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Post by givehimaball on Nov 23, 2014 21:04:26 GMT
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Post by seamo on Nov 23, 2014 21:40:15 GMT
A little hypocritical on the George Hook criticism boys. You won't criticise him for saying rugby is the best because everyone is entitled to bat for their own sport....but yet they are not entitled to justify their opinions?!!!!
There are plenty a GAA pundit and fan (many of us here) who are guilty of making similar claims of GAA. He was batting for his own sport, he didn't take a shot at anyone else's sport.
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Post by donegalman on Nov 23, 2014 22:45:54 GMT
A little hypocritical on the George Hook criticism boys. You won't criticise him for saying rugby is the best because everyone is entitled to bat for their own sport....but yet they are not entitled to justify their opinions?!!!! There are plenty a GAA pundit and fan (many of us here) who are guilty of making similar claims of GAA. He was batting for his own sport, he didn't take a shot at anyone else's sport. I would agree, especially the fact that Ireland had beaten both south africa and austrailia both within a week of each other. I am sure it would be one of the highlights of his career as a commentator or supporter in his lifetime.
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Post by veteran on Nov 23, 2014 22:46:20 GMT
A little hypocritical on the George Hook criticism boys. You won't criticise him for saying rugby is the best because everyone is entitled to bat for their own sport....but yet they are not entitled to justify their opinions?!!!! There are plenty a GAA pundit and fan (many of us here) who are guilty of making similar claims of GAA. He was batting for his own sport, he didn't take a shot at anyone else's sport. You miss the point sir. The reason he gives for his opinion is "the courage, commitment and character of men" My argument is that those traits are not found exclusively in rugby but are common to other sports and I gave as an example the Kerry/Mayo game in Limerick. If those human factors are found in other sports then it logically follows that you must cite other reasons to justify your claim that rugby is the best game on earth. No hypocrisy involved, merely an exercise in pointing out the fallacy of George's premise.
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Post by gamechanger10 on Nov 24, 2014 13:32:58 GMT
Can't say I like listening to Hook bladder on and on about "the greaatch game of rUUgby" his fellow panellists must be nervous they will fall into his mouth when he is in full flow. Quiet a few people think that the players are more desiplined than other sports and to be fair they do respect the decisions with more grace and professionalism than many other sports. The one observation that I would make though is that for the most part when the referee spots an infringement and blows the whistle almost all the players have their heads stuck in a ruck or a scrum or they are concentrating on maintaining a defensive or attacking line. The players are not in a position to argue as most of the fouls are of a very technical nature and basically nobody is in a position to argue because it simply isn't apparent to the other field players. The referee is always explaining to the players in his proximity what the infringement was for and they just accept this because they are not in a position to argue. In most other sports the fouls are open to the interpretation of all that witness them, in the stands and terraces people applaud or booh to indicate their opinion. The players become frustrated with inconsistencies or over fussy decisions, this in turn often leads to tetchyness and lack of focus on the field of play and all too often people are talking about the referee rather than the game when the final whistle blows. Personally I think that referees should be wired for sound and like many field sports call the infringement out so all present can be informed of the nature of the foul, costly I know but I think it would result in better refereing and less hostility from players and indeed the fans. It should be trialled in Mayo, if it works there it will work ten times better in every other county !!
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Nov 24, 2014 14:54:53 GMT
I really, really enjoy listening to G Hook both on radio and on TV; but half the enjoyment is hearing what outlandish opinion he is going to voice next.
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Post by seamo on Nov 24, 2014 21:04:41 GMT
A little hypocritical on the George Hook criticism boys. You won't criticise him for saying rugby is the best because everyone is entitled to bat for their own sport....but yet they are not entitled to justify their opinions?!!!! There are plenty a GAA pundit and fan (many of us here) who are guilty of making similar claims of GAA. He was batting for his own sport, he didn't take a shot at anyone else's sport. You miss the point sir. The reason he gives for his opinion is "the courage, commitment and character of men" My argument is that those traits are not found exclusively in rugby but are common to other sports and I gave as an example the Kerry/Mayo game in Limerick. If those human factors are found in other sports then it logically follows that you must cite other reasons to justify your claim that rugby is the best game on earth. No hypocrisy involved, merely an exercise in pointing out the fallacy of George's premise. Veteran your hypocrisy lays in the fact that you won't criticise a guy for batting for his own sport, yet you will for his justifications...even though he didn't demean any other sport! Your argument that "the courage, commitment and character of men" is not exclusive to Rugby is a fine one, and Kerry v Mayo is a good example. But Hook was caught up in the emotion of a great achievement and got carried away expressing his feelings for his own sport WITHOUT KNOCKING ANY OTHER SPORT!! Nothing at all wrong with that, plenty a GAA fan has taken pot-shots at soccer, but there are plenty an honest, committed, sporting players/managers who have graced the sport of soccer. Let the guy sing the praises of his sport, especially when he isn't downgrading other sports to do so.
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Post by veteran on Nov 24, 2014 22:19:59 GMT
You miss the point sir. The reason he gives for his opinion is "the courage, commitment and character of men" My argument is that those traits are not found exclusively in rugby but are common to other sports and I gave as an example the Kerry/Mayo game in Limerick. If those human factors are found in other sports then it logically follows that you must cite other reasons to justify your claim that rugby is the best game on earth. No hypocrisy involved, merely an exercise in pointing out the fallacy of George's premise. Veteran your hypocrisy lays in the fact that you won't criticise a guy for batting for his own sport, yet you will for his justifications...even though he didn't demean any other sport! Your argument that "the courage, commitment and character of men" is not exclusive to Rugby is a fine one, and Kerry v Mayo is a good example. But Hook was caught up in the emotion of a great achievement and got carried away expressing his feelings for his own sport WITHOUT KNOCKING ANY OTHER SPORT!! Nothing at all wrong with that, plenty a GAA fan has taken pot-shots at soccer, but there are plenty an honest, committed, sporting players/managers who have graced the sport of soccer. Let the guy sing the praises of his sport, especially when he isn't downgrading other sports to do so. Are you suggesting that if somebody expresses an opinion and if he advances reasons for expressing that opinion one should not challenge that particular point of view even if its basis are self evidently fallacious. It clearly is self evidently fallacious if one suggests that rugby is the best game on earth because of the courage, commitment and character of men if those characteristics are apparent in other sports as well. Now, one can make a case for rugby being the best game on earth but that contention needs to be supported by reasons other than those cited by George. So here is my question for you. Do you agree that the characteristics of men outlined by George, which he advances for saying that rugby is the best game on earth, are displayed in football, hurling, soccer etc? If you do agree, then you are supporting my argument and invalidating George's. The fact that he was carried by the emotion of the occasion, or the fact that he is entitled to sing the praises of his sport or the fact that GAA fans take pot shots at other sports are merely red herrings which, like all red herrings, muddy the waters and have nothing to do with the essence of my disagreement with George. Now, perhaps you agree with George that rugby is the best game on earth because of the courage, commitment and character of men. If so, I look forward to your justification for that claim and you may, indeed, succeed where George failed. One final point. You say that George "didn't demean any other sport". Think about that. If you think enough about it you may agree that indirectly he did, even though it may not have been his intention. Hypocrisy? I can detect no evidence unless of course you are prepared allow somebody make a statement which they cannot substantiate.
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 24, 2014 22:20:49 GMT
Mary Hannigan writes a column in the Irish times where she reviews sport on TV. In todays paper he calls George Hook a "troll" for the comment that Veteran took exception to. She takes issue with the word MEN. She cites Niamh Briggs, Briege Corkery, Stephanie Roche and Nikki Symmons.
She quotes George as saying "What makes rugby the greatest game played on earth is that unlike Gaelic football or soccer or hockey or American football, at the end of it, it relies on the courage, character and commitment of men.
If that's correct (and I have it taped and I will watch it tomorrow night), then Mr Hook was putting down other sports while talking up his own.
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 24, 2014 22:47:31 GMT
The same George that predicted that Ireland would lose to both South Africa and Australia in his pre match analysis. George is obviously on the very top of his game.
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Post by donegalman on Nov 24, 2014 23:02:36 GMT
Veteran, you are a good debtor.
I think that George is of course being too absolute in his judgement. There is passion and skill in GAA to equal it, and when you factor in the amateur rewards rather than the monetary rewards, I would put GAA, both football and hurling ahead of rugby for this reason. But for sportsmanship, I am afraid we are behind them. I dont mean that there are very good sportsmen playing our game, but there is total respect for officials in rugby and there is limited respect in gaa. This may be wandering off the point a bit, but it is something that I have been aware of for a while now. Every year, you will read about a player getting 9 months suspension for attacking a player or official, or a case where a game was abandoned or play suspended for a while due to thuggery on the pitch. The gardai had to be called to a county final in meath 4 years ago and separate players and teams. This wouldnt happen in rugby and their attitude and respect for law is something we should aspire to.
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Post by seamo on Nov 24, 2014 23:47:23 GMT
Veteran your hypocrisy lays in the fact that you won't criticise a guy for batting for his own sport, yet you will for his justifications...even though he didn't demean any other sport! Your argument that "the courage, commitment and character of men" is not exclusive to Rugby is a fine one, and Kerry v Mayo is a good example. But Hook was caught up in the emotion of a great achievement and got carried away expressing his feelings for his own sport WITHOUT KNOCKING ANY OTHER SPORT!! Nothing at all wrong with that, plenty a GAA fan has taken pot-shots at soccer, but there are plenty an honest, committed, sporting players/managers who have graced the sport of soccer. Let the guy sing the praises of his sport, especially when he isn't downgrading other sports to do so. Are you suggesting that if somebody expresses an opinion and if he advances reasons for expressing that opinion one should not challenge that particular point of view even if its basis are self evidently fallacious. It clearly is self evidently fallacious if one suggests that rugby is the best game on earth because of the courage, commitment and character of men if those characteristics are apparent in other sports as well. Now, one can make a case for rugby being the best game on earth but that contention needs to be supported by reasons other than those cited by George. So here is my question for you. Do you agree that the characteristics of men outlined by George, which he advances for saying that rugby is the best game on earth, are displayed in football, hurling, soccer etc? If you do agree, then you are supporting my argument and invalidating George's. The fact that he was carried by the emotion of the occasion, or the fact that he is entitled to sing the praises of his sport or the fact that GAA fans take pot shots at other sports are merely red herrings which, like all red herrings, muddy the waters and have nothing to do with the essence of my disagreement with George. Now, perhaps you agree with George that rugby is the best game on earth because of the courage, commitment and character of men. If so, I look forward to your justification for that claim and you may, indeed, succeed where George failed. One final point. You say that George "didn't demean any other sport". Think about that. If you think enough about it you may agree that indirectly he did, even though it may not have been his intention. Hypocrisy? I can detect no evidence unless of course you are prepared allow somebody make a statement which they cannot substantiate. There not red herrings at all, it was you who said the man is entitled to bat for his own sport and then you rip everything he says in praising his sport, which is it Veteren? Or is he not actually entitled to his opinions? Particularly when his opinions were clearly meant in good faith celebrating a great sporting achievement. I don't agree with George that Rugby is the best sport, but I'm also not narrow minded when it comes to praising/critiquing sports, they all have their drawbacks. I'm not a fan of George, he has his entertainment value, but their is only so much of him I can listen to. But rather than hone in on one 2 minute burst of affection for his sport as you and some narrow minded journalist have chosen to do, it should be noted that George has in the past gone over board in his appraisal of the Irish cricket team...and wait for it...the Irish women's rugby team ! What this really boils down to is not whether George was right or wrong, because in truth it's sport and if you can't go a little overboard in being positive about your sport than ba-humbug. Rather the issue is you and others being over-sensitive and reading far far too much into his comments. Joe Brolly often preaches the greatness of GAA (which he is entitled to do, see I'm being unbiased ) and yet refers directly to other sports in doing so, therefore demeaning them. Yet I hear few complain about that, where's the consistency from you Veteran? Don't be so sensitive, be secure in the "greatness"/ranking of your own sport and just try at least to enjoy the achievements of other sports. Merry xmas! I'm off to enjoy what was a great weekend for Irish sport, next weekend I'll turn my attentions back to GAA.
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Post by veteran on Nov 25, 2014 19:30:57 GMT
Are you suggesting that if somebody expresses an opinion and if he advances reasons for expressing that opinion one should not challenge that particular point of view even if its basis are self evidently fallacious. It clearly is self evidently fallacious if one suggests that rugby is the best game on earth because of the courage, commitment and character of men if those characteristics are apparent in other sports as well. Now, one can make a case for rugby being the best game on earth but that contention needs to be supported by reasons other than those cited by George. So here is my question for you. Do you agree that the characteristics of men outlined by George, which he advances for saying that rugby is the best game on earth, are displayed in football, hurling, soccer etc? If you do agree, then you are supporting my argument and invalidating George's. The fact that he was carried by the emotion of the occasion, or the fact that he is entitled to sing the praises of his sport or the fact that GAA fans take pot shots at other sports are merely red herrings which, like all red herrings, muddy the waters and have nothing to do with the essence of my disagreement with George. Now, perhaps you agree with George that rugby is the best game on earth because of the courage, commitment and character of men. If so, I look forward to your justification for that claim and you may, indeed, succeed where George failed. One final point. You say that George "didn't demean any other sport". Think about that. If you think enough about it you may agree that indirectly he did, even though it may not have been his intention. Hypocrisy? I can detect no evidence unless of course you are prepared allow somebody make a statement which they cannot substantiate. There not red herrings at all, it was you who said the man is entitled to bat for his own sport and then you rip everything he says in praising his sport, which is it Veteren? Or is he not actually entitled to his opinions? Particularly when his opinions were clearly meant in good faith celebrating a great sporting achievement. I don't agree with George that Rugby is the best sport, but I'm also not narrow minded when it comes to praising/critiquing sports, they all have their drawbacks. I'm not a fan of George, he has his entertainment value, but their is only so much of him I can listen to. But rather than hone in on one 2 minute burst of affection for his sport as you and some narrow minded journalist have chosen to do, it should be noted that George has in the past gone over board in his appraisal of the Irish cricket team...and wait for it...the Irish women's rugby team ! What this really boils down to is not whether George was right or wrong, because in truth it's sport and if you can't go a little overboard in being positive about your sport than ba-humbug. Rather the issue is you and others being over-sensitive and reading far far too much into his comments. Joe Brolly often preaches the greatness of GAA (which he is entitled to do, see I'm being unbiased ) and yet refers directly to other sports in doing so, therefore demeaning them. Yet I hear few complain about that, where's the consistency from you Veteran? Don't be so sensitive, be secure in the "greatness"/ranking of your own sport and just try at least to enjoy the achievements of other sports. Merry xmas! I'm off to enjoy what was a great weekend for Irish sport, next weekend I'll turn my attentions back to GAA. I posed you a question in the second paragraph of my last post and rather than answering it you take off on another red herring safari. That question, and nothing else, captures in its entirety the nub of my disagreement with George. Address it or move on to another topic.
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Post by Jigz84 on Nov 26, 2014 12:24:30 GMT
Anthony Tohill made his first appearance on TV since his accident on Second Captains Live last week. While it's great to see him fully recovered I hope this doesn't signal his return to punditry on The Sunday Game .....
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Post by themanhimself on Nov 26, 2014 13:20:34 GMT
James Mike O'Sullivan to take over Glenbeigh/Glencar?? Rumour mill starting up again?
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Post by seamo on Nov 26, 2014 17:46:48 GMT
There not red herrings at all, it was you who said the man is entitled to bat for his own sport and then you rip everything he says in praising his sport, which is it Veteren? Or is he not actually entitled to his opinions? Particularly when his opinions were clearly meant in good faith celebrating a great sporting achievement. I don't agree with George that Rugby is the best sport, but I'm also not narrow minded when it comes to praising/critiquing sports, they all have their drawbacks. I'm not a fan of George, he has his entertainment value, but their is only so much of him I can listen to. But rather than hone in on one 2 minute burst of affection for his sport as you and some narrow minded journalist have chosen to do, it should be noted that George has in the past gone over board in his appraisal of the Irish cricket team...and wait for it...the Irish women's rugby team ! What this really boils down to is not whether George was right or wrong, because in truth it's sport and if you can't go a little overboard in being positive about your sport than ba-humbug. Rather the issue is you and others being over-sensitive and reading far far too much into his comments. Joe Brolly often preaches the greatness of GAA (which he is entitled to do, see I'm being unbiased ) and yet refers directly to other sports in doing so, therefore demeaning them. Yet I hear few complain about that, where's the consistency from you Veteran? Don't be so sensitive, be secure in the "greatness"/ranking of your own sport and just try at least to enjoy the achievements of other sports. Merry xmas! I'm off to enjoy what was a great weekend for Irish sport, next weekend I'll turn my attentions back to GAA. I posed you a question in the second paragraph of my last post and rather than answering it you take off on another red herring safari. That question, and nothing else, captures in its entirety the nub of my disagreement with George. Address it or move on to another topic. :DA question in the second paragraph?!!! haha Now your presuming I hang to every word of your regular diatribes! Veteran you've been over-sensitive to someone's positive comments on his own sport, it's a typical feature of this time of year, silly season. But rather than continue your self-righteous preaching here, why not take to your pen and paper and right George, RTE or whomever a letter of complaint and demand an apology. See what kind of response you get then! And I won't be reading "the second paragraph" never mind answering some question in there, because to be honest I can't be arsed! This is George's fight to fight, so take it to him or pipe down! I'm off to watch the greatest game on earth...rugby!
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Post by veteran on Nov 26, 2014 21:02:45 GMT
I posed you a question in the second paragraph of my last post and rather than answering it you take off on another red herring safari. That question, and nothing else, captures in its entirety the nub of my disagreement with George. Address it or move on to another topic. :DA question in the second paragraph?!!! haha Now your presuming I hang to every word of your regular diatribes! Veteran you've been over-sensitive to someone's positive comments on his own sport, it's a typical feature of this time of year, silly season. But rather than continue your self-righteous preaching here, why not take to your pen and paper and right George, RTE or whomever a letter of complaint and demand an apology. See what kind of response you get then! And I won't be reading "the second paragraph" never mind answering some question in there, because to be honest I can't be arsed! This is George's fight to fight, so take it to him or pipe down! I'm off to watch the greatest game on earth...rugby! I have no doubt you have read and reread that paragraph containing my question. You have shamelessly run a mile from it hoping that George would come to your rescue. Never get involved in a fight in which you cannot manly participate.
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Post by southward on Nov 26, 2014 21:31:30 GMT
Got my AI DVD in the post today. Includes full Kerry/Mayo replay (yesss!) and AI Final. Also highlights of all Kerry championship games and highlights of provincial finals. €15 plus €2 postage. Happy bunny
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Post by falveyb2k on Nov 26, 2014 22:06:32 GMT
Excellent, on Sunday along with the launch of the new jersey there's a dvd called chasing sam being released. Have we a behind the scenes account of the year? Would be a nice treat!!!!!!
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 26, 2014 23:28:09 GMT
Game set and match to Veteran! lol !!!
Southward... where did you order the DVD from?
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Post by falveyb2k on Nov 26, 2014 23:55:07 GMT
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Post by G_S_J on Nov 27, 2014 10:41:50 GMT
Anyone eyeing up a few autobiographies this Christmas? I think I'll pick up the Anthony Daly book, Iv always found him one of the most candid and engaging characters in the GAA. I was glued to radio some evening last week when he was on promoting it, he's always a great man to listen to. Judging by the way he was talking he opens up a lot about his childhood growing up without a father, so hopefully the book gives more than most GAA autobiographies which more often than not are dreadful.
Pity about the title name though 'Dalo' *cringe
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Post by fitz on Nov 27, 2014 10:49:04 GMT
I watched a recording of the rugby last night after missing it live through being delayed in Ballylongford for the North Kerry game. It was a wonderful game displaying all the best aspects of rugby. However, this is not a rugby thread and therefore I am not going to elaborate any further on the game but rather comment on something George Hook said. Naturally, Goerge and friends were delighted with the quality of rugby and ,of course, with the result. During the euphoria, George said that rugby was " the greatest game on earth". I have no problem with that statement. Thinking your particular code is the best is one of the reasons you became an aficionado in the first place. However, Goerge went on to explain why he felt rugby was the best field game . The reason why rugby is the best game is because it displayed the "courage, commitment and character of men". Shaky ground, surely, for suggesting your game is the best there is. The inference here is that rugby is the only game which presents these characteristics for our delectation. George, is there any chance you saw, for example, the Kerry/Mayo game in Limerick last August? If you did, did you you notice the the courage, commitment and character of men? All this by men merely pursuing their hobby! As Rashers and his fellow Dubs might say, "get up the yard, George" George is entertaining at times but full of his own importance. He almost takes badge of honor status when regularly stating how poor a husband and father he was in the early years of both. He does a medical slot with Ciara Kelly on Mon evening on his show. Last Monday she could hardly get a word in, the honorary doctorate bestowed upon him by his inner master lording it over her. His black and white approach to lots of things irks me. He loves trotting out his World war anecdotes to again show off. An exclamation that rugby is the greatest game on earth is symptomatic of all above examples. For all that again his shows at least hold interest and I do like his "hold a while" phrase. See I can do balance
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Post by southward on Nov 27, 2014 17:21:09 GMT
Got my AI DVD in the post today. Includes full Kerry/Mayo replay (yesss!) and AI Final. Also highlights of all Kerry championship games and highlights of provincial finals. €15 plus €2 postage. Happy bunny Also has highlights of the other Q/Fs and S/Fs, and of the Minor final. Which seems pretty good value, though I've not played it yet.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 17:48:49 GMT
Got my AI DVD in the post today. Includes full Kerry/Mayo replay (yesss!) and AI Final. Also highlights of all Kerry championship games and highlights of provincial finals. €15 plus €2 postage. Happy bunny Also has highlights of the other Q/Fs and S/Fs, and of the Minor final. Which seems pretty good value, though I've not played it yet. Just wondering what website or whatever did you get it from ?
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Post by southward on Nov 27, 2014 19:13:57 GMT
Also has highlights of the other Q/Fs and S/Fs, and of the Minor final. Which seems pretty good value, though I've not played it yet. Just wondering what website or whatever did you get it from ? www.dvdsales.ie. Might be in Supervalu by now too.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 21:28:49 GMT
Thank you
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Post by glengael on Nov 28, 2014 12:34:46 GMT
He is some man for one one young man!
O'Donoghue ‘playing last game every game’
Footballer of the Year James O’Donoghue has revealed his shoulder injury was so severe, it was close to finishing his season in every one of the four Championship games he played for Kerry this summer.
Speaking before heading off to Boston with the Opel GAA-GPA All Stars yesterday, the 24-year-old admitted he damaged it in every match and also admitted his training was seriously curtailed because of the problem.
He incurred an AC (acromioclavicular joint) injury two weeks prior to the Munster semi-final against Clare. Although he missed that game, he started the remainder of Kerry’s matches. Despite dislocating it in the All-Ireland quarter-final against Galway, the Kerry medical team managed to push it back in.
“I knew that I was lucky because if I had dislocated it properly again I was out, like. It sounds completely clichéd and terrible but I was actually playing my last game every game, that kind of way. That’s honestly how I felt.
“Deep down, it probably did (drive O’Donoghue) because it could be your last ball, like. ”
On many occasions, O’Donoghue was convincing himself he was okay to play when he might not have been. “I suppose if you tell yourself you’re 100%, you probably are! I didn’t train at all for a lot of the stages. A good bit of rest — I was nice and fresh!”
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O’Donoghue anticipates he’ll be back in action in the latter half of May or early June. He has no concerns about not making the start of the Championship, a Munster semi-final against Waterford or Tipperary, having had the operation in Santry’s Sports Clinic earlier this month.
“They say six months, and I was up with the surgeon last Monday — he said maybe we’ll take a few weeks off that. There’s no pain or anything. I’ll be back in plenty of time for championship anyway.”
He joked about the regularity of his shoulder issues. “I have a gangly walk and my arms are all over the place, I’d say it just unsettles everything. So, since I was young, I kept dislocating my left one. But that’s sorted now.”
Having done his left shoulder on two occasions, O’Donoghue doesn’t have the same hang-ups now. “I was lucky because of my other hand; that I just knew the gig with it. That mental side of it wasn’t really too big for me, whereas if it was two years previous with this (left) arm … I was useless! I couldn’t function at all. So maybe that bit of experience was good.”
O’Donoghue turned down an invite to an International Rules trial while he had planned to have the operation shortly after the county final in case Legion reached it.
“I had the operation booked in for the week after the final of the county championship, so I was very optimistic! And I said if we got to the final, that I’d miss the Munster club, even if we won. We weren’t going to win anyway, we were a bit short this year. Then we had a few more club games that I missed. It worked out handy enough.”
Gooch and Walsh will ‘freshen’ Kingdom squad
By John Fogarty
It’s not that James O’Donoghue wants to put too much pressure on Tommy Walsh — but he’s expecting fireworks when the 2008 young footballer of the year returns to Kerry colours in the new year.
With Walsh and Colm Cooper back from injury, Kerry shouldn’t miss shoulder injury victim O’Donoghue too much, even though the Legion man guided the Kingdom clear of the League relegation trap-doors this year.
“In my head, I think he’s going to be awesome but I don’t want to put any expectation on him. Just leave him settle in slowly and surely. I don’t know where they’ll play but they’ll be like two new signings who will freshen up the group. We’re lucky, really.”
There is plenty of misfortune, though, in losing a player of Declan O’Sullivan’s ilk at the relatively tender age of 30. The Dromid Pearses man mightn’t have been there for this year’s league campaign but when he came back into the fold for the Championship, O’Donoghue was astounded with his contribution.
“You would see Declan at every training session he has to really strap up his knees, he was probably in the physio room for half an hour before every session getting ready. He has a young family and things as well.
“But he is such a leader and that is what is going to be missed for Kerry. He has an aura about him. Everybody has this huge respect for him and he will be sorely missed, that’s for sure.”
But for O’Sullivan especially in the absence of Cooper, O’Donoghue is adamant Kerry wouldn’t have gone all the way. “No, definitely not. We had a shockingly young panel. Everybody was from my minor and U21 team I think and we had to add in that bit of experience with the older lads who have been there and done it all, seen it all.
“They were the ones driving it as well, usually you think the younger lads would be driving the group but the older lads were so hungry and mentally tuned in. They wanted one last crack.”
With more hype to follow him next year, O’Donoghue isn’t overly upset about the shoulder injury that will force him onto the sidelines for the Division 1 campaign.
“The league can be a hard slog because you’re going up to Donegal, Tyrone and Mayo and you can play poorly and next thing your confidence could be shot a bit. You could lose a game and you’re not going great.
“That was this year and it probably had a negative effect on us. I think I’ll miss all that, I’ll miss the hard slog and get the body right. Hopefully I’ll be right come Championship and that will take pressure off.”
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Post by seamo on Nov 30, 2014 18:55:35 GMT
:DA question in the second paragraph?!!! haha Now your presuming I hang to every word of your regular diatribes! Veteran you've been over-sensitive to someone's positive comments on his own sport, it's a typical feature of this time of year, silly season. But rather than continue your self-righteous preaching here, why not take to your pen and paper and right George, RTE or whomever a letter of complaint and demand an apology. See what kind of response you get then! And I won't be reading "the second paragraph" never mind answering some question in there, because to be honest I can't be arsed! This is George's fight to fight, so take it to him or pipe down! I'm off to watch the greatest game on earth...rugby! I have no doubt you have read and reread that paragraph containing my question. You have shamelessly run a mile from it hoping that George would come to your rescue. Never get involved in a fight in which you cannot manly participate. What are you rambling on about? "Never get involved in a fight in which you cannot manly participate" Your slagging off Hook on an internet forum!!! lol I engaged in a debate with you Veteran, you were trolling. You wanna be a man about it, and show us all how to "manly participate" in a debate, then challenge George on what he said. Ranting on a forum which he clearly doesn't and will likely never visit isn't "manly" participation! Damn you walked yourself right into that one I'll get back to you in a few days, after your next pompous reply
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Post by veteran on Nov 30, 2014 20:02:01 GMT
I have no doubt you have read and reread that paragraph containing my question. You have shamelessly run a mile from it hoping that George would come to your rescue. Never get involved in a fight in which you cannot manly participate. What are you rambling on about? "Never get involved in a fight in which you cannot manly participate" Your slagging off Hook on an internet forum!!! lol I engaged in a debate with you Veteran, you were trolling. You wanna be a man about it, and show us all how to "manly participate" in a debate, then challenge George on what he said. Ranting on a forum which he clearly doesn't and will likely never visit isn't "manly" participation! Damn you walked yourself right into that one I'll get back to you in a few days, after your next pompous reply It's merciful if George doesn't read this forum. He would be appalled at the ineptitude of his surrogate respondent.
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