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Post by Fado on Apr 26, 2014 11:35:54 GMT
Rather than isolating people, this could make for a stronger community. Maybe the house with the Sky box will be like the house with the first television, the neighbours gathering to watch the game in one place on a Sunday, with the possibility of a bit of dinner thrown in too.
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Post by glengael on Apr 26, 2014 18:26:38 GMT
What would the general view in Tyrone and thereabouts be Dermot on the Sky deal? The panellist from Tyrone who is occasionally on Seo Spoirt on TG4, Conal is his first name (don't know his surname) was quite trenchant in his opposition a few weeks ago. Hi Glengael, Folks up here dont think too much of it to tell you the truth ... Most would see it as a bit of an affront to be asking all & sundry to pay sky fees to see their beloved amateur sport .. They would understand better if it was professional but its not!! People want to know just how all this is going to benefit the GAA as an organisation .. Will they see a "demonstrable" benefit to their local clubs or their counties? .. .. I wonder ? They feel this may only benefit the hierarchy .. Just not sure how all this is going to turn out !! Personally I wouldnt have a problem with games being shown on sky but ONLY if those same games were shown on TV .. I also wouldnt have a problem if sky were allowed to exclusively show games which wouldnt otherwise be on TV but thats not likely to happen anyway as those games wouldnt be deemed big enough crowd pullers for sky to bother with!! Its the exclusive games that sky are getting that's p1ssing people off! p.s. Cant think who the Tyrone panelist is tbh! Conal Ó Máirtín is his name. Fair easy on the eye he is, so well suited to Seo Spoirt.
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Post by Dermot on Apr 28, 2014 12:38:07 GMT
Hi Glengael, Folks up here dont think too much of it to tell you the truth ... Most would see it as a bit of an affront to be asking all & sundry to pay sky fees to see their beloved amateur sport .. They would understand better if it was professional but its not!! People want to know just how all this is going to benefit the GAA as an organisation .. Will they see a "demonstrable" benefit to their local clubs or their counties? .. .. I wonder ? They feel this may only benefit the hierarchy .. Just not sure how all this is going to turn out !! Personally I wouldnt have a problem with games being shown on sky but ONLY if those same games were shown on TV .. I also wouldnt have a problem if sky were allowed to exclusively show games which wouldnt otherwise be on TV but thats not likely to happen anyway as those games wouldnt be deemed big enough crowd pullers for sky to bother with!! Its the exclusive games that sky are getting that's p1ssing people off! p.s. Cant think who the Tyrone panelist is tbh! Conal Ó Máirtín is his name. Fair easy on the eye he is, so well suited to Seo Spoirt. Ah sure he's just like the rest of us Tyrone fellas then lol
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Post by haryegsnbaken on May 19, 2014 19:17:09 GMT
Peter Canavan and Paul Earley are announced as analysts for Football on Sky TV.
Jamesie O Connor and Nicky English for the hurling.
First match June 7th. Kilkenny v Offaly .
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Post by seamo on May 19, 2014 19:43:33 GMT
Yeah that's a pretty bleak line up for the football. Did Sky not do their research and see where TV3 went wrong?!!!
It's a pitty that it doesn't kick-off with a hurling game that's likely to be competitive.
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Post by Ballyfireside on May 19, 2014 19:48:37 GMT
Yeah that's a pretty bleak line up for the football. Did Sky not do their research and see where TV3 went wrong?!!! It's a pitty that it doesn't kick-off with a hurling game that's likely to be competitive.....and to think it could have been Kilkenny v Kerry! Be jazus seamo but didn't they make a poor call; we are also having a chat on thread about Tomás on the panel for Tyrone vs Down. Canavan is lots of great things but he doesn't inspire me in this role, no offense meant. Neither would Paul Galvin just in case anyone thinks I am not being objective. It takes a certain persona, some have it, others don't, simple as that!
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Post by Ballyfireside on May 24, 2014 14:49:48 GMT
With Sean Kelly now looking to get elected the GAA is well placed to lobby the EU Competition Commissioner on the power of Sky and where they forced the GAA into a corner. I have already written to Sean on this and I would ask others to consider doing the same once the election results are known. Get in there first and as this would be close to Sean's own heart we can play out part in ensuring that The GAA is protected from global forces that threaten it.
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Post by seamo on May 24, 2014 14:57:04 GMT
With Sean Kelly now looking to get elected the GAA is well placed to lobby the EU Competition Commissioner on the power of Sky and where they forced the GAA into a corner. I have already written to Sean on this and I would ask others to consider doing the same once the election results are known. Get in there first and as this would be close to Sean's own heart we can play out part in ensuring that The GAA is protected from global forces that threaten it. I'm against the Sky deal, but christ come-on , the GAA were backed into no-corner, they made their own mistakes, Sky are just doing business.
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Post by Ballyfireside on May 25, 2014 15:58:57 GMT
With Sean Kelly now looking to get elected the GAA is well placed to lobby the EU Competition Commissioner on the power of Sky and where they forced the GAA into a corner. I have already written to Sean on this and I would ask others to consider doing the same once the election results are known. Get in there first and as this would be close to Sean's own heart we can play out part in ensuring that The GAA is protected from global forces that threaten it. I'm against the Sky deal, but christ come-on , the GAA were backed into no-corner, they made their own mistakes, Sky are just doing business. That's precisely what I am saying seamo, The EU is vigilant on abuse of monopoly power and I recall an Irish publican in the UK winning a case against them in Brussels on excessive charges. How could we be better placed than with Sean making the representation. Sky would be forced to at least remove the exclusivity clause on the 12 games and which is the main bone of contention. I don't agree that the GAA made a mistake, as I said, we the GAA community are victims of abuse of Murdoch's power. Any outfit that would interfere with the personal communications of a murdered child are fit for anything and that is hardly the full extent of what they are capable of. Power corrupts!
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Post by Ballyfireside on May 29, 2014 0:57:39 GMT
This is an article from Hogan Stand. Hopefully Sean will now follow through with this pre-election statement and address The Sky monopoly at EU Competition Commissioner level and as we previously requested. He feels very strong about it so this is really great. Maybe GAA personalities going into politics ain't such a bad idea afterall! A "slap in the face" for our wild geese - Sean Kelly 23 May 2014Former GAA president Sean Kelly says the Irish diaspora in Europe shouldn't have to pay to watch gaelic games. The Kerry man points out that gaels living outside of Ireland are already substantially out of pocket - often to the tune of thousands - just by playing the games in the first place and has called on RTE and the GAA to make matches they have the rights to available free of charge abroad via the RTE Player. "As honorary president of Belgium GAA, details of the new online streaming service were eagerly awaited on the continent, as I'm sure they were among the diaspora the world over," he writes in today's Irish Examiner. "The GAAGo service will offer 45 games live online, with a season pass costing €110 or €10 per game. "This is a slap in the face for our wild geese in Europe. I am not sure if gaels at home are aware of the costs and effort involved in playing our games abroad. Pitch hire in big cities, erecting and taking down goalposts, long journeys of up to 12 hours to play in monthly tournaments, where flight, accommodation and tournament costs are all met out of the pocket by the players themselves. "There is no deeply-rooted community structure to provide fundraising so the costs of playing our games runs to the thousands of euro per annum. These people are our missionaries spreading the creed of Gaelic Games on the continent. The least they should get in return is free access to our games online. "Whereas the cost associated with the pilgrimage to the nearest Irish pub to watch the match will now be avoided, nevertheless the pay-per-view element is disappointing and a letdown to our emigrant community. Gaelic Games are now being shown free to air and live on Australian Channel 7, leading to a perception that some emigrants are more equal than others."
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Post by sidelined on Jun 6, 2014 21:07:56 GMT
hilarious skit by the gift grub crew repeated on radio this morning on ian dempseys show. up on you tube . on a serious note it will be interesting how they deal with kilkenny v offaly , and what will they do different to tv3
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Post by seamo on Jun 7, 2014 19:14:19 GMT
Fair play to Sky, a very good showing by them for their first game. Resisted the over the top dramatic intro's which so many stations seem to love nowadays, it was very much about the game in hand, kept things simple. Thought it was going to be a dual presenter thing, whereby Rachel was simply going to be the token female representation. Thankfully this wasn't the case, with her taking the lead and doing a brilliant job; which makes her another name on the list of people to make Joe Brolly look like a fool (top of the list is Joe himself!). Neither her nor the other guy tried to be too smart or talk the game up like Matt Cooper is so bloody awful for doing! Kilkenny v Offaly, they both thankfully knew that it was always likely to be a Kilkenny win, rather than try and fool in the viewer into thinking it was something else. It helped that Jamesie and Ollie aren't bullsh!tters like others. All and all a good start for Sky...but the GAA still fuvked up with this, and the deal will be renewed if Sky want it to be, because the GAA will become reliant on the money!
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Post by seamo on Jun 7, 2014 19:25:37 GMT
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 8, 2014 18:40:24 GMT
Sky hardly brought anything amazing to the table last night. Wyse writes a decent enough sports article in the Indo, it will be interesting to judge her knowledge of GAA as the season progresses.
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Post by lár na páirce on Jun 9, 2014 10:17:47 GMT
Sky hardly brought anything amazing to the table last night. Wyse writes a decent enough sports article in the Indo, it will be interesting to judge her knowledge of GAA as the season progresses. Yeah was'nt over whelmed,Decent enough coverage better than TV3 but a good distance back from RTE
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jun 9, 2014 17:20:58 GMT
A few observations from the first Sky High broadcast and bearing in mind we'd be less familiar with hurling:
1. They captured I think it was a Cats goal from a number of angles, one of which made for a superb action replay, so I assume they have more cameras. Maybe those of who watch soccer on Sky can add more to this.
2. There was nothing spectacular about the presenters apart from the fact that Rachel is easier on the eye (and ears, come to think of it) than Beag Brolly, although good looks alone doesn't put bread on the table! I think the content was well below the mark and the anchor role was vacant so Lysters seat is safe. I think our Michael is rather good, the benchmark?
3. Did you notice that RTE panelists were dressed a bit like their Sky counterparts on Sunday afternoon and they also appeared to up their game in terms of dogma so competition is good. TSG was a two hour affair although there was a lot of games.
Beag Brolly was an utter disgrace on Sunday afternoon and I cannot understand why RTE don't get a better Ulster/Connaught voice. Ulster wouldn't be short of intelligent GAA communicators. Joe is cheeky and often cynical, always trying to win an argument at the expense of objectivity and which we all want first and foremost. A fellow viewer commented on Sunday that we had two concurrent matches, Dublin v Laois and a slaggin match between Brolly and Pat and in fairness to the latter I think he made Joe look like an idiot. I alluded to Joe's barrister psyche previously only for him to now start using court lingo, Eg 'I rest my case', etc. At one point his body language suggested that he didn't even want to be there whereas Spillane was giving his 100% to fulfil his duty although I think a few of his comments were infected by Joe's apparently contagious argument winning disease. Eg Pat said that Mayo coming from behind proved their character and if that is the case any team that wins having been behind at some stage has character and which probably means every team that ever played any sport. If Donegal are a shadow of their peak then so are Mayo and I think Horan is the weak link; no team will win Sam without a great manager and history proves that. James is good but good ain't good enough. Look at Pillar with Dublin! Did Counihan under perform? It is early days so the jury is still out on Eamonn & co although what they achieved last year was very impressive.
Going back to panelists I think we have some stars: Marty is lively and as close to Micheál O'Heir as we have had, Lyster is a tight marker and springs some good thought provoking views; I wonder does he stoke it up a bit with Beag? McStay is easy to listen to and maybe his army career makes for a cool head, in contrast to Beag. Tomás is superb and yes, I now notice he needs more 'game time' and then he will be even better. Gooch is a pure natural and maybe a career beckons when we shed a tear on his retirement which will hopefully be never!
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Post by ansúilleabhánach on Jun 10, 2014 13:53:22 GMT
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Post by buck02 on Jun 10, 2014 14:30:45 GMT
Probably more to do with the GAA trying to get to grips with pitch invasions, especially in the light of the consequences of the Munster Hurling final last year. And maybe I'm on my own here, but those post game interviews with the fans milling around a player or manager are cringe-worthy in the extreme. Drunk middle aged men bellowing at Marty Morrissey and Brian Cody or kids poking flag sticks into the heads of Michael Lyster and James Horan followed by a cheer at the end is not my idea of a decent interview.
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Post by ansúilleabhánach on Jun 10, 2014 14:37:46 GMT
buck02, with all due respect, I've just read the text of the letter again, and I suggest you re-read it, this time while concentrating, and then maybe address the content of the letter rather than an entirely separate issue.
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Post by buck02 on Jun 10, 2014 14:50:42 GMT
buck02, with all due respect, I've just read the text of the letter again, and I suggest you re-read it, this time while concentrating, and then maybe address the content of the letter rather than an entirely separate issue. Ok but I'll have to make a few assumptions. I assume that there is no suitable media area in Nolan Park to carry out post match interviews so they had to be done on the pitch. I assume Sky don't want what I have described going on in the background while they are trying to carry out professional interviews at the end of the game. I assume Sky didn't erect the fence around the pitch since the letter writer was last there. I assume the GAA don't want a repeat of the injuries that happened in the Gaelic Grounds last year happening this year. I just think the letter in question is a cheap attempt at having a go at the GAA (and Sky) over the Sky deal.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jun 10, 2014 15:18:03 GMT
That's an interesting one. Can understand Sky not wanting their interviews disturbed, or their interviewers and commentators molested, but could they/the GAC/Kk CB/Nolan Park not just have agreed on some sort of security to keep people back? Seems like a very sweeping solution. I suppose in the light of how they've banned people from the pitch in Croker it's not really a surprise, it was inevitable I think. Yes Nolan Park is not having the crowds that Croker does but it has enough of a crowd to generate what the GAA say is too dangerous to allow. However I'd say the crowd was about half full the last day, so is there a cut-off for what size of crowd means the people can't get on the pitch after/at half-time? On another note, I think those interviews and pieces with the crowd milling around, whilst they are a bit chaotic, they do really add to the occasion and give a real sense of the fun and atmosphere. I've always thought of them as a quintessential part of a GAA evening, of what I see on tv as being that. So in that sense I think this is a sad move by the GAC/Sky/whoever.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 10, 2014 15:55:21 GMT
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Post by diego on Jun 10, 2014 16:41:26 GMT
Probably more to do with the GAA trying to get to grips with pitch invasions, especially in the light of the consequences of the Munster Hurling final last year. Think the Limerick crowd were in to the field in good numbers at the end of the game in Thurles last week as well. From watching The Sunday Game the last night there even seemed to be a pitch invasion at the end of the Cork-Waterford replay. Was surprised at the eagerness of the Cork fans to charge on at the final whistle for a 1st round game!
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Post by diego on Jun 10, 2014 16:42:24 GMT
That clip is legendary. Never gets old.
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Post by seamo on Jun 10, 2014 17:04:21 GMT
Probably more to do with the GAA trying to get to grips with pitch invasions, especially in the light of the consequences of the Munster Hurling final last year. And maybe I'm on my own here, but those post game interviews with the fans milling around a player or manager are cringe-worthy in the extreme. Drunk middle aged men bellowing at Marty Morrissey and Brian Cody or kids poking flag sticks into the heads of Michael Lyster and James Horan followed by a cheer at the end is not my idea of a decent interview. Jesus it's even worse when RTE are at the races!! Some immature fools trying to be funny and empress their mates! Really embarrassing stuff.
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Post by seamo on Jun 10, 2014 17:08:54 GMT
hmmmmmmm The GAA put up fencing for Sky.....and people still think that in 3 years time the GAA will turn their backs on Sky's millions!!
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Post by ansúilleabhánach on Jun 10, 2014 17:36:59 GMT
Probably more to do with the GAA trying to get to grips with pitch invasions, especially in the light of the consequences of the Munster Hurling final last year. Think the Limerick crowd were in to the field in good numbers at the end of the game in Thurles last week as well. From watching The Sunday Game the last night there even seemed to be a pitch invasion at the end of the Cork-Waterford replay. Was surprised at the eagerness of the Cork fans to charge on at the final whistle for a 1st round game! If you read the letter, you'll find that the announcement was made in Páirc Ui Nualláin: “Fans are not to come onto the pitch at the end of the game as Sky Sports need to conduct post-match interviews” I think, for the purposes of discussing the revelations of this letter, that it should be clarified the 'getting to grips with pitch invasions' theory is a red herring.
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Post by seamo on Jun 10, 2014 17:50:44 GMT
Think the Limerick crowd were in to the field in good numbers at the end of the game in Thurles last week as well. From watching The Sunday Game the last night there even seemed to be a pitch invasion at the end of the Cork-Waterford replay. Was surprised at the eagerness of the Cork fans to charge on at the final whistle for a 1st round game! If you read the letter, you'll find that the announcement was made in Páirc Ui Nualláin: “Fans are not to come onto the pitch at the end of the game as Sky Sports need to conduct post-match interviews” I think, for the purposes of discussing the revelations of this letter, that it should be clarified the 'getting to grips with pitch invasions' theory is a red herring. But it's not a red herring. The GAA don't like pitch invasions because of insurance. They don't really want mass crowds running onto a pitch. I'm not trying to take any responsibility away from Sky for what happened in Nolan Park. It's another battle between tradition and money, and in terms of AI final day money won out. It inevitable that other GAA grounds will follow.
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Post by diego on Jun 10, 2014 18:19:38 GMT
Think the Limerick crowd were in to the field in good numbers at the end of the game in Thurles last week as well. From watching The Sunday Game the last night there even seemed to be a pitch invasion at the end of the Cork-Waterford replay. Was surprised at the eagerness of the Cork fans to charge on at the final whistle for a 1st round game! If you read the letter, you'll find that the announcement was made in Páirc Ui Nualláin: “Fans are not to come onto the pitch at the end of the game as Sky Sports need to conduct post-match interviews” I think, for the purposes of discussing the revelations of this letter, that it should be clarified the 'getting to grips with pitch invasions' theory is a red herring. I did read it. First of all, i'm not in favour of wire fencing. Need to find a more humane way of keeping people in the stands! I just don't see a major problem with the actual idea of stopping people going on the pitch. Don't see why people think they have a right to be on the pitch keeping amateurs on the field for an extra 10 or 15 minutes to sign autographs and rubbish like that. Is your problem with pitch invasions being stopped, or that they are being stopped because Sky asked for it? Not surprised by the GAA bending over backwards for Sky anyway. Already sold them the crown jewels of live championship games for half nothing, so if they weren't going to play hard ball then and hold out for a better deal then they'll hardly start now.
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Post by ansúilleabhánach on Jun 10, 2014 19:26:03 GMT
Is your problem with pitch invasions being stopped, or that they are being stopped because Sky asked for it? [/quote] The latter. If CLG are trying to stop pitch invasions -at least, on Saturday night- then habeas corpus. The evidence we have to date is the announcement. The rest is speculation. This announcement is the only documented difference between the pitch access after Corcaigh-Port Láirge (no TV coverage) or Tiobraid Árainn-Luimneach (RTÉ coverage), and the access after Saturday's game. My exhortations to read the letter were directed more at those who were either failing or refusing to address this. I was at a double header of football and hurling league games in Loch Garman in April. Between the two games, during the half time break, and at full time, tens of boys and girls of ages about 5-16 scampered out with camáin and sliotair and pucked about in small lines and triangles. I'm sorry nobody addressed this issue, but instead chose to focus on the "immature fools" who so disturb the post-match interviews. (It's a matter of opinion, but I can't imagine many things less interesting and original than a player's post-match interview). It's rather baffling, as anyone who reads the letter can see no citation of this element. I don't think we see it as much as the strong hurling counties, but as you can read, this is exactly what the letter-writer had in mind for his son. And these kids (this is an assumption, granted) are not motivated by standing in camera shot, at least not as much as they are to experience their county's hallowed sod beneath their own feet, for just a few minutes, before the car journey home, so they might have something to hold against the harshness of Sunday night facing into a school week. And there it is- that sense of ownership; connected by these tangible and visible threads to even the greatest county player; the sense of Cumann Luthchleas Gael being the members, being instilled at such a young age in another generation. Semple is for EVERYONE. Maybe we don't experience it as much in Ciarrai because of caid's pre-dominance. Focal scoir: Re postmatch interviews I'm with annascaultilidie!
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