? Croke Park needs to get a grip on club proceedings nationwide and standardise the calendar in a fair and equitable manner. The club player's put a phenomenal effort into their preparations and their current treatment cannot be sustained.
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Post by woodlawn on May 12, 2015 15:36:10 GMT
The main issue arising from last weekend's County League fixture was that fairness was not distributed evenly across the board to clubs who supply the Kerry senior panel with players. The thing that people seem to forget is that it is the clubs who supply the county teams with players, a fact that seems to have slipped the minds of our sleepy County Board delegates. Nobody expects clubs to have access to their inter-county players all of the time as they deserve a chance to prepare for their county as best as they possibly can but there must be some sort of sensible middleground and until this comes from Croke Park down the lawlessness will continue unabated. Crokes had Johnny Buckley and Colm Cooper amongst their armoury, Stacks Kieran Donaghy whereas Legion lost points without James O Donoghue, Conor Keane etc as did Rahillys without Tommy Walsh, David Moran etc. I know Crokes lost but they still entered into a County League fixture at an advantage over the likes of the aforementioned teams as did Stacks. I understand that the County League is not the premier club competition in Kerry but the rest of the sides deserved an equal chance to put points on the board and a chance to prepare properly for the upcoming Club and County Championship games. The County Board must surely understand that in introducing such a severe format for relegating teams from this year's Senior Championship that the least they deserve is to be allowed access to a full panel to prepare. It is time for the County Board to ask themselves were the actions of last weekend fair to all concerned? Ask themselves, why they cram the most important club games of the year into the most critical part of a student's year? Ask themselves, why create a severe relegation system if they do not allow teams to prepare properly for it? Croke Park needs to get a grip on club proceedings nationwide and standardise the calendar in a fair and equitable manner. The club player's put a phenomenal effort into their preparations and their current treatment cannot be sustained. You have absolutely nailed it classicfc, its all about fairness and being equitable to everyone
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Post by kevin45 on May 12, 2015 15:53:51 GMT
The main issue arising from last weekend's County League fixture was that fairness was not distributed evenly across the board to clubs who supply the Kerry senior panel with players. The thing that people seem to forget is that it is the clubs who supply the county teams with players, a fact that seems to have slipped the minds of our sleepy County Board delegates. Nobody expects clubs to have access to their inter-county players all of the time as they deserve a chance to prepare for their county as best as they possibly can but there must be some sort of sensible middleground and until this comes from Croke Park down the lawlessness will continue unabated. Crokes had Johnny Buckley and Colm Cooper amongst their armoury, Stacks Kieran Donaghy whereas Legion lost points without James O Donoghue, Conor Keane etc as did Rahillys without Tommy Walsh, David Moran etc. I know Crokes lost but they still entered into a County League fixture at an advantage over the likes of the aforementioned teams as did Stacks. I understand that the County League is not the premier club competition in Kerry but the rest of the sides deserved an equal chance to put points on the board and a chance to prepare properly for the upcoming Club and County Championship games. The County Board must surely understand that in introducing such a severe format for relegating teams from this year's Senior Championship that the least they deserve is to be allowed access to a full panel to prepare. It is time for the County Board to ask themselves were the actions of last weekend fair to all concerned? Ask themselves, why they cram the most important club games of the year into the most critical part of a student's year? Ask themselves, why create a severe relegation system if they do not allow teams to prepare properly for it? Croke Park needs to get a grip on club proceedings nationwide and standardise the calendar in a fair and equitable manner. The club player's put a phenomenal effort into their preparations and their current treatment cannot be sustained. You have absolutely nailed it classicfc, its all about fairness and being equitable to everyone there's no saying that legion would've beat single with the Kerry panelists single were also down two players
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Post by hugh20 on May 12, 2015 16:11:06 GMT
The main issue arising from last weekend's County League fixture was that fairness was not distributed evenly across the board to clubs who supply the Kerry senior panel with players. The thing that people seem to forget is that it is the clubs who supply the county teams with players, a fact that seems to have slipped the minds of our sleepy County Board delegates. Nobody expects clubs to have access to their inter-county players all of the time as they deserve a chance to prepare for their county as best as they possibly can but there must be some sort of sensible middleground and until this comes from Croke Park down the lawlessness will continue unabated. Crokes had Johnny Buckley and Colm Cooper amongst their armoury, Stacks Kieran Donaghy whereas Legion lost points without James O Donoghue, Conor Keane etc as did Rahillys without Tommy Walsh, David Moran etc. I know Crokes lost but they still entered into a County League fixture at an advantage over the likes of the aforementioned teams as did Stacks. I understand that the County League is not the premier club competition in Kerry but the rest of the sides deserved an equal chance to put points on the board and a chance to prepare properly for the upcoming Club and County Championship games. The County Board must surely understand that in introducing such a severe format for relegating teams from this year's Senior Championship that the least they deserve is to be allowed access to a full panel to prepare. It is time for the County Board to ask themselves were the actions of last weekend fair to all concerned? Ask themselves, why they cram the most important club games of the year into the most critical part of a student's year? Ask themselves, why create a severe relegation system if they do not allow teams to prepare properly for it? Croke Park needs to get a grip on club proceedings nationwide and standardise the calendar in a fair and equitable manner. The club player's put a phenomenal effort into their preparations and their current treatment cannot be sustained. You see here again another example of you not looking at it logically.........BOTH Dingle and Legion were missing their county players so it is just as easy say Dingle were at a disadvantage without the Geaneys. BOTH Glenbeigh gcar and Strand Road were missing their county players so neither Crokes or Stacks had an advantage over these sides or any other for that matter. It is grand in hindsight to say Rahillys and Legion lost because they didn't have their county players but it was the same for both sides......much like it was the same for both Crokes and Stacks who had their county players available.....it was a level playing field for both sides. If Crokes or Stacks were to have an advantage over others it would have had to be in a fixture against one of the others.
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Post by classicfc on May 12, 2015 16:17:42 GMT
You have absolutely nailed it classicfc, its all about fairness and being equitable to everyone there's no saying that legion would've beat single with the Kerry panelists single were also down two players You are missing the overall point, that being that all clubs with Kerry panellist's should have had their players available to them. You simply cannot have one rule for some clubs and another for others. It was still a round of the County League that Crokes and Stacks were given the opportunity to gain an unfair advantage over the rest of the Division. They also benefitted at the expense of Dingle and Rathmore as they had access to their county players for a competitive game a week out from those critical Club Championship semi-finals. Club teams like County teams need and should be allowed adequate time to prepare for championship games. Then for the County Board to come along and allow two clubs special dispensation while denying others is galling. The main thrust of my argument is that equal opportunity must be provided across the board and a little bit of respect for club players would not go amiss either!
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Post by kerrygold on May 12, 2015 17:22:59 GMT
The main issue arising from last weekend's County League fixture was that fairness was not distributed evenly across the board to clubs who supply the Kerry senior panel with players. The thing that people seem to forget is that it is the clubs who supply the county teams with players, a fact that seems to have slipped the minds of our sleepy County Board delegates. Nobody expects clubs to have access to their inter-county players all of the time as they deserve a chance to prepare for their county as best as they possibly can but there must be some sort of sensible middleground and until this comes from Croke Park down the lawlessness will continue unabated. Crokes had Johnny Buckley and Colm Cooper amongst their armoury, Stacks Kieran Donaghy whereas Legion lost points without James O Donoghue, Conor Keane etc as did Rahillys without Tommy Walsh, David Moran etc. I know Crokes lost but they still entered into a County League fixture at an advantage over the likes of the aforementioned teams as did Stacks. I understand that the County League is not the premier club competition in Kerry but the rest of the sides deserved an equal chance to put points on the board and a chance to prepare properly for the upcoming Club and County Championship games. The County Board must surely understand that in introducing such a severe format for relegating teams from this year's Senior Championship that the least they deserve is to be allowed access to a full panel to prepare. It is time for the County Board to ask themselves were the actions of last weekend fair to all concerned? Ask themselves, why they cram the most important club games of the year into the most critical part of a student's year? Ask themselves, why create a severe relegation system if they do not allow teams to prepare properly for it? Croke Park needs to get a grip on club proceedings nationwide and standardise the calendar in a fair and equitable manner. The club player's put a phenomenal effort into their preparations and their current treatment cannot be sustained. You see here again another example of you not looking at it logically.........BOTH Dingle and Legion were missing their county players so it is just as easy say Dingle were at a disadvantage without the Geaneys. BOTH Glenbeigh gcar and Strand Road were missing their county players so neither Crokes or Stacks had an advantage over these sides or any other for that matter. It is grand in hindsight to say Rahillys and Legion lost because they didn't have their county players but it was the same for both sides......much like it was the same for both Crokes and Stacks who had their county players available.....it was a level playing field for both sides. If Crokes or Stacks were to have an advantage over others it would have had to be in a fixture against one of the others. Looking at it logically and in black and white, if the point either Stacks or Crokes gained at the weekend, keeps a third placed team on the league table out of a league final place next fall, then the decision to allow both sets of county players play at the weekend, will in fact become an unfair advantage for the rest of the field.
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Post by seamo on May 12, 2015 18:41:05 GMT
wow I can't believe you just said that! Have you ever ventured beyond Lidl on the Castlemaine road! lol Ramble back to Glenbeigh some evening...count how many players they have on any of their panels. Not even debatable. Strand Road lost 3 county players and Glenbaigh lost 2, which in very basic mathematics means they were more effected by Kerry players not playing. The size of the clubs is neither here nor there and twisting my original point. I'll drop you a rope when you've stopped digging!!!! lol
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Post by A.N. Other on May 12, 2015 20:26:38 GMT
Lads both clubs really missed their County players, as for who missed them the most thats impossible to measure. Glenbeigh won the game from a bit of fortune from a throw in but were well worth their win. Both teams had their chances and KOR will feel like they left this behind them but their lack of depth showed on Sunday. They were outbattled all over the pitch and bar a 15 minute period in the first half, an outsider wouldnt have been able to pick out which team was a Senior club and which one was a Junior club.
The ref was also a bit of a farce, at one stage he was to throw the ball up in the middle of the field for a jump ball and he joked about throwing it in the opposite direction to the two men who were lined up to contest it. He was also asked several times before the game to allow a minute silence for two KOR men who had passed recently, and he forgot. He got a few pleasant reminders at half time, and much to the bemusement of everyone at the game, we had the minute silence before half time.
Glenbeigh who were without their two star players performed very well in awful conditions, whereas the same cant be said for KOR. They were in disarray for most of the second half and never got into the game but fair play to Glenbeigh, but they got the win. KOR were very disappointing and bar the odd decent performace by a couple of players were outbattled all over the pitch. The KOR keeper also got subbed, it must have taken him a couple of minutes to kick the ball out for every kickout and his distribution was very poor. So this will be a big decision for KOR for their championship game to stick with him or trust in a young keeper that they introduced on Sunday.
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Post by sayitasiseeit on May 12, 2015 21:29:38 GMT
That's a true reflection on the Glenbeigh game. A major reason why Glenbeigh won tho was their organisation too. Rahilly's looked to be caught off guard. Glenbeigh were tactically better as well as the heart they brought to the table. This is not a shock win, they were level with stacks with 15 mins to go and lost by 3 points or so. Pushed legion to the pin of their collar too, without the 2 kerry lads and Gavan O Grady the same day. Organisation and tactical awareness can close down sizeable gaps between teams
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Post by Premier on May 12, 2015 23:12:00 GMT
That's a true reflection on the Glenbeigh game. A major reason why Glenbeigh won tho was their organisation too. Rahilly's looked to be caught off guard. Glenbeigh were tactically better as well as the heart they brought to the table. This is not a shock win, they were level with stacks with 15 mins to go and lost by 3 points or so. Pushed legion to the pin of their collar too, without the 2 kerry lads and Gavan O Grady the same day. Organisation and tactical awareness can close down sizeable gaps between teams One would wonder after Gavan Grady's heroics against KOR that he would be called into the Kerry seniors, completely derailing their whole county league season, or is it too late to call lads into the panel now?
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