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Post by misteallaigh abú on Jun 28, 2014 21:55:51 GMT
Here's one for ye. The last game against Clare is the first Championship game which Gooch hasn't played since the 17 point hammering by Meath in the Semi final of 2001!! As far as I know anyway. I cant find the 2002 fixtures. Maybe he wasn't used in early 2002? Gooch didn't play for kerry until 2002 against Laois. As far as I can recall it was the division 2 final in Limerick. He was marking a lad with a shaved head and he ran rings around him. Felt sorry for the man but he mustn't have felt too bad subsequently when he saw the damage that Gooch did to players with much taller reputations.
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Post by homerj on Jun 30, 2014 9:59:09 GMT
quietest Kerry V Cork thread ever!
anybody know if O Donoghue is fit for Sunday?
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jun 30, 2014 10:43:48 GMT
Seems to me that a lot of the 'fair weather' supporters seem to have drifted away from both this forum and supporting the team in general in the last few years.
Anyway getting back to the game on Sunday. We are not really sure how Cork will line up.
I wonder what we will do I Paddy Kelly starts at centre back? He would probably have the legs on any of our players that might play there apart from Darren.
The team I would like to see on Sunday. (Very rough and Don't know injury updates)
Kelly
Murphy Marc (As we dont seem to have anyone else and Griffin seems to be dropped) Enright
Young Crowley Fitzgerald
Maher (If not playing well, haul him off) Moran (if fit / Lyne if not / Sheehan Depending on Darran)
Declan Sheehan Donnachadha
O'Brien James Geaney
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Post by Jigz84 on Jun 30, 2014 10:53:33 GMT
quietest Kerry V Cork thread ever! anybody know if O Donoghue is fit for Sunday? He was due to train Saturday and Eamonn reckons the injury is cleared up. But the sharpness may be lacking.
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Post by kerryexile on Jun 30, 2014 11:09:28 GMT
Shoulder injuries can be very slow to recover from for JOD and often when it appears that they are ok they can go again during a game. Considering what Moran has been through he should not be rushed either. If either of these are doubtful for Sunday they should be rested. The big picture is more important here. Defeat would not be the end of the world – we could still be in Croke Park in August. Maher is in last chance saloon but there isn’t an obvious direct replacement – maybe it’s time to try Donaghy there if Maher comes off.
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Post by lár na páirce on Jun 30, 2014 12:13:04 GMT
The big picture is more important here. Defeat would not be the end of the world – we could still be in Croke Park in August. I have to disagree here,I would say Sunday is vital. I would be very surprised if Kerry win an All Ireland or even reach the final Sunday is our best bet for silverware and whatever happens later in the year we can still be Champs of Munster.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jun 30, 2014 14:01:47 GMT
The big picture is more important here. Defeat would not be the end of the world – we could still be in Croke Park in August. I have to disagree here,I would say Sunday is vital. I would be very surprised if Kerry win an All Ireland or even reach the final Sunday is our best bet for silverware and whatever happens later in the year we can still be Champs of Munster. To be honest the Munster championship has become a bit of an irrelevance now. We need a good performance that will stand to us. If we get beaten by Cork and play poorly I would fear for us making Croke Park if we got drawn against someone like Tyrone in the final qualifier round. It was different in years gone by where we had a big panel with strenght in depth and a few wily old warriors. Losig to Cork, even badly like in 09, 06 and 02 didnt matter as we had the players to just make a few switches and off we went again. We dont have those payers anymore and the ability to turn things around mid season was due to two things, players that have been there time and time again and solid management teams.
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Post by Jigz84 on Jun 30, 2014 14:17:29 GMT
I have to disagree here,I would say Sunday is vital. I would be very surprised if Kerry win an All Ireland or even reach the final Sunday is our best bet for silverware and whatever happens later in the year we can still be Champs of Munster. To be honest the Munster championship has become a bit of an irrelevance now. We need a good performance that will stand to us. If we get beaten by Cork and play poorly I would fear for us making Croke Park if we got drawn against someone like Tyrone in the final qualifier round. If Kerry lose on Sunday, they can only meet one of the 2 sides that emerge from the "A" side of the Qualifiers, and looking at the teams inolved it's almost certain we'll be in the Quarter Finals. Those games are: Wexford V Laois Tipperary V Longford Limerick V Antrim Wicklow V Sligo
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Post by lár na páirce on Jun 30, 2014 14:19:38 GMT
To be honest the Munster championship has become a bit of an irrelevance now. To who ? Kerry don't care who wins Munster as long as it's not Cork Cork don't care who wins Munster as long as it's not Kerry All the other counties would give anything to win one Winning Munster has to be a priority for Fitzmaurice this year,Might be the only thing to keep him in his job
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 30, 2014 14:38:19 GMT
To be honest the Munster championship has become a bit of an irrelevance now. To who ? Kerry don't care who wins Munster as long as it's not Cork Cork don't care who wins Munster as long as it's not Kerry All the other counties would give anything to win one Winning Munster has to be a priority for Fitzmaurice this year,Might be the only thing to keep him in his job I am fairly resigned to the fact that we will suffer a defeat in PUC along the lines of 2012 but I won't care too much about it if this team subsequently reaches an AI SF, possibly including a victory against Cork in Croke Park. Things are gone really bad down here if we are hoping for Munster C'Ships to sate the hunger.
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Post by delorean on Jun 30, 2014 15:06:04 GMT
Think the pressure is on us for this one. Home advantage, favourites, no Gooch and new manager with a lot to prove. Even from the more practical side of things, a extra game for Kerry could benefit the guys not quite match fit, most notably JOD. We could do without it really with the dual players situation.
I suppose the biggest benefit would be avoiding Dublin all the way til the final at the earliest, should either keep winning.
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Post by seaniebo on Jun 30, 2014 15:06:18 GMT
I would be inclined to agree with those of you saying a win isn't all that vital. A loss doesn't change much for either team and bar the bragging rights both teams will have their sights set on the bigger picture. A handy qualifier wouldn't be a bad thing at all. What will be significant for either team is the manner of defeat. From a Kerry perspective I'd gladly take a strong performance and one that will bode will for us going forward. A hammering could completely derail us but I suspect that won't be the case.
I do fancy Cork to win but I would hope that they will have really earned it. Big big day for our young guns, ie the likes of Crowley and Fionn Fitz et al. These boys have a chance to really come of age on Sunday.
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Post by givehimaball on Jun 30, 2014 17:37:14 GMT
I'd imagine if training was open, there would be a lot of familiar faces popping in to have a gawk to get some sort of idea who's fit and who's well and who's somewhere else. I'm sure some out there have considered the notion of looking for a back gate that might have been left unlocked or pondered the notion of scaling a fence. Maybe someone around Lewis Road might need some help finding a beloved family pet that had gone "wandering"
With doubts over the fitness of so may key players, trying to pick a starting 15 is akin to pulling names from a hat and calling them out without taking off the blindfold, given there are so many serious fitness questions about a whole lot of players.
You start working you're way through those who you've heard "talk" about - Donnacha, Darran, Declan, Donaghy, Moran, James, Buckley - and you think maybe it would be easier to just work the other way and list those who you haven't heard any "talk" about and then you start to get worried as to whether there might be others whose true state of fitness is being kept under wraps.
You think back to Ennis and the stark reminder that provided of the folly of starting players who aren't fully fit.
In past years you would have said that even if there were injuries that the depth of the squad would offer decent cover - you look at the likely subs bench and where you would have likely lads with winners medals,experience and the ability to bring on match-winners, you have questions. You look at the impact of the 6 subs the last day, Aidan aside, was fairly minimal - and compare that to the impact Dublin subs have made in the last 2 games - 1-9 yesterday and 9 points against Laois
You look at who played well out of the 21 who featured in the Clare game as a starting point and that helps things a bit but you look at the newcomers likely to keep their place - Kelly, Murphy, Paul Geaney and O'Brien and you remember that that was Clare and this is Cork ; that was a game everyone expected Kerry to win, whereas a Cork game is part of an ongoing eternal battle - how much faith can we place in these newbies?
Feck it you'll say - this is why Eamonn and the wise men gets the big bucks - for addling their heads over decisions like this on weeks like this. We're sure whatever 15 don the green and gold on Sunday will do us proud.
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Post by goupforit on Jun 30, 2014 18:34:56 GMT
Paul O Donoghue was a sub the last day and very highly rated down here in South Kerry. I think he could bring a level of pace to the team off the bench that we have been missing. The horse has bolted in my opinion for a few lads who have been given plenty of chances, K O Leary, Mikey Geaney, Barry John Keane etc. I think he would thrive late in the game
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Post by kerryexile on Jun 30, 2014 20:20:47 GMT
I dont think Fitzmaurie's job is in any danger. They have improved physically, had a better league than last year, came very close to beating Dublin last year, have a number of good young players coming through under Fitzmaurice's guidance -so if the worst comes to the worst there is nothing to be gained by changing the manager.
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Post by diego on Jun 30, 2014 20:56:49 GMT
Paul O Donoghue was a sub the last day and very highly rated down here in South Kerry. I think he could bring a level of pace to the team off the bench that we have been missing. The horse has bolted in my opinion for a few lads who have been given plenty of chances, K O Leary, Mikey Geaney, Barry John Keane etc. I think he would thrive late in the game Interesting to note that he played county league for the Mary's against Keel yesterday. Didn't use up too much energy though, as he lined out in the uncustomary position of goalkeeper. Kept a clean sheet as well!
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Post by finuge86 on Jun 30, 2014 21:20:31 GMT
Paul O Donoghue was a sub the last day and very highly rated down here in South Kerry. I think he could bring a level of pace to the team off the bench that we have been missing. The horse has bolted in my opinion for a few lads who have been given plenty of chances, K O Leary, Mikey Geaney, Barry John Keane etc. I think he would thrive late in the game I seen him play against ardfert in the intermediate championship played centre forward and was Being marked by Darren Dineen!! Darren hadn't played any sort of football b4 that game due to kerry hurling commitments and held him comfortably!! Darren was also physical enough against him nothing outrageous few little belts here an there and he couldn't handle it all!! If that's the best we can come up with for cork we might aswell stay at home
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Post by Deise Exile on Jun 30, 2014 22:20:09 GMT
I reckon it's the most predictable championship ever. Unlikely Kerry will win on Sunday. Even in the good days we couldn't beat cork in puic
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Jul 1, 2014 6:43:52 GMT
Midfield and the half forward line appears to be the biggest area for concern come Sunday. With Moran hindered by injury and Maher not in the form he was, I would be surprised if Kerry started with them in midfield. Maybe it's time for Donaghy to be brought into midfield, even if he no longer has the legs, he may do enough in the initial stages of the game to give our inside line some decent supply. It looks as if it will be either Declan or Jameso (fitness permitting) will start on the 40. Declan should be fresher after the pipe opener against Clare and Jameso on the 40 would be an interesting experiment, given that a loss on Sunday won't be by any means a catastrophe, barring an absolute hammering. I wouldn't mind seeing Fionn at centre back, switching with Killian. We can't allow the full back line to be exposed as badly as it was, at times, against Clare. Marc's brilliant game reading ability should see him do ok, Enright is a worry, especially his constant fouling, often very needlessly. Looking forward to seeing what team is named and roll on Sunday!
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Jul 1, 2014 12:29:29 GMT
Team to be named after training tonight, which I believe is open to the public.
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Post by ArthurG on Jul 1, 2014 12:38:09 GMT
I imagine Cork will take us on Sunday but I do think it will be close until final quarter when Goulding/O'Neill/Hurley & Co get to grips with Kerry's defence.
I think if Kerry try a bit of what Dublin did to them in 2nd half and try to smother Cork in the middle third and be direct and rely on speed and power in the inside line - Darren, JOD and Geaney for scores.
Given injuries & loss of form of our central players I think Kerry will have to adopt some negative tactics at long stages the next day - otherwise I predict a rout by Cork
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Post by mandad on Jul 1, 2014 12:59:20 GMT
I would be surprised if the midfield pairing was not Maher and Sheehan to start. If James is to start he is more effective in the full forward line and therefore I expect Declan at 11. My big concern is how we deploy our bench when the need arises as it undoubtedly will. Unlike our Finuge friend I would rate Paul O'Donoghue very highly and will be given his chance to show that in this years championship. In the semi-final against Dublin last year we came very close with four or five players playing away below par. I believe that we are in a good position to surprise a lot of critics this year and expect that we have at least a 50/50 chance on Sunday. Why do people think Cork are such clear favourites?
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Post by Jigz84 on Jul 1, 2014 13:17:25 GMT
Predictions of routs and hammerings for Kerry here on Sunday but I can't see that happening. Quietly confident of a win Sunday as I don't think Cork are any great shakes really, especially around the middle and in their full-back line.
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Post by wornout2 on Jul 1, 2014 13:37:04 GMT
Agree. Think James and Paul Geaney could light up the championship this year starting sunday. Would like to see Sheahan back in the middle with D. Walsh back in on the wing. Once team takes shape I think people will realise we're not a bad outfit at all. and we'll see the return of all the fair weather supporters!!
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Post by delorean on Jul 1, 2014 15:21:34 GMT
Why do people think Cork are such clear favourites? Paddy Power have Cork at 4/6 and Kerry 6/4. Nothing in it that can't be explained by home advantage and a better league campaign. If this game was in Killarney, I've no doubt the odds would swing right around. Add Cooper's injury and JOD's lack of action into the mix and they're pretty reasonable odds I think. All on the day though as one wise, if somewhat dismissive, poster said earlier
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 1, 2014 19:37:39 GMT
Four changes:
erry Senior Football Team V Cork The Kerry Senior Football Team to play Cork in the Munster GAA Football Championship Final in Páirc Uí Chaóimh on Sunday shows four changes in personnel from the side that defeated Clare in the semi-final. Aidan O’Mahony comes into the defence in place of Peter Crowley, Johnny Buckley returns to midfield after injury in place of David Moran and up front, Donnchadh Walsh and James O’Donoghue, both recovered from injury, start in place of Darran O’Sullivan and Michael Geaney.
The team, captained by Fionn Fitzgerald lines out as follows: 1. Brian Kelly Killarney Legion 2. Marc Ó Sé An Ghaeltacht 3. Aidan O’Mahony Rathmore 4. Shane Enright Tarbert 5. Paul Murphy Rathmore 6. Killian Young Renard 7. Fionn Fitzgerald (Capt) Dr Crokes 8. Anthony Maher Duagh 9. Johnny Buckley Dr Crokes 10. Stephen O’Brien Kenmare 11. Bryan Sheehan St Marys 12. Donnchadh Walsh Cromane 13. Paul Geaney Dingle 14. Declan O’Sullivan Dromid Pearses 15. James O’Donoghue Killarney Legion Fir Ionaid 16. Brendan Kealy Kilcummin 17. Peter Crowley Laune Rangers 18. Darran O’Sullivan Glenbeigh-Glencar 19. David Moran Kerins O’Rahillys 20. Michael Geaney Dingle 21. Mark Griffin St Michaels/Foilmore 22. Kieran Donaghy Austin Stacks 23. Kieran O’Leary Dr Crokes 24. Barry John Keane Kerins O’Rahillys 25. Jonathan Lyne Killarney Legion 26. Daithí Casey Dr Crokes
Bainisteóir: Eamonn Fitzmaurice (Finuge) Traenálaí: Cian O’Neill (Moorefield, Kildare) Róghnóirí: Diarmuid Ó Murchú (Daingean Uí Chúis), Mikey Sheehy (Austin Stacks).
Rehabbing from Injury Pa Kilkenny Glenbeigh/Glencar (Ankle) Colm Cooper Dr Crokes (Knee Ligaments)
Additional Panel Players Jack Sherwood Firies Paul O’Donoghue St Marys Alan Fitzgerald Castlegregory Marcus Mangan Milltown-Castlemaine Shane O’Callaghan Austin Stacks Fearghal McNamara Austin Stacks
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Post by sullyschoice on Jul 1, 2014 19:52:09 GMT
Jack Sherwood has certainly slipped down the pecking order.
I dont know what to make of Aidan O Mahoney at Full Back or Crowley droppe, or Buckley at midfield.
Please Jesus let it all work out.
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Post by seamo on Jul 1, 2014 19:52:50 GMT
Sh!t Crowley dropped. Any word of an injury?
On a good note, that's one hell of a full forward line...just hope we can get enough ball into them.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jul 1, 2014 19:55:33 GMT
Very disappointed with that team. Am unhappy with every line of the team. Marc and Aidan in the full back line? Crowley dropped and Murphy moved to the wing when he has been flying in the corner? Killian at centre back is a disaster. Crowley can feel hard done by.
That midfield is too slow and ponderous, both with and without the ball. Both totally out of form. Everyone on here knows my views on Buckley. O'Brien shunted to the wing after playing the whole league in the corner and doing well there the last day?
Unless everything goes our way we could be in for a hiding on Sunday.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 1, 2014 20:00:31 GMT
Could it be argued that we have five good subs to come on and have us finish with a strong team?
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