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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Feb 14, 2015 10:14:00 GMT
With all due respect, veteran and Seoirse, supporting whatever club emerges from our county is no different in principle to insisting we support whatever county emerges from our province...and I don't need to spell out who I'm referring to here. You'll find it in the lid of a wine bottle. Seoirse, Ulster may not fight, but Ulster is not right. Personally I find the habit of leaping on the bandwagon of whoever flies the flag to be a rather cringeworthy practice. Petty, bitter inter-parochial rivalry is what makes sport great. Otherwise it's just a bunch of franchises; the Sharks v the Chiefs or whatever. I grew up alongside, and went to school with honourable and honest boys, who are now of no less calibre as men, but once they donned the black and amber I prayed for their discomfiture. One of the current selectors is a close family friend and as fine a human being as I know. And one of my oldest and closest friends is from Baile Chaisleáin an Róistigh, but it'll be a cold day in Hell before I ever shout for D'Ribbles. Surely you're capable of dissociating that which lies within the arena from without? It's not nuclear war boys. Love the individual, hate the collective! When Cork were playing Down in the final I would not have been able to shout for Down. I have no love for Cork and living in the county of Cork I know they have no love for Kerry either. I've had people shouting Up Donegal in the Lidl in Carrigaline days before the final last year and even had a lecturer at UCC sneering at me that Cormac Reilly wouldn't help me. I enjoy reminding my Cork friends of every loss inflicted on Cork and after last year's Munster final they've had to endure comments for weeks. But when Cork play Mayo, why would I jump on the Mayo bandwagon and support them? Purely because they play our rivals? Kerry's away strip is the blue of Munster and I would support the Munster club or county always. At the 2013 hurling All Ireland I shouted for Clare in the drawn game and the replay. Watched the replay in a bar in Madrid with my girlfriend's family, who were all born in west Cork, but grew up in Waterford. Her parents are Cork, the rest of the family are Waterford. When Stacks played the Nire there were several of her distant family on the team and two cousins of hers play with the Waterford hurlers, but I would not support the Waterford team. Kerry always for me. As a foreigner it is of course very hard for me to understand some of the club rivalries and I didn't grow up supporting and playing for a Kerry club. I made my choice and sticking with it. Won't ever change and won't ever support another club in Kerry. But...when Finuge were playing in Mallow versus St. Vincents (I was living on Blarney Street at the time) I went to the game supporting Finuge. I will always support the Kerry clubs and I hope Ardfert, Stacks and Brosna make it a Kerry treble this weekend.
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Post by ansúilleabhánach on Feb 14, 2015 10:29:54 GMT
I admire your magnanimity, Seoirse, but I doubt it is much replicated by the the forum's other denizens. Maybe I'm wrong. Not gonna support England, either, although they're from the same continent. Maybe the Dutch though
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Post by Deise Exile on Feb 14, 2015 10:52:39 GMT
Any one not supporting the Kerry clubs this weekend cannot call themselves true Kerry fans. These teams are representing their locality and Kerry.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Feb 14, 2015 10:54:08 GMT
I admire your magnanimity, Seoirse, but I doubt it is much replicated by the the forum's other denizens. Maybe I'm wrong. Not gonna support England, either, although they're from the same continent. Maybe the Dutch though England is a totally different country. If England are playing France or the Dutch I would contemplate supporting them though. I wouldn't even support any teams with Dutchmen on it, but if Kerry would ever have a Dutchie playing for them I might have to. I totally understand your point of view and certainly wouldn't want you to change that. Your loyalty to your club is commendable. It just so happens I would always go for the Kerry club.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Feb 14, 2015 11:32:15 GMT
On another sidetone: I had an argument recently in Cork about the 1987 Munster final and replay. I have to admit I was not at the games and I have only ever seen highlights of both games, so I could be very very wrong, but the highlights sometimes give a very good overview of the game. (I would love to see the full coverage of those games some day if such a video exists at all). What I noticed is that Cork defeated Kerry by playing the style that Kerry used so effectively against them for 12 years. In my opinion Cork's success in 1989 and 1990 came from the fact that they adopted a very effective style, Kerry's, in order to beat Kerry in Munster and then others in the finals. In the same way that Kerry copped on from defeats to Tyrone to play more defensively and develop a blanket style defence of their own. Maybe not a popular opinion in Cork of course but it is obvious in the 1987 games that Cork played like Kerry did before. Cork came up against a very physical Meath team like Kerry had done with Dublin and they found a way past them like Kerry did with Dublin.
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Post by An Tarbh Rua on Feb 14, 2015 11:40:47 GMT
Cork were better than Kerry in 1987 regardless of tactics - should have won in Killarney in 86 but for a tour de force by Tom Spillane.
As regards loyalty am I right in thinking Seoirse you are not from Kerry and adopted it as your county. I find that stranger than not cheering for a rival club.Part of club rivalry all over the world is about hoping your rivals fail when you can't win!!
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Post by ansúilleabhánach on Feb 14, 2015 11:49:53 GMT
Any one not supporting the Kerry clubs this weekend cannot call themselves true Kerry fans. So it is that I cannot call myself a true Kerry fan. Gan amhras, áfach, is Ciarraíoch mé, is beidh go lá mo bháis. The counterargument is that Cumann Lúthchleas Gael is not founded on fans, because a fan is something that you can switch on and off.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Feb 14, 2015 12:01:25 GMT
As regards loyalty am I right in thinking Seoirse you are not from Kerry and adopted it as your county. I find that stranger than not cheering for a rival club.Part of club rivalry all over the world is about hoping your rivals fail when you can't win!! You are right indeed. Made my choice for Kerry a long time ago. Will always stick with it, no matter what happens. Made the choice when Kerry were not the dominant force in Football and made it based purely on the way they play. I've always admired the typical kerry style and there is no better sight to me. If Kerry were not in the Munster final, but Cork were I would support anyone but Cork indeed. A Cork Limerick Munster final would mean I would be a very passionate Limerick supporter for the day. But once we go past that stage I would like Munster counties to do well. If only so we can get another Cork kerry game in Croke Park. But asides from that I would be much more like our Ulster brethren who will passionate support the last Ulster county/club standing. When St. Gall's won ultimate honours in 2010 there were people there from all clubs in Belfast and a huge support from Ulster. Their bitterest rivals put aside their differences and supported their county's representatives. I have no love for Nemo Rangers or St. Finnbarr's and wouldn't mind if they never ever win a single game again in. But...if the final in Croke park was between Nemo Rangers and a non-Munster team (well it will always be) I will hope the Munster representatives win, even if it is a Cork club. Likewise if Leinster go on this year and get to the final of the Champions Cup, or whatever it's called, I would support them even though I have no love for Leinster rugby. I would have wanted Munster to be there, but they aren't. If we're in the pool stages and both Munster and Leinster are in the same pool I would love nothing more than to see Leinster lose all games even if they lose them to French sides. That's because they would be rivals at that stage. When you're team is no longer in the running they would no longer be rivals in that competition to me, so I would support my county's/country's/province's representatives. I don't believe in the old :if we get beaten by x in the semi-final and x win the final then we were basically number 2 that year as we were beaten by the winners. Likewise I won't support their opponents just because they bate us in the semi. Mayo supporters all went passionate Donegal supporters for the final last year because they were bitter about being beaten by Kerry. If Cork would have beaten Kerry in the semi (will never happen anyway) but play Donegal in the final, I would still hope the Munster team win, even if it is Cork.
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Post by An Tarbh Rua on Feb 14, 2015 12:11:24 GMT
I take it your from Antrim - who would you support in an Antrim/Kerry AI final.
Whatever reason you adopted Kerry it was not because they were not a dominant force. Kerry are on a short list of 3 or 4 to win an AI. I'm intrigued that you take on anti Cork as part of your Kerry immersion. TBH you are the first person I ever came across in the GAA that has passionately adopted a county you were not born or brought up in. Reminds me of thewas soccer supporters adopt Man Utd and Liverpool and use "we".
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Feb 14, 2015 12:17:22 GMT
My dad's club, and therefore my club, when growing up was Waterschei. My dad's wasn't born in Belgium so like me had to choose a club. He chose our local club. Always stayed Waterschei, even when they amalgamated with Vinkenslag to form Racing Genk. Never ever went to a Genk game and I also never supported Genk. (not a soccer supporter anyway) But if Genk would play a team from outside of Limburg I would want Genk to win. Genk's fiercest rivals are Standard Luik. People absolutely loath them to the point where being Genk or Standard is often settled fighting. Any other club would be acceptable to a certain degree but not Standard. If Standard would play a non Belgium team in Europe though and Genk aren't in the competition people would want Standard to win though. My dad was Merckx man, his brother de Vlaeminck. They would still want a Fleming to win a race though if the other wouldn't. Different is the difference between Tom Boonen and Philippe Gilbert. Gilbert more than once made anti-Flemish comments and whenever he races I hope he falls down a ravine.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Feb 14, 2015 12:20:28 GMT
I take it your from Antrim - who would you support in an Antrim/Kerry AI final. Whatever reason you adopted Kerry it was not because they were not a dominant force. Kerry are on a short list of 3 or 4 to win an AI. I'm intrigued that you take on anti Cork as part of your Kerry immersion. TBH you are the first person I ever came across in the GAA that has passionately adopted a county you were not born or brought up in. Reminds me of thewas soccer supporters adopt Man Utd and Liverpool and use "we". Actually from Belgium. Lived in Antrim, Dublin and Down though and now in Cork. Worked for Antrim and Ulster at Casement Park so have a soft spot for Antrim alright. Still wouldn't back anyone against kerry. As a non-Irish national I could not grow up with a love for a certain county so had to pick. I find it hard to compare it to Irishman supporting Man Utd though when they have local soccer teams as well that they don't support.
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Post by An Tarbh Rua on Feb 14, 2015 12:35:56 GMT
Fair enough Seoirse- lucky you did not decide on Mayo!! Had your father Kerry connection?
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Post by Deise Exile on Feb 14, 2015 14:31:09 GMT
Any one not supporting the Kerry clubs this weekend cannot call themselves true Kerry fans. So it is that I cannot call myself a true Kerry fan. Gan amhras, áfach, is Ciarraíoch mé, is beidh go lá mo bháis. The counterargument is that Cumann Lúthchleas Gael is not founded on fans, because a fan is something that you can switch on and off. Give me a break with that bladder
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Post by Chinatown on Feb 14, 2015 15:26:43 GMT
Corofin by 5 pts and Brosnna up 3 pts to nil
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Post by buck02 on Feb 14, 2015 16:07:30 GMT
Fair enough Seoirse- lucky you did not decide on Mayo!! Had your father Kerry connection? Yes, his favourite butter is Kerrygold. Brosna about to win unless they concede a couple of late goals. 7 pts to 3 with about 10 to go.
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Post by An Tarbh Rua on Feb 14, 2015 16:17:23 GMT
Brosna win 8-5
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Feb 14, 2015 16:47:08 GMT
Fair enough Seoirse- lucky you did not decide on Mayo!! Had your father Kerry connection? My father has a Romanian Jewish and a Hungarian connection (his father born in the Hungarian city of Koloszvar which is now in the Romanian city of Cluj) and was born in Germany. Mother is Flemish through and through going back to the same town in Limburg until the 11th century. I do have family in Leitrim who emigrated in 1945 to South Leitrim. I grew up with my best friend int he village being from Kilkenny and I used to watch football and hurling on videotapes his family sent him. Always loved Kerry before I even knew what football was really like. My parents were both singers, though not professionally, and they loved Irish music (as well as opera). The first band I was really in to were U2 so even in 1982 I already had an interest in Ireland. It's the reason I moved to Ireland as soon as I got a job here. The only butter that comes into this house is Kerrygold I believe our house is the only one in Carrigaline with a Kerry flag though.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Feb 14, 2015 16:57:21 GMT
Corofin 1-14 St Vincent's 1-09 Corofin dethroned champions St Vincents in the All-Ireland Club SFC semi-final this afternoon in O'Connor Park, ending the Dublin club's 27-month unbeaten run with a 1-14 to 1-09 win. Lesser teams than the Galway champions would have been mentally crushed after Tomás Quinn put St Vincents in the lead with a penalty in the 23rd minute, having spurned three goal chances at the other end. However, they drove down the field to strike a goal of their own through Martin Farragher and went on to build up a 1-11 to 1-06 lead six minutes after half time. Three scores in-a-row for Vincents threatened to swing momentum back in favour of the Marino side but Corofin dominated the final quarter to secure victory, holding their opponents scoreless and eventually securing the insurance scores that they needed though Ian Burke, Gary Sice and Michael Farragher. The 4,188 supporters that travelled to the midlands were treated to an outstanding hour of football with both sides looking to move the ball with the foot as fast as possible. For the first half in particular, the pace of the game and the accuracy of Corofin’s diagonal foot passing was simply sublime. They conceded two of the first three scores to fall behind, one of which was a stunning Diarmuid Connolly strike from out on the right wing, but while the Dublin centre-forward provided his team with a mercurial scoring talent, he along with every other player was overshadowed this afternoon by the force of nature that was Michael Lundy of Corofin. The Galway wing-forward was at the heart of all his team’s best work in this tie and either side of kicking his side’s first point from play, he drew two fouls to allow Gary Sice to put Corofin back into the lead. Ian Burke was also in fine scoring form for the Connacht champions and he had the game’s first goal chance in the 13th minute when Daithí Burke flicked the ball into his path on the edge of the large square, but Michael Savage did brilliantly in the Vincent's goal to close down the angle and deflect his shot out for a 45 metre kick. Corofin were the superior team throughout the opening half but they weren’t making their supremacy count on the scoreboard and two further goal chances were spurned before it looked as if they’d make their breakthrough from the penalty spot. Again, Lundy was central to their efforts as he centred the ball from the left corner into the path of Gary Sice, who in turn was dragged to the ground by Brendan Egan. Gary Delaney stepped up to take the penalty but crashed his shot off the crossbar and 30 seconds later referee Padraig Hughes was again stretching his arms wide, this time for a foul by Kieran Fitzgerald on Ciarán Dorney. Tomás Quinn made no mistake with the kick, neatly placing the ball into the bottom corner and when Brendan Egan followed up with a close-range point to make it 1-06 to 0-07 to the All Ireland champions, Corofin could have been forgiven for feeling that they had failed to cash in on their early dominance and were about to pay a heavy price for that failure. At that moment good fortune smiled upon them as a long ball from Ronan Steede broke kindly for Lundy and he promptly barrelled through the heart of the St Vincent's defence to set up Martin Farragher in front of goal. Jarlath Curley almost deflected Farragher’s effort clear but the ball crept over the line to put Corofin back in front. Further points from play from Lundy either side of half-time appeared to add fuel to Corofin’s momentum and they were soon five points in front before scores from Connolly (twice) and Quinn pulled Vincent's right back into contention by the midway point of the half. Indeed matters could have been much worse for Corofin had Padraig Hughes not handed them another reprieve shortly after the interval. Ciarán Dorney successfully slipped a low shot underneath the legs of Tom Healy and it fell to Cathal Silke to dive on the ball and save a second goal. It appeared as if the Corofin defender handled the ball on the ground, but Hughes waved play on. If Vincents had got out of jail however it would have been a travesty as Corofin regained their vim and vigour in the final ten minutes and stamped their class on the tie one last time. Vital interventions from Kieran McGrath and Kieran Fitzgerald snuffed out the Vincents dangermen, Daithí Burke made a couple of wonderful catches at midfield and three late points secured their progression to the All-Ireland Club final in just over four weeks’ time. Corofin: T Healy; K McGrath, K Fitzgerald, C Silke; A Burke, L Silke, G Sice (0-03, frees); G Higgins, R Steede; M Lundy (0-04), G Delaney, D Burke; Martin Farragher (1-02), Michael Farragher, I Burke (0-05, 0-01 free). Subs: D Wall for Steede (52), J Burke for Martin Farragher (60), C Cunningham for A Burke (60), K Murphy for Michael Farragher (60+2) St Vincent's: M Savage; H Gill, J Curley, M Concarr; Cameron Diamond, G Brennan, B Egan (0-01); G Burke, E Fennell; Cormac Diamond, D Connolly (0-03, 0-01 free), S Carthy (0-01); R Trainor (0-02), C Dorney (0-01), T Quinn (1-01, 1-00 pen 0-01 free). Subs: T Diamond for Cormac Diamond (36), G Murphy for Dorney (41), E Brady for Concarr (55) Referee: Padraig Hughes (Armagh)
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Feb 14, 2015 17:14:10 GMT
GOAL DAVID GRIFFIN, ARDFERT! @aib_GAA All-Ireland IFC Club Final; @ardfertkerry 1-5 @croans 0-2 #GAA
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Feb 14, 2015 17:17:14 GMT
AIB All-Ireland Club Intermediate Football Championship Final (1st half,26 min) Ardfert (Kerry) 1-5 St Croans (Roscommon) 0-2
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Feb 14, 2015 17:20:42 GMT
Brosna 0-8 John Mitchels 0-5
BROSNA OF KERRY won the All-Ireland junior football championship final at Croke Park, beating John Mitchels of Liverpool. Kingdom clubs have a strong record in this competition and this is the sixth time that the cup has gone to the county since it was first handed out in 2002. They were well on top for most of this game, though they had to withstand a strong barrage late on. With five minutes to go they led by four and looked in control. Mitchels put in one last effort and they cut the cap to two and there were some hairy moments for the Brosna defence as their goal led a charmed life. For Mitchels it was All-Ireland heartbreak for the second time, and on St Valentine’s Day too. They lost to Kerry opposition on their first trip to Croke Park in the 2009 final too, Skellig Rangers on that occasion. Mitchels didn’t get their first score of the game until the 21st minute, though by this time Brosna had only managed three points despite dominating in terms of possession. Kieran Lynam converted for the Exiles while the Kerry men were down to 14 men as they readied a replacement for full-back Micheal Murphy, who had just been shown a black card.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Feb 14, 2015 17:21:29 GMT
Latest Score (30+2 mins): @aib_GAA All-Ireland IFC Club Final; @ardfertkerry 1-6 @croans 0-2 #GAA
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Feb 14, 2015 17:22:33 GMT
Half time . Ardfert 1-06 St Croens 0-3.
Come on Kerry Treble!!!!!
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Feb 14, 2015 17:38:11 GMT
01mins 2nd half Ardfert:1-7(10) St Croans:0-3(3).
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Feb 14, 2015 17:41:41 GMT
Latest Score (34 mins): @aib_GAA All-Ireland IFC Club Final; @ardfertkerry 1-8 @croans 0-3 #GAA
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Post by Chinatown on Feb 14, 2015 17:45:21 GMT
1-10 to 0-4 Looking good for Ardfert
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Feb 14, 2015 17:46:28 GMT
08mins 2nd half Ardfert:1-10(13) St Croans:0-4(4).
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Feb 14, 2015 17:55:46 GMT
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Feb 14, 2015 17:58:30 GMT
Latest Score (51 mins): @aib_GAA All-Ireland IFC Club Final; @ardfertkerry 1-12 @croans 0-07 #GAA
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Feb 14, 2015 18:00:23 GMT
Jack O’Shea, Glenbeigh won handball’s Munster 40x20 Junior A Singles Final, beating David Walsh, Waterford 21-14. 21-12 23mins 2nd half Ardfert:1-13(16) St Croans:0-7(7).
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