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Post by Jigz84 on Jul 14, 2014 15:38:56 GMT
Andy Moran and Alan Dillon were both poor yesterday and contributed little. Vaughan was well beaten. Keegan is the hearbeat of Mayo, keep him honest and you're halfway to beating them in my view.
Galway's decision-making at times up front was horrendous but should improve as they are all relatively young.
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Post by Dermot on Jul 15, 2014 11:52:53 GMT
Well done Armagh .. Better team won on the day ... we are just awful !! .. even with the loss of Harte to injury and Mattie Donnelly to a red card we still should have put up a better fight than we did. Only for the older guys like Sean Cavanagh, Conor Gormley (wish we had a few more like him !!) and Stevie O'Neill we would have been beaten by a cricket score ... These new lads just dont cut the mustard Im afraid Not sure what direction Tyrone will go now but I believe Mickey isnt for leaving anyway !!
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Post by delorean on Jul 15, 2014 12:24:45 GMT
Have to say, the draw seems awfully unbalanced. What is the purpose of the 2 groups anyway ? I think it's to give the Leinster & Ulster runners up an extra week to prepare for their Round 4 qualifier. In years gone by they've only had six days recovery and invariably lost.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 16, 2014 17:26:51 GMT
Meath and Dublin on Sunday.
Meath gave Dublin plenty of it last year and did a great job on Cluxtons kickouts. Their forwards couldn't finish off enough chances. I have a feeling that on Sunday Meath will invoke the spirit of Lyons/Harnan/Coyle and hit early and often and the younger Dubs may find it tough going.
The trick is to force Dublin to make substitutions early which would lessen the impact of late substitutions by Dublin which is where they have it over all teams at the moment.
Dublin will probably prevail but should McAuley be stymied then this could be really close.
Still waiting for rashers to tell us that the league points to a facile win for Dublin. Time is running out!
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 17, 2014 7:19:07 GMT
50-55 thousand people is the estimated crowd for Sundays Leinster Final, a smallish crowd for a Dublin home game in a big Croker game. It is strange that Dublin's style of play isn't filling Croke Park. The lack of competition in Leinster probably is not helping.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 17, 2014 9:37:39 GMT
50-55 thousand people is the estimated crowd for Sundays Leinster Final, a smallish crowd for a Dublin home game in a big Croker game. It is strange that Dublin's style of play isn't filling Croke Park. The lack of competition in Leinster probably is not helping. To be fair the "fans" are probably aware enough that there are bigger games to come. Although I thought they would be keen on playing Mee-ad. EDIT: I have since learnt that there was less than 55,000 last year.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 18, 2014 15:06:40 GMT
50-55 thousand people is the estimated crowd for Sundays Leinster Final, a smallish crowd for a Dublin home game in a big Croker game. It is strange that Dublin's style of play isn't filling Croke Park. The lack of competition in Leinster probably is not helping. To be fair the "fans" are probably aware enough that there are bigger games to come. Although I thought they would be keen on playing Mee-ad. EDIT: I have since learnt that there was less than 55,000 last year. That is the problem with the monster that is emerging, the fans will cherry pick the games they will attend. Some close games on the cards this weekend, tight in the North with Donegal to win, Dublin in Leinster, Kildare to beat Clare while Ros V Armagh is too difficult to call.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jul 19, 2014 20:43:56 GMT
Meath and Dublin on Sunday. Meath gave Dublin plenty of it last year and did a great job on Cluxtons kickouts. Their forwards couldn't finish off enough chances. I have a feeling that on Sunday Meath will invoke the spirit of Lyons/Harnan/Coyle and hit early and often and the younger Dubs may find it tough going. The trick is to force Dublin to make substitutions early which would lessen the impact of late substitutions by Dublin which is where they have it over all teams at the moment. Dublin will probably prevail but should McAuley be stymied then this could be really close. Still waiting for rashers to tell us that the league points to a facile win for Dublin. Time is running out! Rashers is still waiting for you to reply to a question I posted a few weeks ago! Anyway I don't really understand your question, is it that the league was a facile win or that the way the league was won points to facile Leinster wins or what? As for tomorrow's LFinal, my feeling is a fairly facile win is on the cards for us. This season so far has been less like last year, since the 2nd half of the league semi onwards anyway, in that we seem to be that bit more in control of games, with some signs of improvement in 1st half performance perhaps. And I've not seen the improvement in Meath from last year that many others seem to. That said they should be physically and in terms of conditioning be able to last the pace better than last year, but I also think Dublin are better than last year and I can't see us letting Meath get a chance to get close enough to win. Another thing about Meath from what I've seen, for a big team they really don't seem to have the physicality. I thought they were really loose against Kildare. And not exactly lightning quick either. They have some handy forwards like Bray, and a young diamond in Newman. If they play anything like parts of the Kildare game they will get pasted. Armagh on a nice run now. Never ceases to amaze me how poorly Roscommon have performed over the years, considering the young talent thay have had coming through. Anyway the Geeser factor seems to have really helped The Orchard, they won't be a nice proposition for most teams. On the other hand, they are at risk of getting further than their abilities if you know what I mean so a bad beating in a quarter final is quite possible. Still, definite progress. Clare must be sick, they absolutely blew it. Kildare as poor as ever really. Monaghan trying to win back-to-back Ulsters for the first time in 84 years, if they keep setting the landmarks other teams could start to worry! Should be some battle, a win for Donegal would very much re-ignite their mojo I feel. Both teams would be interesting opposition in the qualifiers/quarters.................. Kerry are in a very good position now, nothing expected of them and coming together nicely. With the way the draw is I wouldn't bet against them making the All-I final, if they can grow with each game. Can't see Mayo having the stomach to face a third in a row.
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Post by sidelined on Jul 19, 2014 20:57:15 GMT
have to agree with rashers as regards the conditioning of the meath footballers, while not unfit they seem to carry excess weight on them compared to other teams.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 19, 2014 23:04:56 GMT
Kildare kicked the last 7 points to win by a point. It should embolden them for the next game
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 20, 2014 10:41:57 GMT
Kildare kicked the last 7 points to win by a point. It should embolden them for the next game They are *e beyond belief. Have you seen them play this year?
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 20, 2014 11:46:05 GMT
A team season can turn by winning a game like this away from home.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 20, 2014 12:14:18 GMT
A team season can turn by winning a game like this away from home. Not if they are incapable of kicking the ball. They are very poor.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 20, 2014 13:43:16 GMT
Looks like rashers is right about the Leinster Final. Game looks like its over at half time. Meath poor and Dublin in second gear. McAuley should have walked.
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Post by veteran on Jul 20, 2014 18:55:51 GMT
Some people say that Stephen Cluxton, M.D. Macaulay and Paul O'Flynn are the three most important players on the Dublin team and they may be right. It is not unfair to say that they were scarcely Dublin's most important players today. In spite of that, they eviscerated Meath. The other boyos can't be too bad either! In a way, this Dublin team remind me of the Kerry team who won four in a row and then three in a row. That team did not just beat teams, very often they massacred tams and thereby demoralised them and, as a result, put the fear of God in the team they were to oppose next. There is a strong element of that about the current Dubs.
A lot of people bemoan Dublin's current dominance. If a Dublin dominance it is to be, the redeeming feature is that they are dominating by playing football of the first rank. One cannot say that about what we saw in Clones today. This was unadulterated drivel, an exhibition of the type of football that repels, repels me at least. I was naive enough to imagine that the black card would eliminate most of this diabolical tripe. Now, I accept that the blanket defence is a legitimate concept and ,understandably, it will be utiised as long as it is perceived to be successful. But will it attract people to play the game and watch the game? I submit that the only aspect of that type of game which persuades people to leave their home is the element of tribalism. Admittedly, tribalism is a hugely important concept in the GAA but it should not be the only ingredient in a particular match. Surely, the casual follower will not be tempted to come again by the level of finesse and skill on show in the Donegal/Monaghan. For example, witness the asinine approach of Monaghan today. Repeatedly , they deliver a long kick into their one forward up front who has to contend with four or five Donegal defenders, while the bulk of their team wander around ,like a flock of sheep who have lost their way, awaiting Donegal's next offensive move. The cure? My old hobby horse. Curtail the hand pass- limit it to two or three in any particular movement. Then watch the "blanket defence" kick pass their way up the field rather than "basketball" their way towards the opposing goal.
As far as I know, the county who won the senior championship in each province also won the minor. If that is so, I wonder has this been done before?
Rashers, I thought my old friend Denis Bastick had retired.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2014 21:39:29 GMT
It's hard to see Dublin getting beat . They are beating teams in second gear . Leinster is terrible a one horse race and looking at Dublins minor and u21 teams it does not look like changing . The thing about them is they have a strong bench and always bring players in when things are not going their way . They look like certs for the All Ireland again . It will take an exceptional display from Kerry , Mayo , Donegal etc to beat them .
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Post by fitz on Jul 20, 2014 23:34:17 GMT
It does look like they will be hard to stop. Meath were pathetic today. Laois were leading at half time and in the game til last 15. Sure Dublin are formidable but if we keep talking them up, sure give them the cup now. Ad nauseum we almost beat them last year with only four players playing really well. They cough up big scores too. If you've got a good team and Kerry, Mayo and Donegal are good team, you can't go in against these guys with a we'll give it our best attitude. You've got to have the mindset that you're going to win. They are definitely beatable. Donegal will be an intriguing opponent if the quarters go as expected
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jul 21, 2014 1:53:42 GMT
If will be hard for them to win if they concede say five goals..
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Jul 21, 2014 6:14:52 GMT
The Dublin minors looked decent yesterday, however , Kildare hadn't their homework done on young Callaghan, who destroyed them. They switched men when the damage was done and when they found themselves 8 points behind after 30 min. The goals came directly from Kildare mistakes, the goalkeeper's kick outs were costly also and put them under serious pressure. They started out well with Sean Billy Dempsey causing plenty of problems at full forward and Con Kavanagh doing well at midfield. However, as soon as Dublin hit their stride, Kildare had no answer. Kildare were short one of their better forwards in Ben Mc Cormack, who came in as a second half sub. Kildare now face kerry, in my opinion, they may struggle against kerry if kerry move the ball like they did against cork.
Dublin seniors were a class apart. They just blew Meath away and continued to pummel them for 55mins. Meath had no answer to their power, pace, skill and strength. I can't see any team coming close to them if they continue to play as they have been. I don't see any reason why they won't. The Meath players were blowing hard after 20 minutes and they knew the game was up very early on.
I saw the "highlights" of the Donegal v Monaghan game on TV last night. It was horrendous stuff, more of the same anti football, rugby league rubbish from two teams intent on negating each other. To hear a fine footballer like Dermot Earley say that he enjoyed the game and found it fascinating was more than a little disappointing. It was pure muck as a spectacle and an insult to our game. I hope Dublin annihilate them both at quarter and semi final stages.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 21, 2014 7:33:35 GMT
A poor Leinster Final that was over after 20 minutes, Meath wilted early and easily while Dublin continue to be the team to beat. Compared to the Ulster final, Dublin continue to be a breath of fresh air in the footballing world. Their game is very attractive and easy on the eye as they begin to remind us of the Kerry team between '75 and '86 with their domination of teams.
Dublin should see to the tidying up in that side of the draw albeit their semi final with Donegal will be hugely interesting, a clash of two cultures and footballing styles. Donegal will get stronger this year as the season progresses but without Mark McHugh and with a substandard McFadden and Lacey it is difficult to see them reaching the pitch of the 2012 Donegal version. You sense Dublin have the ability to go defensive if required, we caught a glimpse of it midway through the first half yesterday with Mannion and BB collecting deep ball as they sucked the life out of Meath, with Donegal as required. That particular semi final might not be a high scoring game.
The four semi finalists seem to be shaping up to be Dublin v Donegal and Mayo v Kerry, unless Cork can resurrect their season.
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Post by buck02 on Jul 21, 2014 8:24:29 GMT
It wont be as easy for Donegal to implement their system at Croke Park but it would not overly surprise me if they took Dublin scalp assuming both sides come through their quarter finals.
I also assume Dublin will be missing O Gara for the remainder of the season which will weaken them somewhat.
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Post by kerryexile on Jul 21, 2014 8:44:29 GMT
St Pats College in Navan won a couple of college titles under the management of principal Colm O’Rourke in the early “noughties”. As the years went on they tried to bring as many as possible of these teams through to county level. They played a speedy attacking game and seemed to be on their way when the beat Tyrone well in 2007. In the long run neither the style nor the players were up to modern intercounty standard. Management persisted. Yesterday was the end of that era.
Meath found themselves completely over powered. In these circumstances the game takes a pattern and the score line can be exaggerated. Dublin are definitely a formidable force but they are not unbeatable. Donegal will be a major test for them.
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Post by inforthebreaks on Jul 21, 2014 9:34:53 GMT
A poor Leinster Final that was over after 20 minutes, Meath wilted early and easily while Dublin continue to be the team to beat. Compared to the Ulster final, Dublin continue to be a breath of fresh air in the footballing world. Their game is very attractive and easy on the eye as they begin to remind us of the Kerry team between '75 and '86 with their domination of teams. Dublin should see to the tidying up in that side of the draw albeit their semi final with Donegal will be hugely interesting, a clash of two cultures and footballing styles. Donegal will get stronger this year as the season progresses but without Mark McHugh and with a substandard McFadden and Lacey it is difficult to see them reaching the pitch of the 2012 Donegal version. You sense Dublin have the ability to go defensive if required, we caught a glimpse of it midway through the first half yesterday with Mannion and BB collecting deep ball as they sucked the life out of Meath, with Donegal as required. That particular semi final might not be a high scoring game. The four semi finalists seem to be shaping up to be Dublin v Donegal and Mayo v Kerry, unless Cork can resurrect their season. That was the biggest thing for me yesterday, how poor mcfadden was compared to 2012, everything he kicked that year seemed to go over and yesterday his shots were all over the place. at least in the parts of the match I could bear to watch. It was truly dire stuff
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Post by donegalman on Jul 21, 2014 14:30:50 GMT
I saw the "highlights" of the Donegal v Monaghan game on TV last night. It was horrendous stuff, more of the same anti football, rugby league rubbish from two teams intent on negating each other. To hear a fine footballer like Dermot Earley say that he enjoyed the game and found it fascinating was more than a little disappointing. It was pure muck as a spectacle and an insult to our game. I hope Dublin annihilate them both at quarter and semi final stages.
Thats a bit over the top. To hope dublin annihilate any team again this year is not the way forward for football whether u want to admit it or not. For a start, if teams dont try to close them down, they will run amok and do so in an even more spectacular way than they did so far this year. Personally, i could not care less if we go out the next day and win 6 points to 5, so long as we do the things right in terms of defense. I watched the munster final, and credit where credit is due to kerry, they won it stylishly in terms of their own performance. But would they have played as well against either donegal or monaghan? no question they would not have. And people would have watched a close game instead of a training session.
I think that the all ireland this year will be won by dublin, but it is really up to us to try and stay competitive. There is no future for the game if we are going to watch games finished at half time or before it. Not unless counties are prepared to do what it takes to get with the program.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 21, 2014 15:06:09 GMT
I saw the "highlights" of the Donegal v Monaghan game on TV last night. It was horrendous stuff, more of the same anti football, rugby league rubbish from two teams intent on negating each other. To hear a fine footballer like Dermot Earley say that he enjoyed the game and found it fascinating was more than a little disappointing. It was pure muck as a spectacle and an insult to our game. I hope Dublin annihilate them both at quarter and semi final stages. Thats a bit over the top. To hope dublin annihilate any team again this year is not the way forward for football whether u want to admit it or not. For a start, if teams dont try to close them down, they will run amok and do so in an even more spectacular way than they did so far this year. Personally, i could not care less if we go out the next day and win 6 points to 5, so long as we do the things right in terms of defense. I watched the munster final, and credit where credit is due to kerry, they won it stylishly in terms of their own performance. But would they have played as well against either donegal or monaghan? no question they would not have. And people would have watched a close game instead of a training session. I think that the all ireland this year will be won by dublin, but it is really up to us to try and stay competitive. There is no future for the game if we are going to watch games finished at half time or before it. Not unless counties are prepared to do what it takes to get with the program. Very good points donegalman. Donegal were superb and fascinating in 2012 and played some brilliant football. It is up to teams to find a way of outscoring them. Hard to see them reaching the same pitch in 2014. All the same a potential Dublin v Donegal game has the makings of fascinating tactical battle if Dublin don't overrun them.
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Jul 21, 2014 17:35:58 GMT
I saw the "highlights" of the Donegal v Monaghan game on TV last night. It was horrendous stuff, more of the same anti football, rugby league rubbish from two teams intent on negating each other. To hear a fine footballer like Dermot Earley say that he enjoyed the game and found it fascinating was more than a little disappointing. It was pure muck as a spectacle and an insult to our game. I hope Dublin annihilate them both at quarter and semi final stages. Thats a bit over the top. To hope dublin annihilate any team again this year is not the way forward for football whether u want to admit it or not. For a start, if teams dont try to close them down, they will run amok and do so in an even more spectacular way than they did so far this year. Personally, i could not care less if we go out the next day and win 6 points to 5, so long as we do the things right in terms of defense. I watched the munster final, and credit where credit is due to kerry, they won it stylishly in terms of their own performance. But would they have played as well against either donegal or monaghan? no question they would not have. And people would have watched a close game instead of a training session. I think that the all ireland this year will be won by dublin, but it is really up to us to try and stay competitive. There is no future for the game if we are going to watch games finished at half time or before it. Not unless counties are prepared to do what it takes to get with the program. Point taken Donegalman, however I, personally would care if we went out and won 6 points to 5 the next day. I like to see teams that put the foot in football. I have sat through Donegal games on 3 occasions in the past 3 years and I don't like it. To me, it's not football. I like to see high scoring, attack minded games where the emphasis is on skill and score taking as opposed to defence and stopping the opposition by parking several buses in front of the goals. Just my opinion.
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Post by southward on Jul 21, 2014 18:14:32 GMT
I saw the "highlights" of the Donegal v Monaghan game on TV last night. It was horrendous stuff, more of the same anti football, rugby league rubbish from two teams intent on negating each other. To hear a fine footballer like Dermot Earley say that he enjoyed the game and found it fascinating was more than a little disappointing. It was pure muck as a spectacle and an insult to our game. I hope Dublin annihilate them both at quarter and semi final stages. Thats a bit over the top. To hope dublin annihilate any team again this year is not the way forward for football whether u want to admit it or not. For a start, if teams dont try to close them down, they will run amok and do so in an even more spectacular way than they did so far this year. Personally, i could not care less if we go out the next day and win 6 points to 5, so long as we do the things right in terms of defense. I watched the munster final, and credit where credit is due to kerry, they won it stylishly in terms of their own performance. But would they have played as well against either donegal or monaghan? no question they would not have. And people would have watched a close game instead of a training session. I think that the all ireland this year will be won by dublin, but it is really up to us to try and stay competitive. There is no future for the game if we are going to watch games finished at half time or before it. Not unless counties are prepared to do what it takes to get with the program. No of course they wouldn't. But that's kind of the point; this "style" makes it difficult for anyone to play the game. Some people think the game not being played is OK as long as they win. Others don't. Obviously some games are better than others and there are times that all teams have to sacrifice the pretty stuff to grind one out; but there's a limit.
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Post by sidelined on Jul 22, 2014 10:04:17 GMT
okay the quality of football at times can be dire when teams are trying to break down donegals system, but its intriguing watching them try. donegals system depends on taking an early lead and suck teams in and catch them on counter attack. mc fadden was on fire in 2012, they badly need someone to shoulder that responsibility this year. murphy has gone very defencive for such a quaility attacker.
mcguinness knew that donegal would never win an ulster title let alone an allireland if they played "normal football system" what that is now days
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Post by skybluezone on Jul 22, 2014 13:46:29 GMT
okay the quality of football at times can be dire when teams are trying to break down donegals system, but its intriguing watching them try. donegals system depends on taking an early lead and suck teams in and catch them on counter attack. mc fadden was on fire in 2012, they badly need someone to shoulder that responsibility this year. murphy has gone very defencive for such a quaility attacker. mcguinness knew that donegal would never win an ulster title let alone an allireland if they played "normal football system" what that is now days The problem with this is that it's only intriguing when the other team are trying to play football. What happens when both teams play with this "tactic" is that you get a complete slugfest, see Donegal v Monaghan. Take this tactic to its nth degree, you would have two teams with 13 men inside their own half, handpassing it to each other with no pressure on the ball. You would also need two balls, the score would be nil all, and there would be nobody there to watch it. Without wishing to get ahead of myself here in terms of a potential semi final, Brendan Devenney was on newstalk last night extolling the virtues of Donegal. He said McGuinness is a genius, and also threw into the mix that in the history of sport, when a great defensive set up comes up against a great attacking set up, the defensive set up wins 100% of the time. Which was all news to me but interesting nonetheless. He said there is not a chance that Dublin will beat Donegal in a semi final. Much to ponder in all of that.
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Post by buck02 on Jul 22, 2014 17:35:42 GMT
okay the quality of football at times can be dire when teams are trying to break down donegals system, but its intriguing watching them try. donegals system depends on taking an early lead and suck teams in and catch them on counter attack. mc fadden was on fire in 2012, they badly need someone to shoulder that responsibility this year. murphy has gone very defencive for such a quaility attacker. mcguinness knew that donegal would never win an ulster title let alone an allireland if they played "normal football system" what that is now days The problem with this is that it's only intriguing when the other team are trying to play football. What happens when both teams play with this "tactic" is that you get a complete slugfest, see Donegal v Monaghan. Take this tactic to its nth degree, you would have two teams with 13 men inside their own half, handpassing it to each other with no pressure on the ball. You would also need two balls, the score would be nil all, and there would be nobody there to watch it. Without wishing to get ahead of myself here in terms of a potential semi final, Brendan Devenney was on newstalk last night extolling the virtues of Donegal. He said McGuinness is a genius, and also threw into the mix that in the history of sport, when a great defensive set up comes up against a great attacking set up, the defensive set up wins 100% of the time. Which was all news to me but interesting nonetheless. He said there is not a chance that Dublin will beat Donegal in a semi final. Much to ponder in all of that. While one can only admire how McGuinness has changed the mindset of the Donegal players and installed a huge profesionalism in the group, if he was winning matches by playing a decent brand of football then I would call him a genius. However I dont think it takes a genius to get huge numbers of bodies behind the ball and have them fit enough and disciplined enough to play the "system" of play Donegal operate. And I know its easy for us Kerry people, with our 36 All Irelands, to romanticise about how the game should be played. If you were from Donegal, with their history, I'm sure you'd be delighted to have won 3 of the last 4 Ulster titles and an All Ireland, with a good chance of another this year. But I wonder how long you could stomach seeing that type of football played, game after game after game. If McGuiness manages to evolve Donegal into a side the "neutral" will flock to see, then I would call him a genius. But not until then.
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