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Post by fg on Dec 18, 2014 9:55:26 GMT
I didn't know we'd be using this term in Kerry. We generally don't use the term Freestaters either but that is what we are looked upon and usually In denigrating fashion, just ask any Crokes supporters who have had experience in their past liaisons with Crossmaglen, anyway it was petty of me to use that term, I was just aghast at mcnulty's piece.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Dec 18, 2014 11:22:35 GMT
I didn't know we'd be using this term in Kerry. We generally don't use the term Freestaters either but that is what we are looked upon and usually In denigrating fashion, just ask any Crokes supporters who have had experience in their past liaisons with Crossmaglen, anyway it was petty of me to use that term, I was just aghast at mcnulty's piece. Fair enough.
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Post by Jigz84 on Dec 18, 2014 11:44:07 GMT
Jason Sherlock has also joined the Dublin backroom team. I wouldn't have thought that's what they needed but anyway there you go.
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Post by southward on Dec 18, 2014 12:40:27 GMT
Jason Sherlock has also joined the Dublin backroom team. I wouldn't have thought that's what they needed but anyway there you go. Dubs backroom must be a bigger employer than Kerry Group at this stage.
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Post by donegalman on Dec 18, 2014 17:46:19 GMT
Reading about Armagh in the early 00s, I would say they deserved an all ireland, but 9 is pushing it beyond belief. 2004 was a weird one for them, it was the only year they were beaten by a team that didnt win the all ireland (Fermanagh). We used to absolutely hate playing them, they always gave us a beating. 2004 and 2005 were the worst - they were very good footballers but were very very tough in the tackle as well. 2005 was the year they should have made the final, perhaps 2004 as well. I was at the match in 2006 between kerry and armagh, it was on after the donegal cork game and made it look like a minor match. Was a great battle. you have to say that they definitely took something to a big game with them, and were probably the no. 3 team of the era. They were better than the cork team of the mid to late 00's because of the teams they beat on the road, but that is my opinion (you could argue there was little or nothing in it between them). Why McNulty is saying this is strange. I would say that he has regrets, but thats life, there are very many footballers around the country, (particularly in mayo and kildare) who have never won an all ireland and were good enough to win one on a given day or season, but fate conspired against them.
Armagh were a great team but werent a mighty one.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Dec 18, 2014 19:05:47 GMT
Reading about Armagh in the early 00s, I would say they deserved an all ireland, but 9 is pushing it beyond belief. 2004 was a weird one for them, it was the only year they were beaten by a team that didnt win the all ireland (Fermanagh). We used to absolutely hate playing them, they always gave us a beating. 2004 and 2005 were the worst - they were very good footballers but were very very tough in the tackle as well. 2005 was the year they should have made the final, perhaps 2004 as well. I was at the match in 2006 between kerry and armagh, it was on after the donegal cork game and made it look like a minor match. Was a great battle. you have to say that they definitely took something to a big game with them, and were probably the no. 3 team of the era. They were better than the cork team of the mid to late 00's because of the teams they beat on the road, but that is my opinion (you could argue there was little or nothing in it between them). Why McNulty is saying this is strange. I would say that he has regrets, but thats life, there are very many footballers around the country, (particularly in mayo and kildare) who have never won an all ireland and were good enough to win one on a given day or season, but fate conspired against them. Armagh were a great team but werent a mighty one. Kildare are not in this league at all now. The closest they got to it was '98.
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Post by tpo on Dec 18, 2014 21:22:17 GMT
That Armagh team had some fabulous forwards but set up very defensively, pulling CF to midfield and a midfielder back to CB. They were hard to score against but found it difficult to win.
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Post by donegalman on Dec 18, 2014 22:17:29 GMT
I meant of course former kildare players and teams, up until about 3 years ago. Very unlucky side.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Dec 18, 2014 22:35:57 GMT
I meant of course former kildare players and teams, up until about 3 years ago. Very unlucky side. They weren't unlucky but completely overrated.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Dec 18, 2014 22:37:02 GMT
Armagh could have won in 2000, they pushed Kerry to the absolute limit and there was a kick of a ball in it both days. In 2001 they got caught out. In 2003 they probably should have beaten Tyrone, the year before probably left them short a bit of edge, not surprisingly. 2004 caught out again. 2005 they were unlucky to lose to Tyrone. Would they have beaten Kerry in the final? Arguably yes but I think they were starting to fade from their peak at that stage, so who knows, beating Tyrone could have proved to be their final. After 2005 they certainly faded. 1n 1999 ( I think) they probably had the beating of Meath to some exten but were naive and lacked composure. Did they lose another All-I semi just before that?
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Post by donegalman on Dec 18, 2014 23:18:02 GMT
We will agree to disagree Annascaul. I thought they were a very dogged and hard team. They threw away the all ireland in 1998. Closer to the present, they were denied by down in 2010 in a game they could have won to get to the final. They were very unlucky to lose to us in 2011, I think that there was a few other games that they came up short in, by the skin of their teeth actually. I am not sure they were overrated, anyone who beat them used to have to pull out all the stops.
Mr Rashers, I think that u are spot on about armagh in 2005, that game was armaghs until tyrone scored 2 late points to pip them. Some game. 2003 i would disagree with you, I think that tyrone should have beaten them by more than 3 points in the final. I was abroad in 2000, and missed the armagh v kerry games, but remember being amazed that it went to a replay. One thing is for sure, they won one all ireland, and that should be sufficient for a player from a team who never won it before. But most people from inside counties think they are better than they actually are!
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Post by fitz on Dec 19, 2014 10:30:23 GMT
Reading about Armagh in the early 00s, I would say they deserved an all ireland, but 9 is pushing it beyond belief. 2004 was a weird one for them, it was the only year they were beaten by a team that didnt win the all ireland (Fermanagh). We used to absolutely hate playing them, they always gave us a beating. 2004 and 2005 were the worst - they were very good footballers but were very very tough in the tackle as well. 2005 was the year they should have made the final, perhaps 2004 as well. I was at the match in 2006 between kerry and armagh, it was on after the donegal cork game and made it look like a minor match. Was a great battle. you have to say that they definitely took something to a big game with them, and were probably the no. 3 team of the era. They were better than the cork team of the mid to late 00's because of the teams they beat on the road, but that is my opinion (you could argue there was little or nothing in it between them). Why McNulty is saying this is strange. I would say that he has regrets, but thats life, there are very many footballers around the country, (particularly in mayo and kildare) who have never won an all ireland and were good enough to win one on a given day or season, but fate conspired against them. Armagh were a great team but weren't a mighty one. D'man, Kerry game was first that day. I remember from the calm of a couple of relaxing gatts afterwards whilst Cork/Donegal played
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Post by fitz on Dec 19, 2014 10:39:05 GMT
No-one commented I think so far on this but it was Enda himself who played key parts in scuppering Armagh in 04 and 06. A lazy forearm to Colm Brewster's jaw saw him bathing early against Fermanagh, who incidentally kicked the winning point. In 06 Dazzy had just come off the bench, intercepted and subsequently buried a hospital special from none other than Enda his good self. I'd say his teammates upon reading his interview after much eye rolling and expletives that maybe they could have got 2 more...
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Post by donegalman on Dec 19, 2014 12:01:40 GMT
Of course fitzwop u are right, I forgot we were on second that day. Not the same game as the curtain raiser, we were unlucky not to beat cork but didnt deserve to either. Back to the topic though, if Armagh were good enough to win more than one all ireland never mind 9 in those years, then you have to audit their performances against fermanagh and wexford in 2008. Both teams put Armagh out, and that is not good enough for a great team, who should have won a number of all irelands. They were very very good for sure but not brilliant.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Dec 19, 2014 12:03:53 GMT
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Dec 19, 2014 14:32:46 GMT
Yeah that's what I thought, newspapers always go with the suggestive/drama headline! In any event didn't Armagh win something like 8 or 9 Ulsters in that era? With Ulster being so strong then, it was indeed a poor return for them in terms of All-Is, more so than Dublin's return of zilch after winning Leinster 6 times in a similar period. Givebn that Leinster was easier to win
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 11:07:25 GMT
He did say that Kerry and Tyrone were weaker teams however.
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Post by donegalman on Dec 20, 2014 12:01:52 GMT
armagh beat kerry x1, lostx2 and drew x1 armagh beat tyronex3, lostx3 and drew x1
in the knock out stages of the competition, tyrone beat armagh twice, with armagh beating tyrone once in 2000 at the same stage (ulster before the back door).
Very close record.
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Post by Mickmack on Dec 20, 2014 12:06:45 GMT
In that period Armagh came out to play every year. Tyrone came out to play every third year. Tyrones strategy delivered three All Irelands
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Dec 20, 2014 12:39:56 GMT
armagh beat kerry x1, lostx2 and drew x1 armagh beat tyronex3, lostx3 and drew x1 in the knock out stages of the competition, tyrone beat armagh twice, with armagh beating tyrone once in 2000 at the same stage (ulster before the back door). Very close record. I understand the argument that you're trying to make but all that matters is Tyrone have 3 and Armagh have 1. Sure Cork beat us 3 out of 4 years in the late 00's Munster Championship
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Post by donegalman on Dec 20, 2014 14:04:04 GMT
yes kerrybhoy, I agree, not trying to galvanize an argument in favor of Enda McNulty at all, just giving some more perspective on the topic by adding records of head to heads etc. u r right, it matters not when it comes down to august in terms of who beat who before it.
I would say to Mickmack that tyrone did try to play their full hand every year, in 2004 they had a serious blow in terms of McInallen. I think 2007 was the year that they mysteriously didnt perform, 2006 they were absolutely riddled with injuries, from their own club competitions. They used to knock lumps out of each other in their leagues, we used to hear all the stories and gossip across the border about fights, injuries and suspensions. Very interesting era in the championship to look back on. I think you can take positives and negatives from the back door in terms of second chances and seeing the very best teams rally, or the other side of the coin..
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Post by Mickmack on Dec 21, 2014 22:58:50 GMT
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Post by sullyschoice on Jan 4, 2015 17:36:36 GMT
Good to see that the Kerry team took in a bit of Cricket on their trip to South Africa.
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Post by givehimaball on Jan 5, 2015 13:45:29 GMT
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 5, 2015 21:05:53 GMT
Conor Gormley retires and will always be remembered for that block on Stevie McDonnell
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jan 6, 2015 17:05:44 GMT
Conor Gormley was a class player and a great warrior and leader for Tyrone. He was also quite a bowsy and a scut on the field. Tyrone's lack of success at senior level from the oft-touted "conveyor belt of talent" is a salient reminder to all counties that the formula for senior success is not an easily achieved one.
Good to see that counties who commented about other counties having "unfair advantages" in financial terms are celebrating their teams/squads going away on extravagant trips still in this time of financial struggle.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jan 6, 2015 17:59:15 GMT
I'd to see that counties who commented about other counties having "unfair advantages" in financial terms are celebrating their teams/squads going away on extravagant trips still in this time of financial struggle. KCC showed a healthy surplus this year.
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Post by seamo on Jan 6, 2015 18:14:15 GMT
Conor Gormley was a class player and a great warrior and leader for Tyrone. He was also quite a bowsy and a scut on the field. Tyrone's lack of success at senior level from the oft-touted "conveyor belt of talent" is a salient reminder to all counties that the formula for senior success is not an easily achieved one. Good to see that counties who commented about other counties having "unfair advantages" in financial terms are celebrating their teams/squads going away on extravagant trips still in this time of financial struggle. A tad immature and no doubt off the point which said commentators had made. With success on the field comes financial success, from what I recall people were annexed about it being the other way around in Dublin. Not my battle, but very petty for you to begrudge the AI champions an end of season holiday, I can confidently say Dublin heading away as AI winners on a holiday was never criticised here.
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 6, 2015 18:28:46 GMT
Kerrys win in 2014 was an aberration. Dublin will dominate the rest of the decade at all levels in football, at club and county level.
Splitting up Dublin into North, South, East and West has to happen to try to level things up and also provide an inter county outlet for footballers in Dublin.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jan 6, 2015 18:30:22 GMT
Kerrys win in 2014 was an aberration. Dublin will dominate the rest of the decade at all levels in football, at club and county level. Splitting up Dublin into North, South, East and West has to happen to try to level things up and also provide an inter county outlet for footballers in Dublin. I presume you are being facetious.
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