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Post by tmg on Oct 28, 2014 15:39:42 GMT
Kenmare shamrocks Munster junior hurling HOME match
Has to be played 50miiles away in Tralee, so much for clubs being the heart and soul of the GAA, obviously this does not apply to HURLING CLUBS in KERRY.
Shame on you County Board
Shame on you Munster Council.
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Post by lár na páirce on Oct 28, 2014 16:28:20 GMT
Don't know the ins and outs of it but it's an awful shame the game could not have been played closer to Kenmare.
It would actually suit the opposition aswell so it seems like a fairly crazy call
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Post by tmg on Oct 29, 2014 9:46:46 GMT
The long and short of it is...
The Munster Council firmly believes that each and every little club across the province must erect a permanent stand in order to be capable to hold a championship match.
The Munster Council are adamant that any club that invests whatever little capital they have instead on....
Pitch improvements
Drainage
Indoor training facilities
Outdoor all weather training facilities
Floodlighting
Dressing room and facility improvements.....
SHALL BE SLAPPED ON THE WRIST
AND WILL HAVE TO PLAY HOME CHAMPIONSHIP FIXTURES 50MILES AWAY AS PUNISHMENT.
It is our Munster Councils belief that it is far more important for every little club to plough the little money they have into building a permanent eye sore, sorry, stand, on the off chance that a club may one day reach a Munster championship fixture and that it might just rain on the day the game is fixed for.
Forget about developing and enhancing ones grounds and encouraging and promoting underage Gaelic games,
You must build a stand, an eye sore, a dead duck..,.
This is the message from our Munster Council
And our Co. board accepts that.... When it comes to hurling anyway.
DISGRACE
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Post by gmk on Oct 29, 2014 10:31:59 GMT
Sorry to dissapoint you, but stand is not key. Our Club (Ballina Tipp) won co IHC last year & travelled to Bruff to play Limerick Champs (Dromin/Athlacca). Not everyone fitted in stand. We then had a home semi-final against St Brendan's. We have a stand & some uncovered terracing beside it (concrete steps). This was not enough, we had to play in Nenagh because Munster considered our ground unsuitable - field not permantly fenced off or no turnstiles. Don't know was it to keep out Tipperary or Kerry madmen.  ? We have a permanent barrier in front of stand & Terrace - very easy to lean on!! Higher than barrier around Semple Stadium, but only one horizontal bar When it was rejected we proposed Dolla/Silvermines as an alternative, but this was rejected also. Yet it was good enough for the home club the previous year in the same Munster Club IHC!!! Nenagh is a good venue & only 8-10 miles from us but the wire around field is broke in several places & gates from stand into playing field were open!!! Had we been at home we would have produced a programme for that unique occasion. instead we got a hand-out ;1 A4 page produced by Munster Council & selling for €2 I think So stand could be an issue this year, but maybe not. I don't know if they have a set of guidelines for hosting games |
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Post by tmg on Oct 29, 2014 10:56:06 GMT
The Munster council did not even have the dignity to send any representative down to kenmare this year to inspect the grounds and facilities
And like your story the grounds were good enough to host charliville a couple of years back in the same completion.
I think you have hit the nail on the head with the A4 sheet programmes on sale by the Munster council for the Munster council, and venue issues may also boil down to jobs for the boys and more expenses,
The club it's self and the local town and community's are forgotten .
Our club sponsors Eamon's, The Roughty Bar, and all businesses in town who give generously time and time again to keep the club alive must be bitterly disappointed and who would blame them
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Post by gmk on Oct 29, 2014 11:14:32 GMT
These championships (Junior & Inter) were introduced for smaller clubs. As a way of giving smaller clubs an outlet outside their own county. The whole community like Senior Clubs rejoices in this success.
2nd teams are not allowed into Comps.
Munster Council should remember that it is for smaller clubs & therefor, they should try to facilitate home games as much as possible
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Post by sidelined on Oct 29, 2014 11:18:17 GMT
alot of work has been done over the last few years improving the playing surface of main field in kenmare.plenty parking available, doesnt need a concrete stand as the parking area is above the field. probably the best venue in kerry to view a match, sit in the car with radio kerry sports on and you have the best of both worlds. totally daft by munster council not to let game go ahead. kilgarvan a few years ago had to give up home venue and play in cloughduv. funny enough had keel to play an allireland semi final at a venue with no stand, dugout or perimeter fencing?. so much for clubs being the heartbeat of the gaa!
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Post by tmg on Oct 29, 2014 13:02:55 GMT
Many clubs are in the same boat as kenmare . They have spent massive voluntary time and moneys, moneys mainly sponsored by kind giving people within their community, developing and upgrading grounds and facilities in order to enhance, encourage and promote our Gaelic games. They have done their sums and decided against building an ugly money draining obsolete stand These clubs should have the opportunity to showcase themselves when the opportunity arises, to both the visitors,their own community and their generous sponsors. Shame on you Munster council Shame on you and your petty excuses, No permanent stand, no sufficient parking facilities.... RUBBISH.... What parking facilities are there in Croke Park??? If DunnesStores is busy in Tralee ..... What parking facilities has Austin Stack Park on offer? !!!!! Il tell you, NONE. The Muster Council is in the process of destroying the heart and soul of the GAA.... And sadly , worse, are blindly patting themselves on the back for doing so. |
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Post by buck02 on Oct 29, 2014 15:34:21 GMT
I recall Keel playing an all ireland semi final last year and there wasnt even a dugout for the subs nevermind a stand for the spectators.
Although we are only hearing one side of the story here, I'm pretty sure that the roads in and out of Kenmare wont be jammed with traffic for a hurling match. If its just about the stand, could they not have used Templenoe?
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Post by tmg on Oct 29, 2014 15:55:44 GMT
I recall Keel playing an all ireland semi final last year and there wasnt even a dugout for the subs nevermind a stand for the spectators. Although we are only hearing one side of the story here, I'm pretty sure that the roads in and out of Kenmare wont be jammed with traffic for a hurling match. If its just about the stand, could they not have used Templenoe? |
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Post by tmg on Oct 29, 2014 16:07:03 GMT
I think Templenoe was shot down as a venue because their club house has not subscribed to the Sky Sports Package.
I think the new Munster council secretary, trying to put his own stamp on things, trying hard to create his own legacy, introduced a new ruling this year whereby........
Any club in Munster that has not yet subscribed to the SKY SPORTS PACKAGE will be automatically deemed unsuitable to host any Munster Club Championship fixture.
So I believe anyway...
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Post by wideball on Oct 29, 2014 19:06:21 GMT
Fan of conspiracy theory tmg?
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Post by finuge86 on Oct 29, 2014 21:31:43 GMT
Ardfert footballers had to play Munster football in kilmoyley last week Bcoz of no stand!! You don't here them complaining just have to get on with it an that's it
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Post by sidelined on Oct 29, 2014 22:32:25 GMT
kilmoyley players play football with ardfert. didnt have to travel 50 miles. like i stated earlier kenmare is the best venue to watch a game. would the game have been played in killarney only for replay of football final?
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Post by mossie on Oct 29, 2014 23:00:45 GMT
Ardfert footballers had to play Munster football in kilmoyley last week Bcoz of no stand!! You don't here them complaining just have to get on with it an that's it ah here - come on. you are not comparing like with like. Kilmoyley's pitch is about 3 miles from Ardfert. Plus Ardfert regularly use it for football games. They have used in the past for kerry championship games in preference to their own ground as the playing surface and facilities are better. St Brendans Board teams also use Kilmoyley for football and the Ardfert footballers have played loadsa games in hurling there. Kilmoyleys pitch is practically a home ground for Ardfert in football terms despite their deadly rivalry as hurling opponents! |
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Post by mossie on Oct 29, 2014 23:07:01 GMT
kilmoyley players play football with ardfert. didnt have to travel 50 miles. like i stated earlier kenmare is the best venue to watch a game. would the game have been played in killarney only for replay of football final? There is only one kilmoyley player on the Ardfert football team but that is besides the point really. kilmoyley is a very suitable venue for Ardfert. surely an east Kerry venue could have been found - Rathmore? if the game is on the same day as the county football final well it mite rule out venues like Crokes owing to traffic, other logistical reasons. At the heel of the hunt, Tralee might be okay for Kenmare in that they hurled superbly there in the intermediate final and also won a minor county final there 3 or 4 years ago |
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 29, 2014 23:22:07 GMT
Kilmoyley is in Ardfert parish......
Forgive me if this is a stupid observation but..... why cant this game be played as a curtain raiser to the football final replay... assuming its on the same day.... I presume there is no curtain raiser.
How come grounds have to be of a certain standard for munster club games and of a lesser standard for county games. What kind of logic is that... I don't think the crowd in Lerrig last sunday for the Ardfert game all squashed into the stand. Why is is okay for some fans to be uncovered? I am baffled.
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 29, 2014 23:29:58 GMT
Ardfert footballers had to play Munster football in kilmoyley last week Bcoz of no stand!! You don't here them complaining just have to get on with it an that's it ah here - come on. you are not comparing like with like. Kilmoyley's pitch is about 3 miles from Ardfert. Plus Ardfert regularly use it for football games. They have used in the past for kerry championship games in preference to their own ground as the playing surface and facilities are better. St Brendans Board teams also use Kilmoyley for football and the Ardfert footballers have played loadsa games in hurling there. Kilmoyleys pitch is practically a home ground for Ardfert in football terms despite their deadly rivalry as hurling opponents! In the lead up to the game last weekend Pat Driscoll was interviewed and he said that the focus was on winning the double...the hurling championship and the intermediate football championship. Ardfert lost to the eventual winners, Lixnaw by a point in a replay so the chance to meet Kilmoyley in a final was lost. It would have been great craic. Had they beaten Kilmoyley in the hurling final I don't think Spa would have had too much difficulty though!!! |
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Post by mossie on Oct 29, 2014 23:39:11 GMT
Kilmoyley is in Ardfert parish...... Forgive me if this is a stupid observation but..... why cant this game be played as a curtain raiser to the football final replay... assuming its on the same day.... I presume there is no curtain raiser. How come grounds have to be of a certain standard for munster club games and of a lesser standard for county games. What kind of logic is that... I don't think the crowd in Lerrig last sunday for the Ardfert game all squashed into the stand. Why is is okay for some fans to be uncovered? I am baffled. I d imagine cos its a Munster Council fixture and they want all the gate receipts to themselves and the Kerry co board want the county final gate to themselves. It probably makes sense to have a Kerry football game as the curtain raiser to the Kerry football final to be fair someone mentioned local businesses that support local GAA clubs. Its bad form that they cant get something back by games like these being held locally. Lets hope Lixnaw can host their game v Bruff. I am expecting a huge attendance at this game. There was a massive Kerry following at the munster intermediate hurling final between Effin and Ballyduff a few years back - it hit 4,500 I believe which was bigger than the attendance at the munster senior club final also held the same weekend. Bruff will also bring a big gang and with Limerick legends like Mark Foley\Ciaran Carey over Lixnaw it will add to Limerick interest |
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Post by tmg on Oct 29, 2014 23:40:24 GMT
All I've tried to highlight is that the Munster council should take a long hard look at itself and spot loseing sight of what the gaa is all about and how community is the life and soul of local GAA
any club from any parish that have,through hard work and dedication, managed to come out of their county and reach provincial knockout stages, if drawn at home should be allowed play at home. If a pitch is deemed unplayable fair enough, but just because a club does not have a permanent stand or 10,000 parking spaces there pitch is deemed unsuitable? Come on.... Have we forgotten where we came from? Have we forgotten what the GAA is all about?
It's high time the Munster council got off their high horses and stopped massaging their own egos, like class bullies at school on power trips, and started to communicate, advise and help local clubs out in hosting what are marvellous occasions at home on their own home grounds
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Post by mossie on Oct 29, 2014 23:42:57 GMT
ah here - come on. you are not comparing like with like. Kilmoyley's pitch is about 3 miles from Ardfert. Plus Ardfert regularly use it for football games. They have used in the past for kerry championship games in preference to their own ground as the playing surface and facilities are better. St Brendans Board teams also use Kilmoyley for football and the Ardfert footballers have played loadsa games in hurling there. Kilmoyleys pitch is practically a home ground for Ardfert in football terms despite their deadly rivalry as hurling opponents! In the lead up to the game last weekend Pat Driscoll was interviewed and he said that the focus was on winning the double...the hurling championship and the intermediate football championship. Ardfert lost to the eventual winners, Lixnaw by a point in a replay so the chance to meet Kilmoyley in a final was lost. It would have been great craic. Had they beaten Kilmoyley in the hurling final I don't think Spa would have had too much difficulty though!!! the same Pat Driscoll continues to deliver success at club level across both codes also went out of his way to congratulate Lixnaw hurlers on his après match Radio Kerry interview after the football game. was very big in his praise for them especially when you consider Lixnaw dethroned them in the hurling |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2014 13:43:19 GMT
In the lead up to the game last weekend Pat Driscoll was interviewed and he said that the focus was on winning the double...the hurling championship and the intermediate football championship. Ardfert lost to the eventual winners, Lixnaw by a point in a replay so the chance to meet Kilmoyley in a final was lost. It would have been great craic. Had they beaten Kilmoyley in the hurling final I don't think Spa would have had too much difficulty though!!! the same Pat Driscoll continues to deliver success at club level across both codes also went out of his way to congratulate Lixnaw hurlers on his après match Radio Kerry interview after the football game. was very big in his praise for them especially when you consider Lixnaw dethroned them in the hurling The Lixnaw chairman wished Ardfert the best of luck last Saturday on Radio Kerry so Pat was returning the gesture by congratulating them on their win last Sunday,a nice gesture by both men. Re the Kenmare issue,it is a long way for them to travel to play,surely this match could have been fixed for the Saturday afternoon and be played in Lewis Road. Ballyduff played a Munster Semi Final against Eire Og of Clare in Austin Stack Park a few years ago even though they had played at home in the past against Hospital/Herberetstown in the Intermediate and Toomevara in the Munster Senior Championship. Lixnaw could use Austin Stack Park as well for their game against Bruff even though their own place should be well able to hold the crowd. |
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Post by hurlingman on Oct 30, 2014 22:52:55 GMT
First off i hope the thing about the Sky Sports package is a joke!
I for one cant see any reason or logic for this. It would make sense if it was an across the board thing but it clearly isnt as their have been examples that say otherwise.
Clubs should vote with their feet, if they're not left play in their home pitch without a good reason then they should refuse they play anywhere else
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? We have a permanent barrier in front of stand & Terrace - very easy to lean on!! Higher than barrier around Semple Stadium, but only one horizontal bar
