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Post by Mickmack on Aug 9, 2014 9:11:01 GMT
The ref in the Cork-Mayo game explained the time-keeping issue very clearly and adequately, Cork messed up, not as dopily as Mayo last year but nonetheless they messed up. what did the ref say. I didn't hear
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Aug 9, 2014 9:32:28 GMT
The ref in the Cork-Mayo game explained the time-keeping issue very clearly and adequately, Cork messed up, not as dopily as Mayo last year but nonetheless they messed up. what did the ref say. I didn't hear Along the lines that when the player asked him he said there was "about a minute left". The clock kept going, as it does, and by the time he had taken the free, and the kick-out was taken, it was over a minute since when the player asked him. I assume the player must have thought either the clock is stopped for frees, or that the ref meant there was a minute left after the free was taken. Clearly a ref couldn't say anything like that, it could be misleading. As for Mayo last september, really that was the mother of all mismanagements of a situation by a player/team. I think his head was gone, so I wouldn't want to blame him directly. Another player should have been at his side when talking to the ref, and grabbed the ball off him when he started foostering. Easier said than done I suppose........ People still saying that was the ref's fault are suffering from some form of delusion, 'probably harmless', as Con Houlihan might have said
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Aug 9, 2014 10:02:32 GMT
By the way I think Mayo responded well to the Cork fight-back. In other times they would have folded somewhat, cracked at least. That was exactly the sort of test they needed, as long as they overcame it.
If Mayo beat Kerry I think it just might be going to be their year, as I can see Dublin slipping up somewhere if they get caught cold
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 9, 2014 10:48:16 GMT
It won't be Dublin at their ease this time, for starters The Farny will (should!) bring much more intensity, and no little quality to the game than Meath. Also they are very battle-hardened, and the way they won against Kildare, whilst not at all impressively, is exactly the sort of win they needed, to get over both the Ulster Final hangover, and the Ctoker championship hoodoo, whilst keeping the profile nice and low. Add to that the fact that they've kept very, very quiet this week, and Dublin, unbackable favourites, lack any serious contest in months, and I think this game is a real banana skin for us. I think if Monaghan are as smart as they seemed pre-Ulster final, they will come out and go for a blitz attack opening. The worst thing they could do would be very negative and to look for fights. If they do the right things, and if Dublin are a bit flat and complacent, which is inevitable in some ways, then they will be in this game. I think the other game could be a huge contest, and that Donegal will come through because it's just a year too early for that Armagh team, especially in terms of physicality and cuteness. Re-last weekends games, I think Bolton was very unlucky (but Kildare and their media are always whingeing, so they haven't done themselves any favours, they blew it again). The ref in the Cork-Mayo game explained the time-keeping issue very clearly and adequately, Cork messed up, not as dopily as Mayo last year but nonetheless they messed up. Dublin by plus 10. Monaghan won't compete with them. Dublin are unplayable, your playing a stormer rashers in playing down Dublin's chances. We wont know where Dublin might be at until they play Donegal-lite as compared to Donegal 2012. Not even monkeys get caught on banana skins
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Post by Ballyfireside on Aug 9, 2014 12:18:53 GMT
what did the ref say. I didn't hear Along the lines that when the player asked him he said there was "about a minute left". The clock kept going, as it does, and by the time he had taken the free, and the kick-out was taken, it was over a minute since when the player asked him. I assume the player must have thought either the clock is stopped for frees, or that the ref meant there was a minute left after the free was taken. Clearly a ref couldn't say anything like that, it could be misleading. As for Mayo last september, really that was the mother of all mismanagements of a situation by a player/team. I think his head was gone, so I wouldn't want to blame him directly. Another player should have been at his side when talking to the ref, and grabbed the ball off him when he started foostering. Easier said than done I suppose........ People still saying that was the ref's fault are suffering from some form of delusion, 'probably harmless', as Con Houlihan might have said It's a pity the Refs didn't clarify that as people were suspicious as it determined two key results.
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Aug 9, 2014 18:56:35 GMT
That extra bit of cuteness and experience won the day for Donegal. Armagh had the winning of the game but couldn't close it out. I felt sorry for them but Donegal are masters at winning these kind of games.
The Dublin v Monaghan game was a non event. Monaghan just couldn't cope, Dublin just breezed through and did as they wanted.
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Post by ansúilleabhánach on Aug 9, 2014 19:01:40 GMT
Well Rashers that WAS a mismatch! Personally speaking it's great to see positive creative football overcoming such a negative approach.
Pundits have on a few occasions picked out one of BÁC's vulnerabilities as being that they haven't been tested properly going into a Leinster final...then AI quarter final ("let's see how they cope with the blanket defence")...and now PTG has just said it, in the context of the semi final, on the Dirty Digger's TV station...any chance they're simply far too good for everyone? A la Ciarraí 1979/1984? Tiobraid Árainn hurlers in early 60s/Cill Chainnigh for the entire 21st century to date?
PS: Wanted to say An Ríocht in 2004 as well but remembered the Treaty boys had us on the ropes!
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Post by haryegsnbaken on Aug 9, 2014 19:08:43 GMT
So the Rolls Royce growls its way into the semi final. At this stage you would have to be impressed, albeit NO div 1 team beaten yet. They will not meet one this year in the championship unless they make the final. Overhyped OR Undervalued?? We will know more after the Dubs Vs Michael Murphy match.
I must say that IMO the Dubs are a very impressive side and will take a lot of stopping. What keeps me interested in this years championship is the fact that I am Horsey man.
I follow form.
Under par Mayo beaten by a seriously driven Dubs last year by "Not Much".
We have "A Good Chance" against Mayo.
I think we will arrive in Croker for the semi in "Rude Health".
Let the build ups continue
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Post by veteran on Aug 9, 2014 19:48:49 GMT
I was listening to the Dublin/Monaghan match on the radio(do not have sky) but had to give up after about fifteen minutes. Joe Brolly was the co-commentator and opinionated as if we were watching rather than listening with comments like "that was a lovely touch" and "what was that for" and "Oh Oh Oh" with no hint as to what was actually going on.
The scandal is not the ceding of some broadcasting rights to Sky but rather RTE's penchant for engaging nincompoops.
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Post by kerryexile on Aug 9, 2014 20:29:55 GMT
Went out to see the Dublin Monaghan game. There was a Dub next to me and we got talking. He said that the current Dublin side are as good as the Kerry side 1978 to 86. Being a fan of Socrates (the philosopher not the Brazilian soccer player) I realised there was no point arguing. I had to pose the $64,000 question. "Who would O'Dwyer drop in the full forward line to make way for Eoghan O'Gara - Sheehy, Liston or Egan? He couldn't answer me and the subject changed.
The point is the hype is becoming insufferable. And Dublin are still very beatable. The story is still the same. Everyone is saying they are super fit, great workers, subs as good as the players starting etc etc. But they do not have great footballers.
We have to keep the faith. We can beat them and I believe we will beat them.
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Post by Chinatown on Aug 9, 2014 20:56:02 GMT
More hype I say...20-1 on today and sure twill start to crank up now:)
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Post by falveyb2k on Aug 9, 2014 21:23:06 GMT
I was listening to the Dublin/Monaghan match on the radio(do not have sky) but had to give up after about fifteen minutes. Joe Brolly was the co-commentator and opinionated as if we were watching rather than listening with comments like "that was a lovely touch" and "what was that for" and "Oh Oh Oh" with no hint as to what was actually going on. The scandal is not the ceding of some broadcasting rights to Sky but rather RTE's penchant for engaging nincompoops. Apparently he had a huge argument with Des Cahill today and didn't condemn the Donegal doctor being thrown to the ground. He's becoming more and more of a loose cannon(stupid remarks like the O Rourke comment last week and Rachel Wyse comment months ago don't help) and my worry is that sooner or later he could land rte in legal trouble
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Post by seamo on Aug 9, 2014 21:32:58 GMT
I was listening to the Dublin/Monaghan match on the radio(do not have sky) but had to give up after about fifteen minutes. Joe Brolly was the co-commentator and opinionated as if we were watching rather than listening with comments like "that was a lovely touch" and "what was that for" and "Oh Oh Oh" with no hint as to what was actually going on. The scandal is not the ceding of some broadcasting rights to Sky but rather RTE's penchant for engaging nincompoops. Apparently he had a huge argument with Des Cahill today and didn't condemn the Donegal doctor being thrown to the ground. He's becoming more and more of a loose cannon(stupid remarks like the O Rourke comment last week and Rachel Wyse comment months ago don't help) and my worry is that sooner or later he could land rte in legal troubleThat'd be ironic given his profession!!!
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Post by seamo on Aug 9, 2014 21:43:33 GMT
It's an ugly sport now Gaelic Football. Nothing to be proud of, Armagh no.9 was a disgrace to do such a thing. That doctor isn't trained to have to deal with big thugs pushing him about, even many of the fu$ktards in wars around the world show some sort of restraint when it comes to medical staff.
The GAA could do without "hard-men" like himself, and motor-mouth Brolly. Bringing boxing into? What a fool; whips are used in horse racing, so would Joe see it acceptable for whips to be used in another Ulster brawl next year?
Worst thing of all is that all this will go unpunished by both the GAA and RTE.
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Post by Chinatown on Aug 9, 2014 22:48:03 GMT
Apparently he had a huge argument with Des Cahill today and didn't condemn the Donegal doctor being thrown to the ground. He's becoming more and more of a loose cannon(stupid remarks like the O Rourke comment last week and Rachel Wyse comment months ago don't help) and my worry is that sooner or later he could land rte in legal troubleThat'd be ironic given his profession!!! Was about to say that myself:), must say he did sound a bit aloof for want if better word today
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 9, 2014 23:18:52 GMT
Donegal got 1.06 from play today. Two of those points came at the very end. McFadden was the go-to man in 2012 but in 2014 he is but a shadow of what he was then. Armagh didn't have the class upfront.
Prior to todays game, Dublin had won the second half of all their games in 2014 by 11 points or more. It might be a good year to avoid the Dubs!
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Post by jerryewe on Aug 9, 2014 23:42:14 GMT
I was listening to the Dublin/Monaghan match on the radio(do not have sky) but had to give up after about fifteen minutes. Joe Brolly was the co-commentator and opinionated as if we were watching rather than listening with comments like "that was a lovely touch" and "what was that for" and "Oh Oh Oh" with no hint as to what was actually going on. The scandal is not the ceding of some broadcasting rights to Sky but rather RTE's penchant for engaging nincompoops. Apparently he had a huge argument with Des Cahill today and didn't condemn the Donegal doctor being thrown to the ground. He's becoming more and more of a loose cannon(stupid remarks like the O Rourke comment last week and Rachel Wyse comment months ago don't help) and my worry is that sooner or later he could land rte in legal trouble I wouldn't blame for that...I would like to know what the "doctor" was doing getting involved?
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 10, 2014 0:33:20 GMT
It might be a good year to avoid the Dubs! Disgraceful comment from a Kerryman.
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Post by fitz on Aug 10, 2014 7:20:07 GMT
Went out to see the Dublin Monaghan game. There was a Dub next to me and we got talking. He said that the current Dublin side are as good as the Kerry side 1978 to 86. Being a fan of Socrates (the philosopher not the Brazilian soccer player) I realised there was no point arguing. I had to pose the $64,000 question. "Who would O'Dwyer drop in the full forward line to make way for Eoghan O'Gara - Sheehy, Liston or Egan? He couldn't answer me and the subject changed. The point is the hype is becoming insufferable. And Dublin are still very beatable. The story is still the same. Everyone is saying they are super fit, great workers, subs as good as the players starting etc etc. But they do not have great footballers. We have to keep the faith. We can beat them and I believe we will beat them. They don't have great footballers KerryEx? Well it depends on context, but in terms of current intercounty squads, they have a good few, Brogans, Flynn, McAuley, Connolly, O'Sullivan, McCarthy. It's not fitness that's overheating the scoreboard. I agree that I believe they are beatable, but for me they definitely have great footballers
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Post by Jo90 on Aug 10, 2014 7:49:39 GMT
Dublin 1/4 to win the All-Ireland. I can't remember the last time a team were that short at the semi final stage.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Aug 10, 2014 8:13:03 GMT
It won't be Dublin at their ease this time, for starters The Farny will (should!) bring much more intensity, and no little quality to the game than Meath. Also they are very battle-hardened, and the way they won against Kildare, whilst not at all impressively, is exactly the sort of win they needed, to get over both the Ulster Final hangover, and the Ctoker championship hoodoo, whilst keeping the profile nice and low. Add to that the fact that they've kept very, very quiet this week, and Dublin, unbackable favourites, lack any serious contest in months, and I think this game is a real banana skin for us. I think if Monaghan are as smart as they seemed pre-Ulster final, they will come out and go for a blitz attack opening. The worst thing they could do would be very negative and to look for fights. If they do the right things, and if Dublin are a bit flat and complacent, which is inevitable in some ways, then they will be in this game. I think the other game could be a huge contest, and that Donegal will come through because it's just a year too early for that Armagh team, especially in terms of physicality and cuteness. Re-last weekends games, I think Bolton was very unlucky (but Kildare and their media are always whingeing, so they haven't done themselves any favours, they blew it again). The ref in the Cork-Mayo game explained the time-keeping issue very clearly and adequately, Cork messed up, not as dopily as Mayo last year but nonetheless they messed up. Dublin by plus 10. Monaghan won't compete with them. Dublin are unplayable, your playing a stormer rashers in playing down Dublin's chances. We wont know where Dublin might be at until they play Donegal-lite as compared to Donegal 2012. Not even monkeys get caught on banana skins Good one! Well I did predict we would beat Meath easily but I honestly believed that Monaghan would offer more. Certainly I was very impressed that the lads played with such intensity for 70 minutes, as that will be needed. The difficulty as Mayo and Kerry have found out to their detriment in recent years is that there's no substitute for harder games as preparation for the best opposition. That said Donegal don't look to be at the level of 2 years ago, so I won't be trying to talk them up, even I can't hope to make that sound genuine! Poor Armagh must be sick though, they wasted too many chances.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 10, 2014 9:02:33 GMT
It might be a good year to avoid the Dubs! Disgraceful comment from a Kerryman. okay..let me elaborate. In the 2008 hurling semi final Waterford edged past Tipp and were dismembered by KK in the final 3.30 to 1.13. Waterford haven't been seen since. That KK side peaked in 2008. On the other hand Tipp grew and reached the final of 2009 and went to toe to toe with a KK side that was on the wane to the extent that KK are ever on the wane. By 2010 they were beating KK in the final by 8 points. Now ask youself this question......... what would have happneded Tipp if they reached the 2008 final? Would they have been destroyed mentally if they got what Waterford got in the 2008 final. Clearly Dublin are peaking in 2014. By 2015 Kerry will be a year older and more developed. Do you follow what I am saying. You don't have to agree of course! 2008 Leinster Kilkenny 3-30 : 1-13 Waterford Munster Croke Park, Dublin 82,186 2009 Leinster Kilkenny 2-22 : 0-23 Tipperary Munster Croke Park, Dublin 82,106 2010 Munster Tipperary 4-17 : 1-18 Kilkenny Leinster Croke Park, Dublin 81,765
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Post by diego on Aug 10, 2014 14:05:47 GMT
Apparently he had a huge argument with Des Cahill today and didn't condemn the Donegal doctor being thrown to the ground. He's becoming more and more of a loose cannon(stupid remarks like the O Rourke comment last week and Rachel Wyse comment months ago don't help) and my worry is that sooner or later he could land rte in legal troubleThat'd be ironic given his profession!!! You'd hope that Joe comes up with better arguments than this when he's on the day job... soundcloud.com/rtesport/brolly-push-on-doctor-no-big-deal
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Post by Chinatown on Aug 10, 2014 15:09:26 GMT
If he does it to get a rise, which I suspect he might, then job well done!
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Post by Chinatown on Aug 10, 2014 15:09:45 GMT
If he does it to get a rise, which I suspect he might, then job well done!
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Post by Chinatown on Aug 10, 2014 15:09:56 GMT
If he does it to get a rise, which I suspect he might, then job well done!
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Post by Chinatown on Aug 10, 2014 15:10:44 GMT
If he does it to get a rise, which I suspect he might, then job well done!
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Post by Chinatown on Aug 10, 2014 15:11:07 GMT
If he does it to get a rise, which I suspect he might, then job well done!
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Post by donegalman on Aug 10, 2014 15:12:30 GMT
Personally I am delighted to see Armagh get put out yesterday they have absolutely nothing to offer the championship except a brand of competitiveness that involves all the dirty tricks under the sun. targeting key men, punching when tackling etc etc. And then enforcing a media ban because the whole world is against the wee pets. I remember them doing something very sneaky in 2006 when they sent a waterboy onto the pitch to take out a kerry player, successfully red carding Paul Galvin in the process while the waterboy got a red too, with the exception that armagh still had 15 on the pitch and you guys were suddenly a man down! Anyway, got that off my chest, and can focus on Dublin now. We have little or no chance against them. I am saying this with the realism of someone who has followed football for a long time, and am factoring in the recent and long term form of that dublin team. They will only be stopped if we can suddenly score goals at will, as well as defend like we have never defended before. Unfortunately for us, we are not doing well on the full forward line. I think that it will get exposed against dublin, but there is very little that we can do to stop it.
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Post by Ard Mhacha on Aug 10, 2014 15:25:31 GMT
Personally I am delighted to see Armagh get put out yesterday they have absolutely nothing to offer the championship except a brand of competitiveness that involves all the dirty tricks under the sun. targeting key men, punching when tackling etc etc. And then enforcing a media ban because the whole world is against the wee pets. I remember them doing something very sneaky in 2006 when they sent a waterboy onto the pitch to take out a kerry player, successfully red carding Paul Galvin in the process while the waterboy got a red too, with the exception that armagh still had 15 on the pitch and you guys were suddenly a man down! Anyway, got that off my chest, and can focus on Dublin now. ...aaand breathe
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