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Post by Ballyfireside on Mar 28, 2014 1:40:53 GMT
Just announced, this is serious and many elderly living alone will feel abandoned. I have previously aired concern of how economically disadvantaged the GAA is but I didn't expect this to happen so quickly. I also note that all Director General candidates were united on this imbalance.
Like any issue, there is an education process and that will take time. Another symptom of the same issue is the inability of clubs to field teams and of course the GPA will be active when they see the GAA imposing another layer of charges when the players are not paid.
This will be socially disturbing and the GAA will loose it's status as a community sport if structural changes aren't progressed.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Mar 28, 2014 2:50:50 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2014 10:19:48 GMT
More money for the GAA Jerry Kiernan wont like this.
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Post by glengael on Mar 28, 2014 10:40:43 GMT
More money for the Murdoch empire also. Hmmmmmmmm
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Post by lár na páirce on Mar 28, 2014 10:41:57 GMT
if championship games go from free to air to subscription tv..I will seriously consider my membership of the association
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 28, 2014 11:12:59 GMT
Looking forward to next financial boom in Ireland and watching Peter McKenna and Co dealing with the next generation of intercounty players. Donal Og, Sean Og, Geezer, Dessie and Co will begin to look like extras at Cinderella's tea party.
Watching the performance level of where top flight Irish rugby operates, a professional GAA game at the top flight would be interesting, albeit it would require serious regulation of the playing rules and laws of the game in order to prevent the game transcending into a physical, defensive and cynical bore.
I presume with this new pay per view arrangement with Sky, the clubs will now be compensated for the loss of county players for county league games and others?
We thought the GPA mark one might have been intriguing........................!
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Post by buck02 on Mar 28, 2014 13:00:15 GMT
Do the GAA not have a responsibility to get the best possible monetary outcome when negotiating TV deals. I mean if TV3 offered €1m for the rights to 14 games but Sky offered €1.5m then should they forego the additional revenue?
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Post by onesided on Mar 28, 2014 14:03:17 GMT
I will be very interested to see what kind of a faces SKY will roll out in relation to their GAA coverage. I started the thread about RTE commentators less than a week ago and it looks like I will have my wish of new commentators. Not how I anticipated this to happen I might add though.
I think all sports broadcasters should aspire to the level of detail that SKY and even RTE apply to their rugby coverage. SKY's coverage of the Heineken Cup with input from recently retired and some all time greats is fascinating. They analyse in minute details how the game is played now and have made heroes of the unsung heroes. 5 years ago, the casual rugby observer, would not appreciate the input of guys like Peter O'Mahony and Chris Henry at the breakdown and ensuring continuity of play, but with greater analysis by up to date pundits who have just come out of the system we gain a greater understanding and thus an enhanced viewing experience.
If SKY can apply this kind of thorough analysis to our games then I for one will be more than willing to renew my subscription fee. It doesn't even have to be a big name. I have seen SKY have Mark Tainton, kicking coach as an analyst. Can you imagine having someone like Donie Buckley dissecting the forward play of Meath and Dublin in a high pressure Leinster Final? It would serve as a great educational tool to all aspiring coaches out there and also give bar stool analysts a couple of more buzz words and phrases to bamboozle their friends with. Everyone's a winner!!
I for one am all for it. It couldn't possible be any worse than TV3's stilted excuse for coverage. Matt Cooper has hopefully uttered his last word as a GAA pundit!!!
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Mar 28, 2014 15:02:18 GMT
RTE is pay per view also...unless you are an oul wan.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Mar 28, 2014 16:37:26 GMT
Is it not our nation's broadcaster's role to show these games as well as the GAA's role to look after its support? RTE are showing confederations cup games(with no Irish teams in it), Champions League games (with no irish teams in it) and many more games that one could also watch on Setanta or Sky. As our national broadcaster I think they should show Irish teams. Sky has a lot of different channels so I'm sure they can have a channel that is available via saorview/freeview allowing all people on the island to see the national games? Should our TV licenses not be used to show Irish teams playing Irish games rather than Shaktar Donetsk versus AC Milan? I have nothing against soccer and find it a good thing that TG4 shows airtricity league games as this shows Irish people playing a game that is very popular in Ireland. I understand the real money is in the premier league but it must cost RTE a lot of money showing English teams playing in a lot of different tournaments, games that are also available on the likes of Sky and Setanta.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Mar 28, 2014 17:57:17 GMT
Setanta was pay for view also.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Mar 28, 2014 18:31:21 GMT
Setanta was pay for view also. True. Argument being that Setanta, Sky or TV3 can show GAA games. but the primary task of our nation's broadcaster is to show Irish games played by Irish people. Or even show Irish teams competing competitively in European or Global competitions. We can be very sure that RTE will spend a lot of the money that comes in via TV licenses and through commercials to show Soccer World Cup games even though there are no Irish teams in that competition and even though Sky, Setanta, BBC, TV3 and about 1000 other stations will show these games too as well as them being shown in every pub on the island of Ireland. Should RTE or TG4 show these games? Not in my opinion. They should spend that money on showing Irish teams playing sports. Unfortunately I do not have the right to determine what happens to my licence fees and I can't decide what our nation's broadcaster shows, because if I could it would show Irish teams first. Sky or Setanta are both only interested in the revenue and the sponsors it attracts not in the games or the preservation of the games. Ireland has something quite unique in having these native games and if Sky or Setanta or allowed to bid for showing these games they should also sign a contract that they are behind promoting the games in all markets they are represented. People up north already need Sky or UPC to watch RTE as you can't get it via freeview so they should benefit from the deal as well. If Setanta and Sky are willing to spend millions on bidding for the games they should surely not mind to do a little bit back for the very lucrative sponsorship deals that might attract.
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Post by kerry97 on Mar 28, 2014 19:17:45 GMT
Bad move , Sky destroyed Cricket in the UK when it went pay per view . I suppose the first two supposedly great pillars of Irish Society the Catholic Church and Fianna Fáil have fallen, it was really about time the GAA shot themselves in the foot .
So when are Kerry going pro ? and when will the naming rights to Croke Park be sold ? .
Somebody mentioned above that Setanta holds the rights to Saturday night league fixtures , as a case in point how many people purchase Setanta , I certainly don't and I don't know many who do ! .
On the point of analysis , I imagine the presenter will come from that usual pool of lads like Ed Chamberlain who presents Soccer, Cricket, Rugby, Tennis, Speedway (whatever that is ) and darts . Can you imagine Ed saying that "Wexford or whoever have been hard hit by emigration ?"
Also I'd say Frank in Middlesex is delighted to hear that live coverage of the Ashes will be followed by the Munster Football final , he'll be ringing all his mates to come round to his gaff to watch the Rebels and the Kingdom live from a stadium that the boys on Sky will be incapable of pronouncing .
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Mar 28, 2014 21:53:19 GMT
Setanta was pay for view also. True. Argument being that Setanta, Sky or TV3 can show GAA games. but the primary task of our nation's broadcaster is to show Irish games played by Irish people. Or even show Irish teams competing competitively in European or Global competitions. We can be very sure that RTE will spend a lot of the money that comes in via TV licenses and through commercials to show Soccer World Cup games even though there are no Irish teams in that competition and even though Sky, Setanta, BBC, TV3 and about 1000 other stations will show these games too as well as them being shown in every pub on the island of Ireland. Should RTE or TG4 show these games? Not in my opinion. They should spend that money on showing Irish teams playing sports. Unfortunately I do not have the right to determine what happens to my licence fees and I can't decide what our nation's broadcaster shows, because if I could it would show Irish teams first. Sky or Setanta are both only interested in the revenue and the sponsors it attracts not in the games or the preservation of the games. Ireland has something quite unique in having these native games and if Sky or Setanta or allowed to bid for showing these games they should also sign a contract that they are behind promoting the games in all markets they are represented. People up north already need Sky or UPC to watch RTE as you can't get it via freeview so they should benefit from the deal as well. If Setanta and Sky are willing to spend millions on bidding for the games they should surely not mind to do a little bit back for the very lucrative sponsorship deals that might attract. Like it or not --- and I don't --- there is a massive appetite for soccer out there and RTE would be insane to let the World Cup go...they already let the EPL round up show go and they still show GAA lest we forget.
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Post by sullyschoice on Mar 28, 2014 22:28:04 GMT
When people talk about pay per view I presume they mean a Sky Sports subscription and not the ludicrous situation where you have to pay extra to see some *e boxing match.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Mar 28, 2014 22:29:21 GMT
I realise that but why show soccer games that can be watched on 15 other stations as well?
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Mar 28, 2014 22:30:42 GMT
When people talk about pay per view I presume they mean a Sky Sports subscription and not the ludicrous situation where you have to pay extra to see some *e boxing match. I suppose just Sky won't be enough but you'd need the sports package as well.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Mar 28, 2014 23:27:38 GMT
I realise that but why show soccer games that can be watched on 15 other stations as well? Because they get high ratings and so high advertising revenue...you know this well.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Mar 28, 2014 23:32:54 GMT
I realise that but why show soccer games that can be watched on 15 other stations as well? Because they get high ratings and so high advertising revenue...you know this well. I think the national broadcaster has a duty though to show the games to all. It is more than just sport it's a national heritage as well. I don't expect to see cycling live on television here or to see hurling on telly in Belgium but a national broadcaster does have the duty to show the national sport.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Mar 28, 2014 23:42:35 GMT
Because they get high ratings and so high advertising revenue...you know this well. I think the national broadcaster has a duty though to show the games to all. It is more than just sport it's a national heritage as well. I don't expect to see cycling live on television here or to see hurling on telly in Belgium but a national broadcaster does have the duty to show the national sport. Yes it does have a duty to show these games...and it does show them??? But it's not about the duty really, its about the fact it makes commercial sense. Are you aware of the legislation regarding the broadcasting of events of 'national importance'? I understand that if any sports event is deemed to be of national importance that the Sports Minister is allowed direct that it be shown on RTE.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Mar 29, 2014 0:01:48 GMT
In my opinion that would apply to the GAA. The minister for sport could exercise his right to demand that RTE show at least one game live each weekend. The championship games obviously are most important and these could be shown as a matter of preserving cultural heritage. The tour of Flanders is recognised as cultural heritage and the VRT (Flemish national broadcaster) always shows it live. I realise RTE can't show every game live so maybe have the big games on RTE and have Sky show the others? I could even imagine an extra channel showing women's football and U21 games as well. With the amount if money Sky are able to spend they are in a good position to promote the games a lot better rather than just cashing in. A lot of politicians have shown an interest in the issue and with so many politicians being former players I think there's a point to be made for them demanding that the games should be shown for free to the population.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Mar 29, 2014 2:26:31 GMT
Rugby initially thrived in Munster because everyone was allowed play and that is fact. The thought of a young lad being deprived of seeing a Gaelic game because of money, or that nobody is available to take him to the pub to watch, is disturbing; this has happened with Munster rugby in recent years and it is bad form. How can our games be made accessible to everyone worldwide and including those on home soil? If the GAA abandons the less well off then it is eroding it's very foundations. We need advice from people who understand what is at risk, and we must not listen to vested interests. I have to say I feel a tinge on sadness already.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Mar 29, 2014 9:00:00 GMT
In my opinion that would apply to the GAA. The minister for sport could exercise his right to demand that RTE show at least one game live each weekend. The championship games obviously are most important and these could be shown as a matter of preserving cultural heritage. The tour of Flanders is recognised as cultural heritage and the VRT (Flemish national broadcaster) always shows it live. I realise RTE can't show every game live so maybe have the big games on RTE and have Sky show the others? I could even imagine an extra channel showing women's football and U21 games as well. With the amount if money Sky are able to spend they are in a good position to promote the games a lot better rather than just cashing in. A lot of politicians have shown an interest in the issue and with so many politicians being former players I think there's a point to be made for them demanding that the games should be shown for free to the population. Have you even read the deal?? Sky are only getting 14 games and RTE are showing just as many games as usual.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Mar 29, 2014 12:23:24 GMT
In my opinion that would apply to the GAA. The minister for sport could exercise his right to demand that RTE show at least one game live each weekend. The championship games obviously are most important and these could be shown as a matter of preserving cultural heritage. The tour of Flanders is recognised as cultural heritage and the VRT (Flemish national broadcaster) always shows it live. I realise RTE can't show every game live so maybe have the big games on RTE and have Sky show the others? I could even imagine an extra channel showing women's football and U21 games as well. With the amount if money Sky are able to spend they are in a good position to promote the games a lot better rather than just cashing in. A lot of politicians have shown an interest in the issue and with so many politicians being former players I think there's a point to be made for them demanding that the games should be shown for free to the population. Have you even read the deal?? Sky are only getting 14 games and RTE are showing just as many games as usual. I have but I have always found that coverage of the GAA has lacked a lot. For example there is no coverage at all of handball, hardly any coverage of hurling except for the top few counties, little to no coverage of women's football, an almost complete avoidance of college football, U21 football or minor football and the railway cup a.k.a. provincial games are completely ignored by the media except for a small article on page 6 of the sports section with the scores. If Sky will improve overall coverage for the games then I'm all for it. If they will just bid on the big championship games meaning we will have to pay to see the provincial finals or the semi finals I'm against it. Sky could bring a lot more exposure to the games like other channels did with AFL and the likes. One thing the expats would love is to see more games where they live and there are millions and millions of Americans that would gladly pay for an all GAA channel as part of their sports package.
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 29, 2014 15:05:57 GMT
worth reading; historyhub.ie/the-impact-of-pay-tv-on-sportHere is the conclusion The evidence that emerges from the sale of the Heineken Cup and English cricket television rights to a pay-tv company is clear-cut. Moving to pay-tv profoundly alters the nature of sports organisations. For everybody engaged with the sport – players, grassroots members, spectators and television viewers – pay-tv introduces a dramatic, new dynamic. For all that vast sums of television money can benefit an organisation as it seeks to meet its expenses or develop its sport, there is always a pay-off. That pay-off involves the creation of elites – an elite collection of clubs who profit most from television money and an elite level of player who gets paid inordinate sums of money. The reality of pay-tv is that it not only drives up the money paid to players in sports which are already professional, but it also drives the creation of professionals in sports which were previously amateur. Alongside the creation of elites within sports comes the reinforcement of divides amongst those who watch on television. The strength of universal public service broadcasting is that it provides equality of access to every community within a country – pay-tv subverts this equality. The evidence is everywhere: when a sport moves to pay-tv, people who are older or poorer or who live in rural areas are substantially less likely to be able to watch it, regardless of their interest in or commitment to that sport. But, even in cities, significantly fewer people watch sport on pay-tv than watch it on free-to-air channels. Perhaps the most potent aspect of pay-tv channels is that, once they secure broadcasting rights to a sport, that sport finds it almost impossible to determine its own future. Pay-tv money re-orders sports organisation to such an extent that it appears to become inconceivable to imagine life without it. The Chief Executive of Setanta Sports in Ireland has written that the argument about whether sports should be shown only on free-to-air television is now irrelevant because sports organisations “have become dependent upon the increased revenues” from pay-tv companies.38 Essentially, sports organisations that have signed their rights over to pay-tv companies have, indeed, become dependent on the money which is earned through such deals. In turn, pay-tv companies – run as corporations and owned in large measure by venture capitalists – must find the money to pay for these deals and to generate profit for their shareholders. To do this, they generate income from the die-hard supporters of sports who must now pay a subscription in order to watch matches on television. It has always been a major challenge for sports organisations to decide how best to present their sports on television. In the last decade, it is clear that the increase in the sums of money paid by broadcasters to secure sports rights has redrawn the relationship between television and sport. At its best, this relationship is a finely-balanced, mutually-beneficial partnership. At its worst, it leaves sports organisations vulnerable to the demands of private television companies who exploit sport for financial gain. Even 50 years ago, there were prescient warnings that unregulated, commercialised television would seek “… to exploit sports to the utmost.”39 Since then there have been numerous examples of how pay-tv has exploited sporting organisations, sports men and women, and sports supporters in pursuit of profit.
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Post by seamo on Mar 31, 2014 21:26:09 GMT
Former Kerry forward and current Sydney Swans star Tommy Walsh has reacted angrily to reports that Sky are in talks with the GAA to broadcast our national games.
Walsh took to twitter and wrote: "So our "amateur" game is now being sold to Sky? There is no other sport in the world where players & supporters are taken advantage of more!"
GAA fans could be hit with TV subscription charges to watch some of this year's All-Ireland championship games.
Sky Sports are believed to be at an advanced state of negotiations with Croke Park to enter the GAA market as part of an overall deal featuring a range of broadcasters.
RTE will continue as the main rights holder, but several other stations, including Sky, are also interested in getting a slice of the market.
It's understood that negotiations have taken place under which the Sky package would feature up to 10 games, including two All-Ireland quarter-finals. It's unclear whether Sky's bid is in conjunction with an other broadcaster.
Awarding Sky exclusive rights to a particular package would spark anger among the GAA public as it would leave them facing subscription charges.
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Post by dingle101 on Apr 1, 2014 12:49:58 GMT
According to live gaelic the Gaa and Sky are at advanced stages of renaming Croke Park to Sky Blue Park. The blue stands for Dublin.
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Post by kot on Apr 1, 2014 12:55:37 GMT
Anybody who hasn't heard it already should listen to this mornings gift grub. Gave me a serious chuckle anyway
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Apr 1, 2014 12:56:54 GMT
According to live gaelic the Gaa and Sky are at advanced stages of renaming Croke Park to Sky Blue Park. The blue stands for Dublin. Indeed.
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Post by keane on Apr 1, 2014 13:58:02 GMT
That's a spoof obviously!
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