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Post by ballynamona on Oct 10, 2014 15:29:44 GMT
Four teams had a realistic chance of winning this year’s All Ireland - the 4 semi-finalists. Galway- a good young team and will benefit from the new manager. Fitzwop has said that they are miles from an All-Ireland and that is true as far as lifting Sam is concerned but they could be mature enough next year to give some team a right run in the Semi Final. Armagh will definitely be a force under McGeeney. He always got Kildare to the quarter finals and he showed his hand a little bit this year even though he was only assistant manager. Can’t believe that Brolly & McStay put Down ahead of them when discussing the Ulster draw last night. Meath are better than they appeared this year. They went into the game against Dublin short a couple of players through injury and everything went wrong. They have a very astute manager in Mick O’Dowd. Again, they won’t lift Sam but could have a good run. Armagh are in Div 3. It is no preperation. I know they defied league form this year but not sure that they will feature much in the championship. Mentality is a huge problem with Galway. Didn't go for the jugular v Kerry when they could have. They will be targeting a Connacht title, which would mean they would potentially meet Dublin in the SF.
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Post by givehimaball on Oct 10, 2014 16:44:33 GMT
Armagh are in Div 3. It is no preperation. I know they defied league form this year but not sure that they will feature much in the championship. Mentality is a huge problem with Galway. Didn't go for the jugular v Kerry when they could have. They will be targeting a Connacht title, which would mean they would potentially meet Dublin in the SF. The real problem for Armagh playing Division 3 football is that's for a top team it's a serious waste of a year in terms of developing players. Imagine if Kerry had been playing Division 3 football this year - think how it would have affected the development of our younger inexperienced player. No real surprise to see a few of the older Armagh lads pack it and and Jamie Clarke head off travelling for 9 months as opposed to fluting around playing Division 3 football. The way things are in Division 3 Armagh won't come near any sort of serious defensive team and will canter to promotion and then will be facing into an Ulster dogfight. If Tyrone win then will have gotten revenge for all the defeats to Donegal as well as knocking out an All-Ireland finalist so morale will be sky-high, whereas if Donegal win it will give them great confidence that things aren't necessarily collapse now that Messiah Jim has gone. Both Tyrone and Donegal will have the advantage of playing the top teams in the bearpit that Division 1 football will be next year. McGeeney will be looking to get the hell out of Division 3 pronto before its infests his team - feck it more than half their opponents in the division are primarily hurling counties. It'll be fairly hard for McGeeney to convince the Armagh lads that they are seriously in the hunt for Sam when they are playing league games that barely get mentioned in terms of national GAA coverage in front of minuscule crowds. I'd imagine a large part of the reason McGeeney wanted a 5year deal was that he knew next year was extremely unlikely to yield any sort of serious success [if Armagh don't stroll out of Division 3 I expect him to be gone immediately, so I wouldnt count that as serious succes although you can be sure that's how he's will be planning on selling it] and wanted the impression of a long-term plan to be put in Armagh siupporter's minds
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Post by wideball on Oct 10, 2014 19:48:16 GMT
no one near dublin in leinster. kerry for munster despite tipp and clare improving, cork to win in killarney ? not a hope. the rossies the best of the west next year. mayo all over the place post-horan. galways whole year could be beating mayo and similiar to sligo in 2010, take there eye off the ball in the final. ulster the toughest to call as always. monaghan have to beat cavan and then fermanagh/antrim to get to their third final in a row. donegal with out mcguiness, tyrone not being good enough and derry usually bottling championship leaves down (clarke and mooney back from afl) and armagh (geezer a great influence) left to battle it out with monaghan.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Oct 10, 2014 23:56:58 GMT
Cavan need a proper manager...someone like James Horan.
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Post by homerj on Oct 11, 2014 7:19:45 GMT
If they want to end Dublins dominance (or at least the huge wins) they should take their first game out of Croke Park and give home advantage to Offaly/longford.
Dublin will still win, but its worth 5 or 6 points to move the game out.
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Post by donegalman on Oct 11, 2014 9:38:29 GMT
If they want to end Dublins dominance (or at least the huge wins) they should take their first game out of Croke Park and give home advantage to Offaly/longford. Dublin will still win, but its worth 5 or 6 points to move the game out. Thats an interesting topic. I think that they more than likely wont move from croke park for a couple of reasons. #1 is about revenue. #2 is about the players actually wanting to play in croke park. This is one of the highlights of a gaa players career. Status quo in the gaa is very slow to change. I think that the championship is really enhanced when you see a superpower in the gaa put out of their comfort zone, especially in the back door and having to travel away from home. I think the dubs actually like to travel as well. This year was a good add for provincial grounds and what they can offer as an alternative, and with all the problems with residents groups in dublin, it might be a good thing to mix things up a bit next year. You are right, it would not result in dublin losing the game, but it could be a good shot in the arm for a county like offaly who needs some inspiration and fast.
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Post by sidelined on Oct 11, 2014 22:33:31 GMT
after the success of the game in limerick, the gaa might change their attitude towards games in smaller venues. nothing worse than having 20000 in croke park for a double header and the echo of every kick being heard. also would be great economic boost to provincial towns.
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Post by legendz on Oct 12, 2014 9:51:53 GMT
I don't want any wholesale change to championship structures. It is about time we had North, South, East and West provincial championships. You can call the Munster Council by The South Council or move some counties around --- it'll still be a provincial championship that can kick off the All Ireland Series. No to open draw. No to league. No to anything that isn't "Championship" (notwithstanding the "back door"!!). I do not agree with wholesale changes either. Even if provincial groups were introduced with 1 group of 5 or 6 in Munster and Connaught, and 2 groups of 5 or 6 in both Leinster and Ulster, there'll be complaints that some teams will get tanked more often than the do currently. Personally I think rounds 3 and 4 of the qualifiers should be scrapped with a Round of 16 brought in: 1. Provincial Preliminary Rounds 2. Provincial Quarter-finals 3. Provincial Semi-finals & Qualifier Round 1 4. Provincial Finals & Qualifier Round 2 5. All-Ireland Round of 16 6. All-Ireland Quarter-finals 7. All-Ireland Semi-finals 8. All-Ireland Final Now with the above, qualifier rounds 1 and 2 can be played in parallel with the provincial semi-finals and finals. The Round of 16 can be an open draw with a few provisions: * Provincial winners drawn at home to a qualifier county. * Provincial runners-up draw against a qualifier county with a separate draw to determine the home team. With this; Provincial champions are guaranteed a home game. Provincial runners-up have a 1 in 2 chance of a home game. Qualifier counties have a 1 in 4 chance of a home game. I think it's a fair solution that strikes a balance between the current format and streamlining the championship a bit more.
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Post by homerj on Oct 12, 2014 16:59:37 GMT
If they want to end Dublins dominance (or at least the huge wins) they should take their first game out of Croke Park and give home advantage to Offaly/longford. Dublin will still win, but its worth 5 or 6 points to move the game out. Thats an interesting topic. I think that they more than likely wont move from croke park for a couple of reasons. #1 is about revenue. #2 is about the players actually wanting to play in croke park. This is one of the highlights of a gaa players career. would be interesting to see what happens if Offaly/Longford were to demand home advantage. in terms of revenue, you probably wouldnt get more than 35,000 - 40,000 in a double header for the first round or 1/4 final involving Dublin, that would exclude Meath or Kildare. even playing games in Nolan Park, Portlaoise or Navan would allow crowds of up to 30,000. costs would be much less and alot of the premium/corporate tickets for croke park are already sold so there would be no revenue loss for several 1000 of those.
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Post by givehimaball on Oct 12, 2014 17:37:57 GMT
Thats an interesting topic. I think that they more than likely wont move from croke park for a couple of reasons. #1 is about revenue. #2 is about the players actually wanting to play in croke park. This is one of the highlights of a gaa players career. would be interesting to see what happens if Offaly/Longford were to demand home advantage. in terms of revenue, you probably wouldnt get more than 35,000 - 40,000 in a double header for the first round or 1/4 final involving Dublin, that would exclude Meath or Kildare. even playing games in Nolan Park, Portlaoise or Navan would allow crowds of up to 30,000. costs would be much less and alot of the premium/corporate tickets for croke park are already sold so there would be no revenue loss for several 1000 of those. Also you'd imagine that moving the odd Dublin game out of Croker would be appreciated by the "local residents"
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Post by fitz on Oct 12, 2014 22:58:06 GMT
Armagh are in Div 3. It is no preperation. I know they defied league form this year but not sure that they will feature much in the championship. Mentality is a huge problem with Galway. Didn't go for the jugular v Kerry when they could have. They will be targeting a Connacht title, which would mean they would potentially meet Dublin in the SF. The real problem for Armagh playing Division 3 football is that's for a top team it's a serious waste of a year in terms of developing players. Imagine if Kerry had been playing Division 3 football this year - think how it would have affected the development of our younger inexperienced player. No real surprise to see a few of the older Armagh lads pack it and and Jamie Clarke head off travelling for 9 months as opposed to fluting around playing Division 3 football. The way things are in Division 3 Armagh won't come near any sort of serious defensive team and will canter to promotion and then will be facing into an Ulster dogfight. If Tyrone win then will have gotten revenge for all the defeats to Donegal as well as knocking out an All-Ireland finalist so morale will be sky-high, whereas if Donegal win it will give them great confidence that things aren't necessarily collapse now that Messiah Jim has gone. Both Tyrone and Donegal will have the advantage of playing the top teams in the bearpit that Division 1 football will be next year. McGeeney will be looking to get the hell out of Division 3 pronto before its infests his team - feck it more than half their opponents in the division are primarily hurling counties. It'll be fairly hard for McGeeney to convince the Armagh lads that they are seriously in the hunt for Sam when they are playing league games that barely get mentioned in terms of national GAA coverage in front of minuscule crowds. I'd imagine a large part of the reason McGeeney wanted a 5year deal was that he knew next year was extremely unlikely to yield any sort of serious success [if Armagh don't stroll out of Division 3 I expect him to be gone immediately, so I wouldn't count that as serious succes although you can be sure that's how he's will be planning on selling it] and wanted the impression of a long-term plan to be put in Armagh siupporter's minds I don't think McGeeney will be leaving hastily, no matter what happens. Kildare lost to Wicklow in Championship in his first season. This is his native county and likely he's been building toward his chance from when he started with Kildare. He's a tough sticky character and Armagh could well have beaten Donegal. The Division 3 league is not helpful, compartmentalize it, get out of it, and build for Championship. If they get the rust off and win a couple of games, well game on... Galway need 1-2 hard men, to rid them of the "we gave a good account of ourselves". They're too nice. Need to get a couple lads from their club hurling championship, a number of savages available there. Mayo will win Connacht comfortably again, they're well ahead of the others. Dublin shoe in again. Let's see how Cork shape up before casting more judgement. Whilst naturally enjoying this year's win against the odds, now that the odds are looking to be coming on side, our hopes are growing very quickly, maybe too quickly. Back to back is very tough as we know, we'll be on all radars. Cautious optimism definitely, many quiet months lie ahead then a tough league campaign. I'm trying to say that there will be bumps on the road and not to get ahead of ourselves, as a couple of posts are a bit excitable, although truly nothing really wrong with that either. I'm just wary of the "toughest effin animals" coming to the fore if and when we have our first tough day next year. We're in a good place, all is good, winter well, but keep balanced perspective for 15. Big challenges lie there...
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Post by donegalman on Oct 22, 2014 10:17:27 GMT
How likely or unlikely would Cork pose as a threat next year?
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Post by themanhimself on Oct 22, 2014 10:27:58 GMT
How likely or unlikely would Cork pose as a threat next year? I dont think Cork as far off the boil as people think I would rank them behind Kerry, Dublin, Donegal and Mayo. I feel they are the 5th best team i the country and well ahead of the likes of Tyrone, Galway, Meath, Monaghan and Kildare who are the other teams likely to be in and around the quarter finals
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Post by clarinman on Oct 22, 2014 10:53:36 GMT
How likely or unlikely would Cork pose as a threat next year? I dont think Cork as far off the boil as people think I would rank them behind Kerry, Dublin, Donegal and Mayo. I feel they are the 5th best team i the country and well ahead of the likes of Tyrone, Galway, Meath, Monaghan and Kildare who are the other teams likely to be in and around the quarter finals I would put Armagh ahead of all teams you mentioned in your last paragraph.
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Post by Ard Mhacha on Oct 22, 2014 11:23:00 GMT
I dont think Cork as far off the boil as people think I would rank them behind Kerry, Dublin, Donegal and Mayo. I feel they are the 5th best team i the country and well ahead of the likes of Tyrone, Galway, Meath, Monaghan and Kildare who are the other teams likely to be in and around the quarter finals I would put Armagh ahead of all teams you mentioned in your last paragraph. I'm wary of people expecting even bigger things from us next year. It doesn't always work out that way. You can be on your arse in this game before you know it, particularly in the Ulster c'ship. Cavan had a good year last year. This year, nowhere. Tyrone likewise, and they were in a semi last year. We're missing Aaron Kernan, face Donegal or Tyrone first round. After that, who knows?
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Post by donegalman on Oct 22, 2014 11:40:24 GMT
I dont think Armagh will do much damage from division 3, in fairness. They will be a tough nut to crack for sure, but they do need 2 years, and at least division 2 to get them going again. Aran Kiernan is a huge loss. I would not put Armagh ahead of Tyrone. A lot will depend on whether the scores can come from other places other than Jamie Clarke.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Oct 22, 2014 14:37:54 GMT
How likely or unlikely would Cork pose as a threat next year? I dont think Cork as far off the boil as people think I would rank them behind Kerry, Dublin, Donegal and Mayo. I feel they are the 5th best team i the country and well ahead of the likes of Tyrone, Galway, Meath, Monaghan and Kildare who are the other teams likely to be in and around the quarter finals Please stop with this Kildare business they are terrible.
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Post by themanhimself on Oct 23, 2014 8:57:57 GMT
I dont think Cork as far off the boil as people think I would rank them behind Kerry, Dublin, Donegal and Mayo. I feel they are the 5th best team i the country and well ahead of the likes of Tyrone, Galway, Meath, Monaghan and Kildare who are the other teams likely to be in and around the quarter finals Please stop with this Kildare business they are terrible. Haha , sorry, we'll replace them with Armagh and keep everyone happy
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Post by veteran on Oct 23, 2014 13:26:57 GMT
That cannibal of a game, International Rules, will be taking place shortly. I have not seen the list of players taking part but somebody told me today that David Moran is involved. With his injuries history surely this cannot be true. Wouldn't it be nauseating, at a time when Tommy Walsh is coming home, if David sustained a serious injury out there or a recurrence of an old one. Are there any other Kerry players involved in this circus?
I also heard today that Colm O'Neill sustained some injury training for this jungle game.
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Post by Jigz84 on Oct 23, 2014 13:54:58 GMT
Realisitc contenders to win next year are Kerry, Dublin and Mayo. If Cork can beat us in Killarney (assuming we get over the Semi-Finals) then they might be good enough to win the whole thing. Donegal have an awful draw and I don't think the rest in Ulster are good enough at the moment.
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Post by animal on Oct 30, 2014 8:55:36 GMT
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Post by buck02 on Oct 30, 2014 10:29:24 GMT
Massive blow for Cork.
It certainly makes our task of making the 1/4 finals easier next year.
Will Cahalane follow suit?
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Post by animal on Oct 30, 2014 14:53:52 GMT
Its the lure of JBM - he's such an icon for Corkonians. Added to that, Walsh already has a football All-Ireland from '10 so maybe he wants the full set.
It's a blow for Cork but I never thought Walsh did it for them against us.
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Post by seamo on Oct 30, 2014 18:57:48 GMT
That cannibal of a game, International Rules, will be taking place shortly. I have not seen the list of players taking part but somebody told me today that David Moran is involved. With his injuries history surely this cannot be true. Wouldn't it be nauseating, at a time when Tommy Walsh is coming home, if David sustained a serious injury out there or a recurrence of an old one. Are there any other Kerry players involved in this circus? I also heard today that Colm O'Neill sustained some injury training for this jungle game. It is a farce of a game. But in defence of David, he's missed alot of football, plus a shot at AFL, so now that he's fit I'm sure he's eager to experience as much as he can and enjoy competing as opposed to being wrapped in cotton wool. Lets just keep our fingers crossed for him.
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 30, 2014 20:50:23 GMT
Will Cahalane follow suit? Not in the same class as Walsh as a hurler in my opinion. Losing Walsh is a mortal blow for Cork football. But he is right to pick one sport and be the best he can at it.
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Post by givehimaball on Oct 30, 2014 21:16:44 GMT
Will Cahalane follow suit? Not in the same class as Walsh as a hurler in my opinion. Losing Walsh is a mortal blow for Cork football. But he is right to pick one sport and be the best he can at it. Heard that Cahalane is very likely to follow suit and there is a good chance that even Cadogan is going to make his excuses and join the hurlers, which given where he is in the pecking order in both squads (a key member of the footballers and only a squad player for the hurlers) would be a real indication of how bad things are in the football camp. Cuthbert is doing a stunning job of destroying the Cork football team - it's impossible to be a decent manager when the majority of your players think you're an idiot.
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Post by seamo on Oct 30, 2014 21:48:25 GMT
Not in the same class as Walsh as a hurler in my opinion. Losing Walsh is a mortal blow for Cork football. But he is right to pick one sport and be the best he can at it. Heard that Cahalane is very likely to follow suit and there is a good chance that even Cadogan is going to make his excuses and join the hurlers, which given where he is in the pecking order in both squads (a key member of the footballers and only a squad player for the hurlers) would be a real indication of how bad things are in the football camp. Cuthbert is doing a stunning job of destroying the Cork football team - it's impossible to be a decent manager when the majority of your players think you're an idiot.I missed that, which players said he was an idiot?
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Post by givehimaball on Oct 30, 2014 22:07:05 GMT
Heard that Cahalane is very likely to follow suit and there is a good chance that even Cadogan is going to make his excuses and join the hurlers, which given where he is in the pecking order in both squads (a key member of the footballers and only a squad player for the hurlers) would be a real indication of how bad things are in the football camp. Cuthbert is doing a stunning job of destroying the Cork football team - it's impossible to be a decent manager when the majority of your players think you're an idiot.I missed that, which players said he was an idiot? None in public, but in private a serious chunk have no time for him. Don't be surprised if the Cork football squad for next year has a couple of more players missing.
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Post by sidelined on Oct 30, 2014 22:25:48 GMT
first thing cuthbert has to do is decide what style of football he wants his team to play. defensive as in first 50 minutes v mayo or running game or long ball into full forward line as in last 20 v mayo, when they almost pulled game out of the fire. decide and stick to it or they will end up playing like the 70 min v kerry.
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 31, 2014 12:50:50 GMT
A big blow for the Cork Footballers, on foot of Ciaran Sheehan's decision to go down under. JBM was always going to be a big lure Leeside as indeed is the small ball in Cork.
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