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Post by Jo90 on Aug 31, 2014 21:12:30 GMT
Has the same two teams been in the minor and senior final before? It has indeed. Kerry v Dublin in 1979. We won the senior, lost the minor. Tom Spillane and Ambrose O Donovan played that day. Both played the following year also which was the last year Kerry won the Senior-Minor double. Killian Spillane and David Moran will hopefully complete a double in 3 weeks that their father's did 34 years ago!
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Post by seamo on Aug 31, 2014 21:13:23 GMT
What's the story with jersey's, are we going to be wearing blue I presume? Guess it's done us alright up to now, but unusual if I Kerry team were to go 3 championship games not wearing green and gold.
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Post by jackiel on Aug 31, 2014 21:27:29 GMT
The Donegal subs and back room team did a fair bit of celebrating at the whistle today and Jimmy himself did a bit of a jig on the pitch. Whats wrong with celbrating anyway, they've just achieved something which wouldn't have been dreamt of by many at the start of the year.
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Post by onlykerry on Aug 31, 2014 21:32:21 GMT
It has indeed. Kerry v Dublin in 1979. We won the senior, lost the minor. Tom Spillane and Ambrose O Donovan played that day. Both played the following year also which was the last year Kerry won the Senior-Minor double. Killian Spillane and David Moran will hopefully complete a double in 3 weeks that their father's did 34 years ago! Tom Spillane came on as a sub in the 1980 final - team was 1980: R. O'Brien, D. Keane, M. Crowley, M. Counihan, J. O'Sullivan, T. Sheehy, J.T. O'Sullivan, P. O'Donoghue, A. O'Donovan, T. Dee, J. Shannon, L. Kearns, T. Parker, W. Maher, M. McAuliffe. Sub: T. Spillane some interesting names with Ambrose and Tom going on to stellar senior careers and Liam Kearns to a career in management.
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Post by austinstacksabu on Aug 31, 2014 21:32:27 GMT
So, how do you rob Donegal of possession in attack? They keep it in hand and move with speed.
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Post by Glaschu Gael on Aug 31, 2014 21:34:45 GMT
So, how do you rob Donegal of possession in attack? They keep it in hand and move with speed. I'd say the exact same way we did it against Mayo... They also moved with speed
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 22:22:35 GMT
The weather could be a factor . If it's raining it will not suit us cause our Forwards are light and the ball will be hard to Control . I think it will suit the bigger Donegal players . A dry ball will even things out a bit better for us .
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Post by seaniebo on Aug 31, 2014 23:17:28 GMT
McGunniess didn't waste much time starting the mind games. Twice he referenced Kerry's celebrations in media interviews after the semi-final with Dublin - stating 'Kerry celebrated their semi-final win like they had won the All Ireland!' It doesn't take a genius to work out what he'll be telling his players. Donegal will be very difficult to beat no doubt about it. However, Kerry's mental strength and resolve has been well tested by Mayo and Eamon has been getting the heads right for battle all Championship - he and Kerry will not flinch now. Belief is key! To be fair to Jim McGuinness, in his radio interview in the immediate aftermath, he couldn't hide his excitement. What he said was he watched the scenes from the Kerry game and was quite taken by the jubilant celebrations, much like he said Donegal reacted and felt after their victory. I wouldn't think he was engaging in mind games, but more joyous of the spectacle the weekend games threw up. In any case mind games won't matter when the ball is thrown in.
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Post by seamus on Sept 1, 2014 8:13:12 GMT
Good analysis on the Sunday game of how Dublin let Donegal run through them by going man to man and pressing up on a high line. Fitzmaurice has let his half back line sit on the 45 yard line all year up until the Mayo game when they pushed up a bit more. Likely to leave 2 extra backs to meet the Donegal runners and not press as high as Dublin did.
Think Eamonn would have preferred the man v man challenge of Dublin rather than the hype about systems, tactics and psychology that he will have to stop seeping into the players heads.
5 days in Enfield?
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Sept 1, 2014 8:23:09 GMT
Maybe the Blaskets?! In all seriousness this is going to be a massive test for EF. The management team would be advised to err on the side of conservatism or rather conventionalism. Nothing too complicated. Communication between 2-9 --- Donegal might have defended with 9-13 players yesterday but Dublin were attacking with as many which is kamikaze stuff! Management could get into a spot of guessing, and double guessing, and bluffing with tactics. Kerry have to realise that the first thing they have to do is work and fight as hard as they did against Mayo. They have to get narrow-eyed and focused. Tight marking when Donegal don't break at pace. A few players left their shooting boots at home on Saturday. A small improvement in sharpness and Kerry could have had a good lead in the first half on Saturday. There will need to be massive patience --- from players and supporters also. Donegal will frustrate us and Kerry forwards, especially inside, will have a tough time of it. Would it be a fair thing to say that Donaghy would struggle against Donegal's defense? Or is that an example of the double guessing that I am warning against? Fire in the belly, ice in the veins: medals up for grabs!
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Post by seamo on Sept 1, 2014 8:50:47 GMT
Good analysis on the Sunday game of how Dublin let Donegal run through them by going man to man and pressing up on a high line. Fitzmaurice has let his half back line sit on the 45 yard line all year up until the Mayo game when they pushed up a bit more. Likely to leave 2 extra backs to meet the Donegal runners and not press as high as Dublin did. Think Eamonn would have preferred the man v man challenge of Dublin rather than the hype about systems, tactics and psychology that he will have to stop seeping into the players heads. 5 days in Enfield?GAA players must have no jobs these day?!!
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 1, 2014 10:31:50 GMT
JmcG was disappointed he didn't get the perfect All-Ireland Final performance against Mayo in 2012. He'll demand it this time from his players. Donegal left the door ajar in the first half that day. Kerry will have to concentrate on their own game and get themselves ready for the game.
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Post by KY50 on Sept 1, 2014 11:17:37 GMT
Looks like Donegal are hot favourites for this one,we also struggle against northern teams in major matches? I am open to correction here but do they (Donegal) have a 100% record in finals, - v Dublin 1992, v Mayo 2012
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Post by gamechanger10 on Sept 1, 2014 11:31:28 GMT
I would much rather to be playing Dublin as they go toe to toe and play the game the way it is supposed to be played. Donegal are a nightmare for us and if its a wet day !!!!!!! Those robots will thump the day lights out of our forwards tribble mark Star and try to take O Donoghue out at the first opportunity. Their keeper is a little suspect under high ball that comes in from the corners as he is not athletic and yet he tries to compete,, in 2012 Star got a goal in exactly that scenario,,, God it would be great to bring Sam home this of all years with the efforts made by this great team... Fitzy's winning matches !!
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Post by haryegsnbaken on Sept 1, 2014 11:36:20 GMT
So we have Donegal to deal with for the big prize.
We certainly have a great chance. Hopefully picking from a full deck for the final.
3 weeks of "Jimmys Winnin Matches". OMG spare me.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Sept 1, 2014 11:41:41 GMT
Looks like Donegal are hot favourites for this one,we also struggle against northern teams in major matches? I am open to correction here but do they (Donegal) have a 100% record in finals, - v Dublin 1992, v Mayo 2012 Correct. They have made it to two finals and won them both. And yes, Kerry have lost more finals than any other county but also have won a lot more and appeared in a lot more finals. You can twists statistics all day, but it counts for naught. When push comes to shove Kerry will have to deal with the physical threat of Donegal. Given the way we managed to contain Mayo, who are probably even more physical, I would fancy Kerry winning this. The Kerry bench is our best weapon in my opinion: we can use a multitude of strategies and don't just have a plan A, but B, C, D, E and F as well (if not he whole alphabet). I wouldn't be surprised if Eamon would start Stephen O'Brien (if fit) or Darren (if fit) or Declan instead of Dongahy in the final or even move Donaghy to a different position altogether. Sheehan will have to be fit for the game in my opinion as Donegal's style could result in a number of vital frees. You don't get many scores against them so every single opportunity has to be a score. It is going to be a very intriguing, strategic, physical, chess-like battle.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Sept 1, 2014 11:42:16 GMT
So we have Donegal to deal with for the big prize. We certainly have a great chance. Hopefully picking from a full deck for the final. 3 weeks of "Jimmys Winnin Matches". OMG spare me. The more they hype Donegal, the better
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Post by Jigz84 on Sept 1, 2014 11:57:24 GMT
Physically Kerry will be able for Donegal. My worry is the line. Can Fitz & Co put 2 decent outings back-to-back tactically?
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Sept 1, 2014 12:13:28 GMT
Looking at yesterday's game Donegal weren't actually that physical and have a few very light players. I liked the way they played yesterday even though they were very defensively as always. They remind me of a rugby league team: all defending in one or two lines looking for a turnover and once they get it the whole team move forward supporting each other's runs.
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Post by seaniebo on Sept 1, 2014 12:20:28 GMT
Looks like Donegal are hot favourites for this one,we also struggle against northern teams in major matches? I am open to correction here but do they (Donegal) have a 100% record in finals, - v Dublin 1992, v Mayo 2012 Correct. They have made it to two finals and won them both. And yes, Kerry have lost more finals than any other county but also have won a lot more and appeared in a lot more finals. You can twists statistics all day, but it counts for naught. When push comes to shove Kerry will have to deal with the physical threat of Donegal. Given the way we managed to contain Mayo, who are probably even more physical, I would fancy Kerry winning this. The Kerry bench is our best weapon in my opinion: we can use a multitude of strategies and don't just have a plan A, but B, C, D, E and F as well (if not he whole alphabet). I wouldn't be surprised if Eamon would start Stephen O'Brien (if fit) or Darren (if fit) or Declan instead of Dongahy in the final or even move Donaghy to a different position altogether. Sheehan will have to be fit for the game in my opinion as Donegal's style could result in a number of vital frees. You don't get many scores against them so every single opportunity has to be a score. It is going to be a very intriguing, strategic, physical, chess-like battle. Not to be picking holes in your post but the fact of the matter is Donegal conceded quite heavily. 17 points accompanied by some horrific wides by the Dubs suggests that scores are available. Donegal weren't exactly terrific yesterday but they made Dublin pay big time for some absolute woeful defending at this level. Almost every attack seemed like a goal chance. Dublin absolutely and totally lost their composure. Their go to guys were not at the races when needed most. And remarkably they started out so well with what appeared to me to be at times very juvenile football from Donegal. It was as if Dublin seemed to think the match just needed playing out and took their eye off the ball.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Sept 1, 2014 12:34:11 GMT
Correct. They have made it to two finals and won them both. And yes, Kerry have lost more finals than any other county but also have won a lot more and appeared in a lot more finals. You can twists statistics all day, but it counts for naught. When push comes to shove Kerry will have to deal with the physical threat of Donegal. Given the way we managed to contain Mayo, who are probably even more physical, I would fancy Kerry winning this. The Kerry bench is our best weapon in my opinion: we can use a multitude of strategies and don't just have a plan A, but B, C, D, E and F as well (if not he whole alphabet). I wouldn't be surprised if Eamon would start Stephen O'Brien (if fit) or Darren (if fit) or Declan instead of Dongahy in the final or even move Donaghy to a different position altogether. Sheehan will have to be fit for the game in my opinion as Donegal's style could result in a number of vital frees. You don't get many scores against them so every single opportunity has to be a score. It is going to be a very intriguing, strategic, physical, chess-like battle. Not to be picking holes in your post but the fact of the matter is Donegal conceded quite heavily. 17 points accompanied by some horrific wides by the Dubs suggests that scores are available. Donegal weren't exactly terrific yesterday but they made Dublin pay big time for some absolute woeful defending at this level. Almost every attack seemed like a goal chance. Dublin absolutely and totally lost their composure. Their go to guys were not at the races when needed most. And remarkably they started out so well with what appeared to me to be at times very juvenile football from Donegal. It was as if Dublin seemed to think the match just needed playing out and took their eye off the ball. Very valid points but this Dublin were always going to get a good score. This was the lowest score tally for Dublin all year regardless of the opposition so I would say they did stop Dublin scoring very well. There were indeed goal chances but they stopped Dublin from using them. Dublin stuck to their tried and tested method but could not close enough to get the goals despite having one of the best forwards unit in the country. Donegal aren't as defensive as they used to be and are a lot more attack minded this year.
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Post by greengold35 on Sept 1, 2014 12:43:10 GMT
Reckon final will not be anything like the game yesterday- predict that Donegal , now that they are in the final will play very defensive and will counter attack when the moment arrives; we will not be as naive as Dublin were, particularly the half back line. 0-17 should win most games, it should win a final. Our forte and it has been alluded to many times is our kick passing- most of our players are comfortable off either foot and in David Moran & Anthony Maher we have two of the best- quick 25/30 metre punts into space for forwards to run onto will surely be one of our attacking plays- Donaghy will also have a big part to play as he is still capable of winning his own ball even against Magee and this is a very viable option. Fascinating game in prospect - much to look forward to.
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Post by keane on Sept 1, 2014 12:56:08 GMT
There will need to be massive patience --- from players and supporters also. Donegal will frustrate us and Kerry forwards, especially inside, will have a tough time of it. Would it be a fair thing to say that Donaghy would struggle against Donegal's defense? Or is that an example of the double guessing that I am warning against? I thought Donaghy would start on Saturday as he was the perfect man to either force Mayo's marauding HB line to stay home or else to exploit them pushing up. Against Donegal I think he could possibly be the wrong selection as they will have plenty cover in front of their FB line and Neil McGee will love the thought of dealing with high ball all day long. A FF of Geaney flanked by the two speedsters O'Brien and O'Donoghue would be a good option for making inroads IMO.
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Post by onlykerry on Sept 1, 2014 14:10:39 GMT
We have a fair idea about the Donegal style of play - defend in numbers and attack in waves. We know that Dublin contributed to their own downfall by poor defence and total overconfidence. We know we can be vulnerable when teams run at us and we need to keep our defensive lines intact. I think if we maintain our defensive discipline we will win as we have more match winners and variety in our forward division. Interesting that over the past ten years only Kerry as defending champions have been beaten by the eventual winners. In fact Kerry are the only defending champions to have made the following years final in the last ten years. The giant killing feat has been the high point for all other conquerors of the defending champions. 2013 - Dublin won but Donegal the defending champs beaten by Monaghan in Ulster and Mayo in QF 2012 - Donegal won but Dublin the defending champs beaten by Mayo in the SF 2011 - Dublin won and Cork the defending champs beaten by Kerry in Munster and Mayo in QF 2010 - Cork won and Kerry as defending champs lost in MF to Cork and Down in the QF 2009 - Kerry won and Tyrone the defending champs lost to Cork in SF 2008 - Tyrone beat Kerry the defending Champs 2007 - Kerry retained title 2006 - Kerry won and Tyrone the defending champs lost to Derry in Ulster and Laois in Qualifiers 2005 - Tyrone beat Kerry the defending champs
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Post by kaiser on Sept 1, 2014 14:15:50 GMT
We have a fair idea about the Donegal style of play - defend in numbers and attack in waves. We know that Dublin contributed to their own downfall by poor defence and total overconfidence. We know we can be vulnerable when teams run at us and we need to keep our defensive lines intact. I think if we maintain our defensive discipline we will win as we have more match winners and variety in our forward division. Interesting that over the past ten years only Kerry as defending champions have been beaten by the eventual winners. In fact Kerry are the only defending champions to have made the following years final in the last ten years. The giant killing feat has been the high point for all other conquerors of the defending champions. 2013 - Dublin won but Donegal the defending champs beaten by Monaghan in Ulster and Mayo in QF 2012 - Donegal won but Dublin the defending champs beaten by Mayo in the SF 2011 - Dublin won and Cork the defending champs beaten by Kerry in Munster and Mayo in QF 2010 - Cork won and Kerry as defending champs lost in MF to Cork and Down in the QF2009 - Kerry won and Tyrone the defending champs lost to Cork in SF 2008 - Tyrone beat Kerry the defending Champs 2007 - Kerry retained title 2006 - Kerry won and Tyrone the defending champs lost to Derry in Ulster and Laois in Qualifiers 2005 - Tyrone beat Kerry the defending champs Kerry beat Cork that year in Munster in a replay in PUC.
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Post by buck02 on Sept 1, 2014 14:20:22 GMT
We have a fair idea about the Donegal style of play - defend in numbers and attack in waves. We know that Dublin contributed to their own downfall by poor defence and total overconfidence. We know we can be vulnerable when teams run at us and we need to keep our defensive lines intact. I think if we maintain our defensive discipline we will win as we have more match winners and variety in our forward division. Interesting that over the past ten years only Kerry as defending champions have been beaten by the eventual winners. In fact Kerry are the only defending champions to have made the following years final in the last ten years. The giant killing feat has been the high point for all other conquerors of the defending champions. 2013 - Dublin won but Donegal the defending champs beaten by Monaghan in Ulster and Mayo in QF 2012 - Donegal won but Dublin the defending champs beaten by Mayo in the SF 2011 - Dublin won and Cork the defending champs beaten by Kerry in Munster and Mayo in QF 2010 - Cork won and Kerry as defending champs lost in MF to Cork and Down in the QF2009 - Kerry won and Tyrone the defending champs lost to Cork in SF 2008 - Tyrone beat Kerry the defending Champs 2007 - Kerry retained title 2006 - Kerry won and Tyrone the defending champs lost to Derry in Ulster and Laois in Qualifiers 2005 - Tyrone beat Kerry the defending champs Kerry beat Cork after a replay in the Munster semi final and beat Limerick in the Munster final in 2010 didn't they?
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Sept 1, 2014 14:38:58 GMT
It'll be a huge battle from the sidelines, but I think we are far more prepared to meet Donegal's style than we were a few seasons ago.
I couldn't believe how niave Dublin were in going man-to-man at the back and leaving so much space for Donegal to run into. Crazy stuff from Gavin, who is supposed to be a super reader of the game. But in fairness to Dublin they could have 2 goals in the first half Connolly (Dublin's best player) missed a great chance when he hit it straight at the keeper and if BB had been given a better pass I'm sure he would have goaled. Once Donegal snuffed out the goal threat's you could sense their growing confidence and Dublin's unease.
Dublin's FB line was at 6 and 7's for the goals. McHugh was allowed to run straight into the box with nobody within 10 yards of him. Shockingly poor defending.
One worry I would have is how we will handle the likes of Murphy and McFadden. I think we are vulnerable under the high ball so will have to plan for that. I also think Donegal are far better equipped to dealing with Donaghy's aeriel threat. Neil McGee is one of the best full backs in the business.
Big selection head ache from Eamon and co. O'Brien will surely be fit the next da, and Declan looked good yesterday when he came on.
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Post by onlykerry on Sept 1, 2014 14:39:57 GMT
We have a fair idea about the Donegal style of play - defend in numbers and attack in waves. We know that Dublin contributed to their own downfall by poor defence and total overconfidence. We know we can be vulnerable when teams run at us and we need to keep our defensive lines intact. I think if we maintain our defensive discipline we will win as we have more match winners and variety in our forward division. Interesting that over the past ten years only Kerry as defending champions have been beaten by the eventual winners. In fact Kerry are the only defending champions to have made the following years final in the last ten years. The giant killing feat has been the high point for all other conquerors of the defending champions. 2013 - Dublin won but Donegal the defending champs beaten by Monaghan in Ulster and Mayo in QF 2012 - Donegal won but Dublin the defending champs beaten by Mayo in the SF 2011 - Dublin won and Cork the defending champs beaten by Kerry in Munster and Mayo in QF 2010 - Cork won and Kerry as defending champs lost in MF to Cork and Down in the QF2009 - Kerry won and Tyrone the defending champs lost to Cork in SF 2008 - Tyrone beat Kerry the defending Champs 2007 - Kerry retained title 2006 - Kerry won and Tyrone the defending champs lost to Derry in Ulster and Laois in Qualifiers 2005 - Tyrone beat Kerry the defending champs Kerry beat Cork after a replay in the Munster semi final and beat Limerick in the Munster final in 2010 didn't they? Mea culpa - yes we won Munster before losing to Down
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Post by haryegsnbaken on Sept 1, 2014 14:59:14 GMT
It'll be a huge battle from the sidelines, but I think we are far more prepared to meet Donegal's style than we were a few seasons ago. I couldn't believe how niave Dublin were in going man-to-man at the back and leaving so much space for Donegal to run into. Crazy stuff from Gavin, who is supposed to be a super reader of the game. But in fairness to Dublin they could have 2 goals in the first half Connolly (Dublin's best player) missed a great chance when he hit it straight at the keeper and if BB had been given a better pass I'm sure he would have goaled. Once Donegal snuffed out the goal threat's you could sense their growing confidence and Dublin's unease. Dublin's FB line was at 6 and 7's for the goals. McHugh was allowed to run straight into the box with nobody within 10 yards of him. Shockingly poor defending. One worry I would have is how we will handle the likes of Murphy and McFadden. I think we are vulnerable under the high ball so will have to plan for that. I also think Donegal are far better equipped to dealing with Donaghy's aeriel threat. Neil McGee is one of the best full backs in the business. Big selection head ache from Eamon and co. O'Brien will surely be fit the next da, and Declan looked good yesterday when he came on. Ya I agree. We seem to have the defence set right for a team running at us. But now we are starting to look vulnerable under the high ball where a lot of the goals/penalties came against Mayo.
This will not have gone unnoticed by Jim Mc G . Murphy, Gallagher and McFadden are all big men and could cause us a few headaches but if Moran and Maher give another performance like Saturday then at least we would be stopping it at source.
I hope that Eamon does not blink now and go with wholesale changes for the final. The starting 15 for the first game against Mayo would be my preferred team.
If there is one change MAYBE Declan for Johnny B.
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Post by keane on Sept 1, 2014 15:03:21 GMT
Crowley -> Murphy Mahony -> McFadden
Surely, right?
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