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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Aug 27, 2007 11:28:47 GMT
Best team won, we could have won, a few crucial mistakes. Incredible occasion. I'm devastated for Dubs GAA, but there's more important things (just about! ) in life, and we will just get on with it & try to come back stronger I cant even begin to try to answer all the posts that will be on here, I'm only one and you are many, so I hope some of you will join the debates on Reservoirdubs. And go a bit aisy on me today & try to see both sides of the divide! It's been great sharing this GAA year with you all, to meet one or two great people, wonderful site, keep up the good work I salute your team & great tradition, hope we can match it sooner rather than later. Go n'eiri libh san gCluiche Ceannais, adh mor libh (agus le Owenabue! ), le gach dea, cluiche alainn a bheidh ann, le cunamh De Rashers
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Post by Joxer on Aug 27, 2007 12:15:14 GMT
well, commisserations rashers. As you say, an incredible occasion. High intensity stuff and thrilling from start to finish. I know from looking on Resevoirdubs that you guys have 'issues' with Bannons refereeing. Well, I guess its down to perspective and I'd agree that Galvin was lucky to stay on the field (but then Gooch didn't punch himself did he in the second half?..)but I felt we got exactly what we expected from him..i.e. Dublin bias! Unbelievable amount of frees for innocuous things went Dublins way and some that, to me, clearly should have gone our way e.g. Declan O'Sullivan being tackled around the head and free give to Dublin for , I guess, overcarrying. In the calm of the following morning, I think I'll leave it with Eamon Fitzmaurices comment in de paper today...referring to John Bannon he says "His ability at this level is questionable and has been for some time".
Regarding ye're team, I genuinely think you have the makings of a good one. I hope Whelan stays for his sake as much as Dublins, ye probably need one back and one forward but close, so damn close.
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Post by kingdomkerry on Aug 27, 2007 12:28:40 GMT
thought dublin support was strenght in numbers. Soudest fans ever!
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Post by Piggy on Aug 27, 2007 13:55:08 GMT
very gracious in defeat alright.they bring some atmosphere to croke park,yesterday was awesome.
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Post by JOAN on Aug 27, 2007 15:15:31 GMT
The dublin fans are the envy of every county in ireland.
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Post by madmac999 on Aug 27, 2007 15:50:47 GMT
Echo all over the above comments. The banter with the Dublin fans in Quinns before and after the game was legandary not a bad comment out of anyone. Everyone there for one reason there love of the GAA!!
A friend of mine was telling me how he had three pints both for him by three separate dubs supporters in the Big Tree after the game.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 27, 2007 16:12:03 GMT
hard luck rashers,that was a good dublin effort in fairness,ye just came up marginally short,
if you hurt with a dublin defeat in a big croker game as much as i do when kerry lose on the big occassions in croker then i know your pain.
it takes class to come on here and be gracious in defeat,well done and said all summer on the forum,you may aswell see the season out with us now.
what do you think pillar will do?,paul curran seems to be suggesting in the evening herald that he has brought this dublin team as far as he can. is it a bit like canavan/mcalinden/kiernan with armagh /01/02?
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Post by tabbyie on Aug 27, 2007 17:28:59 GMT
Fair play Rashers. Great atmosphere there. The Hill looked as if it was rocking. Every point cheered with great gusto. Great craic too after in the pubs.
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Post by peig on Aug 27, 2007 17:42:22 GMT
Hard luck there, Rashers. I echo some previous sentiments when I say how gracious you've been in defeat. However, I also feel your pain and I can imagine I can liken it to Kerry losing to Armagh in 2002. Here's hoping you'll stay with us for the final and impart your knowledge and wisdom until well after September 16th.
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Post by Aine on Aug 27, 2007 18:47:49 GMT
Was stopped by two dubs on the way to the ground asking if we had any spare tickets. Told them to go to Delahuntys as there was a few spares doing the rounds. I was told i was a sound kerry woman and they hoped Dublin wouldn't beat us by too much! Ha ha. Would have loved to have met them after. Hope they got a ticket though because the overall athmosphere in the gound and the football on display, every aspect really (excluding Mr. Bannon) was fantastic. Hard Luck Rashers, hope you had a good day despite the result.
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Post by madmac999 on Aug 27, 2007 21:20:30 GMT
I can honestly say that yesterday was the most enjoyable experience i ve ever had in croke park.. Much better than the All Ireland final last year, Better craic, better atmosphere , better game
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 27, 2007 21:40:27 GMT
Hard luck rashers........... I have been telling you all year that Dublin were very good....... they were unlucky to meet a team with some of the best players to ever wear the green and gold.........
The Dubs of the 1970 were in their late 20s when thay made the breakthrough so there is still time..........
Keep the faith
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Post by austinstacksabu on Aug 28, 2007 20:27:38 GMT
Rashers me auld segothia.....a devasting day for you and your Dublin kin no doubt.
In time, more than the Armagh match of 2002 or Mayo last year, this will be viewed as the one that got away. Ye were as prepared as ye could be and had done everything right until the day.
There will be questions asked as to what type of intensity Pillar wanted Dublin to bring to the game and if they focussed too much on being in the Kerry players faces rather than focussing (thinking particularly of Vaughan) on playing more football.
I believe Pillar should step aside - I can't think of a manager in the past twenty years who was into his fourth year before a team won an All Ireland.....or am I missing somebody?
Same voice syndrome sets in and Pillar should for his own sake consider what he can bring to the table next year that he hasn't before, in an effort to motivate the team.
Hard luck boss.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 28, 2007 20:30:45 GMT
I wonder will last sundays game be free with THE SUN in 30 years time......... personally i thought it was better than the 1977 game..........
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Post by FatTom on Aug 28, 2007 20:38:56 GMT
Seán Boylan?
His first all Ireland was 20 years ago so I presume he counts?
And surely our old friend Billy needs a mention in there?
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 28, 2007 20:51:29 GMT
it took sean till his fifth season to win sam.
'83 brought meath to a least one replay with dublin in the first round,daren fays father played in goals and let a howler through his legs,cost them the game.
'84,won the centenary cup v monaghan,shown their first glimsp of potential champions.
'85,collaped to laois in first or second round by big margin,somethin like 10 point loss.
'86,won the leinster championship,beat dublin in the final,colm o rourke won a ball in the left corner forward position under the old electronic scoreboard in front of the nally,cut back accross the goal and scored the decisive point with his right boot late in the game between the 14 and 21 slightly to the left of the goal into the hill end. kerry beat them in the semi,lyons and two other meath players collided in the meath goal mouth,the ball broke to ger power and he scored an easy goal for kerry.
'87,back to back leinsters and beat cork in the final.
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Post by ogie on Aug 29, 2007 21:13:52 GMT
this dublin team will not win an all ireland unless they find 3 more backs , one corner back a new full back and another wing back, whelan and ryan will be retired or past their sell by date next year, they have a good set of forwards probably only second to us in the country. dont seem to have much coming through so i think meath will take over in leinster next year , love to get a crack at them and shut hayes up for once and for all, without doubt the most annoying supporters of them all.
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Post by FatTom on Aug 29, 2007 21:15:55 GMT
Tyrone at full strength have better forwards.
O'Neill, MacGuigan, Dooher, Mulgrew, Mulligan - very strong.
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Post by ogie on Aug 29, 2007 21:35:06 GMT
you are right there fat tom.
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Post by Cornelius on Aug 30, 2007 3:30:34 GMT
Was part of 1 of the small pockets of Kerry fans in the Hill for the game against Dublin. I must say that Tension between both sets of supporters could have been cut with a Knife. In the area where I was standing,the Dublin fans were abusive and Hostile towards us ! Also most bitter in defeat!
Howsoever,thats Sport and we are the ones winging our way to Dublin for our 4th consecutive final! ;D ;D ;D
( Think that fantastic Picture of Jayo sums it all up! )
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Post by Piggy on Aug 30, 2007 8:46:00 GMT
i don't know how Galvin didn't burst his head when jayo started roaring in his face.personally id have to give him a belt in the head,fair play to Galvin though because we know how fiery he is.
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Post by Die Hard Kerry Fan on Aug 30, 2007 9:02:14 GMT
I'd love to have given Jayo a good slap around the mouth! W.Y.G.D.O.T.B. in regards to your post, regarding the hostility from the Dubs, I can agree with ya on that. I wasn't at the match, but got some fair old *e thrown at me by a few sore loser Dub fans.. They support Dublin for the sake of having the Dub jersey on and being able to mouth off cos they have it on. They're not true supporters at all. Any true supporters I did talk to were most gracious in defeat, no bitterness whatsoever, they only wished Kerry the best of luck for the final. True Dub fans are sound, the untrue ones, well, there's words for them
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Aug 30, 2007 9:13:53 GMT
Rashers me auld segothia.....a devasting day for you and your Dublin kin no doubt. In time, more than the Armagh match of 2002 or Mayo last year, this will be viewed as the one that got away. Ye were as prepared as ye could be and had done everything right until the day. There will be questions asked as to what type of intensity Pillar wanted Dublin to bring to the game and if they focussed too much on being in the Kerry players faces rather than focussing (thinking particularly of Vaughan) on playing more football. I believe Pillar should step aside - I can't think of a manager in the past twenty years who was into his fourth year before a team won an All Ireland.....or am I missing somebody? Same voice syndrome sets in and Pillar should for his own sake consider what he can bring to the table next year that he hasn't before, in an effort to motivate the team. Hard luck boss. Cheers Stacks, good points, agree with most, just two things: Pat O'Neill was, like Pillar this year, in his 6th year of involvement, the difference at that time being that Dublin had got to two finals, and had won the NFL twice, in the recent preceding years Regarding the "in your face", yes some of them were doing it, but are you saying that Kerry were not doing it, or doing alot of hard off the ball stuff? I thought it was more or less a fair fight, with neither team being more the instigators, but Dublin not q as good at carrying it off? Might I add, that very few Dublin fans are claiming, nor have rarely claimed in defeat, that they were the victims of intimidation, and I really think it's time that other counties gave up this childish carry-on about it always being Dublin, it's a complete contradiction when alot of the same people are saying that Dublin have been involved in many of the best matches over the years. Of course, this is always said after we lose, rarely if ever after we win, and therein lies the barely concealed condescension & begrudgery. So whilst I appreciate the magnanimity in victory, I'd very much doubt that the same things would be said in defeat, would they?
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Aug 30, 2007 9:18:25 GMT
Was part of 1 of the small pockets of Kerry fans in the Hill for the game against Dublin. I must say that Tension between both sets of supporters could have been cut with a Knife. In the area where I was standing,the Dublin fans were abusive and Hostile towards us ! Also most bitter in defeat! Howsoever,thats Sport and we are the ones winging our way to Dublin for our 4th consecutive final! ;D ;D ;D ( Think that fantastic Picture of Jayo sums it all up! ) I think I was standing near you, and it would be fair to say there was hostility from SOME fans (I remonstrated with two of them, they were OTT for sure), and that others shut them up.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Aug 30, 2007 9:23:49 GMT
this dublin team will not win an all ireland unless they find 3 more backs , one corner back a new full back and another wing back, whelan and ryan will be retired or past their sell by date next year, they have a good set of forwards probably only second to us in the country. dont seem to have much coming through so i think meath will take over in leinster next year , love to get a crack at them and shut hayes up for once and for all, without doubt the most annoying supporters of them all. I agree about the full back and have said several times on here that the loss of Paddy Christie was a grievous blow - but Ross was not quite the answer At corner back, many of us have wanted Stephen O'Shaughnessy back all year. At wing-back, Moran or Ger Brennan should be there instead of Casey, again, all things that many fans were saying all year Not sure about Meath next year, they might win Leinster, but having to replace Fay & GG will be hard for them, plus it will be "second season syndrome" for Coyler & the young lads who did so well this year. The key to everything for DUblin will be what happens about the manager, and we probably wont know for sure until the new year, as there will be alot of hard debates to come, alot of people will have a say in this
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Post by Piggy on Aug 30, 2007 12:23:52 GMT
duno about Fay but i thought GG said he'd stay on next year after getting hammered by cork.not sure is Fay upto it anymore,he's grand against a traditional full forward but in the modern game his lack of pace can be exploited as the dubs showed.
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Post by kerryman on Aug 30, 2007 12:34:18 GMT
I found all the Dublin fans /players/managers gracious in defeat which is a lot more than can be said for other counties.
Dubli did put up an outstanding performance, and the atmosphere was electric.
However, the booing and jeering when opposition are taking frees has no place in GAA and I hope Dublin fans learn that sooner rather than later. It certainly didn't seem to cause Bryan Sheehan any problems.
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Post by Piggy on Aug 30, 2007 12:48:32 GMT
in fairness the few i met were gracious aswell.as the tayro add goes 'there's always one'.every county will have tools who will bring down the imagine of all the people in that county.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Aug 30, 2007 15:28:59 GMT
I found all the Dublin fans /players/managers gracious in defeat which is a lot more than can be said for other counties. Dubli did put up an outstanding performance, and the atmosphere was electric. However, the booing and jeering when opposition are taking frees has no place in GAA and I hope Dublin fans learn that sooner rather than later. It certainly didn't seem to cause Bryan Sheehan any problems. Not too sure about "outstanding", but it was a brilliant match There's no argument about jeering, of course it makes no difference, other than to challenge the free-taker to be inspired, which the top takers usually achieve. A funny thing I noticed was that Cooper didnt really get booed taking frees. It will always happen & all counties do it. I really wish some people would grow up and we could get much more like the rugby attitude to respect, though I'd hate to see the passion & fire go from the atmosphere - the rugby games in Croker were a bit lacking in that
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Post by austinstacksabu on Aug 30, 2007 16:27:58 GMT
Rashers, I wasn't saying that Kerry didn't do it.....we did. However, to be perfectly honest, I feel Dublin led with it initially to try and out psyche Kerry, to add to the already intimidating atmosphere. Kerry fought fire with fire in return.
My question relates to why Dublin chose this tactic - I believe it took from their game and that they would have been better off putting a bit more of that agression into how they played football rather than how they got in Kerry players faces.
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