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Post by Mickmack on May 16, 2018 8:03:55 GMT
Darragh column this week summed up in seven words
"Mayo will move on without Tom Parsons"
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Post by kerrygold on May 23, 2018 7:59:53 GMT
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Post by kerrygold on May 30, 2018 7:36:55 GMT
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Post by Mickmack on May 30, 2018 8:03:45 GMT
Several good points by Darragh in that
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Post by glengael on May 30, 2018 11:21:54 GMT
It's good that Kerry's young players are getting their chance (if that indeed happens) even if a lot of them are graduating together.
The last few years have clearly shown us the limitations of the 'established' players and as a supporter I could not face another year of the same old same old same old, sure yerrah we weren't that far away blah, blah.
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Post by gamechanger10 on May 30, 2018 14:09:07 GMT
Who would you cull from the squad and why ? Looks like Johnny B was given the one of two dreaded options, walk or be pushed. Doesn’t look like there are too many more are for the high road at this stage. In fairness Johnny may we’ll have opted out himself due to work but it seemed an unusually late stage to pull out of an inter county set up. Perhaps management just has hard desisions to make in that half forward line with so many pushing as in fairness JB gave his all for the jersey over the years
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Post by inforthebreaks on May 30, 2018 14:19:09 GMT
Who would you cull from the squad and why ? Looks like Johnny B was given the one of two dreaded options, walk or be pushed. Doesn’t look like there are too many more are for the high road at this stage. In fairness Johnny may we’ll have opted out himself due to work but it seemed an unusually late stage to pull out of an inter county set up. Perhaps management just has hard desisions to make in that half forward line with so many pushing as in fairness JB gave his all for the jersey over the years The old "family reasons" line is true in Johnny Buckley's case and should be left alone tbh.
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Post by Mickmack on May 30, 2018 22:16:52 GMT
Johnny Buckley slipped away quietly from the county scene,
The only medal to elude him was a minor All Ireland medal and he came close to that in 1996 v Roscommom. The u21 in 2008 was followed by the senior in 2014. He has a NFL medal too. Add in numerous county medals as well as leading Crokes to their All Ireland in 2017 and you realise how much he achieved.
He has a great football brain and he did his bit for the green and gold. That point in the 2014 All Ireland final was worth its weight in gold.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on May 30, 2018 23:57:36 GMT
Johnny Buckley is involved in the family business and a very thriving company it is. This season shapes up to be even busier than previous seasons and previous seasons have all seen an increase year on year. Having worked with the company quite a few times and with the Buckley family myself I can tell you they are very hard workers and Johnny is no exception. Personally I've always found it hard to fathom how he could rhyme the two. I'm wishing all the best and I'm sure he will succeed.
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Post by glengael on Jun 13, 2018 11:33:04 GMT
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Post by Jo90 on Jun 18, 2018 20:43:23 GMT
I wonder will Darragh make reference to his strange column last year where he predicted a Cork win when every Cork and Kerry fan knew otherwise.
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Post by glengael on Jun 21, 2018 8:32:49 GMT
I wonder will Darragh make reference to his strange column last year where he predicted a Cork win when every Cork and Kerry fan knew otherwise. YES he does. Can't link to the piece as I'm over the limit but he refers to it in the 1st paragraph.
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Post by buck02 on Jun 21, 2018 8:47:31 GMT
I wonder will Darragh make reference to his strange column last year where he predicted a Cork win when every Cork and Kerry fan knew otherwise. YES he does. Can't link to the piece as I'm over the limit but he refers to it in the 1st paragraph. Bit early in the day for that Glengael. Are you nervous about the Munster Final or something?
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Post by glengael on Jun 21, 2018 9:01:42 GMT
YES he does. Can't link to the piece as I'm over the limit but he refers to it in the 1st paragraph. Bit early in the day for that Glengael. Are you nervous about the Munster Final or something? Oh you're a right comedian!! I meant, as discerning readers will know, over the limit of my free articles from the Times. The day I stop being nervous about a Munster Final will be a very sad day....
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 21, 2018 9:18:03 GMT
Darragh Ó Sé: Cork will beat Kerry sometime – not this time But being at home with nothing to lose on a Saturday night are perfect conditions for it
Darragh Ó Sé Wed, Jun 20, 2018, 06:00 Kerry will bring a big crowd, if only to see the new Páirc Uí Chaoimh for the first time. Photo: James Crombie/Inpho Kerry will bring a big crowd, if only to see the new Páirc Uí Chaoimh for the first time. Photo: James Crombie/Inpho First of all, I suppose I should hold my hands up a bit over my column ahead of the Kerry v Cork game last year. Only a bit, now – no sense getting too upset over it. I thought Cork would be better than they were. Or maybe I was worried they would be better than they were. They turned up against Mayo three weeks later and gave them plenty of it so I wasn’t too far off. But I got it wrong. No point pretending about it.
People think it’s cute-hoor stuff but it’s actually the complete opposite. It’s a fear that they’ll rise up again – which they definitely will at some stage. I spent my early days as a Kerry footballer losing to Cork and even in their worst days, I’m always wary of them coming up with something. So no matter how bad they’re going, I never think it’s just a matter of turning up and giving them a hosing.
I do think Kerry will beat them on Saturday night, all the same. Whatever worries I would have about them normally, I heard they were well-beaten by Roscommon in a challenge match a few weeks ago. Challenge matches are challenge matches and you can’t take them as gospel. But you shouldn’t be getting beaten a-point-a-man in them, no matter how bad things are.
It’s so hard to get information on any team these days. Everything is behind closed doors, everything is sub-judice. A colleague of mine was telling me there recently that his young lad is in with the Kerry under-17s. They were going away for training one of the weekends and the young lad wouldn’t even tell his father where they were going! Cloak-and-dagger all the way.
But even in this modern information vacuum, news of that hiding Cork got from Roscommon still found its way out. In fairness, Roscommon put up a good show against Galway last week so they’re no minnows. But Cork will need to be a damn sight better than that on Saturday.
It should be some occasion. Kerry will bring a big crowd, if only to see the new Páirc Uí Chaoimh for the first time. And even though the Cork footballers don’t have that big a following at the best of times, I think the fact that it’s on a Saturday night will draw a good few of the locals in. What else would you be doing?
Down the years, you always had to admire the way Cork teams kept themselves relevant in the championship despite the fact that they never had a big support. Coming from Kerry, it nearly felt unnatural. But still, despite getting very little backing, they just went out and did what they did for themselves. That gave them an edge, a kind of a to-hell-with-ye attitude. You had to respect that.
Related Darragh Ó Sé: Galway’s defensive system must serve interests of their forwards Darragh Ó Sé: It's time for Kerry’s young guns to step up to the plate Darragh Ó Sé: Umpires are the invisible men until they make a mistake It’s hard to put your finger on exactly why they’ve gone so far back over recent years. Whatever about not being able to beat Kerry in Munster, they’ve fallen way back in the qualifiers and in the league as well. I’d imagine having to play their games away from Páirc Uí Chaoimh is a factor. As well as that, they’ve lost good players here and there, either to injuries or to the hurlers.
It probably doesn’t help either that they always seem to be starting from scratch. Ronan McCarthy is the fourth Cork manager Eamonn Fitzmaurice has faced in the championship - and this is only his sixth time playing them.
Lame duck When you have that many managers in such a short space of time, two things happen. Or don’t happen, as the case may be. One, there’s a lot of time wasted because as a manager is going out the door, everyone knows he’s goosed and he’s a lame duck long before the end. And two, there is no chance for continuity, no consistent way of developing players.
Take someone like John O’Rourke, who is the sort of busy, intelligent wing-forward teams are crying out for in the modern game. He made his debut under Conor Counihan, was subbed off at half-time in a Munster final under Brian Cuthbert, got dropped to the bench after the defeat to Tipperary in Peadar Healy’s first championship game, before earning his place back last year and playing very well against Mayo in that qualifier.
He has had to prove himself to a fourth manager from the start of this year – and he’s still only 26. He has had to learn new ways to impress four different guys. He has probably been given different jobs to do by all four of them. Four different systems, four different ways of thinking about the game. How can he – or anyone else in the various Cork panels that have been put together that time – be expected to improve along the way?
For Cork players in this era, who haven’t beaten Kerry since 2012, there’s one job and one job only on the agenda When I played against Ronan McCarthy, he always had a knack for being in the right place at the right time. He was passionate about Cork, you could see that from him. He would poke the bear when the time was right. He liked to pick his battles as well. He wasn’t shy about doing a bit of bullying around the place, although it always seemed to me that he chose the like of Mike Frank Russell for a target rather than the likes of Eamon Breen. He was, let’s say, strategic in his option-taking.
He has nothing to lose here. Everyone expects Cork to be beaten – and they will continue to expect that up until the day they finally end this streak of defeats against Kerry. So he can prepare his players to be reckless here, to throw themselves into Saturday night like it’s the biggest game of their lives.
It might sound like it’s early in the summer for that sort of chat but for Cork players in this era, who haven’t beaten Kerry since 2012, there’s one job and one job only on the agenda. Kerry have to play with an eye on later in the year, to keep the Super 8 in mind, watch for suspensions and injuries and all the rest of it. Cork have to beat Kerry by hook or by crook before they can think of any of that. There’s no point concerning themselves with the finer things in life until they work out how to bake themselves a loaf of bread.
Think of all the predictions you saw at the start of the year for the line-up of the Super 8. How many times did you see Cork’s name listed? The fine group of experts in The Irish Times – myself included – handed in our lists at the start of the championship and not one of us gave a vote to Cork. In all, 12 counties got a shout – including Armagh, Cavan, Kildare and Tipperary – yet none of us gave Cork a squeeze. I don’t know if that says more about us than it does about Cork.
One way or the other, it tells you where Cork are. They haven’t been at such a low ebb in a long time. McCarthy comes into his first Munster final in charge knowing that the only way is up. This is not their normal state. With the population they have and the pedigree they have, they are bound to settle back at a higher level eventually.
It’s up to the Cork management to convince them that this is the best place to start. When they do eventually end the losing streak against Kerry, they’ll be saying afterwards that nobody gave them a chance. That’s certainly the case this week.
In Kerry, people are generally fairly happy with what the new young team did against Clare. Clare were very naive in the way they set up the last day in Killarney but you still have to go out and put them away, which Kerry did in comprehensively. Nobody expects the rest of the championship to be like that but you can only do what you’re asked on a given day.
This will be a much bigger test. Away from home, a Saturday night crowd, a Cork team with nothing to lose. When they do eventually beat Kerry, you’d imagine those will be the perfect conditions for it.
But I don’t think it will happen this time. Kerry by five or six points.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 21, 2018 9:20:10 GMT
Ouch.. .nice dig at Ronan McCarthy not picking on eamonn breen.
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Post by keane on Jun 21, 2018 9:26:44 GMT
Darragh wasn't always known for seeking out guys his own size either. Should have missed an All Ireland final over just such an incident in Gallarus once upon a time.
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Post by tpo on Jun 21, 2018 10:14:40 GMT
Was at that match, He didn't start it, wanted to get away from it and in doing so left an elbow after him and got a justified red card
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 21, 2018 10:43:22 GMT
Darragh wasn't always known for seeking out guys his own size either. Should have missed an All Ireland final over just such an incident in Gallarus once upon a time. Darragh wasn't the tallest midfielder who ever fielded but battled physically over a long career against height-giants such as Nicholas Murphy and Kevin Walsh.
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Post by keane on Jun 21, 2018 12:27:25 GMT
Darragh wasn't always known for seeking out guys his own size either. Should have missed an All Ireland final over just such an incident in Gallarus once upon a time. Darragh wasn't the tallest midfielder who ever fielded but battled physically over a long career against height-giants such as Nicholas Murphy and Kevin Walsh. He came up against plenty of smaller players than himself during his club career who would have their own little stories as well ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Just thought it was a bit of a nasty little dig in his article that probably broke a few windows in his own greenhouse.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 21, 2018 12:34:53 GMT
Darragh wasn't the tallest midfielder who ever fielded but battled physically over a long career against height-giants such as Nicholas Murphy and Kevin Walsh. He came up against plenty of smaller players than himself during his club career who would have their own little stories as well ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Just thought it was a bit of a nasty little dig in his article that probably broke a few windows in his own greenhouse. Fair; although I might say that in the context of the West Kerry Championship it might have more than just Darragh of the Ó Sés throwing their weight around in the fashion you describe.
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Post by glengael on Jun 23, 2018 10:36:22 GMT
Ouch.. .nice dig at Ronan McCarthy not picking on eamonn breen. I would read it the other way. Maybe he is looking to portray Ronan McCarthy as a man who knows how to pick his battles? Nobody in their right mind would take on Eamon Breen. For all his flaws and imperfections, there are many players who'd have a lot less medals and All Stars and brand ambassadorial roles without Darragh's efforts. When will the next Kerry man reach 6 senior medals I wonder?
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Post by southward on May 16, 2019 20:17:52 GMT
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Post by Mickmack on May 17, 2019 7:53:12 GMT
Des Cahill did his best to defend his fellow Cuala club mate Greg Kennedy on the sunday game.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on May 17, 2019 8:53:02 GMT
To be honest Darragh would be well down my list of scribes to read. His articles are grand just nothing that would make you think. Usually a rehash of some old few stories that semi relate to what happened that week.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on May 17, 2019 9:15:45 GMT
To be honest Darragh would be well down my list of scribes to read. His articles are grand just nothing that would make you think. Usually a rehash of some old few stories that semi relate to what happened that week. I normally enjoy them but wtf was that.
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Post by buck02 on May 17, 2019 10:22:48 GMT
In fairness it was a follow on from what Eamonn Fitz was tweeting about now on Monday.
"While Greg Kennedy incident has brought matters to a head this week it was no huge shock to me as Maor Fóirne role has been exploited for some time as every team (including ourselves) have sought to push it’s limits. T McEntee was a great man to spot and fill space on an opposition kick out, as he slowly withdrew from the pitch, disrupting the goalkeepers appreciation of space. Jayo is a good man to drag his backside when required also."
Darragh just managed to get over 1000 words and probably the same number of euros for it.
Liam Hassetts "role" was often discussed here and I think Darraghs article and Fitzmaurice's tweet gives us a bit of insight into the thinking behind that role.
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Post by glengael on May 19, 2019 9:51:37 GMT
In fairness it was a follow on from what Eamonn Fitz was tweeting about now on Monday. "While Greg Kennedy incident has brought matters to a head this week it was no huge shock to me as Maor Fóirne role has been exploited for some time as every team (including ourselves) have sought to push it’s limits. T McEntee was a great man to spot and fill space on an opposition kick out, as he slowly withdrew from the pitch, disrupting the goalkeepers appreciation of space. Jayo is a good man to drag his backside when required also." Darragh just managed to get over 1000 words and probably the same number of euros for it. Liam Hassetts "role" was often discussed here and I think Darraghs article and Fitzmaurice's tweet gives us a bit of insight into the thinking behind that role. So it this new Maor Nuisance 'role' was an unqualified success for Kerry football then!!!
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on May 19, 2019 14:17:55 GMT
I’d imagine to have any sort of impact you’d need to be some bit subtle about it.
Hassett wasn’t, he constantly drew attention to himself by getting into arguments with officials
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Post by buck02 on May 19, 2019 17:45:42 GMT
I’d imagine to have any sort of impact you’d need to be some bit subtle about it. Hassett wasn’t, he constantly drew attention to himself by getting into arguments with officials Tommy Griffin is of similar mould.
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