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Post by sullyschoice on Nov 6, 2014 23:02:30 GMT
I am not even going to try and pick a team because as soon as I do I will think of someone else that should be there. But having said that Fitzy, Gooch, Moynihan, Darragh, Marc Thomas and Mike Mc have to be on it. O'Cinneide would be in there aswell I think. I think Aidan O Mahoney was one of our most important players for a good few years up to his Asthma-gate scenario. After that it seemed to affect his game a bit.....until this year
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Post by fitz on Nov 6, 2014 23:33:11 GMT
I agree with kot and jig on Maher, he's a good player and hit form from Mayo onwards but I think he has a lot to do to make this 15, I thought he had a good solid final and played well in the Mayo games but I expect more from him and in every game. We had some posts after the Galway game and I and others questioned his starting position, and justifiably so at the time, I don't remember a torrent of rebuttals then. He doesn't score regularly and doesn't carry the ball forward into contact much either, but he has two very good feet. Maybe he is doing more engine room work leaving David more freedom and doesn't thus get enough credit from the likes of me . I need to watch the 11 final, well no I don't, but I don't remember him standing out, but will take medicine if wrong, better than watching that fcukin goal. Anyway I don't think he's in the 15. Eoin Brosnan is probably not getting enough respect, likely due to a couple of poor finals, 08 anyway but he is a versatile cat and solved a big midfield problem in 04, was our best half toward in 02 and played a lot of half forward and corner forward roles up to 08. Then he came back and did a really good job at centre back in 11 in particular and was in motm contention in the final, not sure he gets on but think he should be cropping up in discussion more. Lads, Maurice Fitz is in any Kerry side even if digits were missing, or a leg, even it's ice hockey, he's just picked, impermeable class. Maurice was carrying 14 rucksacks for years before 97.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Nov 7, 2014 0:32:10 GMT
I had a few texts re my praise of KD for reinventing himself and that others had done similar, Aidan, Marc for two. Ah point taken of course, on my knees!
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Post by fivenarow on Nov 7, 2014 12:21:29 GMT
A lot of these team selection threads can be pointless as I'd imagine even though we're only talking about the last 20 years the age profile of most of the people posting on here is probably in the 20 yrs - 30 yrs age bracket so they may have not seen or remember the best of a Maurice fitz, Eamonn Breen,Sean Burke, Mike & Liam Hassett etc. The best guys to judge these things probably dont even know how to turn on a computer?
In my opinion saying that Maurice Fitz wouldnt get on a best Kerry team in the past 20 years in which he was playing is laughable when IMO he'd be an automatic choice if there was a best Kerry team of all time picked. When we were struggling with bad teams he was put all over the place to fill the gaps,he played every where from 8 - 15, kicked free kicks off the ground with both feet - the man was just a magician. Fellows tend to forget how bad we really were from 86 to 97. Likewise, I'd have to have Kieran Donaghy on my team, POTY in 06,changed the AI championship in 2014 over 2 1/2 games - has to get on my team anyway!
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Post by kerryexile on Nov 8, 2014 0:05:29 GMT
I agree totally with Fivenarow. Being defintive about this team is a pointless excercise - it is like taking parts from a Mercedes, a BMW, and an Audi and trying to geuss how the hybrid car would operate. Also Maurice Fitzgerald was one of the greatest players ever to wear the green & gold. He scored 9 points in the final that ended the famine. Ultimately I don't think he got a fair run. I believe his genius - and that's what he was - didn't sit well with certain egos. I honestly believe that he spent time on the bench because his profile was considered to be too big. Why should he hold the media attention?? And it should be noted that Maurice didn't want one minute of that attention. Maurice would be on the panel for my greatest team of all time.
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Post by kerryeye on Nov 8, 2014 12:14:48 GMT
Diarmuid murphy Marc O Sé Mike McCarthy Tom O Sullivan Tomás O Sé Liam Flaherty Seamus Moynihan Darragh O Sé Seamus Scanlon Paul Galvin Declan O Sullivan Maurice Fitzgerald Colm Cooper Kieran Donaghy Mike Frank Russell
Subs:Declan O Keefe,Mike Hassett,Eamonn Breen,Aidan O Mahony,William Kirby,Dara O Cinneide,Liam Hassett,James O Donoghue,Donnacha Walsh.
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Post by KY50 on Nov 8, 2014 12:32:24 GMT
Marc O Sé Mike McCarthy Tom O Sullivan Tomás O Sé Liam Flaherty Seamus Moynihan Darragh O Sé Seamus Scanlon Paul Galvin Declan O Sullivan Maurice Fitzgerald Colm Cooper Kieran Donaghy Mike Frank Russell
Subs:Declan O Keefe,Mike Hassett,Eamonn Breen,Aidan O Mahony,William Kirby,Dara O Cinneide,Liam Hassett,James O Donoghue,Donnacha Walsh.
Kerryeye - looks good to me for now, very strong down the centre, Johnny Crowley and Donal Daly would be another 2 players to consider
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Post by greengold35 on Nov 8, 2014 12:40:50 GMT
I agree totally with Fivenarow. Being defintive about this team is a pointless excercise - it is like taking parts from a Mercedes, a BMW, and an Audi and trying to geuss how the hybrid car would operate. Also Maurice Fitzgerald was one of the greatest players ever to wear the green & gold. He scored 9 points in the final that ended the famine. Ultimately I don't think he got a fair run. I believe his genius - and that's what he was - didn't sit well with certain egos. I honestly believe that he spent time on the bench because his profile was considered to be too big. Why should he hold the media attention?? And it should be noted that Maurice didn't want one minute of that attention. Maurice would be on the panel for my greatest team of all time. I fully agree with all of the above- Fitz was an absolute genius, brilliant off either foot, accurate, great hands and brave to a fault; he carried us for years and often won games almost on his own. His tour de force in the '97 final showed to all followers the man he was. Would have him on ANY Kerry team of any decade- pure unadulterated class!
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Post by inchperfect on Nov 18, 2014 17:12:03 GMT
I can only pick players from 2002 because I can't quite remember anything clearly if you go back further (I was born in '94)
.....................Diarmuid Murphy............................. Marc Ó Sé.......Aidan O'Mahony........Tom O'Sullivan Tomás Ó Sé.....Mike McCarthy........Seamus Moynihan .........Darragh Ó Sé........Seamus Scanlon................ Paul Galvin......Declan O'Sullivan.......Eoin Brosnan..... Colm Cooper....Kieran Donaghy.......James O'Donoghue
Tommy Griffin (as full-back), William Kirby, Anthony Maher, Liam Hassett, and Mike Frank Russell unlucky to miss out.
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Post by ballynamona on Nov 18, 2014 19:23:01 GMT
Don't want to be unfair to Scanlon, but am surprised he is in so many teams. Not that I didn't rate him, but I felt that Kirby and Daly were both better than him.
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 18, 2014 19:37:23 GMT
Scanlon wasn't really appreciated till he got injured
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Post by G_S_J on Nov 18, 2014 20:17:00 GMT
Murphy
Marc M McCarthy T O'Sullivan
Tomas Moynihan O'Mahony
Darragh T Griffin
Galvin Hassett Declan O'Sullivan
Gooch Donaghy O'Donoghue
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Nov 18, 2014 21:32:56 GMT
Murphy Marc M McCarthy T O'Sullivan Tomas Moynihan O'Mahony Darragh T Griffin Galvin Hassett Declan O'Sullivan Gooch Donaghy O'Donoghue Liam Hassett over Maurice Fitzgerald is it?
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Post by westmeathman on Nov 18, 2014 23:00:54 GMT
Cant understand how anyone could leave Maurice fitz out of this team.he would be in my all of Ireland team of the last twenty years.the most naturally gifted footballer I have seen I my time
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 5:35:42 GMT
Marc M McCarthy T O'Sullivan
Tomas Moynihan O'Mahony
Darragh Kirby
Galvin Declan Maurice
Gooch Donaghy Mike frank
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Post by G_S_J on Nov 19, 2014 9:32:29 GMT
Liam Hassett over Maurice Fitzgerald is it? The way I see it is, 15 years is 99 and since that season was a wash out, quite literally, I'm selecting my side from 2000 on. Hassett simply contributed more to Kerry football from that point on, it was unfortunate for Maurice that he was probably wrongly out of favour, but it happend and that's all we have to go on. Cant understand how anyone could leave Maurice fitz out of this team.he would be in my all of Ireland team of the last twenty years.the most naturally gifted footballer I have seen I my time Of course he would, but this discussion has a limit of 15 years.
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Post by diego on Nov 19, 2014 11:39:37 GMT
Liam Hassett over Maurice Fitzgerald is it? The way I see it is, 15 years is 99 and since that season was a wash out, quite literally, I'm selecting my side from 2000 on. Hassett simply contributed more to Kerry football from that point on, it was unfortunate for Maurice that he was probably wrongly out of favour, but it happend and that's all we have to go on. Cant understand how anyone could leave Maurice fitz out of this team.he would be in my all of Ireland team of the last twenty years.the most naturally gifted footballer I have seen I my time Of course he would, but this discussion has a limit of 15 years. Might want to read the title of the thread again there. I see a 15, but i see a 20 as well!
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Post by G_S_J on Nov 19, 2014 14:33:47 GMT
Might want to read the title of the thread again there. I see a 15, but i see a 20 as well! Ah Jesus... Yeah, so I'll replace Maurice with Hassett. The fact it's twenty years means I think I'll replace, Kirby with Griffin in midfield. There's just something about Tommy, he's often forgotten or left out, you only have to think about the photo of him making a great fetch against Mayo in 2007, I think. You see that great catch often being attributed to his West Kerry neighbor, Darragh. The only other lads from that time who'd have a chance in the side are Breen and Flaherty, but I think we probably have a bit of a romanticized notion of them now it's so long ago since they played.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Nov 19, 2014 15:07:08 GMT
Might want to read the title of the thread again there. I see a 15, but i see a 20 as well! The fact it's twenty years means I think I'll replace, Kirby with Griffin in midfield. Sorry that makes no sense at all!!
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Post by G_S_J on Nov 19, 2014 15:11:26 GMT
The fact it's twenty years means I think I'll replace, Kirby with Griffin in midfield. Sorry that makes no sense at all!! Because the 20 years take in Kirby's performance in 97.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Nov 19, 2014 15:37:22 GMT
Sorry that makes no sense at all!! Because the 20 years take in Kirby's performance in 97. Sorry I thought you had Kirby in there already; misread your original team.
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Post by animal on Nov 20, 2014 10:12:21 GMT
On Newstalk's Off the Ball show last night they were discussing where Declan ranks in the all time list of Kerry footballers. They were a little taken aback at the high regard with which Declan was held by Kerry people. Not that they didn't think Declan was a great but more where he ranks on the all time Kerry list. Tony Leen of the Examiner got in touch with his top ten Kerry players (post 75) He named:
Páidi Sheehy Pat Spillane Jacko darragh Maurice Fitz Declan Gooch Moynihan Tomás
I'd probably have one more name from the 70s / 80s (Johnno or Egan) on that list ahead of one of the recent lads but don't ask me to choose!
With this in mind rather than picking a team of 15 from the last 20 years where you could omit an outstanding player because he played in the same position as say Maurice Fitz or Seamus I'm going to pick my top ten of the last 20 years.
Seamus Moynihan Maurice Fitzgerald Darragh Colm Cooper Tomás Marc Declan Paul Glavin Mike Mac James O'Donoghue
Tom Sullivan very nearly makes the ten but I went with James on the basis of him winning Player of the Year this year.
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Post by fitz on Nov 20, 2014 10:54:23 GMT
Let's stick to the remit . 1994 is the starting year. I'm going with the All Star algorithm: Murphy McCarthy Moynihan Maurice Fitz Darragh Tomas Declan Gooch Marc Star JOD Galvin Tom Sull Tommy Griff Eoin Brosnan . Murphy Marc. Tommy Griff. Tom Sull Tomas. Seamus. Mike Mac . Darragh/Brosnan Galvin. Maurice Dec Hamez. Star. Gooch A couple of explanations, remember All Star method used Brosnan played in a variety of positions successfully in big games throughout his tenure and has greater longevity in team than any of Kirby, Hatton or Daly. Mike Mac can't be left out but Tommy is the best full back we had imo and was messed about a lot in multiple positions and to my mind his 08 omission in the final lost us that All Ireland. Hamez is simply too good, time in jersey was not stated as prerequisite although I used it as an input with Bros for the sum of the parts argument type, Star had major contributions in 06, 07, 11 and 14 finals that were key in their winning. Unlucky: Tommy Walsh's
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