Kerry v Kilkenny (Hurling).

[bomberliston]

Anyone know if Kerry played (and beat KK) in a National League game back in the 80s? 
KK may have been relegated the previous year.....
Heard a story about this recently and there's nothing to be found on the internet...

[kerrygold]

Killkenny won back to back All-Irelands in '82 and '83 and contested a final '87. While poor in the latter half of the decade I don't recall them losing to Kerry in the NHL.

[bomberliston]

Aug 18, 2014 15:43:04 GMT kerrygold said:

Killkenny won back to back All-Irelands in '82 and '83 and contested a final '87. While poor in the latter half of the decade I don't recall them losing to Kerry in the NHL.

Thanks Kerrygold.
Even trying to find a few old league tables is a grind on the internet.
The GAA should stick up a decent archive of intercounty results, tables, etc on their site!

[kerrygold]

No worries bomber, I'd be surprised if kerry had beaten them during that decade, DJ came on the scene late in that decade. I cant recall if he played in the '87 final or not.

[kerryexile]

I'm giving away my age here but Kerry did beat Kilkenny in the NHL played, to the best of my recollection in Austin Stack Park in the first half of the eighties. Even more memorable was the column by Con Houlihan the next day waxing lyrical about the great tradition of hurling in fertile plains of North Kerry with the fields of barley etc etc. I may be able to dig it out and will post it if I can. It shocked Kilkenny - they appointed Pat Henderson as new manager - and went on to have more success.

[Jo90]

I think you're thinking of the draw between them. More info at:
www.kerrygaa.proboards.com/thread/208

[kerryexile]

You are correct - that is the game i'm thinking about. The report and players ring a bell and the stories about the late night. There was only one shock against Kilkenny and that was it.

[bomberliston]

Thanks for all the help lads!
Lad at work wouldn't believe me when I told him that KY beat the mighty KK back in the 80s.
Turns out he was right but I'm claiming the draw as a victory for KY!!!

[Deleted]

I remember been at the game in Austin Stack Park in the mid 90s,Kerry played out of their skins that day and were unlucky to get something out of the game,I remember there was a big crowd at the game,most were there to see DJ Carey in action.

[ballynamona]

Aug 20, 2014 18:17:30 GMT @ddc102 said:

I remember been at the game in Austin Stack Park in the mid 90s,Kerry played out of their skins that day and were unlucky to get something out of the game,I remember there was a big crowd at the game,most were there to see DJ Carey in action.

I'm pretty sure that game was St Patricks weekend 1994. I was at it. Pity there was no back door in hurling then.

[Mickmack]

yeah... I remember talking to one of the Kerry players sometime afterwards and he was amazed that DJ kept encouraging the Kerry players during the game. DJ was delighted to see such endeavour from players from the premier football county

[ballynamona]

Aug 20, 2014 21:27:38 GMT Mickmack said:

yeah... I remember talking to one of the Kerry players sometime afterwards and he was amazed that DJ kept encouraging the Kerry players during the game. DJ was delighted to see such endeavour from players from the premier football county

That's a sign of what a good guy DJ is...must have felt strange during a match though!

I remember Kerry also played Offaly and Clare at home, it must have been the same season. Some of the best players of the mid 90s were on show in Tralee.

[Seoirse Ui Duic]

Of the counties with a population under 150,000 I suppose Wexford is the only county successful in both hurling and football though they haven't won anything recently.
Considering Kerry's pedigree in football we have a very good record in the hurling especially if you consider just a handful of clubs are providing players.
Galway and Cork (can I include Offaly there?) are probably the only other counties that have been very successful and they have a much larger population.

[Annascaultilidie]

Aug 20, 2014 22:00:45 GMT Seoirse Ui Duic said:

Of the counties with a population under 150,000 I suppose Wexford is the only county successful in both hurling and football though they haven't won anything recently.
Considering Kerry's pedigree in football we have a very good record in the hurling especially if you consider just a handful of clubs are providing players.
Galway and Cork (can I include Offaly there?) are probably the only other counties that have been very successful and they have a much larger population.

I think Dublin are fair for this list now and to a (much) lesser extent Limerick. Tipp are coming.

[Seoirse Ui Duic]

I would agree but Limerick and Tipp have not enjoyed the success in football that Wexford and Galway have had.
Dublin have not won a hurling All Ireland since 1938 and even though they have done well at times they haven't had the same succes even though they have 10 times the population of Wexford. My point is that of Kerry had the same population as Galway or Cork it might be a lot more successful in hurling provided that the population of the hurling areas accelerates at the same rate as elsewhere in the county. A 250,000 population like Galway might mean almost a doubling in population for Kerry.
If Kerry had twice as many people involved in the hurling I'm sure that participation in the Liam McCarthy Cup would be a certainty though it remains to be seen how successful they would be.
The reason for this thread is that people are surprised that Kerry can draw with Kilkenny though Kilkenny with a population under 100,000 only focus on hurling.
Can the few clubs in Kerry match the might of Kilkenny hurling? I count it at the moment though some of the counties that we play against in the Christy Ring cup do put it up to Kilkenny.
With Kerry's population it could not be a true dual county though. Wexford with a similar population to Kerry's have struggled to gain All Ireland success for a long time now and this only becomes more difficult in the modern age. It is therefore unlikely that Wexford's previous achievements will be matched by a county of a similar population.
With the huge populations that Cork and Dublin have they have underachieved.

[Annascaultilidie]

Aug 20, 2014 22:28:05 GMT Seoirse Ui Duic said:

I would agree but Limerick and Tipp have not enjoyed the success in football that Wexford and Galway have had.
Dublin have not won a hurling All Ireland since 1938 and even though they have done well at times they haven't had the same succes even though they have 10 times the population of Wexford.

I know that you are taking into account the relative sizes of the counties but Wexford haven't won a football AI since 1918 and a Leinster since 1945.

Tipp have four AIFC and Limerick have two.

[kerrygold]

Aug 20, 2014 22:28:05 GMT Seoirse Ui Duic said:

I would agree but Limerick and Tipp have not enjoyed the success in football that Wexford and Galway have had.
Dublin have not won a hurling All Ireland since 1938 and even though they have done well at times they haven't had the same succes even though they have 10 times the population of Wexford. My point is that of Kerry had the same population as Galway or Cork it might be a lot more successful in hurling provided that the population of the hurling areas accelerates at the same rate as elsewhere in the county. A 250,000 population like Galway might mean almost a doubling in population for Kerry.
If Kerry had twice as many people involved in the hurling I'm sure that participation in the Liam McCarthy Cup would be a certainty though it remains to be seen how successful they would be.
The reason for this thread is that people are surprised that Kerry can draw with Kilkenny though Kilkenny with a population under 100,000 only focus on hurling.
Can the few clubs in Kerry match the might of Kilkenny hurling? I count it at the moment though some of the counties that we play against in the Christy Ring cup do put it up to Kilkenny.
With Kerry's population it could not be a true dual county though. Wexford with a similar population to Kerry's have struggled to gain All Ireland success for a long time now and this only becomes more difficult in the modern age. It is therefore unlikely that Wexford's previous achievements will be matched by a county of a similar population.
With the huge populations that Cork and Dublin have they have underachieved.

Against what barometer have both Dublin and Cork underachieved?

[Seoirse Ui Duic]

I meant compared to their population and player numbers.
But as Anascaultildie rightly pointed Wexford have not been a major power in football for almost a 100 years now even though they were once the kingpins of football abd the first county to achieve the four in a row.
There was an interesting article in the program for the quarter final pointing out that of the counties winning Sam since 1982 only Offaly have a population under 100,000 and after that Kerry is the smallest county by population to win it. Though Armagh, Derry, Tyrone and Down might have lower player numbers despite their population due to the obvious.
So Kerry would indeed by punching above its weight. Considering the success in the Christy Ring Cup (though unlucky in the finals) it is remarkable that a county with the population of Kerry's does so well in the football and relatively well in hurling.
The population and player numbers of Dublin and Cork far exceed that of Kerry's and most other counties yet their total tally is not as impressive in comparison,

[Mickmack]

I remember reading that Kerry and Mayo are very similar as regards population, clubs, economy, emigration etc compared to Mayo, Kerry haven't done too bad anyway

[Seoirse Ui Duic]

Aug 20, 2014 22:57:02 GMT Mickmack said:

I remember reading that Kerry and Mayo are very similar as regards population, clubs, economy, emigration etc compared to Mayo, Kerry haven't done too bad anyway

That is true as far as I know.
Compare that also to the succes of our minors, U21, hurlers, ladies football, etc and you could say Kerry is in very good health.