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Post by onlykerry on Oct 6, 2014 16:32:57 GMT
When is the draw for Championship 2015.
Betting as follows
Dublin 5/4
Kerry 7/2
Mayo 13/2
Cork 8/1
Donegal 11/1
Armagh 20/1
Tyrone 22/1
Galway 22/1
Derry 33/1
Kildare 50/1
Monaghan 50/1
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Post by fitz on Oct 6, 2014 17:56:12 GMT
As of now, only the top 3 look to be real competitors, Donegal I'm excluding because of Jim's departure and likely retirements of a couple of their main warriors. This can be repented as needs be. Armagh could be a thorny wire
Caveat - this is early October, far from October the Sam Maguire was raised.
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Post by southward on Oct 6, 2014 19:40:38 GMT
You never can tell. Five months ago, would Kerry have been in the top 3 for 2014 ? Would Donegal?
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Post by onlykerry on Oct 6, 2014 20:30:35 GMT
As far as I know, Kerry were on offer at 8/1 at the beginning of this years championship - at least those are the odds being claimed by one happy Kerry punter in recent weeks. Bookies seem to think its a three horse race with Cork and Donegal long shots - odds of 20/1 for everybody else suggests no hopers in the eyes of the bookies. Then again bookies had Kerry as no hopers at both the SF and F.
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Post by seamo on Oct 6, 2014 21:06:11 GMT
Cork, second year under Cuthbert + if they can get dual players to focus on football could be a real threat. Understandable that Dublin should be favourites; we'll need 3-5 new players (Colm, Tommy, Darren etc) pushing for starting spots to have enough hunger to go back to back.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Oct 6, 2014 21:16:26 GMT
Here's a proposition for Kerry County Council re car reg:
KY1437SAM, KY1538SAM, etc
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Post by fitz on Oct 6, 2014 21:40:14 GMT
Cork, second year under Cuthbert + if they can get dual players to focus on football could be a real threat. Understandable that Dublin should be favourites; we'll need 3-5 new players (Colm, Tommy, Darren etc) pushing for starting spots to have enough hunger to go back to back. Hunger is indeed almost the biggest factor. With Aidan's best will, I don't think he could have it at the same level for 2015. He had an agenda of points to prove and by God prove them he did. I still hope he stays, there's a leadership role still there that requires him. I think Cork are decent and the Mayo game was more their true form, but for me they have only one go to forward and that's Hurley, the others are decent, solid performers but they can't get the scoreboard smoking. O'Neill is a lovely player but I've not seen him put a really lethal 70 mins together in a championship match. Their manager has work to do on the astute scale too. They are a solid outfit but need that extra one or two forwards and another midfielder. |
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 7, 2014 7:36:52 GMT
Looking at the field, back to back titles are a real possibility. Dublin and Mayo will meet in one semi-final with the other finalist coming from Kerry/Cork v Ulster - Armagh/Donegal/Tyrone, most likely.
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Post by kot on Oct 7, 2014 10:14:43 GMT
As far as I know, Kerry were on offer at 8/1 at the beginning of this years championship - at least those are the odds being claimed by one happy Kerry punter in recent weeks. Bookies seem to think its a three horse race with Cork and Donegal long shots - odds of 20/1 for everybody else suggests no hopers in the eyes of the bookies. Then again bookies had Kerry as no hopers at both the SF and F. Saw them at as long as 9/1 after the narrow win against Clare. |
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Post by Jigz84 on Oct 7, 2014 10:30:49 GMT
As far as I know, Kerry were on offer at 8/1 at the beginning of this years championship - at least those are the odds being claimed by one happy Kerry punter in recent weeks. Bookies seem to think its a three horse race with Cork and Donegal long shots - odds of 20/1 for everybody else suggests no hopers in the eyes of the bookies. Then again bookies had Kerry as no hopers at both the SF and F. Saw them at as long as 9/1 after the narrow win against Clare. Kerry were available at 16/1 at one point. |
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Post by sidelined on Oct 7, 2014 12:27:34 GMT
at 22 to 1 , a tenner on galway might be better than 2 pints in eamonns
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Post by fitz on Oct 7, 2014 13:31:31 GMT
at 22 to 1 , a tenner on galway might be better than 2 pints in eamonns This for 2015 side? I think Galway are miles off an All Ireland |
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Post by Jigz84 on Oct 7, 2014 15:26:38 GMT
Draw for 2015 Championship is Thursday night.
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Post by legendz on Oct 7, 2014 16:53:32 GMT
Looking at the field, back to back titles are a real possibility. Dublin and Mayo will meet in one semi-final with the other finalist coming from Kerry/Cork v Ulster - Armagh/Donegal/Tyrone, most likely. As Tomas Ó'Sé was saying we'll winter well! The quarter-finals will probably be Munster finalists vs Ulster finalists depending on the draw. For now we can winter well! |
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 7, 2014 17:00:13 GMT
Looking at the field, back to back titles are a real possibility. Dublin and Mayo will meet in one semi-final with the other finalist coming from Kerry/Cork v Ulster - Armagh/Donegal/Tyrone, most likely. As Tomas Ó'Sé was saying we'll winter well! The quarter-finals will probably be Munster finalists vs Ulster finalists depending on the draw. For now we can winter well! True, we'll winter well but I'd say this young team under the watchful eye of Eamonn will be keeping an eye on the ball and will retain a certain hunger. |
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Post by Ballyfireside on Oct 8, 2014 15:03:05 GMT
Hunger, as opposed to thirst!
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Post by crottalixnaw on Oct 8, 2014 20:23:58 GMT
we can meet cork in munster semi this year so if we lose that we could be in Dublin mayo side of draw
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jan 9, 2015 17:40:00 GMT
Has there ever been a Kerry team that lined out and won their first medal together of an AIF day... and not one member of the team win a second medal subsequently?
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Post by donegalman on Jan 9, 2015 18:26:05 GMT
Kerry were 12/1 in March, it was the best they were, I was looking at the prices for a long time before the championship out of interest, especially Dublin (thankfully I didnt back them). I cant remember kerry being 16/1 unless it was a local bookmaker in munster that wasnt online.
Kerry are currently 4/1 with William Hill. Cork are 10s with bet 365. Mayo are 8/1. The Dubs are 6/4 with 365 too. Donegal are 14s with both ladbrookes and boylesports. Galway are 40/1 with stanjames. (22/1 is not a good price when u can have almost double the odds). Factor in 2 u21 all ireland titles in the last 2 years and you would have to fancy they will break through eventually.
Personally going to wait until the league is over. There is nothing going to change that much in terms of price between now and April/May or even June. A lot can change in terms of form, injury and the like.
Keep your powder dry until you check all the prices, its hard enough to win without making it harder!
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Post by Jo90 on Jan 9, 2015 18:32:40 GMT
we can meet cork in munster semi this year so if we lose that we could be in Dublin mayo side of draw No, Kerry are meeting winners of Tipp/W'ford in semi |
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 9, 2015 18:55:13 GMT
Has there ever been a Kerry team that lined out and won their first medal together of an AIF day... and not one member of the team win a second medal subsequently? Yes 1891 |
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jan 9, 2015 20:27:10 GMT
Has there ever been a Kerry team that lined out and won their first medal together of an AIF day... and not one member of the team win a second medal subsequently? Yes 1891 Ah-ha! Football I mean. I don't think there are --- Kerry teams don't win just the one. |
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 9, 2015 21:24:41 GMT
Big year for Dublin in 2015. Like Kerry, they just have to win the semi final and final.
Should Dublin fail to win it back in 2015 it will be a big blow to them. They will look on 2012 and 2014 as gap years when they went walkabout mentally.
Kerry can win it in 2015 if they are all tuned in and all submit themselves fully to EF like in 2014. But Dublins belly may be hungrier when all in said and done. 1976 revisited perhaps?
I expect Mayo to come up with yet another new way of blowing their chance in 2015.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jan 15, 2015 15:57:14 GMT
One of these days a Galway or a Meath will come out of nowhere, in fact you could put Cork in that category. But I can't see any of those 3 win Sam before they lose one, if you know what I mean. Possibly Cork might. Of the Ulster teams I think Armagh could well become contenders. And I wouldn't write off Monaghan just yet. They need changes but have the basis of a that could get to a semi at least.
How will Donegal handle the loss of JMG and maybe some old warriors? If they adopt a more attacking type of play it should freshen up their squad and with the confidence of the last few years behind them they could yet be a force. Mayo could be the Dublin 1990s or Armagh 90s/00s of this era. If they keep coming back they may get over the line. Their defeats in 2 semis and 2 finals is a very similar record to Dublin in the 90s, almost identical.
Kerry having won Sam with so many new lads and some older lads freshened up could buck the trend of champions being down a level the following year. They still don't have massive expectation on them, which suits them down to the ground, and with the Gooch and TWalsh back they could even bit a bit better overall.
Dublin will surely produce a massive effort but must have alot of doubts in their minds about the way they lost last year, especially to go out so meekly in the end. Those doubts will persist about how they handle the biggest challenges mentally. And how they handle a possible change in style of play. There will be no comfort-zone for them this year. This surely represents the last best chance of this group to win another All-I, like Tyrone in the previous decade.
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Post by kerrygold on Jan 15, 2015 18:30:37 GMT
It is a crucial year for the Dubs alright. Mayo could take them in the semi final, that will be a huge game for both counties with big pressure on board for both sets of players. Losing will be detrimental to the losers, if not unthinkable, it could be a classic. Neither can afford to lose.
Meanwhile, happy go lucky Kerry will head up to Croker to have a look around at the place and a shopping day for the country folk. The natural rhythms are so soothing, nothing added but time, a bit like the Bulmers add says.
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 15, 2015 18:49:14 GMT
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jan 15, 2015 19:01:46 GMT
Thank feck I never go in there!
KG how do Kerry keep that edge and always reinvent the success?
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jan 15, 2015 19:07:50 GMT
Thank feck I never go in there! KG how do Kerry keep that edge and always reinvent the success? When you get used to something it really hurts to let it go. 1982 hurt. 2001 hurt. 2008 hurt. 2011 hurt. Avoiding this hurt is a big deal imo. |
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 15, 2015 21:40:27 GMT
Yerra rashers tis easily explained, shur you heard of Maslow and his hierarchy of needs that motivates human behaviour.
Well, winning the All Ireland would be in Category 1 for a Kerryman. The most basic need basically.
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Maslow's hierarchy of needs
Each of us is motivated by needs. Our most basic needs are inborn, having evolved over tens of thousands of years. Abraham Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs helps to explain how these needs motivate us all.
Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs states that we must satisfy each need in turn, starting with the first, which deals with the most obvious needs for survival itself.
Only when the lower order needs of physical and emotional well-being are satisfied are we concerned with the higher order needs of influence and personal development.
Conversely, if the things that satisfy our lower order needs are swept away, we are no longer concerned about the maintenance of our higher order needs.
Maslow's original Hierarchy of Needs model was developed between 1943-1954, and first widely published in Motivation and Personality in 1954. At this time the Hierarchy of Needs model comprised five needs. This original version remains for most people the definitive Hierarchy of Needs.
Maslow's hierarchy of needs for a Kerryman
1. Biological and Physiological needs - air, food, winning the All Ireland, drink, shelter, warmth, sex, sleep, etc.
2. Safety needs - protection from elements, security, order, law, limits, stability, etc.
3. Belongingness and Love needs - work group, family, affection, relationships, etc.
4. Esteem needs - self-esteem, achievement, mastery, independence, status, dominance, prestige, managerial responsibility, etc.
5. Self-Actualization needs - realising personal potential, self-fulfillment, seeking personal growth and peak experiences.
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Post by kerrygold on Jan 16, 2015 13:47:41 GMT
Thank feck I never go in there! KG how do Kerry keep that edge and always reinvent the success? It must be something spiritual rashers, deep from within. The opposite side of the coin equally fascinates me as to why the Dublin hurlers, Kildare and Mayo footballers, for example can't win an Ireland. What do you think yourself? |
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