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Post by animal on Jul 7, 2014 9:03:18 GMT
First post in a long time.....
It would seem we are likely to play whoever wins in the final qualifier between the runner up in Connacht and one of the teams in the "A" side of the qualifiers. that is presuming that Cork get it together to come through their qualifier (no guarantees there after yesterday). There is no doubt that that is the easier side of the draw.
Am I correct in the above assertion?
Back to yesterday. First off Cork were abysmal. Nobody expected a showing like that. Kerry fair dues kept their eyes on the prize and did a thorough professional job on them. One of the most impressive aspects for me was the response to the four consecutive points from Cork either side of half time. The way the second half started it looked like a case of here we go again and I was inspecting my fingernails to see if they would be up to the rest of the match. Thankfully unlike previous encounters we put the rebel resurgence to bed without supper and a smacked arse to go with it.
Highlights? James O'Donoghue was unmarkable. Utter class. Brian Sheehan's point from an almost impossible angle was Fitzy-esque. The display of Declan. He tends to save his best for Cork and yesterday he was terrific combining the best of Galvin and Cooper. It was a more withdrawn sweeper / quarter back role that he seemed to revel in. Hats off to Eamon on that one. Johnny Buckley will have silenced a few doubters. Paul Geaney in the first half was excellent.
Whatever happens later in the summer we will have this game to look back on. For that I am grateful. Three Munster title sin five days. That'll do nicely.
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Jul 7, 2014 9:04:05 GMT
Declan O'Sullivan has been reborn!
That is all.
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Post by sidelined on Jul 7, 2014 9:11:41 GMT
Declan O'Sullivan has been reborn! That is all. maybe it was me but when i saw all the strapping and bandages on him i thought we were in for a hiding!
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Post by kot on Jul 7, 2014 9:27:57 GMT
Ireland must be out of the recession and its great to see. . . . Even the demolition crew got started ahead of schedule on Pairc Uí Chaoimh.
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Post by kot on Jul 7, 2014 9:45:56 GMT
On a serious note, lets not get too carried away. I think I am not wrong in saying it is our biggest win in Cork since the first round in 1992. We hammered Cork by 10 points and there was whispers of us learning from the mistakes against Down the year before, being wiser for Croke Park etc. In effect, getting ahead of ourselves. Next game we got a fright against Limerick, warnings were not headed and some people didn't see the reality in front of them and we were humbled by Clare.
Yesterday was unbelievable and pretty much everything that could go right, went right. Our players were up for it and for the first time in a long time, I can scarily remember a Kerryman making a wrong decision in possession aside from a couple of bad wides which you can't fault fellas for. Everyone of the players and management deserve all the praise and should enjoy it accordingly but will we come up against a side this year (or any year in fact) as abject as Cork were. I still can't believe how pathetic they were in front of their own fans in their last home Munster final for a few years. Being quite frank, they should be ashamed of themselves and should all apologise to their hardcore fans.
Back to ourselves and what lies ahead. We are still without the best player in the history of the game probably. We still are very thin on the ground at the back line with possibly only Crowley to come in there you might say.
Great performance by our midfield but we have had the edge over Cork in midfield for a couple of years now. I guess the big thing is, where are we against the benchmark, Dublin? To be honest, we are still a a bit, but not as far as we thought, off.
There is no way Gavin would have let any Dublin defender on O'Dongoghue as long as Shields was or not changed tactics after 20 mins when it was clear plan A wasn't working. Also, I don't think even the most optimistic green & gold tinted spec wearer could think our lads at midfield will bully McCauley, Sullivan etc the way they bullied yesterday. And obviously, Marc / Aidan & few more are unlikely to get as easy a ride on the battle weary bones as they had yesterday.
Johnny Buckley to remain at wing forward from now on? What was the most pleasing yesterday (apart from the sublime score taking and tenacious defending) was our lads moving the ball fast not with tons of fist passing, but sharp direct kick passes with plenty of movement from the forwards. Whether we will be allowed the time & space to execute that in further games remains to be seen.
One final point, it was great to see Declan O Sullivan back to his spellbinding best. A great servant to the county and man who always keeps coming back through good times & bad.
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Post by kerry4life on Jul 7, 2014 10:15:56 GMT
The best thing about yesterday is we have a future. It was great to see the young lads flying around for the full 70 minutes. Its the way the game is gone. Its the only way we can seriously contest the Dubs when the time comes. We had a strong bench as well which is very important in the modern game. Tomas and Galvin were all stars and will always be remembered but in a way its good they are gone because when we were beat with them its was hard to see how we can move on and improve for the future. But now even if we get beat this year we will know our young players will have experience gained and can be better for it. I was so happy with the win but far happier to see the new guys being able to preform to such a high level in such a huge game against the odds. I was very happy to see we managed to kill the game off and were ruthless when the time came and this was due to the fact we played for 70 mins unlike other years when the legs went in the second half and we left teams back into the game. Also it was great to see that big high ball into the square tactic was non existent. Eamon and the back room team had everything perfect yesterday and deserve huge credit for our best win since the Tyrone game a couple of years ago. Now is the time to push on and hopefully Kerry can play consistently for 70 mins, which they now proved they can and have a great bench to make sure of it. This could be the start of a new era, and over next year or 2 if we can start adding 1 0r 2 every year we can keep it fresh and take our place on the top of the food chain again. Saying that if we can make it to the 3rd Sunday of September after a couple of more big performances and we would all be quietly confident, but not to get too far ahead of ourselves just yet, but after yesterday performances its hard not be excited about the future. Ill see ye all in the Gresham for a wee pint early morning 21st September
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Post by aitelads2 on Jul 7, 2014 10:26:12 GMT
Well done to Shane Enright, Johnny Buckley, Declan O'Sullivan and James O Donoghue who made the team of the week this week! Comhghairdeas
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Post by alex on Jul 7, 2014 10:42:25 GMT
We all were critical when they closed the doors of the training sessions but they can throw away the key now if they can keep up displays like this.There was a freshness about the Kerry tactics yesterday and full credit must go to the background setup.The Kerry defence was well on top for the majority of the game save for the ten minutes either side of half time. The tactic of Declan O'Sullivan acting as a deep playmaker was the making of this game and the Cork boys had no answer for this. Where we go from here is up in the air a bit but one thing for sure is that all the other counties are shaking in their boots again
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Post by athletics on Jul 7, 2014 11:09:08 GMT
Well done to Fitz and management. A great day to be supporting the green and gold.. Just one question can Kerry meet Cork in an All Ireland quarter finals if Cork come through the qualifiers?
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Post by buck02 on Jul 7, 2014 11:19:05 GMT
I'm sure Eamon Fitzmaurice will realise this morning that in a months time, following a lacklustre display in the 1/4 final in which we'll win by 5 or 6 points, most of the team will be branded useless and the sideline should stay in the glass box.
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Jul 7, 2014 11:26:57 GMT
It was a great win, but I don't think anyone will be getting carried away. No other team will give Kerry the room we enjoyed yesterday between midfield and the forward line. There was oceans of space yesterday. Cork were beaten at half time and, outside of the first 5 minutes, didn't show up in the second half.
Not trying to be negative, just realistic. We'll know where this team is at when we get to Croker. But we're there and glad of the fact.
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Post by kerryexile on Jul 7, 2014 12:05:08 GMT
I agree with that. It was a great win and we can enjoy it, and all the more because it was a very traditional style of running and point taking. But when we start looking towards the August bank holiday weekend we must be careful. . The fact that Cork imploded is reflected in the 12 point win. I thought Kerry would win by 4 or 5 points. If Cork had put in a decent performance Kerry would have won by maybe 6 to 9 points and this is the way we must measure Kerry. We have some great young players and the strategy of resting Declan during the winter has worked perfectly. Our bench is also starting to look stronger. Regardless of what the bookies say, in reality we are now probably the second favourites to Dublin. The runners up in Connacht and Munster meet winners of Laois v Tipperary or Sligo v Limerick – draw to be made to see who plays who. Based on this Kerry’s next game is almost certain to be against Galway or Cork. This game we can look forward to with optimism. After that the traditional arrangement kicks in and it is a Munster v Connacht year so if Mayo keep winning then it’s them in the semi-final. We can beat them but we will not get space we got yesterday and James O’Donaghue will be treble marked. The other forwards will have to take advantage of that.
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Post by peekaboo on Jul 7, 2014 12:46:04 GMT
Well done to to our 3 teams who did us proud and especially well done to Shane Enright Johnny Bukley Declan o Sullivan and James o Donoghue on inclusion in G A A team of the week Kerry football is looking up!!!
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Post by Jigz84 on Jul 7, 2014 12:47:29 GMT
Oh ye of little faith and there were plenty of ye on here and around the county beforehand. I was confident of the win going up but blown away by the performance. Superb all over the field, only crib is that only Moran and possibly Darran added anything when they came in.
Great day to be a Kerryman in the Páirc and the roar that went up when Sheehan put that free over in the second half from the Kerry crowd that bothered travelling was huge.
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Post by Dermot on Jul 7, 2014 12:49:46 GMT
Well done Kerry ... Yez certainly have a spring in your step .. Certainly a better overall outfit than I thought you had .... J O'D is just brilliant and he's enjoying himself out there .. Seems even better than last year !!
Back in the mix again .. Fair play !!
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Post by haryegsnbaken on Jul 7, 2014 13:16:41 GMT
I think what this win will give the whole squad is absolutely priceless. The negativity that was around before hand surely had to seep into this squad.
Imagine if you were Peter Crowley or Mark Griffin or anyone else on the periphery, what you would be prepared to do in training over the next couple of weeks??
All of a sudden there will be more competition for places and an all round feel good factor. It can only be good going forward.
I certainly would not be getting too carried away, but an AI Semi Final has to be the least we can expect from this bunch now.?
With the young guns bedding in nicely that cant be too bad? Especially with the "Corn Gan Ainm" in the bag.
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Post by haryegsnbaken on Jul 7, 2014 13:22:14 GMT
lol Don't think that's known yet, and I presume it won't be decided until qualifiers move into final round? Either the Saturday or the Monday of the bank holiday weekend it seems, with Ulster and Leinster provincial winners in action the following week: www.gaa.ie/fixtures-and-results/national-fixtures/gaa-football-all-ireland-senior-championship/Enjoyed the day out in Cork today, certainly defied expectations. Atmosphere so-so for a provincial final but well done to players and management, a fit and hungry bunch...and the minors well geed up too!
Thanks for that Bily. Have I missed something or has the First Sunday in Aug fallen off the Calendar LOL ?
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Post by skybluezone on Jul 7, 2014 14:03:10 GMT
On a serious note, lets not get too carried away. I think I am not wrong in saying it is our biggest win in Cork since the first round in 1992. We hammered Cork by 10 points and there was whispers of us learning from the mistakes against Down the year before, being wiser for Croke Park etc. In effect, getting ahead of ourselves. Next game we got a fright against Limerick, warnings were not headed and some people didn't see the reality in front of them and we were humbled by Clare. Yesterday was unbelievable and pretty much everything that could go right, went right. Our players were up for it and for the first time in a long time, I can scarily remember a Kerryman making a wrong decision in possession aside from a couple of bad wides which you can't fault fellas for. Everyone of the players and management deserve all the praise and should enjoy it accordingly but will we come up against a side this year (or any year in fact) as abject as Cork were. I still can't believe how pathetic they were in front of their own fans in their last home Munster final for a few years. Being quite frank, they should be ashamed of themselves and should all apologise to their hardcore fans. Back to ourselves and what lies ahead. We are still without the best player in the history of the game probably. We still are very thin on the ground at the back line with possibly only Crowley to come in there you might say. Great performance by our midfield but we have had the edge over Cork in midfield for a couple of years now. I guess the big thing is, where are we against the benchmark, Dublin? To be honest, we are still a a bit, but not as far as we thought, off. There is no way Gavin would have let any Dublin defender on O'Dongoghue as long as Shields was or not changed tactics after 20 mins when it was clear plan A wasn't working. Also, I don't think even the most optimistic green & gold tinted spec wearer could think our lads at midfield will bully McCauley, Sullivan etc the way they bullied yesterday. And obviously, Marc / Aidan & few more are unlikely to get as easy a ride on the battle weary bones as they had yesterday. Johnny Buckley to remain at wing forward from now on? What was the most pleasing yesterday (apart from the sublime score taking and tenacious defending) was our lads moving the ball fast not with tons of fist passing, but sharp direct kick passes with plenty of movement from the forwards. Whether we will be allowed the time & space to execute that in further games remains to be seen. One final point, it was great to see Declan O Sullivan back to his spellbinding best. A great servant to the county and man who always keeps coming back through good times & bad. Agree with nearly all of this. And to add that any day you come out of Cork with a Munster title in the bag is a good day. So well done on that score. I was firmly of the opinion that Declan O'Sullivan didn't deserve a place in this team as he had not done it when it counted for a very long time, maybe 2011 or even earlier. He put me back in me box yesterday, reinvented himself in a Mark McHugh type role and did it to perfection, always available for the ball and found space easily. O'Donoghue again proved what you all were saying, a quality act. Midfield tactically was excellent also. But jesus what about Cork? I was actually shocked at how poor they were. Had them down as 4-6 point winners based on their "potential". Well, it's still "potential" but not much more. I'm not sure if words like "spineless" and "disgrace" can be used in describing amateurs, but you'd be a while searching for the appropriate phrase to describe this effort if you took those 2 words out of the equation. What did we learn? That Cuthbert obviously suffers from a bit of Conor Counihan's disease, paralysed on the sideline. JOD running amok on Shields and he watching it unfold and taking no action. Likewise Cadogan was also tortured beside him, might answer a few questions in relation to the dual player role. Miles off the pace. Apart from guidance from the line, did the Cork backs ever think that if they were getting no joy marking from behind would they not be as well to try mark from the front? I can't remember one ball that a Cork defender was out in front for. What summed it up for me was an incident in the second half when a ball was played into the Kerry left corner forward side, JOD got there 5 yards in front of his marker, collected the ball, slipped and hit the deck, got up, turned inside, sized up his options and stuck it over the bar, all the while unmolested, as either James Loughrey or the centre back, not sure which it was, masqueraded as a marker. The midfield was interesting in so far as Cork had pre planned a tactic of their midfielders palming O'Halloran's kickouts down to a half back who was standing in close proximity. The key word in that sentence is "standing", as on nearly every occasion this tactic was tried a Kerry player came swooping in from the periphery of the action to claim the ball. If ever there was a definition of hunger in a sporting sense this was it. To answer my own question, I learned that I'll be putting a line through Cork as potential champions, that Kerry are better than I had anticipated, but how good they are will have to be judged on a 1/4 outing.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jul 7, 2014 14:20:03 GMT
Well done to Kerry, I for one didn't see that performance coming. While it must be said Kerry played well I thought Cork were a disgrace. Few if any of the players in red yesterday can say they gave it their all. Their was rumors a few months back that Cuthbert had lost the dressingroom and based on yesterdays 70 minutes I'd say they could be pretty true. Cork had the look of a team going through the motions and the lack of action on the side line seemed to reflect this.
All of Kerry's team played well. Enright did well on Hurley. We totally bossed the middle third and Declan played like a quarter back just pulling the strings and getting the men in the inside line dance to his tune. James O'Donoghue had the freedom of the park. His markers were so far off him it was laughable. At one stage in the second half he had time to make a cup of tea before he threw the ball over the bar.
Great win etc, etc but, In all honesty we beat a nothing team. I think we had a sterner test against Clare??
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Post by trevor73 on Jul 7, 2014 14:22:26 GMT
Surely we can't play Cork twice in a row ? Would we not be kept apart ?
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Post by bilythewalsh on Jul 7, 2014 14:48:43 GMT
Thanks for that Bily. Have I missed something or has the First Sunday in Aug fallen off the Calendar LOL ?
Had a look at Croke Park website and they have Sun 3 and Sat 9 pencilled in: www.crokepark.ie/Events/Upcoming-Events?page=3Nothing is ever clear when it comes to the quarter-finals and the available information from the GAA...I give up!
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Post by haryegsnbaken on Jul 7, 2014 14:58:02 GMT
Thanks for that Bily. Have I missed something or has the First Sunday in Aug fallen off the Calendar LOL ?
Had a look at Croke Park website and they have Sun 3 and Sat 9 pencilled in: www.crokepark.ie/Events/Upcoming-Events?page=3Nothing is ever clear when it comes to the quarter-finals and the available information from the GAA...I give up!
Ha ...I know....As clear as mud as always. If anyone gets any info early could ye post it up??
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Post by animal on Jul 7, 2014 15:15:34 GMT
If I were to bet on it I'd say there will be two double headers on consecutive Sundays with the Munster and Connacht champions' matches on the first Sunday ie Aug 3rd.
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Post by dabomber on Jul 7, 2014 15:28:45 GMT
If I were to bet on it I'd say there will be two double headers on consecutive Sundays with the Munster and Connacht champions' matches on the first Sunday ie Aug 3rd. I taught all the quarter finals used to be run over through the august bank hol weekend?
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Post by playitfair on Jul 7, 2014 16:01:09 GMT
With all the debate about dual players yesterday and today. I think it is worth noting that Cahalane & Cadogan didn't see the start of the second half in 2013 Munster final. Is it really a matter of hurling?
Yesterday saw the same issues as 2013. What would they have given for an Alan O'Connor or Pearse O'Neill to introduce at half-time.
Team & subs from 2013 are listed hereunder. Its quite interesting.
CORK: K O’Halloran; E Cadogan, M Shields, P Kissane; N O’Leary, J Loughrey, D Cahalane; G Canty, A Walsh; F Goold, P Kerrigan, J O’Rourke; D Goulding, B Hurley, D O’Connor. Subs for Cork: A O’Connor for D Cahalane (35+2); Thomas Clancy for E Cadogan, P O’Neill for J O’Rourke (half-time); C Sheehan for D O’Connor (55); M Collins for F Goold (64).
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Post by playitfair on Jul 7, 2014 16:01:43 GMT
If I were to bet on it I'd say there will be two double headers on consecutive Sundays with the Munster and Connacht champions' matches on the first Sunday ie Aug 3rd. I taught all the quarter finals used to be run over through the august bank hol weekend? I think the GAA flagged last month that the quarter-finals would be split over separate weekends this year.
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Post by Jigz84 on Jul 7, 2014 16:29:56 GMT
Well done to Fitz and management. A great day to be supporting the green and gold.. Just one question can Kerry meet Cork in an All Ireland quarter finals if Cork come through the qualifiers? No Kerry cannot meet Cork again until a possible All-Ireland Semi.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 7, 2014 16:32:54 GMT
While Cork were poor Kerry were good, did a lot of good things and are now nicely positioned to be considered as contenders. This game and performance will bring them on a ton in terms of getting into the right shape and frame of mind for the summer as it happens. Other teams will be looking over their shoulders now, its always nice to be positioned at the heel of the hunt looking forwards. Top marks to the players and management yesterday. I enjoyed the performances of the new players, the second season new players and the veterans who hibernated during the NFL. As I have indicated before the addition of the Gooch and Tommy Walsh to the panel in early to mid Autumn will probably drive the place nuts!
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Post by delorean on Jul 7, 2014 16:36:12 GMT
The more things change, the more they stay the same! Firstly, congratulations on the win. There isn't much value in me telling ye how good ye were so I'll focus on Cork. What a pitiful, deflating outing. No game plan, no desire, no heart and in some cases, no effort. It was beyond cruelty to leave Shields so isolated and exposed to O’Donoghue's pace and craft. Even the weakest of teams would have had a better plan, or at least went about implementing one when the writing was on the wall after, what, five minutes? Shields is one of the best backs in the country, a double All Star, and in his prime. If ever there was evidence that it doesn't matter how good a back you are when a good forward gets quality ball, this was it. How we persevered (if you could call it that) without some form of sweeper in place until O’Donoghue kicked his eleventh point really was beyond belief. Cadogan - what is going on here? The man of 2010-2012 was an aggressive, driven, in your face pest with no let up. He was arguing with opponents, referees, even himself. Now, I would be the first to admit that leaving some of that stuff behind and focussing on the game could only be of benefit. Unfortunately, in his case, it seems you can't have one without the other. He was yards off his men at all times. At one stage he just hoofed the ball out of play with all the time in the world to gather it. He failed to jump for one ball for which he was favourite and Bryan Sheehan came from nowhere to pluck it from the sky. This particular moment sort of summed up the entire day. He really looked like becoming an inspiration figure in Cork GAA circles but has lost his way it seems. He's had his injury troubles but we can't afford to carry a guy at half pace much longer. The selection of Tomas Clancy in the pivotal centre back spot on Kerry's best creator was ambitious to say the least. He had the control of that area that you would expect from a relative novice at this level. Cahalane had a poor day at the office also, must have coughed up three or four points to his normally not so potent opponents, Buckley and Walsh. Our inability to win breaks around the middle was my main concern beforehand. It stands to reason you will not win them if you’re outnumbered and outfought in the area. Colm O'Driscoll should start the next day, couldn't fault his application when introduced but he was fighting a lost battle, on his own. Mark Collins, also, one of the few to end the day with some sort of dignity in my eyes. Speaking of which, John Hayes left himself down badly with that cowardly elbow on Declan O'Sullivan. The likes of O'Sullivan would only take that sort of treatment as a compliment but it was a dangerous, petulant thing to do. I'm not disappointed that Hayes will be out of contention for the next day. Hard to see where we can go from here but we'll take it step by step I guess. The Dubs used their capitulation against Meath to great effect in 2010... maybe we should drastically change our approach in a similar way. I'm not sure Cuthbert has the answers but we are where we are so we might as well keep the faith for another few weeks. By the way, for all those asking when is this and when is that... there are GAA wallcharts on the link below. GAA Wall Charts
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Post by southward on Jul 7, 2014 17:16:21 GMT
Fair play delorean, good honest post. Not easy being a supporter on those kind of days.
What do you make of all the post-match focus on the dual players - is this just speculation in the quest for a scapegoat ? It's not as if the non-hurlers fared any better on the day.
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