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Post by kerrygold on Jun 16, 2014 8:07:06 GMT
TSG did a great job in highlighting Sean Cavenagh's disgraceful cheating - they showed him twice, grabbing an apponent by the arm as he was tackled and diving to the ground, pulling down his opponent. It looked like he was cynically dragged down and a Monanghan Player got a black when he was the one doing the fouling. A lot of Tyrone People were very indignant when Brolly called Cavenagh a cheat and a disgrace - what will the same people say now. It's pathetic to see once great players reduced to this kind of cynical cheating - it's time fot Harte and a few lads like Cavenagh to call it a day. It will be interesting to see if the black cards for the Monaghan players will be rescinded if Cavanagh is shown to have been cheating.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 16, 2014 10:22:23 GMT
Young players are coached to grab the opponents hand and fall down if the opponent is naïve enough to leave the hand in long enough. This had been going for decades. Some of Kerrys golden years team had it perfected. The object was to win a free.
Now its a bit different as a black card can also ensue. So what should Mickey Harte tell Sean Cavanagh to do from now on?
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Post by Ard Mhacha on Jun 16, 2014 10:27:05 GMT
I noticed that yesterday, Sully.
It was petty and embarrassing to be honest. Heard different reports as to how it started. I'd day 99% of people weren't aware of which team parades where. I certainly didn't. And who cares anyway ffs?
It raises questions about home c'ship games and parades, but it's there so get on with it. We've 3 men off now for the semi which makes our job near impossible.
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Post by Ard Mhacha on Jun 16, 2014 10:37:30 GMT
Re: forward pulling defender to ground
I played football for near two decades, under many coaches. I have never yet heard any of them showing underhand tactics to win games (maybe that's why I didn't win a big pile). But all this talk about u12 or 14s being coached how to do draw a foul, dive etc is ridiculous.
What happened to out-thinking your opponent, beating him with skill, fitness or talent? I can't stand any form of cheating but today's game is rife with it and not just at senior level. So much for playing the game in the right way.
I hate to think what the next generations players will be like.
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Post by Dermot on Jun 16, 2014 13:19:05 GMT
Well we were pretty damn awful yesterday ... The surprising thing is that our defense played ok, it was our forwards who were sh1te :-(. We could still have snatched a draw though but it would have probably been a tad unfair on Monaghan .. best team won!
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 16, 2014 13:19:33 GMT
Players are told to put the hand in and out quickly. If you leave it in it will be grabbed. Sean Cavanagh being unfairly treated again by Brolly and Co.
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Post by Dermot on Jun 16, 2014 13:33:56 GMT
Yep, its turned into a real Witch hunt at this stage ..... Brolly's little screwed up mug is really starting to grind now !!
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 16, 2014 18:03:21 GMT
Very little sympathy for Cavanagh here.
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Jun 16, 2014 20:32:15 GMT
Re: forward pulling defender to ground I played football for near two decades, under many coaches. I have never yet heard any of them showing underhand tactics to win games (maybe that's why I didn't win a big pile). But all this talk about u12 or 14s being coached how to do draw a foul, dive etc is ridiculous. What happened to out-thinking your opponent, beating him with skill, fitness or talent? I can't stand any form of cheating but today's game is rife with it and not just at senior level. So much for playing the game in the right way. I hate to think what the next generations players will be like. Spot on Ard Mhaca, it's yet another myth. No young person that I have come across, has been coached to do any of the above mentioned things. I believe that the vast majority of coaching is done to improve skills and develop players as people also. Kids are coached to be honest and sporting. It's only when it gets to the dog eat dog level that senior inter-county is,that players have this type of stuff pointed out to them. I watch underage club and colleges matches on a very regular basis and seldom see the type of antics that were on display yesterday. Tyrone were very poor, for long periods, yesterday. It took Monaghan a long time to pull away but the doubts began to settle in, once more, as the finishing line appeared. Tyrone's full back line has been a problem for over a year now and doesn't show signs of improvement. I believe that all the chopping and changing isn't doing Tyrone team confidence any good. They have issues around midfield also and have a job of work to make the progress that they are accustomed to.
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Post by sullyschoice on Jun 16, 2014 22:09:11 GMT
Last week my daughter was playing an under 11 game and the ref blew up a couple of minutes early because of the amount of off the ball incidents that were being committed by the opposition. I would suggest that those girls didn't think up that tactic themselves. It Sickens me. I got rid of a fella from my under 14 team who kicked a fella on the ground. It's just unacceptable.
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Post by kerryeye on Jun 17, 2014 9:44:35 GMT
Young players are coached to grab the opponents hand and fall down if the opponent is naïve enough to leave the hand in long enough. This had been going for decades. Some of Kerrys golden years team had it perfected. The object was to win a free. Now its a bit different as a black card can also ensue. So what should Mickey Harte tell Sean Cavanagh to do from now on? Id love to find out what underage coaches do this kind of thing.Am i right or are yourself and Sully based in dublin?Maybe its just up there that this happens,there is no way you would find someone in Kerry at this.
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Post by Dermot on Jun 17, 2014 12:09:42 GMT
Re: forward pulling defender to ground I played football for near two decades, under many coaches. I have never yet heard any of them showing underhand tactics to win games (maybe that's why I didn't win a big pile). But all this talk about u12 or 14s being coached how to do draw a foul, dive etc is ridiculous. What happened to out-thinking your opponent, beating him with skill, fitness or talent? I can't stand any form of cheating but today's game is rife with it and not just at senior level. So much for playing the game in the right way. I hate to think what the next generations players will be like. Spot on Ard Mhaca, it's yet another myth. No young person that I have come across, has been coached to do any of the above mentioned things. I believe that the vast majority of coaching is done to improve skills and develop players as people also. Kids are coached to be honest and sporting. It's only when it gets to the dog eat dog level that senior inter-county is,that players have this type of stuff pointed out to them. I watch underage club and colleges matches on a very regular basis and seldom see the type of antics that were on display yesterday. Tyrone were very poor, for long periods, yesterday. It took Monaghan a long time to pull away but the doubts began to settle in, once more, as the finishing line appeared. Tyrone's full back line has been a problem for over a year now and doesn't show signs of improvement. I believe that all the chopping and changing isn't doing Tyrone team confidence any good. They have issues around midfield also and have a job of work to make the progress that they are accustomed to. Very true, we have a different line up every week .. and that has been going on for the last 3 years !! ... But even so, I just dont think that we currently have enough players that are up to it ...
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 17, 2014 18:32:34 GMT
Young players are coached to grab the opponents hand and fall down if the opponent is naïve enough to leave the hand in long enough. This had been going for decades. Some of Kerrys golden years team had it perfected. The object was to win a free. Now its a bit different as a black card can also ensue. So what should Mickey Harte tell Sean Cavanagh to do from now on? Id love to find out what underage coaches do this kind of thing.Am i right or are yourself and Sully based in dublin?Maybe its just up there that this happens,there is no way you would find someone in Kerry at this. I never mentioned underage players. By young I have minor and u21 players who are being introduced to the cynical world of intercounty football. If people genuinely believe that Kerry players of the past 10 years didn't grab an opponents hand and haul them to the ground then ..well..... I am amazed. The only difference in 2014 is that a black card is a possibility now for the poor guy who is hauled down.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 17, 2014 20:12:50 GMT
Haven't seen Kerry players do that. Our speciality seems to be a bit of diving I am afraid to say.
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Post by glengael on Jun 19, 2014 9:28:36 GMT
Plenty of non-Kerry games at the weekend to consider.
Donegal to continue on the road back towards the summit and some semblance of a Galway revival to appear v Sligo perhaps.
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Post by jackmurphy on Jun 19, 2014 11:38:54 GMT
Cork Team v Tipp.
1. Ken O’Halloran (Bishopstown) 2. Michael Shields (St. Finbarr’s) 3. Thomas Clancy (Clonakilty) 4. Noel Galvin (Ballincollig) 5. James Loughrey (Mallow) 6. Patrick Kelly (Ballincollig) 7. John O’Rourke (Carbery Rangers) 8. Andrew O’Sullivan (Castletownbere) 9. Fintan Goold (Macroom) 10. Mark Collins (Castlehaven) 11. Paul Kerrigan (Nemo Rangers) 12. Barry O’Driscoll (Nemo Rangers) 13. Daniel Goulding (Éire Óg) 14. Brian Hurley (Castlehaven) 15. John Hayes (Carbery Rangers)
While Brian Cuthbert has elected to start without the three dual players, Damien Cahalane, Aidan Walsh and Eoin Cadogan, he has nonetheless named an experienced side, with Noel Galvin the only championship débutant.
Subs 16. David Hanrahan (Douglas) 17. Jamie O’Sullivan (Bishopstown) 18. Eoin Cadogan (Douglas) 19. Damien Cahalane (Castlehaven) 20. Tomás Clancy (Fermoy) 21. Aidan Walsh (Kanturk) 22. Ruairi Deane (Bantry Blues) 23. Colm O’Driscoll (Tadhg MacCárthaigh) 24. Donal Óg Hodnett (O’Donovan Rossa) 25. Colm O’Neill (Ballyclough) 26. Cathal Vaughan (Uibh Laoire)
Not considered due to injury: Donncha O'Connor, Kevin Crowley, Brian O'Driscoll
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Post by kerryeye on Jun 19, 2014 11:58:04 GMT
There isnt a whole pile for us to fear in that Cork side.While we have obviously been weakened this year I would still fancy us to beat Cork.
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Post by givehimaball on Jun 19, 2014 18:15:21 GMT
Obvious what Cuthbert really thinks of the dual player idea.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 21, 2014 19:18:40 GMT
ALL-IRELAND QUALIFIERS ROUND 1A: DERRY 2-14 LONGFORD 2-16
Longford pulled off a giant-killing victory in the first round of the All-Ireland Football Qualifiers by knocking Derry out of the championship for the second time in three years.
Jack Sheedy's side were relegated to Division IV this spring, but they were deserving winners against a Derry side who contested the Division I final just two months ago. Nine different Longford players scored from play and the long-range shooting of Man of the Match Paul Barden, Francis McGee, Michael Quinn, Brian Kavanagh and Sean McCormack, was the telling factor.
Most of the drama came in the last ten minutes when Derry came from five points down to draw level with goals from Benny Heron and skipper Mark Lynch.
Lynch's superb strike after 63 minutes undid all of Longford's hard work but the visitors' substitute Mark Hughes responded with a goal a minute later. Hughes' brilliant dummy beat goalkeeper Thomas Mallon and he finished the ball to the net to add to Longford's back-door wins over Derry in 2006 and 2012.
Derry scored the opening three points of the game inside seven minutes, teenage rookie Terence O'Brien among the scorers, and also led 0-7 to 0-3 after 25 minutes. But Paul Barden's goal before half-time got Longford's noses in front and they led by 1-6 to 0-7 at the break.
A depleted Derry, without six of the starters who lost to Donegal in the Ulster championship, crumbled spectacularly in the second half. Even when the brilliant Lynch and James Kielt got scores on the board, they were undone by a porous defence and shaky midfield.
Longford continued the second half where they'd left off before the interval. Former AFL star Michael Quinn made up for a quiet first half with two points from play, one off either foot, while defenders Shane Mulligan and Barry Gilleran bombed forward to stretch their lead to four points.
Benny Heron's '45' ended a 15-minute scoring drought for Derry. Longford's ability to kick long-range scores, with Francis McGee becoming their seventh player to score from play, maintained their comfortable lead.
Derry started pushing for a goal – and ended up getting two in two minutes from Benny Heron and a screamer from skipper Lynch. Lynch's strike from 20m with seven minutes to go somehow brought Derry level at 2-11 to 1-14 but Hughes' dummy and finish was the decisive score in an entertaining game.
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Scorers for Derry: M Lynch 1-4 (2f), J Kielt 0-4 (1f), E Lynn 0-2, T O'Brien 0-2, B Heron 1-1 (a '45'), SL McGoldrick 0-1
Scorers for Longford: S McCormack 0-4 (2f), P Barden 1-2, M Hughes 1-0, B Kavanagh 0-3 (1f), C Smyth 0-1, S Mulligan 0-1, M Quinn 0-2, B Gilleran 0-1, F McGee 0-2
DERRY: T Mallon; O Duffy, C McKaigue, A McAlynn; G McKinless, M Craig, SL McGoldrick; M Lynch, K Johnston; A Devlin, E Bradley, E Lynn; J Kielt, T O'Brien, C McFaul. Subs: G O'Kane for McAlynn (BC, 14), B Heron for Duffy (24), N Holly for E Bradley (HT), D McKinless for Devlin (41)
LONGFORD: D Sheridan; D Brady, B Gilleran, F Battrim; C Smyth, E Williams, S Mulligan; B O'Farrell, K Diffley; M Quinn, F McGee, P Barden; A Rowan, B Kavanagh, S McCormack. Subs: M Hughes for Rowan (61), N Mulligan for Diffley (64)
REFEREE: Martin Higgins (Fermanagh)
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 21, 2014 19:20:44 GMT
1.10 to Tipp. Cork 12 points 28 mins gone in second half.
Wide for Tipp by Peter Acheson with 5 to go
Tipp building again. Conor Sweeney kicks a wide for Tipp..their 13th.
Sub Hugh Coughlin gives it to Brian Mulvihill and he points for Tipp....4 mins to go
Aiden WAlsh kicks a point for Cork.... one point in it with 32 mins gone
Cork have a free in the middle.... Cathal Vaughan for Cork kicks it in...free out to Tipp. Tipp make a sub to waste time.....
Tipp build again.... corner corner back clears to Patrick Kelly.... Fintan Gould has it ..ball recycled.... Aiden Walsh lamps it over the bar..... LEVEL
Cork have it again.... Tipp win it back.... Tipp on the Cork 50.....wide for Tipp.
36 mins gone...Patrick Kelly to Barry ODriscoll to Aiden WALSH.... point for Cork...
Cadogan has it to Patrick Kelly to Barry O Driscoll.... point
Cork lead by two points... 16 pts to 1.11...
GAME OVER
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 21, 2014 19:31:48 GMT
Galway beat Sligo by 16 points to 11
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Post by delorean on Jun 23, 2014 9:35:55 GMT
Obvious what Cuthbert really thinks of the dual player idea. Yeah I think the draw with Waterford in the hurling kind of messed things up, preparation wise. I think it was fair to reward the ever present footballers but given Walsh's contribution I'm not sure he'll be willing to take that risk again. Having made the provincial final in both codes, therefore avoiding early qualifier rounds, things should be more straight forward from here on, better still of we manage to win one or both and avoid replays!
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Post by Jigz84 on Jun 23, 2014 12:17:50 GMT
Derry proved themselves to be nothing more than a team full of mostly big men who would struggle come the Summer. To be fair most people on here flagged that when they won in Killarney,
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jun 29, 2014 14:02:58 GMT
Spillane and Brolly agreeing on absolutely everything on Meath v Kildare TSG. An audition for Love/Hate or are we about to witness TSG's first same sex marriage?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2014 19:19:51 GMT
Dublin destroyed Wexford today without moving out of second gear . Leinster has become a joke . No Team can get near them . At least in the past you had good Offaly teams and good Meath teams but now there is nothing and if you look at u21 Dublin is strong there as well . I can't see them losing for a while . I can't see them getting beaten this year . They look really hungry and they have not even started to play well yet . Very strong bench too.
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Post by ballynamona on Jun 29, 2014 20:24:24 GMT
Clutching at straws maybe, but received wisdom that the August Bank Holiday might be the time to 'catch' the Dubs is probably correct. Even then it would take some doing to beat them.
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Post by kerryexile on Jun 29, 2014 20:37:19 GMT
Was in Dublin this morning - was a nice morning - saw all that blue and navy congregating at the bus stops - roll on August.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 29, 2014 20:52:45 GMT
I'll have a go at predicting the post that rashers will write in relation to the Leinster Final. "As yis all know by know, (since I have been banging on about the importance of the League for years on here) I always rate the league very highly and since the dubs won it pulling up and since Meath are a Division 3 outfit, I predict an easy win for the Dubs"
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Jun 29, 2014 23:48:06 GMT
One of the keys to defeating the Dubs is to have a player capable of bullying Michael Darragh. His influence on games is immense and he really makes his presence felt physically. He sorts out opponents and reminds me, in many ways, of the attitude that our Fear Láidir had in his pomp. I don't think Meath have anybody of that calibre. Dublin will win Leinster in a hack canter and come August, will be untested. They have had harder training games than any of their championship matches so far.
Come August, their desire will be really tested but I think they will answer as they have been doing. Creating loads of goal opportunities and taking more of them.
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Post by taggert on Jun 30, 2014 6:11:19 GMT
Misteallaigh abu, spot on re Michael Dara. I note you say Meath don't have that calibre of player, but do we? Buckley couldn't breathe after 20 minutes against Dublin in last years semi - recall the attempt from the ground he kicked before half time which reached 3 feet in height at best. He was bunched. Maher and Moran would not keep up with MdMc either. Both are nice fielders and sweet kickers but neither are the body on the line type players that Dara and Kirby were. The day of the traditional 8 and 9 pairing has gone. The current FOTY is a strong running nuisance who tackles hard, breaks opposition tackles and defensive lines, makes penetrating bursts that yields scores, puts his body on the line and refuses to back down when challenged. In fact, he is very rarely seen plucking balls out of the sky like the midfield laochra Kerry perennially produce. I do wonder if Fitzy has thought about who would be man enough and able enough to take on the challenge were we fortunate enough to meet them again in August/Sept 2014.
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