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Post by givehimaball on Jan 29, 2015 0:23:25 GMT
Doesnt seem to be much knowledge on this years panel! Folks is getting old; or staying quiet (no point in letting the bookies know what the sitch really is) Both PCD and the Sem getting to the Munster semis is probably a good sign
That's before you go against the fact that Jack is over the minors again.
Stay schtum and say nawthin.....
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Post by kerrygold on Jan 31, 2015 11:13:01 GMT
How the Kingdom puts its senior citizens first
Mike Quirke listed the “popular misconceptions” surrounding Kerry football. They had no structure, no coaching and no talent coming through. The Kingdom was headed for a famine “worse than any potato blight”.
Sam Maguire may have returned south last September, but it was only a few short years ago Kerry were being told they were behind the curve.
Even last spring, Quirke points out, were they informed production lines had ground to a halt. A county beyond rescue.
Four-time All-Ireland medal-winner Quirke, along with Kilkenny coaching officer Brian Ryan, were the opening speakers at this month’s Games Development Conference in Croke Park — their presentation aptly titled ‘Special Ks: Behind the strength of Kerry and Kilkenny’. 700 grassroots members packed into the room to learn of the magic formula serving both counties so well.
The opening graph showed Kerry to have won more All-Ireland football titles than any other county in the last four 25-year periods.
“You wouldn’t think so if you were to listen to what was being said,” quipped the Kerry Games Development Administrator, Quirke.
Their problems were rooted in a failure to produce underage footballers “who could run 100 metres in five seconds, guys who were eating five chicken breasts, 12 eggs and a protein shake for breakfast.”
Development squads would prove a particular thorn in their side.
“We were getting lambasted for not producing big, huge animals that could jump over tall buildings. We re-evaluated our structure because we were coming under real pressure about the physicality of the game and how the players we were producing weren’t as physically imposing as these superhuman people emerging in other counties,” said the Kerins O’Rahillys clubman.
“In terms of our squads, we have real emphasis on regular fishing with a wide net. It is not a closed shop. If you miss out on the development squad at U14, that doesn’t mean that particular player will never play for Kerry.
“We are very conscious that every child has a different developmental rate, whether that be physically or emotionally.
“If you are talking about taking a kid in at U14 and that in four years’ time, he will be a Kerry minor and nobody else will be involved, then you’re not going to win a whole pile. The door must be kept open.”
Quirke believes a lot of counties lost sight of football’s core values, getting far too caught up in the strength and conditioning craze.
Not Kerry. Their view of the game remained long-term, their emphasis never wavered from developing the traditional skills of the game.
“We were talking about guys eating five chicken breasts, 12 eggs and a protein shake for breakfast — and then going into primary school third class. In Kerry, we didn’t buy into that stuff.
“We kept it to more body weight exercises, where we were preparing the players’ bodies for loaded weights when they were older and could cope with it. We were working on flexibility, core and injury prevention. It was not about getting bigger or faster, it was about preparing their bodies for when they are older. Bilateral coordination, being able to move off both feet. Being able to catch, hand-pass and kick off both legs. All that kind of stuff.
“Games-based coaching is another buzz word, and without being smart, we are probably doing games-based coaching in Kerry since the beginning of time.
“People go up to Nowlan Park and watch Kilkenny training, I went up a couple of years ago. Brian Cody never blew his whistle once in the hour and a half they were on the field.
“Training is about playing the games. That is no secret. Training is not about standing around cones and watching others move in straight lines where there is no decision-making involved.
“Decision-making in a game situation is the only way you will improve a player.”
Having won seven All-Ireland crowns during their 20-year famine at minor level (1994-2014), Quirke says success has never been linear as far as Kerry were concerned.
“Joe Brolly’s article ‘The production line grounds to a halt in Kerry football factory’ was symptomatic of every article that was written about Kerry at the time. Every radio programme was about Kerry not winning an All-Ireland for the next 20 years. It was gone crazy the amount of negativity about the place. It was based on misconceptions. That is why Kieran Donaghy lost the plot.
“You can have success at senior level without winning minor. The key to it is that winning is a by-product of good development, that winning is not the end goal.
“If your goal is to win the U16 county championship, you are going to have less of a chance of that team winning at senior.
“In 2011, our U21 side were beaten by Cork. At the time, they weren’t as physically developed as they are now. But they were seen as one of the worst U21 teams that ever came out of the county. Between last year’s All-Ireland senior semi-final and final, nine of that team featured. This was the same team beaten by 22 points by Cork. Three years later, they were All Star recipients and James O’Donoghue was footballer of the year.
“I was talking about lads eating a shopping basket of chicken breasts in the morning. Take Paul Murphy. He didn’t win at minor. He was man of the match in the All-Ireland final and will have that jersey for as long as he wants.”
Quirke continued: “The Kerry medal presentation was on before Christmas. Eamonn Fitzmaurice congratulated the young lads on winning the minor All-Ireland, but reminded them it was a minor All-Ireland and how in Kerry you are judged by winning Sam Maguire. We hadn’t won a minor in 20 years and there was pandemonium in the county. But Fitzmaurice was still saying that while we are delighted for you, it is not the end goal.
“Senior success is the end goal.”
And above everything else, above games-based coaching, strength and conditioning and your shopping basket full of chicken breasts, it is tradition that fuels Kerry’s desire to mould correctly the next generation, tradition drives their unstinting desire to achieve further senior success.
“We had twin boys, about four years ago,” he said.
“The pair were four weeks old before we brought them home. We got home, and we were exhausted, scared. There was a knock on the door within 40 minutes of us arriving home.
“A lady arrived with two pairs of football boots, the two boys’ names on the boots, and two club jerseys.
“Two minutes later, a friend of mine arrived with two picture frames.
“Inside the frames were two betting slips saying ‘that Cameron Quirke won win an All-Ireland senior football medal with Kerry and that Ethan Quirke would win an All-Ireland senior football medal with Kerry’.
“‘Put them up on the wall,’ he says. “The frightening thing was the odds Paddy Power gave on the two boys winning All-Ireland senior medals with Kerry was 10/1.
“‘It’s not the Gooch’s’ kids,’ I said. “But that is the tradition in Kerry, they are being groomed from four weeks of age.”
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 31, 2015 12:17:56 GMT
Joe Brolly was just rehashing what Pat Spillane and lots of posters on this forum were saying; Kerrys lack at minor and u21 was a doomsday scenario. Its too easy to blame JB the whole time. I wonder did the conference referred to in the article on the Special Ks talk about the fact that Kilkenny and Kerry don't lose players to the other code and are not too bothered about growing the other code. In other words, KK specialise in hurling and Kerry do likewise in football. Look at how hard it is for Cuthbert to lose his best players to hurling.
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Post by Control5 on Jan 31, 2015 14:45:23 GMT
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Post by crokes86 on Feb 1, 2015 3:25:24 GMT
Anyone have a Panel ? my team would be 1 Eoin O'Brien (Churchill) 2 Gavin White (Dr.Crokes) 3 Jason Foley (Ballydonoghue) 4 John M. Foley (Kilgarvan) 5 Jack Morgan (Austin Stacks) 6 Andrew Barry (Na Gaeil) 7 Aidan O'Connor (Dingle) 8 Mark O'Connor (Dingle) 9 Mark Sugrue (Renard) 10 Darragh Sheehy (Ballydonoghue) 11 Brian O'Seanachain (Ballydonoghue) 12 Conor Geaney (Dingle) 13 David Clifford (Fossa) 14 Stephen O'Sullivan (Templenoe) 15 Evan Cronin (Spa) . Subs 16 Sub Keeper Ray O'Shea (Kenmare) 17 Michael O'Donnell (Austin Stacks) 18 Jack Foley (Ballydonoghue) 19 Daniel O'Brien (Glenflesk) 20 Adam O'Dwyer (Waterville) 21 David Roche (Milltown/Castlemaine) 22 Billy Courtney (Dr.Crokes) 23 Garret Brosnan (Dingle) 24 Cian O'Murchu (An Ghaeltacht) 25 DJ Murphy (Gneeveguilla) 26 JJ Herlihy (Gneeveguilla) .
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Post by seamo on Feb 2, 2015 13:10:10 GMT
Joe Brolly was just rehashing what Pat Spillane and lots of posters on this forum were saying; Kerrys lack at minor and u21 was a doomsday scenario. Its too easy to blame JB the whole time. I wonder did the conference referred to in the article on the Special Ks talk about the fact that Kilkenny and Kerry don't lose players to the other code and are not too bothered about growing the other code. In other words, KK specialise in hurling and Kerry do likewise in football. Look at how hard it is for Cuthbert to lose his best players to hurling. It's not like Tyrone, Armagh, Mayo, Donegal do much more to promote hurling. And Dublin given their population can be lumped in with those also. It's all relative to population in fairness. Kilkenny should be doing more to promote football, but it's all relative to population when comparing counties.
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Post by seamo on Feb 2, 2015 13:13:59 GMT
I do love what Quirke has said, seems like it was mainly a case of Kilkenny and ourselves saying to the rest "fu$k ye" we won again!!! haha
Yeah Brolly ain't the only one. What he said was likely just a case of him picking up any stick he could find to beat Kerry with, doubt he put much thought or research into it.
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Post by dashboard on Feb 2, 2015 15:26:35 GMT
Anyone have a Panel ? my team would be 1 Eoin O'Brien (Churchill) 2 Gavin White (Dr.Crokes) 3 Jason Foley (Ballydonoghue) 4 John M. Foley (Kilgarvan) 5 Jack Morgan (Austin Stacks) 6 Andrew Barry (Na Gaeil) 7 Aidan O'Connor (Dingle) 8 Mark O'Connor (Dingle) 9 Mark Sugrue (Renard) 10 Darragh Sheehy (Ballydonoghue) 11 Brian O'Seanachain (Ballydonoghue) 12 Conor Geaney (Dingle) 13 David Clifford (Fossa) 14 Stephen O'Sullivan (Templenoe) 15 Evan Cronin (Spa) . Subs 16 Sub Keeper Ray O'Shea (Kenmare) 17 Michael O'Donnell (Austin Stacks) 18 Jack Foley (Ballydonoghue) 19 Daniel O'Brien (Glenflesk) 20 Adam O'Dwyer (Waterville) 21 David Roche (Milltown/Castlemaine) 22 Billy Courtney (Dr.Crokes) 23 Garret Brosnan (Dingle) 24 Cian O'Murchu (An Ghaeltacht) 25 DJ Murphy (Gneeveguilla) 26 JJ Herlihy (Gneeveguilla) .
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Post by dashboard on Feb 2, 2015 15:31:10 GMT
Anyone have a Panel ? my team would be 1 Eoin O'Brien (Churchill) 2 Gavin White (Dr.Crokes) 3 Jason Foley (Ballydonoghue) 4 John M. Foley (Kilgarvan) 5 Jack Morgan (Austin Stacks) 6 Andrew Barry (Na Gaeil) 7 Aidan O'Connor (Dingle) 8 Mark O'Connor (Dingle) 9 Mark Sugrue (Renard) 10 Darragh Sheehy (Ballydonoghue) 11 Brian O'Seanachain (Ballydonoghue) 12 Conor Geaney (Dingle) 13 David Clifford (Fossa) 14 Stephen O'Sullivan (Templenoe) 15 Evan Cronin (Spa) . Subs 16 Sub Keeper Ray O'Shea (Kenmare) 17 Michael O'Donnell (Austin Stacks) 18 Jack Foley (Ballydonoghue) 19 Daniel O'Brien (Glenflesk) 20 Adam O'Dwyer (Waterville) 21 David Roche (Milltown/Castlemaine) 22 Billy Courtney (Dr.Crokes) 23 Garret Brosnan (Dingle) 24 Cian O'Murchu (An Ghaeltacht) 25 DJ Murphy (Gneeveguilla) 26 JJ Herlihy (Gneeveguilla) .
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Post by dashboard on Feb 2, 2015 15:36:53 GMT
Not to sure about your team crokes 86 but you haven't got mike Breen Beaufort even on the panel find it hard to believe he won't be pushing hard for a place also ronan Buckley listry should be there or there abouts but how they do in the training with jack will decide that
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Post by crokes86 on Feb 2, 2015 17:38:37 GMT
I saw Mike Breen a couple of times and I wasn't that impressed . You are right though it depends on who does well in training and trial games and if he performs in them then he deserves his place .
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Post by legionary on Feb 2, 2015 23:03:02 GMT
His knowledge would appear very limited leaving our backs who are in contention for a starting place in Micheal Foley (ballydonoghue)Darren Brosnan (Gneeveguilla) Tom o Sullivan (dingle)David Roche(Milltown) and forwards such as Jack goulding(causeway)Brian Sweeney(listowel).
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Post by seamo on Feb 2, 2015 23:27:22 GMT
I conclude that yer all pissing in the wind!!!
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Post by crokes86 on Feb 2, 2015 23:37:05 GMT
some of them wont be near it what games have ye been watching .
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2015 3:09:04 GMT
Eoin O'Brien could be the Goalkeeper . Cormac Leane . Jack Morgan , Gavin White , Jason Foley , Andrew Barry , David Roche , Daniel O'Brien , David Naughton , Aidan O'Connor , Cian O'Murchu , DJ Murphy , Tom O'Sullivan , Darren Brosnan , Mike Breen all have a good chance of making the Panel in the backs . Mark O'Connor , Michael O'Donnell , Jack Daly , Billy Courtney , Darragh Sheehy are all good midfielders . Evan Cronin , David Clifford , Brian Shanahan , Jack Foley , Mike Foley , Conor Geaney , Stephen O'Sullivan , Diarmuid Keating , Jack Goulding , Adam O'Dwyer , Darren Casey all have a good chance of making the panel .
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Post by homerj on Feb 3, 2015 8:14:54 GMT
From talking to a ballydonoghhe man at last weekend's u-21 final , there's 4 of their lads on there at the moment, but surprisingly two of the lads who everybody has down as nailed on for the panel - Darragh Sheehy and Jack Foley, are not involved.
Maybe they will be called in after last Sunday but it's very strange that two of the top forwards around are not even on the extended panel.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2015 12:14:05 GMT
Very strange both are good . Ballydonoghue are very strong at minor level this they would have 8 or 9 very good players this year . I know there is a Kieran Lynch a forward he is a good player and Kieran O'Connell he plays at midfield . There is another guy Michael Foley he plays in the backs very good also he will definitely make it in 2016 . it has to be one of them .
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Post by greengold35 on Feb 3, 2015 13:32:28 GMT
Eoin O'Brien is no longer on the panel, David Clifford will not be allowed to play inter county minor as he is still U-16 ( ludicrous rule) , Michael O'Donnell is still injured and I don't think will be back for another while.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2015 13:35:58 GMT
Thats a crazy rule . He would definitely be on the panel .
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Post by seamo on Feb 3, 2015 15:07:08 GMT
Eoin O'Brien is no longer on the panel, David Clifford will not be allowed to play inter county minor as he is still U-16 ( ludicrous rule) , Michael O'Donnell is still injured and I don't think will be back for another while. That's a crazy rule . He would definitely be on the panel . It's a fantastic rule!! The GAA need more rules like it. Promote player welfare and club football. Mike Quirke said similar at that conference or whatever it was, stop being obsessed with underage success and let players develop. Why flog the guy, denying his club the ability to play him and risk losing him to injury burnout/ or never reaching is potential because of being overtrained/played.
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Post by Premier on Feb 3, 2015 20:28:26 GMT
Eoin O'Brien is no longer on the panel, David Clifford will not be allowed to play inter county minor as he is still U-16 ( ludicrous rule) , Michael O'Donnell is still injured and I don't think will be back for another while. When did this rule come in? I remember Paddy Curran played for Kerry minors at u16 in 2004.. Also remember Killian Spillane being asked for a trial when he was u16 only 3 years ago
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Post by greengold35 on Feb 3, 2015 22:46:33 GMT
Motion relating to U-16s not eligible for inter county minor competitions was passed at Congress in Feb 2014 and came into effect on 1st January this year.
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Post by onlykerry on Feb 4, 2015 20:48:29 GMT
Motion relating to U-16s not eligible for inter county minor competitions was passed at Congress in Feb 2014 and came into effect on 1st January this year. Was supposed to apply last year but as panels had been together in a number of counties they delayed implementation until the 2015 season.
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Post by onlykerry on Feb 4, 2015 20:52:49 GMT
2015 County Minor league kicks off on Frb 21 and the will give an opportunity to players to stake a claim for places.
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Post by homerj on Feb 4, 2015 22:20:00 GMT
2015 County Minor league kicks off on Frb 21 and the will give an opportunity to players to stake a claim for places. I'd say that the majority of the panel is already picked. Very few lads will come in from now on unless lads who are injured
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Post by themanhimself on Feb 10, 2015 16:23:22 GMT
Anthony O'Driscoll Skeillig Rangers (brother of Gary) wouldn't be far off it I would imagine, Didn't spot his name anywhere here yet
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Post by Jigz84 on Feb 16, 2015 10:06:02 GMT
Interesting to see both Cork and Tipperary playing in the Leinster Minor League.
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Post by onlykerry on Feb 16, 2015 13:49:57 GMT
Limerick and Clare are also taking part - first games took place last Saturday.
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Post by onlykerry on Feb 16, 2015 14:01:09 GMT
From Leinster twitter feed - R1 results Offaly 2-15 Westmeath 1-12 Kildare 4-11 Laois 1-09 Meath 5-17 Louth 3-11 Longford 0-06 Tipperary 0-10 Wexford 0-06 Cork 4-11 Missing three results - Dublin fielded two teams Dublin and Ath Cliath
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Post by onlykerry on Feb 17, 2015 11:13:12 GMT
Saturday February 21st 2:30pm Carlow v Cork Ne*ch Cullen Park Wexford v Wicklow Ballyhogue GAA Club Bree. Dublin v Kildare D.C.U. Laois v Clare Ratheniska Áth Cliath v Offaly Ballymun G.A.A. Westmeath v Limerick Hogan Park, Moate Longford v Meath Ballymahon
Leinster Minor Football League Round 1 Results played Saturday February 14th Dublin 3-12 Limerick 2-07 Offaly 2-16 Westmeath 1-12 Dublin 2-16 Clare 1-09 Kildare 4-11 Laois 1-09 Meath 5-17 Louth 3-08 Longford 0-06 Tipperary 0-10 Wexford 0-06 Cork 4-11 Carlow 1-11 Wicklow 2-09
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