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Post by mossie on Aug 5, 2014 17:00:08 GMT
He is. McHugh didn't explain himself well on the sunday game. He is rowing back now. He knows he messed up. I don't think there is any sinister motive over and above the explanation McHugh has given. McHugh is a media analyst for years and I don't think he had any history of saying anything but praise for the Gooch until Sunday night. He shouldn't have used the words he used but frankly some of the words used to describe McHugh here on this site are worse. Kerry folk should remember that maybe some of our own analysts have made remarks towards other players that werent always perceived as appropriate and were deemed out of order by many.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Aug 5, 2014 17:03:28 GMT
The horse has un-bolted, Martin accepts he got it wrong. Maybe he was up to a trick himself and it backfired. To be fair, nobody could label an all time great as such. And a trickster is not Gooch, he is as honest a footballer as you will find.
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Post by mossie on Aug 5, 2014 17:08:25 GMT
mchughs comments has had the desired effect, he is the talk of all gaa people since he made them. now what paper is his column in ?. after all making daft comments has worked for brolly and hayes. what was paul galvins comment "you can throw a blanket over them all and only end up with a few medals", very apt. look Kerry are the only county that has players with bags of all Ireland medals and bags of all Ireland medals don't necessarily mean you are good as a media analyst either. Also I don't agree that McHugh is the talk of the GAA this week. Spoke to several GAA people from different counties last 2 days looking forward to Kerry v Mayo and the other big hurling and football games. McHugh's comments were scarcely mentioned. McHugh messed up - he has acknowledged that he has. Time to move on. People here bit fast to have a cut off McHugh or got a bit too cutting in their comments He was more than a two trick pony player himself. Very clever, good passer, hardy as well. Won his all Ireland and not many in the last 60 years have managed Cavan to an Ulster title.
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Post by donegalman on Aug 5, 2014 17:14:47 GMT
I have to jump in here, as someone who is from donegal and has obviously an opinion on the background to all of this. McHugh is a man who wants to sell papers on a monday. That is all there is to it.
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Post by seamo on Aug 5, 2014 17:20:22 GMT
mchughs comments has had the desired effect, he is the talk of all gaa people since he made them. now what paper is his column in ?. after all making daft comments has worked for brolly and hayes. what was paul galvins comment "you can throw a blanket over them all and only end up with a few medals", very apt. look Kerry are the only county that has players with bags of all Ireland medals and bags of all Ireland medals don't necessarily mean you are good as a media analyst either. Also I don't agree that McHugh is the talk of the GAA this week. Spoke to several GAA people from different counties last 2 days looking forward to Kerry v Mayo and the other big hurling and football games. McHugh's comments were scarcely mentioned. McHugh messed up - he has acknowledged that he has. Time to move on. People here bit fast to have a cut off McHugh or got a bit too cutting in their comments He was more than a two trick pony player himself. Very clever, good passer, hardy as well. Won his all Ireland and not many in the last 60 years have managed Cavan to an Ulster title. A little hypocritical there, no? Given how you said number of medals doesn't equate to being a good analyst, I don't see what McHuge abilities as a footballer has to do with anything? He is now an analyst (well paid?) on national tv, if the guy can't put across his views without insulting someone who is completely outside of the topic, than he shouldn't be there. If he wants to say JOD is the greatest, than fine. But why bring Cooper into it? Why label Cooper a two trick pony. Managing Cavan to something doesn't entitle you to start putting people down on national tv. Sharon ni Bheolain is so damn fine, much better looking than that manky old mule Graine Seoige ( ;)just making a point Grainne, no need to sue!)
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 5, 2014 17:35:05 GMT
McHugh seems to be blaming "live television" as if its a new fangled thing that he never encountered before. Television is the most powerful medium and you should respect it when you are on a programme like TSG with its vast viewership. Maybe he is being told to make amends, who knows, or perhaps he is afraid that he might not get called back. It seems to me that McHugh, Spillane and Brolly are attention seekers who don't care who they offend as long at they get the gig and the loot.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 5, 2014 18:11:12 GMT
I think people have grown tired of the gob*ery on offer from the Sunday game. Many of them seem to be doing a lot of retracting of moronic comments lately. *ing clowns, of course the chair does little for TSG these days. Hardly a much watch programme anymore.
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Post by buck02 on Aug 5, 2014 18:23:59 GMT
Making such a comment on national TV about a player who is out for a year with a horrible injury and might have other things on his mind also says a lot about the type of person McHugh is.
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Post by southward on Aug 5, 2014 19:35:06 GMT
Lads, if ye don't mind me saying, I think having this debate at all is demeaning to JOD, to Gooch, to Kerry football and to Kerry supporters. Some guy on TV makes a comment, so what ? It won't cost us the AI and Gooch's legacy doesn't need defending from anyone.
I mean seriously, have we not got bigger fish to fry ?
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Post by fitz on Aug 5, 2014 20:45:33 GMT
Lads, if ye don't mind me saying, I think having this debate at all is demeaning to JOD, to Gooch, to Kerry football and to Kerry supporters. Some guy on TV makes a comment, so what ? It won't cost us the AI and Gooch's legacy doesn't need defending from anyone. I mean seriously, have we not got bigger fish to fry ? With 3 weeks to kill Southy, not really The problem with this I believe is the premeditated nature of it, a remark like that does not come off the cuff, under no heat from a debate, so dander would not have been up. Of course Gooch needs no defending from such an ill founded remark, but it was shhnakey cheap shot from whatever motivation. The biggest gripe I have is that he is able to make such a remark with a potentially very large audience,among which might be people who know little about football and possibly little about Colm, yet they might now associate Gooch with two trick pony, and that is besmirching of his character, whether folks thing it trivial or otherwise, it's also being obtuse regarding being mindful and respectful of the serious power of media. It's made worse by the injury, but that's just an unfortunate symptom and disconnected I feel to the main issue of the comment
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Post by mossie on Aug 5, 2014 21:15:13 GMT
look Kerry are the only county that has players with bags of all Ireland medals and bags of all Ireland medals don't necessarily mean you are good as a media analyst either. Also I don't agree that McHugh is the talk of the GAA this week. Spoke to several GAA people from different counties last 2 days looking forward to Kerry v Mayo and the other big hurling and football games. McHugh's comments were scarcely mentioned. McHugh messed up - he has acknowledged that he has. Time to move on. People here bit fast to have a cut off McHugh or got a bit too cutting in their comments He was more than a two trick pony player himself. Very clever, good passer, hardy as well. Won his all Ireland and not many in the last 60 years have managed Cavan to an Ulster title. A little hypocritical there, no? Given how you said number of medals doesn't equate to being a good analyst, I don't see what McHuge abilities as a footballer has to do with anything? He is now an analyst (well paid?) on national tv, if the guy can't put across his views without insulting someone who is completely outside of the topic, than he shouldn't be there. If he wants to say JOD is the greatest, than fine. But why bring Cooper into it? Why label Cooper a two trick pony. Managing Cavan to something doesn't entitle you to start putting people down on national tv. Sharon ni Bheolain is so damn fine, much better looking than that manky old mule Graine Seoige ( ;)just making a point Grainne, no need to sue!) I don't think its hypocritical. I pointed out some of his achievements as some people are posting as if Martin McHugh is a footballing nobody and have used pretty derogatory language towards him Look the man has come out and said what he said on the Sunday game doesn't stack up. He messed up and has acknowledged it. Time to let this one go.
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Post by seamo on Aug 5, 2014 21:23:13 GMT
A little hypocritical there, no? Given how you said number of medals doesn't equate to being a good analyst, I don't see what McHuge abilities as a footballer has to do with anything? He is now an analyst (well paid?) on national tv, if the guy can't put across his views without insulting someone who is completely outside of the topic, than he shouldn't be there. If he wants to say JOD is the greatest, than fine. But why bring Cooper into it? Why label Cooper a two trick pony. Managing Cavan to something doesn't entitle you to start putting people down on national tv. Sharon ni Bheolain is so damn fine, much better looking than that manky old mule Graine Seoige ( ;)just making a point Grainne, no need to sue!) I don't think its hypocritical. I pointed out some of his achievements as some people are posting as if Martin McHugh is a footballing nobody and have used pretty derogatory language towards him Look the man has come out and said what he said on the Sunday game doesn't stack up. He messed up and has acknowledged it. Time to let this one go. Whatever he did on the field doesn't entitle him to shoot his mouth off on national tv. And to say he's acknowledge it, let it go etc is all well and good now, but it's now tuesday so people are perfectly entitled to have a go at him on the Monday. If him getting a tough time here is too much for you, well... and if it's too much for McHuge than he could just remove himself from the comfy side earner that is TSG. Gooch on the other hand can't do much to avoid such abuse, I mean he ain't even playing and he has to cop crap like this.
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Post by mossie on Aug 5, 2014 21:41:59 GMT
I don't think its hypocritical. I pointed out some of his achievements as some people are posting as if Martin McHugh is a footballing nobody and have used pretty derogatory language towards him Look the man has come out and said what he said on the Sunday game doesn't stack up. He messed up and has acknowledged it. Time to let this one go. Whatever he did on the field doesn't entitle him to shoot his mouth off on national tv. And to say he's acknowledge it, let it go etc is all well and good now, but it's now tuesday so people are perfectly entitled to have a go at him on the Monday. If him getting a tough time here is too much for you, well... and if it's too much for McHuge than he could just remove himself from the comfy side earner that is TSG. Gooch on the other hand can't do much to avoid such abuse, I mean he ain't even playing and he has to cop crap like this. Plenty before him have said as bad and worse on TSG including Kerry analysts. Not all of them came out afterwards and said what they said doesn't stack up. Hey I never said what he achieved on the field of play entitled him to mouth off. I am pointing out to some of those that question his footballing pedigree that he did achieve quite a bit. The man *ed up and he has admitted as much. I am cutting him a bit of slack. That doesn't make me a McHugh lover or mean that I dont rate the Gooch. He is one of the greatest of them all.
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Post by mossie on Aug 5, 2014 21:45:40 GMT
I think people have grown tired of the gob*ery on offer from the Sunday game. Many of them seem to be doing a lot of retracting of moronic comments lately. *ing clowns, of course the chair does little for TSG these days. Hardly a much watch programme anymore. The Sunday Game day and evening show is gone beyond stale. All the same old faces - anchors and commentators are as bad as the analysts. The likes of Dara O'Cinneide, Eoghan McDevitt, Ger Gilroy really need to be brought in to spice it up a bit. I d love to see Dara get a shot at it. His Seo Spoirt show on TG4 is just superb
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 5, 2014 22:03:31 GMT
The evening SG show is contrived, probably the main reason Cinneide walked!
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Post by sidelined on Aug 5, 2014 22:34:07 GMT
credit where credit is due, fair play to mchugh for explaining himself today and not digging his heels in. time to move on to what really matters on the field.
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Post by fitz on Aug 5, 2014 22:45:54 GMT
Regardless of any backtrack, excuse etc, I would love to know why he said it, I think there's more than selling papers at play. It's clearly a failing on my part but I don't like him and don't wish to see further evidence from the defence counsel, never have, he's anti-Kerry in my view, am using the 'sticking with the gut instinct' algorithm. Add him into the box next time with Tom Tom Carr and Marty, a combination that might blow the periodic table apart.
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Post by Chinatown on Aug 6, 2014 10:49:10 GMT
I started this one and happy if mods want to shut it down. Like many have said more important points to focus on
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