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Post by greengold35 on Aug 10, 2014 16:34:56 GMT
I think the game is 50/50; Kerry were never troubled by Galway and seemed to have a bit in reserve if they needed it; the fact that Steven O'Brien did not play says it all as I believe if it was the semi final that he would have been involved- Eamonn & Co were playing that one cutely. Mayo , on the other hand could not have underestimated Cork for surely they expected a backlash after Cork's poor performance in the Munster final? This makes me think that Mayo are not what they are made out to be in certain quarters- they failed completely to deal with the threat of Donncha O'Connor with nobody seeming to know who should have been picking him up- I witnessed a couple of Mayo players questioning each other on this but the management will also be wondering what' was happening. I think we are better now than we were at this stage last year, Paul Geaney & Steven O'Brien in particular are real finds plus we seem to be better at the back - form of Shane Enright & Fionn a big plus here. If we get enough ball into our inside line we will win- not maybe a big IF because I do not think we will go toe to toe with the Mayo midfield- expect a lot of ball to our corner & wing backs, holding possession and feeding the forwards with fast ball; also our fitness is no longer in question and we have a bench to call on- just convinced myself that we will win this one!
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Post by The16thMan on Aug 10, 2014 20:11:40 GMT
It is certainly set up for a very evenly balanced affair with both teams playing at high intensity levels this year. I certainly think we have improved greatly from last year and if we had The Gooch as part of the panel I would fancy our chances of beating even the likes of Dublin. I'm certainly impressed by the physicality of the Mayo team and their ability to kick scores from 40 metres plus which tells me that this Mayo team are very capable footballers. Have no doubt that Kerry have a huge battle amongst the war ahead and we'll have to empty the tank to prevail. The likes of Donal Vaughan, Aidan O'Shea and Cillian O'Connor have been stars all year and will be hard to contain. In saying that I do predict a narrow Kerry victory, I think we have more fluidity up front and the partnership of James O'Donoghue and Paul Geaney is certainly a key factor in us winning or losing. I think we need a few changes to the team from the one that faced Galway such as David Moran,Peter Crowley and Stephen O'Brien(who I know was injured) to come in with in my opinion Aidan O'Mahony, Anthony Maher/Jonny Buckley and Mikey Geaney to loose out. Moran's passing is crisp while he's well able to field and score Crowley is more of and anchor at the back than Aidan while I personally think the running and athleticism of Stephen O' Brien is vital. If Kerry play as unit and move the ball with pace and accuracy I can't see this Mayo team beating us, especially while their keeping Alan Freeman out of the starting 15. Mayo narrowly got over the line against a very average Cork team while Kerry managed to dispatch of Cork comfortably, while many think that it's Mayo's game to loose It's been a long time since they've beaten Kerry in a championship game in Croker and comparing the form and abilities of the two sides I can't see Mayo's bad run against Kerry coming to an end this year.
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Post by Jigz84 on Aug 11, 2014 9:12:32 GMT
If Kerry can keep Mayo's half-back line honest then there's a great chance of winning. Aidan O' Shea is very flakey and was poor from the Semi onwards last year. Cork exposed some weaknesses in their game the last day and they look just as vulnerable to a running game as we do.
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Post by ansúilleabhánach on Aug 11, 2014 11:23:04 GMT
No way can the Kerry-Dubs semi last year be called an 8 point game, or 7 as it was! There was nothing in it with 70 minutes on the clock when 2 crucial breaks went Dublin's way and then an outstanding goal as good as ended the game. Kerry definitely played better in that game than Mayo did in the final. Mayo were out of it in the 2nd half but for one slip by Dublin which allowed them a goal and having to carry two injured players at the end which allowed Mayo claw back scores from frees and prevented Dublin committing more to counter-attacks (O'Gara missed a great goal chance and Bastick made a very bad option that would otherwise have set up a point or a goal chance.) In contrast if Dec OS had put that chance over Kerry would have lead into injury time and 8 times out of 10 wouldn't have lost that ball at midfield that started the sequence that resulted in the goal. It is true that Mayo's form dipped in the All-I semi and did not recover, and they would have looked at that or at least with the recovery time needed from last year will have needed to aim to peak. That "8 times out of 10" ball was waiting to happen- Connolly and MDMA had been in that position, for Cluxton to kick to, about 5 times by then; Connolly had the freedom of the pitch, so the average is about right! All that you say may be true, but for the last 2 minutes of the semi-final the game was over. As soon as McMenamin scored it was over. Even if he'd scored a point it was over- our scoring rate had dried up completely by then; we were surviving, mainly thanks to our lightning conductor's sheer magnificence, off the most meagre of scraps. Whereas in the final, had the ref played on (he was within his rights to blow up, but so was Mr Gavin in the hurling- and he didn't) after O Connor's famous last free, Maigh Eo had to win the kick out, and they were one good pass away from (what would have been an undeserved) draw. So I'm afraid I'm sticking to my guns here!
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Post by haryegsnbaken on Aug 11, 2014 13:55:09 GMT
I would recommend that you watch the Mayo/Cork 1/4 Final again. There was a lot to like about the way Mayo turned over ball and the way they responded to the Cork comeback. For me this indicates a team that are experienced, clever, hard working, ambitious, hurting, proud and driven. All these things will be drawn upon to beat us. Whether it is enough is debateable, and we have this forum to debate it.
To be honest I would have settled for a semi final berth at the start of the year. The more we have progressed , the more I feel that Eamonn has his sights firmly set a little higher than mine.
We are without Gooch, Tomas, Paul, we are with James, Stephen, Paul Murphy, Moran, Killian and Peter Crowley. Our fade out last year was down to a few of the senior statesmen fading late on. That lesson has been learned, and I very much think "addressed".
If I had a tenner to spend on the match I would do a CAVAN on it and back them both for the AI 5/1 and 6/1 respectively. At least I would be on at 5/1 in the final at least :-) .
As far as the match itself is concerned .....With over 2 weeks to go....We'll see.
I watched the game Mayo v Cork game live and saw the highlights, sure Kerry turned over more ball against Cork, how are you so impressed with Mayo doing it and not Kerry. You say Mayo finished well, they barely hung on, 5 more minutes and they would have lost. Kerry finished well in the last 2 matches. People are giving Mayo far too much respect. We have a great chance and I would be suprised if we didnt beat them to be honest. Mayo are a good side not a great side, maybe its me and I do respect everybody is entitled to their opinions but we should not be afraid of this Mayo team. I make us Favourites, If we insist in farting around with the ball out of defence then it is game over. Mayo will turn us over in a blink of an eye and punish us. In times past Mayo would have folded against Cork. They did enough.
Yes Kerry turned over ball vs Cork and finished well in the last 2 games. I never said we did not.
If we don't give Mayo 100% respect then we will struggle. That doesn't mean I think we will lose.
I agree Mayo are not a great side but neither are we. We have the tools to beat them. I certainly do not fear them either but it will take a huge effort. I think it is well within our capabilities. If we get the wrong side of a reffing decision or 2 then this could be the difference. All things being equal then we are there with a great shout.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 11, 2014 14:30:49 GMT
The closer the game draws, "everything Kerry" will believe they will actually win the game.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 11, 2014 20:04:32 GMT
No way can the Kerry-Dubs semi last year be called an 8 point game, or 7 as it was! There was nothing in it with 70 minutes on the clock when 2 crucial breaks went Dublin's way and then an outstanding goal as good as ended the game. Kerry definitely played better in that game than Mayo did in the final. Mayo were out of it in the 2nd half but for one slip by Dublin which allowed them a goal and having to carry two injured players at the end which allowed Mayo claw back scores from frees and prevented Dublin committing more to counter-attacks (O'Gara missed a great goal chance and Bastick made a very bad option that would otherwise have set up a point or a goal chance.) In contrast if Dec OS had put that chance over Kerry would have lead into injury time and 8 times out of 10 wouldn't have lost that ball at midfield that started the sequence that resulted in the goal. It is true that Mayo's form dipped in the All-I semi and did not recover, and they would have looked at that or at least with the recovery time needed from last year will have needed to aim to peak. That "8 times out of 10" ball was waiting to happen- Connolly and MDMA had been in that position, for Cluxton to kick to, about 5 times by then; Connolly had the freedom of the pitch, so the average is about right! All that you say may be true, but for the last 2 minutes of the semi-final the game was over. As soon as McMenamin scored it was over. Even if he'd scored a point it was over- our scoring rate had dried up completely by then; we were surviving, mainly thanks to our lightning conductor's sheer magnificence, off the most meagre of scraps. Whereas in the final, had the ref played on (he was within his rights to blow up, but so was Mr Gavin in the hurling- and he didn't) after O Connor's famous last free, Maigh Eo had to win the kick out, and they were one good pass away from (what would have been an undeserved) draw. So I'm afraid I'm sticking to my guns here! From about the 20th minute onwards, Dublin got 2.10 and Kerry got 7 points
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 11, 2014 20:45:25 GMT
This was the 2008 U21 Munster final team. On that afternoon St Brendans Killarney narrowly lost the Hogan Cup final and Fionn Fitzgerald and James ODonoghue were playing with Fionn in particular having a massive game. Its amazing how some players make the transition to senior so much quicker than others.
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Post by fitz on Aug 11, 2014 22:22:00 GMT
The closer the game draws, "everything Kerry" will believe they will actually win the game. Absolutely and the only way. No point in "going up to the park" (9 year old Dub asked me that last year on semi day)and "giving it a shot". Respect the opponent, strategize to minimize their strengths, but focus on your own armory and how to show it off. Go out with the attitude, we're playing the third Sunday in September and defy anyone to take it from us. Everyone performing optimally, I know it's an 'if' and with all said, I think we can out score Mayo. I think also Aidan O'Shea is way over hyped. He is a fine footballer but very inconsistent, his brother doesn't get the credit he deserves. If ever there was a day for Anthony to have his boots with him along with sticky hands and granite shoulders the the 23rd looks like a good day for it.
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Post by The16thMan on Aug 12, 2014 3:33:22 GMT
This was the 2008 U21 Munster final team. On that afternoon St Brendans Killarney narrowly lost the Hogan Cup final and Fionn Fitzgerald and James ODonoghue were playing with Fionn in particular having a massive game. Its amazing how some players make the transition to senior so much quicker than others. Paddy Curran was a player with so much promise, he captained the minors to an All-Ireland Final in 2006 and was an outstanding player in the first game vs Roscommon that year. He was on The U21 panel for all 3 years I think and he somehow never broke onto the senior level and I haven't heard of him since. It bemuses me as to how players with so much talent coming through the intercounty ranks suddenly vanish from the radar such as Paddy Curran did
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Post by Premier on Aug 12, 2014 6:20:41 GMT
This was the 2008 U21 Munster final team. On that afternoon St Brendans Killarney narrowly lost the Hogan Cup final and Fionn Fitzgerald and James ODonoghue were playing with Fionn in particular having a massive game. Its amazing how some players make the transition to senior so much quicker than others. Paddy Curran was a player with so much promise, he captained the minors to an All-Ireland Final in 2006 and was an outstanding player in the first game vs Roscommon that year. He was on The U21 panel for all 3 years I think and he somehow never broke onto the senior level and I haven't heard of him since. It bemuses me as to how players with so much talent coming through the intercounty ranks suddenly vanish from the radar such as Paddy Curran did Two cruciates a few years ago tend to do that
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Aug 12, 2014 9:45:18 GMT
No way can the Kerry-Dubs semi last year be called an 8 point game, or 7 as it was! There was nothing in it with 70 minutes on the clock when 2 crucial breaks went Dublin's way and then an outstanding goal as good as ended the game. Kerry definitely played better in that game than Mayo did in the final. Mayo were out of it in the 2nd half but for one slip by Dublin which allowed them a goal and having to carry two injured players at the end which allowed Mayo claw back scores from frees and prevented Dublin committing more to counter-attacks (O'Gara missed a great goal chance and Bastick made a very bad option that would otherwise have set up a point or a goal chance.) In contrast if Dec OS had put that chance over Kerry would have lead into injury time and 8 times out of 10 wouldn't have lost that ball at midfield that started the sequence that resulted in the goal. It is true that Mayo's form dipped in the All-I semi and did not recover, and they would have looked at that or at least with the recovery time needed from last year will have needed to aim to peak. That "8 times out of 10" ball was waiting to happen- Connolly and MDMA had been in that position, for Cluxton to kick to, about 5 times by then; Connolly had the freedom of the pitch, so the average is about right! All that you say may be true, but for the last 2 minutes of the semi-final the game was over. As soon as McMenamin scored it was over. Even if he'd scored a point it was over- our scoring rate had dried up completely by then; we were surviving, mainly thanks to our lightning conductor's sheer magnificence, off the most meagre of scraps. Whereas in the final, had the ref played on (he was within his rights to blow up, but so was Mr Gavin in the hurling- and he didn't) after O Connor's famous last free, Maigh Eo had to win the kick out, and they were one good pass away from (what would have been an undeserved) draw. So I'm afraid I'm sticking to my guns here! First of all, the time was more than up by about 45 seconds. And secondly, Flynner won the kickout. Kerry will beat Mayo, no question of doubt about it in my mind. Mayo might get a lead, but unlike Cork, once Kerry get back into it they won't be overpowered late in the game. Because Kerry are clearly better than Cork currently, in terms of organisation, and mentality at least, and the conviction/form of one or two of their best forwards.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 12, 2014 12:28:50 GMT
rashers. do you have any insight into the thinking of Corportae Park in 2014. In other words, do they think its safe enough to let the Dubs try to it on their own without Joe this year?
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 12, 2014 12:39:57 GMT
rashers. do you have any insight into the thinking of Corportae Park in 2014. In other words, do they think its safe enough to let the Dubs try to it on their own without Joe this year? Oh for God's sake. Dublin are winning their games by an average of 15 points this year. Have you any gripe with last year's SF? - because I don't.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Aug 12, 2014 13:07:37 GMT
rashers. do you have any insight into the thinking of Corportae Park in 2014. In other words, do they think its safe enough to let the Dubs try to it on their own without Joe this year? I hear that if Dublin reach the final this year there's a national emergency action plan to move the final to Killarney with a culchie as referee and only The Kerryman Irish Independent & Weeshie Fogarty covering it and the stadium otherwise locked down. The Sky's the limit
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Post by sullyschoice on Aug 12, 2014 13:24:07 GMT
I hear Seamus Aldridge is back in training.
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Post by glengael on Aug 12, 2014 14:45:45 GMT
This was the 2008 U21 Munster final team. On that afternoon St Brendans Killarney narrowly lost the Hogan Cup final and Fionn Fitzgerald and James ODonoghue were playing with Fionn in particular having a massive game. Its amazing how some players make the transition to senior so much quicker than others. Would all of that panel still be playing football at some level or other, say at Club (Apart obviously from Jimmy Falvey RIP). I know there's a lot of obvious names there but I'd be curious to know what happened to some of the others. Kerry v Mayo. I'll be getting the motor serviced this week and packing the flask and sandwiches in anticipation of a long drive on the day.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Aug 12, 2014 16:07:32 GMT
Those old programs nail it in terms of career progression, I wonder what trends they throw up. Looks like less than 20% move between the grades. I bet our back-room boys know what is going on, well I hope. What an interesting thread this could be if we had some insight.
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Post by Jigz84 on Aug 12, 2014 16:21:51 GMT
The closer the game draws, "everything Kerry" will believe they will actually win the game. Absolutely and the only way. No point in "going up to the park" (9 year old Dub asked me that last year on semi day)and "giving it a shot". Respect the opponent, strategize to minimize their strengths, but focus on your own armory and how to show it off. Go out with the attitude, we're playing the third Sunday in September and defy anyone to take it from us. Everyone performing optimally, I know it's an 'if' and with all said, I think we can out score Mayo. I think also Aidan O'Shea is way over hyped. He is a fine footballer but very inconsistent, his brother doesn't get the credit he deserves. If ever there was a day for Anthony to have his boots with him along with sticky hands and granite shoulders the the 23rd looks like a good day for it. I'd prefer if he showed up on the 24th Agree with you 100% on O'Shea. His brother shined in the Semi and Final last year when Aidan decided to go hiding. This guy can be got at and has a history of going walkabouts when it really matters. That might change Sunday week but he can be horsed out of it alright if Kerry play their cards right.
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Post by Jigz84 on Aug 12, 2014 16:25:13 GMT
rashers. do you have any insight into the thinking of Corportae Park in 2014. In other words, do they think its safe enough to let the Dubs try to it on their own without Joe this year? Joe is taking the Dubs v Donegal Semi and Coldrick is reffing our game. Probably leaves Kinsella, Reilly or Deegan for the Final.
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Post by keane on Aug 12, 2014 16:30:42 GMT
Is the Kieran Brennan guy from Castleisland still playing? Remember thinking he looked like a monster when he played minor.
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Post by onlykerry on Aug 12, 2014 16:41:38 GMT
Transitioning from minor/underage to senior is the most difficult step of all. Many great and talented minors have never made it to the senior ranks. Then every so often a batch come through together. The 1975 minor team is a case in point. Any pattern to those that don't make the transition?
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 12, 2014 16:50:06 GMT
Transitioning from minor/underage to senior is the most difficult step of all. Many great and talented minors have never made it to the senior ranks. Then every so often a batch come through together. The 1975 minor team is a case in point. Any pattern to those that don't make the transition? Many love the sauce.
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Post by buck02 on Aug 12, 2014 16:53:14 GMT
Is the Kieran Brennan guy from Castleisland still playing? Remember thinking he looked like a monster when he played minor. Yes but has had a lot of injuries in the last few years. He plays anywhere in the forward line and drops out to midfield too of they need him.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 12, 2014 18:00:44 GMT
rashers. do you have any insight into the thinking of Corportae Park in 2014. In other words, do they think its safe enough to let the Dubs try to it on their own without Joe this year? Joe is taking the Dubs v Donegal Semi and Coldrick is reffing our game. Probably leaves Kinsella, Reilly or Deegan for the Final. Seriously? the Dubs got their own personal in-house ref again?
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Post by Corner Back on Aug 12, 2014 19:40:45 GMT
Joe is taking the Dubs v Donegal Semi and Coldrick is reffing our game. Probably leaves Kinsella, Reilly or Deegan for the Final. Seriously? the Dubs got their own personal in-house ref again? Good old uncle Joe was always going to be wheeled out for the Dubs hardest game of the year
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Post by ourdreamwillnotdie on Aug 12, 2014 20:13:48 GMT
A long time reader of this forum, some fantastic posters well informed and firmly grounded.
Lads and lassies ,im looking forward to our encounter with ye in a couple of weeks time but im not at all confident . As some one has already alluded to on this thread , Mayo are a long time on the road now, we are a tired outfit and i dont think theres a lot left in the tank .
I know its obvious to point out the likes of JOD as the dangerman but i dread to think what he will do to our bucks if he gets on the ball , which he will, his strike rate is incredible.
Look we go up in hope (albeit some of our summer fans will think its only startin and will be shouting the usual mayo4sam rubbish) rather than anything else but we might not lie down as easy as other games since 97.
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Post by thirteen on Aug 12, 2014 22:07:20 GMT
Visiting site for first time. Mayo supporter. Its like fort knox signing up!! I'm looking forward to the 24th. It's been an awful long time since we beat Kerry in championship (1996) so we owe you one at this stage :-) I have a feeling Cork kept their powder dry in Munster Final then hoped to catch Mayo cold in the QF. Kerry did what they had to do against Galway, no more and no less. I think it will be another close encounter, with Mayo winning by 2 in the end. Question for all supporters, name the strongest and weakest lines for both teams....PS safe travels to all going to the game
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Post by Ballyfireside on Aug 13, 2014 0:23:08 GMT
Same 4 teams left in Senior and Minor, also same semi pairings.
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Post by lár na páirce on Aug 13, 2014 10:31:58 GMT
I would imagine AOM will be picking up Aidan O Shea on the 40. O'Shea has not great pace and AOM will match him in the physical stakes.
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