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Post by Tadhgeen on Jul 20, 2014 21:15:50 GMT
Does anybody think that the 4 steps rule is being overlooked by many referees? Are coaches coaching an extra step or two or three out of their players particularly when entering 'tackle zone' at speed.
In the Dublin v Meath game today I saw a few instances where more than 4 steps were taken with at least one instance resulting in a goal and another resulting in a scored free for the ball carrier.
My own view is that some teams are better at getting away with this than others and I have commented previously on the 'falling into the tackle' to win a free which is rife in the game.
Come on referees and other match day officials - sort it out, it's important! Controlling the ball when at speed and carrying out an action on the ball within every 4 steps is an integral skill of our game.
A question on a similar topic for ye, how long can a player hold on to a ball (without hopping , solo etc.) before he is adjudged to be holding on too long and a free against awarded?
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Post by seamo on Jul 20, 2014 21:25:06 GMT
It's been going on for as long as Alan Brogan has been hoping a ball at senior intercounty level!!! lol
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Post by sidelined on Jul 20, 2014 22:00:57 GMT
today in clones it was rampant, players running into tackles,taking 4 or 5 strides to break the tackle and then play the ball again. micheal murphy must have taken ten steps every time he was running with the ball. maybe deegan had enough to do to keep a lid on things than bother with it.
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Post by stuckintipp on Jul 22, 2014 19:41:23 GMT
Remember that kevin Mcmenamin goal in 2011, 8/9 steps were taken in the build up. It's been happening for a while
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Post by southward on Jul 23, 2014 16:53:25 GMT
Not that I'd be any authority on it, but some of the handpassing in the hurling recently looks a bit suspect. Maybe lads are just so quick at it that it's hard to see a striking motion sometimes ?
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jul 26, 2014 13:46:45 GMT
A red herring coming down the tracks like Cork hurlers' 20m frees. I've seen lads take 20 steps but there is a point at which over carrying is obvious, maybe when there is little else going on apart from him running with the ball. Refs are quick when he is surrounded and if he doesn't use it he looses it to a free against him. Refs can favour teams if the rules are wide open to interpretation so yes, as I said, watch it coming down the tracks, maybe when JO'D takes an extra step before nailing Sam for us by blowing a hole in the net with the last kick of the game and exploding The Hill, to a deafening silence.
Slán go foil a chairde ó Contae an Chiarraí
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Post by ansúilleabhánach on Jul 29, 2014 15:18:23 GMT
Bad enough in football, but hurling is destroyed with it. What astonishes me is the inability/refusal of commentators and analysts to highlight it.
In one incident v Port Láirge last year Jackie Tyrrell lost his camán and took 12 steps whilst barging head down into his marker, who did everything right (stood his ground, hands out, no holding). Free out and paeans of praise for An Tioralach on the telly. Says it all.
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Post by themanhimself on Aug 5, 2014 14:15:55 GMT
as far as i know the ''Rule of thumb'' is between 4-7 steps from talking to local refs
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Post by Tadhgeen on Aug 9, 2014 19:47:12 GMT
Watch the number of steps taken in the lead up to both Dublin goals........ not saying it would have changed the outcome but.......
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 10, 2014 0:21:59 GMT
Not too vexed about steps...but is charging not in the rulebook any more?
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Post by glengael on Aug 10, 2014 17:41:31 GMT
Apparently not.
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Post by gmk on Aug 11, 2014 13:35:24 GMT
I did a bit of reffing -mainly hurling (in Tipp) and I found it the hardest rule of all to police
You look at the player giving the ball - did he pass fairly/ was he tackled after ball - grand
Then you look at player receiving ball - did he get there fairly
Next thing he has ball and your asking a whole lot of other questions - is his marker holding on to him / is that shoulder ok / what's going on ahead / am I in a good position to see a possible shot / is there impeding going on etc etc
Next thing someone shouts steps & your saying to yourself I thing he took 3 pr 4 so far, but I'm not certain, I'll give him another 2 & then call it
If I get away with this - I must try to count from beginning of next play & you might do that & then miss something more blatant.
Bottom line counting steps was not high on my list of priorities unless very blatant
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Post by Jigz84 on Aug 11, 2014 16:22:33 GMT
Never mind the steps, the amount of illegal handpasses in both games Saturday was staggering, and none penalised. Murphy threw a beautiful pass that any scrum half would be proud of in the first half.
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