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Post by smellUlater on Jun 25, 2014 11:12:25 GMT
keepitsimple are you actually simple?
Seamus Scanlon proved to be a good inter county player for a couple of seasons. But largely than not he was cumbersome and awkward and downright no ability with kicking a ball. he became a good understudy to daragh for a bit and he proved he wasnt as bad as many as first thought. But let dead ghosts lie....his days of intercounty football or long gone
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Jun 25, 2014 14:45:44 GMT
Scanlon did a fine job in his time with Kerry, but I don't think he's a solution. He hasn't got pace, which is needed and he's 2 years older. I think we're a little bit short of All Ireland but think we still have made huge progress considering new personnel. As for the top table, well there's fcuk all at it. The Dubs and maybe Mayo. Then we're in with Donegal, Monaghan and Cork, who are 50/50 with us Imo. Hurley is their only consistently dangerous forward. As for last year's semi, again, I counted only 4 players playing well for Kerry - Gooch, JOD, Donnacha, Fionn and we lost by a break of a ball. This particular thread has been riddled with negativity and whilst midfield is a real concern, we're not the only team that needs improvement for the Munster final.Cork are as ever overhyped. They're a decent, solid team, but are beatable. Constructively assessing and critiquing players and management is a must, but I'm not sure I can put it correctly, but many of the opinions to me equate to "this team is no match for the last great team that won 4 AI", then followed by positively negative reaffirmations player by player. Bar exceptions like Murphy, players who play well usually read "was ok". The lads that don't do well get much more lavish reviews. We're demanding but overly negative. Outside the Dubs I don't see this AI requiring a chasm to bridge to win. We have found 3 good uns in one year which many would not have forecasted. The class of 75 was given little hope. Sort midfield to gain parity and our have o 15 play to their capability and we'll take beating. To Cork... Good post Fitz. Probably have been guilty of a bit of doom and gloom myself. I guess we were spoilt for a decade.
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Post by haryegsnbaken on Jun 25, 2014 15:00:53 GMT
I think we're a little bit short of All Ireland but think we still have made huge progress considering new personnel. As for the top table, well there's fcuk all at it. The Dubs and maybe Mayo. Then we're in with Donegal, Monaghan and Cork, who are 50/50 with us Imo. Hurley is their only consistently dangerous forward. As for last year's semi, again, I counted only 4 players playing well for Kerry - Gooch, JOD, Donnacha, Fionn and we lost by a break of a ball. This particular thread has been riddled with negativity and whilst midfield is a real concern, we're not the only team that needs improvement for the Munster final.Cork are as ever overhyped. They're a decent, solid team, but are beatable. Constructively assessing and critiquing players and management is a must, but I'm not sure I can put it correctly, but many of the opinions to me equate to "this team is no match for the last great team that won 4 AI", then followed by positively negative reaffirmations player by player. Bar exceptions like Murphy, players who play well usually read "was ok". The lads that don't do well get much more lavish reviews. We're demanding but overly negative. Outside the Dubs I don't see this AI requiring a chasm to bridge to win. We have found 3 good uns in one year which many would not have forecasted. The class of 75 was given little hope. Sort midfield to gain parity and our have o 15 play to their capability and we'll take beating. To Cork...Fitzwop SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH :-) Tell em feck all.
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Post by seamo on Jun 25, 2014 16:45:37 GMT
keepitsimple are you actually simple? Seamus Scanlon proved to be a good inter county player for a couple of seasons. But largely than not he was cumbersome and awkward and downright no ability with kicking a ball. he became a good understudy to daragh for a bit and he proved he wasnt as bad as many as first thought. But let dead ghosts lie....his days of intercounty football or long gone Steady on man, he's wrong about Scanlon but "simple"...a bit OTT.
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 25, 2014 19:28:35 GMT
Kerry are possibly capable of going toe to toe with Donegal and maybe Mayo also. Mayo might not be as good as they were last year but it is a little early to tell. The provincial finals will be both interesting and informative. There are a lot more positives than negatives, midfield apart, to take from the Clare game going into the Munster Final. There is no point in worrying about a game scheduled for the 6th of July. It is very early in the season having played just one championship game to date. While in transition, the management will have an eye on the August/September window all the same.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 26, 2014 18:26:18 GMT
Very hard to make a case for Mayo. In 2012 they avoided the form team till the final. In 2013 they avoided the form team till the final. Any they weren't good enough to beat the form team in the final. Maybe they can add in few young lads without baggage of losing finals to get them over the line.
Cork hurlers look like they will be hurling in Sept and the footballers rarely prosper when Cork hurling is buzzing. Donegal look promising this year after their year off.
Kerry will be better in 2014 that 2013 as the summer rolls along but getting possession around the middle and feeding it in properly must be solved.
Dublin could do what Kerry did in 1979 and the cats did the year they beat Waterford in the final.... blow everyone else out of the water.
Very hard to see any team getting within 6 points of Dublin in 2014 at this point in time.
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Post by keepitsimple on Jun 27, 2014 16:32:27 GMT
keepitsimple are you actually simple? Seamus Scanlon proved to be a good inter county player for a couple of seasons. But largely than not he was cumbersome and awkward and downright no ability with kicking a ball. he became a good understudy to daragh for a bit and he proved he wasnt as bad as many as first thought. But let dead ghosts lie....his days of intercounty football or long gone You obviously undervalued Seamus Scanlons abilities as a footballer, if you watched any of the co championship games over the last couple of years Scanlon was the best midfielder in the county by far,his ball distribution is as good as any midfielder in the Kerry, sometimes an awkward physical athlete is needed on big days against physically strong opposition, Scanlon would give us that for a half hour at least, that's what im saying so enough of your name calling please
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Post by jackmurphy on Jun 27, 2014 18:52:07 GMT
Very hard to make a case for Mayo. In 2012 they avoided the form team till the final. In 2013 they avoided the form team till the final. Any they weren't good enough to beat the form team in the final. Maybe they can add in few young lads without baggage of losing finals to get them over the line. Cork hurlers look like they will be hurling in Sept and the footballers rarely prosper when Cork hurling is buzzing. Donegal look promising this year after their year off. Kerry will be better in 2014 that 2013 as the summer rolls along but getting possession around the middle and feeding it in properly must be solved. Dublin could do what Kerry did in 1979 and the cats did the year they beat Waterford in the final.... blow everyone else out of the water. Very hard to see any team getting within 6 points of Dublin in 2014 at this point in time. Cork Footballers rarely prosper, full stop. They've won 4 AI's in the last 70 years.
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Post by kerryexile on Jun 28, 2014 14:17:41 GMT
That is very poor return but it has to be said that down through the years many a very good Cork side failed to get out of Munster because of great Kerry sides.
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Post by kerryfanatic on Jul 6, 2014 12:31:15 GMT
Delighted that your back veteran, you always have interesting things to say and love reading your posts. Hope your well now. source="/post/160360/thread" timestamp="1403467118"]After receiving a severe health setback last September, I was glad to be back "in action" today. I expected a tough match, being in the trough that we are, but I did not expect it to be so finely balanced. It certainly did not help my convalescence.
Clare were flying, fit as fiddles and superbly coached. They also had some fine footballers. I hope they and Tipperary repeat their Munster form in the qualifiers and ,if they do, they will give lip to anybody.
Kerry were sluggish, particularly in the first half, and looked every inch a team who have not played competitively for several weeks. It was fortunate that we got a goal so early because, for most of that half, we were hanging on with very brittle fingernails. Furthermore, Brian Kelly made a miracle save, perhaps two in the same movement or it may have been a defender who made the second, to preserve our respirations at a time when Clare were rampant and Kerry were reeling. We were fortunate to trail by only one at half time. It was a worry and indeed at that stage a lot of us were contemplating the scenic route to whatever is in store for us in 2014.
While Clare never faded, it was clear before the second half was too advanced that Kerry were now more abrasive and purposeful. The backs tightened up and ensured that Clare entered a lot of cul de sacs. According to my tally, Clare scored five points in the second half and about three of them came in the closing stages when the deal was more or less closed. Conversely, Kerry scored ten points in that half.
There is no denying that this was a poor Kerry display, especially in that first half. Clare must of course take a lot of the credit for that but ,sadly, the reality is that we are now apparently in a very impoverished state. Accordingly, one cannot be too critical of management, if indeed one can be critical of them at all. It would appear that they are playing with a very poor hand.
Brian Kelly made one mistake in the second half when he came out to contest a high ball he should not have and the ball just flew wide of an empty net. Could have been catastrophic. Only a curmudgeon like myself would point point that error because, overall, he was magnificent, the best display from a Kerry goalie for a long time. His fielding of the high ball under pressure was remarkable, reminiscent of his mentor, Diarmuid Murphy.
The full back was satisfactory all through, especially in the seconds half. Marc gave a hint of what once was and Shane Enright suggested that maybe he is returning to form. That would be a huge bonus. However, I must single out Paul Murphy. This man is five foot nothing but he has a heart which is bursting out through his scalp. He impishly scored that early goal, when he followed his man up the danger area and towards the end of the game he soared up to catch a ball in the middle of three Clare lads. It appears, in the midst of all the gloom, we have found a right little devil here.
Fionn was the most consistent of the half backs. Killian improved in the second half, while Peter Crowley did not seem to be involved very much, not that his opponent achieved a whole lot either.
Midfield was a problem all through. David Moran was struggling and he played with a heavily bandaged knee. Fitness/injury problems here, I fear. Anthony was not able for Garry Brennan. He received a yellow card in the second half and, with reckless naivety, he put in a clumsy challenge shortly after wards and deservedly got his marching orders. Must work harder, Anthony. Aiden O'Mahony came on for David Moran, seemingly at midfield. Was that a figment of my imagination or an exercise in lunacy by management. Aiden O'Mahony an inter county midfielder, especially in the twilight of his career?
As I stated, midfield was a problem but an even bigger problem was at wing forward. We got no return here. Darren did not raise a gallop. Mickey Geaney, in spite of scoring a point, seemed to be totally out of his depth. On one occasion in the second half a colleague punted a lovely pass ahead of him to run onto and in spite of having a head start of five yards on his opponent he failed to win the ball. Unforgivable.
Bryan Sheehan has been a divisive character on this forum. Even, in his darkest days I have never wavered in my admiration of him. He was heroic today, alternating between the forty and midfield. Kicked three from play, one from a free and his fielding surpassed any other player on the field.
Declan played with a knee heavily bandaged and had a reasonable game. Not surprisingly, he finds it much more difficult to get away from an opponent these days and also , in that second half, he wandered too far out field. He was however very strong on the ball and won some important possession in that half but he has only two weeks to lift his fitness. It maybe later in the year before we see an approximation of the Declan we once revered.
Our two corner boys, Stephen O'Brien and Paul Geaney, glittered even when little else was happening for us. Paul Geaney kicked six from play, a truly noble contribution. If this man has an injury free year he may well realise the potential at senior inter county level he has thus far displayed for UCC and Dingle. Assuming he was not injured ,I could not fathom the substitution of Stephen O'Brien. He was a torment for the opposition from the word go. He is as plucky as Paul Murphy is at the other end and his first instinct is to take on his man and hare towards goal. Some day, fortune will smile on him and he will reap on the scoreboard what his ceaseless endeavour deserves. He scored two points today.
KD looked in fair shape when he came on and did some good things. BJK kicked a point. Neither Doncha or Jonathan made an impression when they came on. Doncha looked miles off the pace of the game.
In spite of Cork's close call, they should be strong favourites to win the final. That is a topic for another day.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 6, 2014 13:41:57 GMT
Cork giving Kerry every chance by kicking everything long.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 7, 2014 10:49:09 GMT
Cork giving Kerry every chance by kicking everything long. Wrong thread obviously, blame the gatt.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 7, 2014 16:23:45 GMT
A good game for Kerry to ease back into the scheme of things, one they were never going to lose on the day. Clare put in a huge shift and were full value for their performance, just short of a couple clinical finishers in front of the goal. Podge Collins is full of heart and is a fine footballer/duel player and competitor. Plenty of positives for Kerry, in particular their five championship debutantes, who all held their own and performed very well. These are a nice addition to the new players called on board last year, Fionn, Peter, Mark and JOD etc. Midfield is a concern, playing an unfit Moran sums up where we are at in the middle of the park and was a big risk on the back of two very serious knee injuries. Combined with his continuation in the club championship game while injured we probably won't see him in the Munster Final. Anthony Maher is really struggling to find form but could snap back into it quickly enough. A Munster Final should get the juices flowing. Marc looked light years fresher last Sunday compared to his NFL performances and should be able to drive on now for Kerry for the rest of the summer. Indeed, Bryan, Declan, Killian and Marc to a lesser degree showed that playing NFL is not a requirement for senior players at a certain stage of their careers to put in a summer shift. All in all, while it was suggested in some quarters that Kerry looked sluggish in this game, I thought there was a certain freshness lurking beneath the surface in the players demeanor that can be unleashed on bigger days. It makes for an interesting Munster Final now, more so on the back of Corks struggles against Tipp. Can Kerry win this upcoming tie? Certainly, but everything will have to fall into place for them. The young players will want it badly after a few dustings at the hands of Cork underage teams. A game that should go down to the wire with very little between both sides in transition in what should be no more than a 3-5 point swing either way. Cork just about deserve the favourites tag but Kerry will have plenty to say on the day and may even sneak over the line. I think we only saw the tip of the iceberg yesterday from where Kerry can potentially go with this team.
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