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Post by jackmurphy on Mar 21, 2014 16:02:02 GMT
One thing is for sure, the speed of JOD's development into at present, again at present, arguably one of the best or even the best forward in the country is incredible. His performances both of quality and consistency are hugely impressive as well as mental steel and maturity.Gooch did have a great 02 first year but quieter 03, so it is a seriously high bar comparison. Gooch though was a lot younger too in his first full year Can anyone think of examples of players of that age and stage of senior county team development that would have executed that penalty in front of the hill in a AI semi. Christ, I was barely able to look. Rashers asked who would be Kerry's killer forward on the scoreboard with Gooch out the field, for semi last year,replied 'JOD' but didn't envisage what he delivered then or since. Sorry, little self serving, but highlighting a good u21 taking monumental steps thereafter Brian Hurley was U21 last season and seems to be taking huge strides too - Ciaran Kilkenny was making huge progress until his injury and Ronan O Neill looks the real deal also. But you are right - I can't think of any forward, in recent times, that has risen as quickly as JOD - I think the Black Card suits him better than anyone - he makes great runs and his team mates now know where to place the ball - he's very strong to secure possession and is then very direct with a low centre of gravity - a nightmare for a defender and a black card waiting to happen. He's well on the radar screen now and whilst opponents will be well forewarned - I'm not sure what they can do to limit his influence.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 6, 2014 14:21:05 GMT
This is a bit from Keith Duggans article yesterday about Tyrone and how they have let their u21 set up slip a bit. Interesting the way CAVAN are bringing on college lads..............
Peter Donnelly played on the Tyrone team that won their fourth consecutive Ulster U-21 championship in 2003. Now, he is a full-time strength and conditioning coach for Cavan GAA.
“What Cavan have achieved is fantastic. Peter goes to Dublin and Drogheda and Sligo IT and makes sure that the thing is being pushed on with players following programmes. Instead of ten weeks preparation, Cavan pick up players when they leave minor. So their academy set-up is fantastic.
“So I do feel we are being left behind, because we are putting big pressure on our U-21 management to produce results year in and year out. I don’t think it is a simple question of lads losing hunger because they have won minor All-Irelands. But it is a worry because if we haven’t got a platform at U-21 level, sooner or later then all the players who had that success will be gone.”
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 9, 2014 21:42:02 GMT
Cadbury Ulster U21 Football Final: Cavan 2-6 Donegal 0-8
Cavan extended their incredible domination of the Ulster U21 Football championship with a late rally securing a fourth provincial crown in a row at the Athletic Grounds on Wednesday night.
The Breffni County hit an unanswered 1-3 in the last four minutes to stun Donegal to progress to an All-Ireland semi-final against Dublin, which will take place in Portlaoise on April 19.
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Post by seamo on Apr 9, 2014 22:16:52 GMT
Fair play to Cavan, that's just reward for some great work.
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Post by turenne on Apr 10, 2014 0:43:22 GMT
Any news on how the Munster final went lads.
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Post by jackmurphy on Apr 10, 2014 8:47:27 GMT
Fair play to Cavan, that's just reward for some great work. I think it's time that we faced up to the fact that we may need to do things differently at underage level. There is resources being applied and good men involved yet we do not seem to be making any headway - You know what they say about keeping doing the same thing and wondering why it's not working. Cork have now won 9 of the last 11 Munster U21 titles and last evenings was the most significant IMO - I saw Tipp hammer Cork at minor level in Killarney 3 years ago and go on to beat Dublin in the AI Final - Their manager, Power has been involved since and they have put in huge effort to develop this group (AFAIK they were in the Hastings Cup -so v well prepared) - yet in spite of all that, Cork reverse the result 3 years later and according to reports, Cork were very dominant. For some reason, Cork develop very well physically and skill wise from minor to U21 - I was very impressed when I saw them beat us in Tralee and like Tipp, they were well over us. We need to examine what Galway, Cavan, Dublin and Cork are doing - I read today that Sean Hayes the Cork Manager puts a lot of credit to UCC and CIT (he said that Cork U21's had 9 on the UCC winning fresher's side)however, a lot of Kerry lads attend 3rd level in Cork and we should, in theory, be getting the benefit too. I don't have the answers and in fairness to the CB, they are aware of the problem and are trying but it does not seem to be working. We are 3rd in Munster at underage now. We had none of our U21's on Sunday's senior panel - Cork have 6 or 7 of their U21's training with the seniors and 4 or 5 have already played in the NL. It may not be a crisis yet, but unless we find solutions soon, it will be. Cork have a conveyor belt of underage talent and we don't - once our golden generation move on (next year probably) the cupboard will be bare and it will be very late in the day when Cork are dominating us at Senior. Thoughts, Please.
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Post by Jigz84 on Apr 10, 2014 9:24:58 GMT
While it's a great achievement for Cavan to win 4 in-a-row Ulsters, they've hardly set the world alight once they come out of Ulster. Well beaten by Galway in the final a few years back. So is it a sign of the Ulster U21 Championship being weak rather than Cavan being great?
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Post by glengael on Apr 10, 2014 9:38:36 GMT
While it's a great achievement for Cavan to win 4 in-a-row Ulsters, they've hardly set the world alight once they come out of Ulster. Well beaten by Galway in the final a few years back. So is it a sign of the Ulster U21 Championship being weak rather than Cavan being great? That old saying about glass houses and stones comes to mind.
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Post by buck02 on Apr 10, 2014 10:27:14 GMT
Fair play to Cavan, that's just reward for some great work. I think it's time that we faced up to the fact that we may need to do things differently at underage level. There is resources being applied and good men involved yet we do not seem to be making any headway - You know what they say about keeping doing the same thing and wondering why it's not working.
Cork have now won 9 of the last 11 Munster U21 titles and last evenings was the most significant IMO - I saw Tipp hammer Cork at minor level in Killarney 3 years ago and go on to beat Dublin in the AI Final - Their manager, Power has been involved since and they have put in huge effort to develop this group - yet in spite of all that, Cork reverse the result 3 years later and according to reports, Cork were very dominant. For some reason, Cork develop very well physically and skill wise from minor to senior - I was very impressed when I saw them beat us in Tralee and like Tipp, they were well over us. We need to examine what Galway, Cavan, Dublin and Cork are doing - I read today that Sean Hayes the Cork Manager puts a lot of credit to UCC and CIT (he said that Cork U21's had 9 on the UCC winning fresher's side)however, a lot of Kerry lads attend 3rd level in Cork and we should, in theory, be getting the benefit too. I don't have the answers and in fairness to the CB, they are aware of the problem and are trying but it does not seem to be working. We are 3rd in Munster at underage now. We had none of our U21's on Sunday's senior panel - Cork have 6 or 7 of their U21's training with the seniors and 4 or 5 have already played in the NL. It may not be a crisis yet, but unless we find solutions soon, it will be. Cork have a conveyor belt of underage talent and we don't - once our golden generation move on (next year probably) the cupboard will be bare and it will be very late in the day when Cork are dominating us at Senior. Thoughts, Please. I would give it two more years and then if things continue the same way serious questions (and hard, tough questions for some people) need to be asked. I just wonder is there an appetite to ask these questions amongst the powers that be.
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Post by Jigz84 on Apr 10, 2014 10:35:16 GMT
While it's a great achievement for Cavan to win 4 in-a-row Ulsters, they've hardly set the world alight once they come out of Ulster. Well beaten by Galway in the final a few years back. So is it a sign of the Ulster U21 Championship being weak rather than Cavan being great? That old saying about glass houses and stones comes to mind. Why so? I'd be surprised if we got anything other than a Cork v Dublin U21 Final.
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Post by jackmurphy on Apr 10, 2014 12:05:51 GMT
I think it's time that we faced up to the fact that we may need to do things differently at underage level. There is resources being applied and good men involved yet we do not seem to be making any headway - You know what they say about keeping doing the same thing and wondering why it's not working.
Cork have now won 9 of the last 11 Munster U21 titles and last evenings was the most significant IMO - I saw Tipp hammer Cork at minor level in Killarney 3 years ago and go on to beat Dublin in the AI Final - Their manager, Power has been involved since and they have put in huge effort to develop this group - yet in spite of all that, Cork reverse the result 3 years later and according to reports, Cork were very dominant. For some reason, Cork develop very well physically and skill wise from minor to senior - I was very impressed when I saw them beat us in Tralee and like Tipp, they were well over us. We need to examine what Galway, Cavan, Dublin and Cork are doing - I read today that Sean Hayes the Cork Manager puts a lot of credit to UCC and CIT (he said that Cork U21's had 9 on the UCC winning fresher's side)however, a lot of Kerry lads attend 3rd level in Cork and we should, in theory, be getting the benefit too. I don't have the answers and in fairness to the CB, they are aware of the problem and are trying but it does not seem to be working. We are 3rd in Munster at underage now. We had none of our U21's on Sunday's senior panel - Cork have 6 or 7 of their U21's training with the seniors and 4 or 5 have already played in the NL. It may not be a crisis yet, but unless we find solutions soon, it will be. Cork have a conveyor belt of underage talent and we don't - once our golden generation move on (next year probably) the cupboard will be bare and it will be very late in the day when Cork are dominating us at Senior. Thoughts, Please. I would give it two more years and then if things continue the same way serious questions (and hard, tough questions for some people) need to be asked. I just wonder is there an appetite to ask these questions amongst the powers that be. I understand where you are coming from Buck02 - I'm aware that the CB are working on the issues and Dara O Se worked very hard this year. Nonetheless, 2011 was a serious wake-up call for us as we were hopelessly outclassed by Cork - we've had 3 seasons since then and quite honestly, I think the gap has got bigger rather than smaller. I was at the Kerry v Cork game in Tralee and Cork were as dominant as they were in 2011 but the score board didn't reflect that. I've a good friend that's a CB delegate for a West Cork Club and he was supremely confident that Cork would win Munster this year (in spite of Tipp having a really good side) He tells me that the Cork management team of Sean Hayes and Gene O Driscoll are top bracket and their predecessors John Cleary and Tony Leahy were of the same ilk. Cork were hammered by Tipp in the 2011 Minor Final in Killarney - the game was over with 15 minutes to go and Tipp were just toying with them - It's some turnaround in 3 years that Cork could give Tipp a comprehensive beating with most of the same players involved. I don't want to harp on about Cork but they are the bench mark for us right now. We are doing well at Schools level - my local school in Dingle is a perfect example - but there are reasons why Cork are making such progress - We must identify these IMO. I've asked my friend for his ideas and he says that Cork have superb management teams at U21 and their players are really developing at 3rd level. You will get times when a county just produces great quality as we've seen here in Kerry, twice in the last 30 years but I don't think that's the only reason for Cork's success. I'd prefer that this issue was debated more now rather than in 2 years.
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Post by thesquareball on Apr 10, 2014 14:05:34 GMT
Cork impressive last night,pace,physique,skill and a confidence in their football ability. Kerry well behind cork and tipp at this level.Kerry lined out in tralee with one back on the subs bench what were manegement thinking?
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Post by seamo on Apr 10, 2014 14:15:48 GMT
That old saying about glass houses and stones comes to mind. Why so? I'd be surprised if we got anything other than a Cork v Dublin U21 Final. She means that given our own problems, we're not exactly in a great position to question the quality of others. Cavan may not be of the quality of Dublin, Cork etc, but we all know that Ulster teams invest alot in their underage teams, and it's a tough championship to win no matter the age group.
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Post by seamo on Apr 10, 2014 14:23:54 GMT
Fair play to Cavan, that's just reward for some great work. I think it's time that we faced up to the fact that we may need to do things differently at underage level. There is resources being applied and good men involved yet we do not seem to be making any headway - You know what they say about keeping doing the same thing and wondering why it's not working. Cork have now won 9 of the last 11 Munster U21 titles and last evenings was the most significant IMO - I saw Tipp hammer Cork at minor level in Killarney 3 years ago and go on to beat Dublin in the AI Final - Their manager, Power has been involved since and they have put in huge effort to develop this group (AFAIK they were in the Hastings Cup -so v well prepared) - yet in spite of all that, Cork reverse the result 3 years later and according to reports, Cork were very dominant. For some reason, Cork develop very well physically and skill wise from minor to U21 - I was very impressed when I saw them beat us in Tralee and like Tipp, they were well over us. We need to examine what Galway, Cavan, Dublin and Cork are doing - I read today that Sean Hayes the Cork Manager puts a lot of credit to UCC and CIT (he said that Cork U21's had 9 on the UCC winning fresher's side)however, a lot of Kerry lads attend 3rd level in Cork and we should, in theory, be getting the benefit too. I don't have the answers and in fairness to the CB, they are aware of the problem and are trying but it does not seem to be working. We are 3rd in Munster at underage now. We had none of our U21's on Sunday's senior panel - Cork have 6 or 7 of their U21's training with the seniors and 4 or 5 have already played in the NL. It may not be a crisis yet, but unless we find solutions soon, it will be. Cork have a conveyor belt of underage talent and we don't - once our golden generation move on (next year probably) the cupboard will be bare and it will be very late in the day when Cork are dominating us at Senior. Thoughts, Please. Yeah as I've said here before on numerous threads, I'm not as negative about our underage structures as some others are, particularly up to minor level. But after minor level I don't think enough is done to continue players development onto U21 and inevitably senior level. And as has been mentioned regarding Cork v Tipp last night, and Cork v Tipp 3 years ago....just because you struggle at minor level is no excuse for struggling at U21, and subsequently at senior level; improvements can be made. Maybe once our centre of excellence is complete we will begin to see benefits on the field, because having been in Cork for a number of years, the Mard.yke and the facilities @ CIT are exceptional. Taking Peter Crowley as an example, I don't think he'd be the player he is today (not taking anything away from Laune Rangers)if he hadn't have gone to UCC and won a Cork CC with them.
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Post by jackmurphy on Apr 11, 2014 7:59:13 GMT
I think it's time that we faced up to the fact that we may need to do things differently at underage level. There is resources being applied and good men involved yet we do not seem to be making any headway - You know what they say about keeping doing the same thing and wondering why it's not working. Cork have now won 9 of the last 11 Munster U21 titles and last evenings was the most significant IMO - I saw Tipp hammer Cork at minor level in Killarney 3 years ago and go on to beat Dublin in the AI Final - Their manager, Power has been involved since and they have put in huge effort to develop this group (AFAIK they were in the Hastings Cup -so v well prepared) - yet in spite of all that, Cork reverse the result 3 years later and according to reports, Cork were very dominant. For some reason, Cork develop very well physically and skill wise from minor to U21 - I was very impressed when I saw them beat us in Tralee and like Tipp, they were well over us. We need to examine what Galway, Cavan, Dublin and Cork are doing - I read today that Sean Hayes the Cork Manager puts a lot of credit to UCC and CIT (he said that Cork U21's had 9 on the UCC winning fresher's side)however, a lot of Kerry lads attend 3rd level in Cork and we should, in theory, be getting the benefit too. I don't have the answers and in fairness to the CB, they are aware of the problem and are trying but it does not seem to be working. We are 3rd in Munster at underage now. We had none of our U21's on Sunday's senior panel - Cork have 6 or 7 of their U21's training with the seniors and 4 or 5 have already played in the NL. It may not be a crisis yet, but unless we find solutions soon, it will be. Cork have a conveyor belt of underage talent and we don't - once our golden generation move on (next year probably) the cupboard will be bare and it will be very late in the day when Cork are dominating us at Senior. Thoughts, Please. Yeah as I've said here before on numerous threads, I'm not as negative about our underage structures as some others are, particularly up to minor level. But after minor level I don't think enough is done to continue players development onto U21 and inevitably senior level. And as has been mentioned regarding Cork v Tipp last night, and Cork v Tipp 3 years ago....just because you struggle at minor level is no excuse for struggling at U21, and subsequently at senior level; improvements can be made.
Maybe once our centre of excellence is complete we will begin to see benefits on the field, because having been in Cork for a number of years, the Mard.yke and the facilities @ CIT are exceptional. Taking Peter Crowley as an example, I don't think he'd be the player he is today (not taking anything away from Laune Rangers)if he hadn't have gone to UCC and won a Cork CC with them. I'm not sure that Kerry Supporters actually realise how bad the statistics are at U21 :- In the 15 year period from 1997 to 2011, inclusive - Kerry won 9 Munster Minor Titles, Cork won 5 and Tipp won 1. However when these players graduated to U21 ( 2000 to 2014) - Cork won 10 U21 Munster titles, Kerry 2 and Tipp. Limerick and Waterford 1 each. It's clear that Cork are the Masters of developing players from minor to U21 and we are abject failures. If we needed further proof of the situation - Wed's Munster U21 Final was it - Tipp destroyed Cork in the 2011 Minor Final - kept the same management team in place under Power, pumped in resourses (Hastings Cup etc) yet were destroyed by Cork at U21. I haven't heard any definitive statement by any CB Official as to why Cork improve so much and we don't (we may even disimprove) - without identifying the reasons for this dramatic difference in performance how can we remedy the situation. Why not commission a detailed report ? It's like we think that by ignoring the problem, it might go away. Cork are not alone in their achievement - Cavan have matched them in the last 4 years in a tougher province - Why ? It's interesting to note that it's not due to lack of talent as we produced the best minors in the relevant time period but Tipp have put a lot of work into minor and are now dominant in Munster (that also illustrates our shortcomings at underage.) We have become complacent because our 'Golden Generation' - Gooch, Declan O Sullivan, The O Ses etc have been so good that the absence of a talent converyor belt has not been felt - Cork failed to capitalise because of hopelessly nieve tactical awareness by Conor Conuihan. That's all about to change IMO - we haven't won an AI since 2009 and are unlikely to any time soon. Cork have finally appointed a Manager that knows what he's doing and have another suberb crop coming through. Perhaps I'm over-reacting, time will tell, but the stats don't make good reading. I've raised this issue here - maybe it deserves a thread but based on the lack of response here, It does not seem to be an issue that concerns Kerry Supporters ?
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Post by glengael on Apr 11, 2014 9:52:02 GMT
It certainly concerns me jackmurphy. I said on some thread or other here that the real progress in Kerry this year would need to be made at underage level. So far that hasn't happened.
The senior team is in transition and performances are inconsistent at best. We have to live with that. I feel 2013 was an aberration, the last throw of the dice for that panel. Many of them are now gone to injury and retirement. It almost paid off but it didn't and there are no prizes for 3rd place.
I'm old enough to remember the 86-97 period and this feels a lot like it now.
Except that even in that bleak period we were making a few shapes at minor and u-21 level. Which we aren't doing now.
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Post by jackmurphy on Apr 11, 2014 11:56:35 GMT
It certainly concerns me jackmurphy. I said on some thread or other here that the real progress in Kerry this year would need to be made at underage level. So far that hasn't happened. The senior team is in transition and performances are inconsistent at best. We have to live with that. I feel 2013 was an aberration, the last throw of the dice for that panel. Many of them are now gone to injury and retirement. It almost paid off but it didn't and there are no prizes for 3rd place. I'm old enough to remember the 86-97 period and this feels a lot like it now. Except that even in that bleak period we were making a few shapes at minor and u-21 level. Which we aren't doing now. Well, I'm gald someone agree with me Glengael - I felt I was in a minority of One. What bothers me is that you must first admit there is a problem and the people in charge, naturally, don't like to admit to sleeping on their watch. Cavan is a perfect example of what can be achieved - they won 1 Ulster Minor title in the relevant time frame but have captured 4 U 21 titles - and the Ulster Minor Champs also won the AI in the other 3 years so it's been remarkable for them. They don't have 3rd level and have small picks so it's down to organisation IMO. We should be examining the Cavan and Cork models and there is bound to be major lessons to be learned. Maybe we are doing this on the QT but I doubt it. Cork neglected underage in Hurling and are now well behind the likes of Clare - I tnink that Cork will be the dominant force in Munster Senior Football for the next decade but it could be Tipp not us that are challenging them.
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Post by Premier on Apr 27, 2014 17:36:10 GMT
Does anyone know who the candidates are for the coming year? Would be surprised if the county board persisted with Darragh
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Post by cool1 on Apr 27, 2014 18:31:25 GMT
Don't think we are blessed with a huge number of experienced people in the County at present. I agree that Darragh has not set the world alight(playing 2 and losing 2 in 2 years). Any of his management team do not seem to have the necessary experience either. Our most prominent younger management prospects are probably involved with the minor team. Surely they will not go back to Mickey Ned!
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Post by dingle101 on Apr 27, 2014 19:21:03 GMT
Not all the blame can be put on daragh. You cant blame a manager who does not have the players.
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Post by sidelined on Apr 30, 2014 22:12:11 GMT
Don't think we are blessed with a huge number of experienced people in the County at present. I agree that Darragh has not set the world alight(playing 2 and losing 2 in 2 years). Any of his management team do not seem to have the necessary experience either. Our most prominent younger management prospects are probably involved with the minor team. Surely they will not go back to Mickey Ned! peoples biggest complaint about mickey ned is that he is too much of a gentleman to be in management and his teams reflect this , not enough devilment in their attitude. but he has experience at inter county management and preparing young players for senior intercounty football and this experience should not be wasted if only to combine with younger managers or selectors. also he had most of next years u21 at minor level
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Post by Jigz84 on May 1, 2014 15:33:00 GMT
Not all the blame can be put on daragh. You cant blame a manager who does not have the players. True but there was no drive at all by the players on the night. It was a knock-out Cork v Kerry Championship game and there was no temper on display. Whatever about the lack of quality of the players, Darragh and Co didn't appear to have the side motivated in any way.
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Post by dingle101 on May 1, 2014 22:01:11 GMT
True the players let themselves down on the night but from around the county im getting the vibe that its all daraghs fault.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2014 15:07:27 GMT
Next year should be better . 1 Shane Ryan 2 Brian Sugrue 3 Gavin Crowley 4 Pat o'Connor 5 Matt Flaherty 6 Denis Daly 7 Conor Jordan 8 Kieran Murphy 9 Barry O'Sullivan 10 Brian Crowley 11 Greg Horan 12 Miceal Burns 13 Niall Sheehy 14 Killian Spillane 15 Conor Keane . 16 Gavin Curran 17 Adrian Spillane 18 Dave Foran 19 Cathal O'Luing 20 Jack Savage 21 Gavin O'Shea 22 Jack Barry 23 Eanna O'Connor 24 Cillian Fitzgerald 25 Tom O'Sullivan 26 Tony Brosnan .
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Post by da Legionnaire on Jun 26, 2014 10:36:10 GMT
If the Twitter hacks are to be believed it looks like its Darragh back for another year with Seamus Moynihan joining as assistant manager. Dream Team or two guys with very little coaching experience. Discuss!!
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jun 26, 2014 10:43:27 GMT
If the Twitter hacks are to be believed it looks like its Darragh back for another year with Seamus Moynihan joining as assistant manager. Dream Team or two guys with very little coaching experience. Discuss!! I hope that is only hearsay. We were poor last year and I question the wisdom of giving rookies the job of U21 manager. U21 is only one step away from the senior post. At least Eamonn had some time a selector with the seniors before he got the job. Ideally I would like to see a successfully club manager get the gig. Like in the minors I know Pat O'Driscolls time wasn't exactly a success but, after what he did with Ardfert he deserved a shot at it. Even Pat Spillane has done some work with Templenoe and the Kenmare district. If we are looking to bring through players properly we need a strong U21 management. I highlighted bfeore on this forum how much of our success in the last decade was built upon our successful U21 teams from the 90's
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Post by shannonsider on Jun 26, 2014 13:23:39 GMT
If the Twitter hacks are to be believed it looks like its Darragh back for another year with Seamus Moynihan joining as assistant manager. Dream Team or two guys with very little coaching experience. Discuss!! I hope that is only hearsay. We were poor last year and I question the wisdom of giving rookies the job of U21 manager. U21 is only one step away from the senior post. At least Eamonn had some time a selector with the seniors before he got the job. Ideally I would like to see a successfully club manager get the gig. Like in the minors I know Pat O'Driscolls time wasn't exactly a success but, after what he did with Ardfert he deserved a shot at it. Even Pat Spillane has done some work with Templenoe and the Kenmare district. If we are looking to bring through players properly we need a strong U21 management. I highlighted bfeore on this forum how much of our success in the last decade was built upon our successful U21 teams from the 90's Seamus and Darragh are two of my favourite players of all time and were a pleasure to watch in the green and gold..but I really hope this isn't true. Surely we have learned at this stage that putting guys with no coaching experience with under 21 teams is a recipe for disaster? Where are all the coaches from u-15, u-16, minor development squads, schools level all gone? Great players do not great managers make in most cases. As we all well know, Jack is with the minors and if they do well enough over this year and next year he will seek the under 21 job, but at under 21 (above all levels) we really cannot afford to waste any more time. Over the last 2 years we have had the sum total of 120 minutes of championship action...that is not going to develop players much. As I mentioned before here, I think, our creation of scoring chances has meant very low scoring by Kerry standards in the last 2 years. Only 5 points from play in last years game and same again this year. There was a decent analysis by many posters here in fairness after the Cork game in March and many noted the lack of tactical awareness, the poor positioning of players and the poor (or lack of )positional switches during the game. In my opinion, there has been a lack of high quality coaching also. At schools level, our teams are more than a match for any Cork or other schools teams..why is it then, they are getting nowhere at under 21 level and start to look very disjointed at times? A lot of it down to coaching in my view. The trainer of the under 21 team for the last 2 years was an athletics coach..grand from a fitness point of view, but useless when it comes to setting up an attack, working on forward movement, working on moving the ball out of defence etc...that ONLY comes from good coaching. It kills me at times thinking about the likes of Donie Buckley above in Mayo when we have such a problem with this in Kerry, but I fear at times, politics and ego's get in the way of the right decisions being made. As someone mentioned Pat Spillane, I might aswell say I wouldn't have him next or near a Kerry team either. He seems well out of touch with the modern game and some of the stuff he comes out with (my nephew is the best minor in the country etc..) is just plain embarrassing, but above all, I wouldn't trust him to improve the team in any way.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jun 26, 2014 17:24:14 GMT
If the Twitter hacks are to be believed it looks like its Darragh back for another year with Seamus Moynihan joining as assistant manager. Dream Team or two guys with very little coaching experience. Discuss!! I hope that is only hearsay. We were poor last year and I question the wisdom of giving rookies the job of U21 manager. U21 is only one step away from the senior post. At least Eamonn had some time a selector with the seniors before he got the job. Ideally I would like to see a successfully club manager get the gig. Like in the minors I know Pat O'Driscolls time wasn't exactly a success but, after what he did with Ardfert he deserved a shot at it. Even Pat Spillane has done some work with Templenoe and the Kenmare district. If we are looking to bring through players properly we need a strong U21 management. I highlighted bfeore on this forum how much of our success in the last decade was built upon our successful U21 teams from the 90's We need to right this constant talk of Pat O Driscoll's time being a failure. He was there for one game and they lost to Tipp which was seen as a massive aberration so he was forced ot of his post- this Tipp team then went on to win the All Ireland. He should have been retained and given more of a chance- would have been better than his successor
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Post by yellowbelly on Jun 26, 2014 17:35:17 GMT
Kerry's Eye reporting Darragh and Seamus as a done deal. Plus there will be another selector, who is involved with an inter country team currently still in the All Ireland, so he won't be announced until September. Any guesses?
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 26, 2014 17:57:08 GMT
Kerry's Eye reporting Darragh and Seamus as a done deal. Plus there will be another selector, who is involved with an inter country team currently still in the All Ireland, so he won't be announced until September. Any guesses? Geezer??
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