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Post by mozzy on Sept 23, 2012 23:17:41 GMT
Reading the last two posts gives me great hope for next year... Thanks for posting. Biting at the bit already for 2013.
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Post by glengael on Sept 24, 2012 9:59:04 GMT
Driving past Austin Stack Park over the weekend , I found myself thinking about 2013 and League matches on cold dark nights and the talk of the future and all the things that hopefully we have to look forward to!
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 16, 2013 19:43:59 GMT
The depressing saga of losing to teams who defend in numbers and hit on the break continues.
Crokes were shown up today tactically by Ballymun.
Its beyond a joke at this stage that Kerry sides dont attempt to adapt
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Feb 16, 2013 19:53:43 GMT
The depressing saga of losing to teams who defend in numbers and hit on the break continues. Crokes were shown up today tactically by Ballymun. Its beyond a joke at this stage that Kerry sides dont attempt to adapt Yeah I've said the same in the Crokes thread and previously also! The game has changed and we need to change with it- we are sticking to our naive style of play that is becoming outdated. We engage in our usual sanctimonious rubbish whenever we lose- its always about the other team being cynical or the other team being dirty but these tactics have been evolving for over 10 years now.
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Feb 16, 2013 19:55:28 GMT
The depressing saga of losing to teams who defend in numbers and hit on the break continues. Crokes were shown up today tactically by Ballymun. Its beyond a joke at this stage that Kerry sides dont attempt to adapt Agreed.
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Post by Ard Mhacha on Feb 17, 2013 0:20:05 GMT
I buy Gaelic Life every week. Just read columns by Joe Brolly and Brian McGuigan. Both have said the same thing. That Kerry could be in for a few lean years the way things are going. Kerry don't seem to have the crops of minors coming through that Dublin or Tyrone have.
I'm not sure myself. Although minor and u-21 success helps the senior side, I don't think it's essential. Kerry haven't won minor since 1994 I think, yet have won 6 senior in that time. I know the first two league defeats aren't like Kerry teams of previous years, I don't think it's panic stations down in Kerry just yet. Or am I wrong? What's the feeling in the kingdom?
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Post by seaniebo on Feb 17, 2013 9:00:22 GMT
Yesterday was exactly like watching Kerry play for sure. At one stage Brady was in possession around the 21 yard line albeit near the sideline but found himself surrounded and without any hint of support he had no choice but to boot the ball about 30 yards out the field. Ballymun had at this stage regrouped and had so many men behind the ball. What you have then is a situation where a Crokes man trying either to burst through a packed defence or trying a delicate through ball to another man equally surrounded. It's frustrating so say the least.
It simpy resembled watching our Inter County team now. Something has to change.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Feb 17, 2013 11:18:15 GMT
Yesterday was exactly like watching Kerry play for sure. At one stage Brady was in possession around the 21 yard line albeit near the sideline but found himself surrounded and without any hint of support he had no choice but to boot the ball about 30 yards out the field. Ballymun had at this stage regrouped and had so many men behind the ball. What you have then is a situation where a Crokes man trying either to burst through a packed defence or trying a delicate through ball to another man equally surrounded. It's frustrating so say the least. It simpy resembled watching our Inter County team now. Something has to change. I just cant understand how basic the defensive tactics are- all that happens is that teams get back in numbers and play 2 sweepers. There are 2 very simple ways to counteract this- move the ball faster into the forward line and have fitter players. Ballymun did exactly what Donegal did to us- get back in numbers and force players away from the scoring zone (ie out towards the sideline) where they can be easily boxed in and make erratic decisions. Bloody hell- please stop handpassing the ball so much and if you are doing so then do it at pace and only when necessary. GAA has become a counter attacking game- like Crokes ended up 2 v 2 in their own 21 for most of the match yet Ballymun always had enough men back to outnumber the Crokes forwards.
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 17, 2013 12:36:12 GMT
Ok so, if kerry did press the nuclear button and went defensive how do proponents of this style see the current Kerry team lining up?
Who plays the single forward up front? Donegal v Kerry last August was underpinned by Colm McFadden winning 50/50 balls and scoring on the spin. A high risk strategy to underpin a highend championship Croker game. McFadden made Marc look like a rag doll flapping in a south westerly gale that day!
Who plays the Mark McHugh role from the current Kerry panel?
Where would Colms role fit into the defensive game?
Could some of the egos in the Kerry dressingroom cope with being an interchange player for the greater good of the team?
The modern game is built on fitness, freshness, hunger and desire to win, none of these traits are a "given" from the core senior Kerry players in 2013 after a decade at the coal face of the game. Core form of the core players has been an issue since 2009, particularly in attack and is a greater concern/factor than the perceived quality of the young players coming through at the moment for the 2013 season.
Kerry are begining to experience the side effects now of contesting 9 finals in 12 seasons, regeneration is about due process. Flogging aging players to death in a high octane game now might become more about footballing euthanasia rather than about regeneration of players.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Feb 17, 2013 14:26:39 GMT
Ok so, if kerry did press the nuclear button and went defensive how do proponents of this style see the current Kerry team lining up? Who plays the single forward up front? Donegal v Kerry last August was underpinned by Colm McFadden winning 50/50 balls and scoring on the spin. A high risk strategy to underpin a highend championship Croker game. McFadden made Marc look like a rag doll flapping in a south westerly gale that day! Who plays the Mark McHugh role from the current Kerry panel? Where would Colms role fit into the defensive game? Could some of the egos in the Kerry dressingroom cope with being an interchange player for the greater good of the team? The modern game is built on fitness, freshness, hunger and desire to win, none of these traits are a "given" from the core senior Kerry players in 2013 after a decade at the coal face of the game. Core form of the core players has been an issue since 2009, particularly in attack and is a greater concern/factor than the perceived quality of the young players coming through at the moment for the 2013 season. Kerry are begining to experience the side effects now of contesting 9 finals in 12 seasons, regeneration is about due process. Flogging aging players to death in a high octane game now might become more about footballing euthanasia rather than about regeneration of players. Surely your overall conclusion answers your original question
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Feb 17, 2013 15:04:30 GMT
Maybe kerry should change it's style of player? One thing that stood out for me in all three games I have seen is the difference in physique between kerry forwards, in particular, and their direct opponents. How many times have they been able to take on an opponent and break a tackle or two? We seem to have quite a few players who are excellent if given the space and time to do so, however, because football appears to have changed so much, maybe we are playing the wrong type of footballer? I wonder would there be room for the likes of a Mike Frank, Derek Savage type player on an inter county team any more? It appears that braun is now just as important as skill.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Feb 17, 2013 16:00:23 GMT
Following on from what KG said there, I was thinking recently, and in the past year or two, that Kerry senior football teams have been, in many years, getting to league & All-I semis and finals, and therefore it would make sense to me that they would look to, either deliberately or by force of inevitability, take a "hands-off" approach to the early part of the year. I know that club situation is different, but it still applies that the best club players, in the strongest club teams, are in the same situation, they are the county players also. That brings me to style of play. There's no point debating style of play if the teams you are talking about are clearly not operating at the same intensity as other teams. That brings me back to my first point, the current poor performances of Kerry teams this year have alot to do with lack of intensity, which makes judgement of stlye of play almost irrelevant/impossible. But let's say when these teams start playing with that intensity, what way should they play? To suggest that Kerry teams had not already significantly altered their style from the "traditional" is naive in the extreme to my mind. Since about 2008 at least, Kerry's senior footballers at least have adopted a more withdrawn style that involves alot of lateral hand-passing. They keep possession brilliantly, when playing at max intensity, but against the best teams, they still aren't going to break down the defence enough to be as successful as before.
But when two top teams with the 'Tyrone-developed' style of play go at each other, what happens? Some sort of stalemate, and probably the team with the best forwards still wins out. Kerry's crisis of style was to my mind in reaction trying to beat Tyrone. They went with an adapted style of possession/interchange play, with target-men for long diagonal ball option. It worked very well to some extent but hasn't worked against the best 'Tyrone'-style teams because:
1. The handpassing leads to very damaging counter-attack turnover oportunities. 2. The ball is not getting into the forwards quick or accurately enough, and even when it does, the zone is too crowded. 3. Both the difficulty of longer-serving "undroppable" players adapting to possible further change, and now steady the loss/decline of those players.
Solution: 1. Either go with a very similar counter-attack style, where quality of forwards should see Kerry win more than lose. Will require older players to adapt or go, and newer players to be good & willing enough. 2. Or adapt an even more varied mixed game that allows for all counter-attack, direct orthodox play and possession/hand-pass game as needed, at the highest intensity of course. I think this was what Jack O'Connor achieved to some extent in 2009, but loss of players, lack of adapting, and burnout have resulted in a need for putting together a fairly new team. 3. In other words, it needs time. Of course the best teams out there are also further adapting this varied mixed style of 'total football'. Therefore the best teams with the best players and tactics and management will continue to win.
I think Donegal in the next two years will be a very different prospect to 2011, they are already. As Dublin are very different to 2010. Tyrone are well on the way to rebuilding and they already had the blue-prints for the mixed game. Cork seem to have tried to be like Kerry, and unlike Kerry they still had alot of players in their prime, but didn't adapt well enough to win more All-Irelands, yet. Can CC do it at this late stage? Mayo are right up there too, but need a very top forward or two to further develop, or emerge. They don't quite have the physical abilities/size of the other top teams, but are also developing that aspect, but compared to Cork, Donegal & Dublin they have to play a more passing & space-finding game because they don't really have such tackle-breaking or target-man options.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Feb 17, 2013 23:11:34 GMT
John O'Keeffe said it as far back as 2002 that finding a man at a medium distance is what the game is about, as is medium to long range points, like McFadden does. Hr is clear that moving teh ball aroudn quickly erodes the very ugly hunting in packs and blanket defense.
If the experts think it is best then why aren't teams doing it? Who doen't the experts come in here and take each other on? Invite Johnno in, and then he will educate us all, as we are all very clearly missing the point, pun not intended!
Maybe that is an idea for Control, have an expert in the forum occasionally?
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Post by buck02 on Feb 18, 2013 11:17:32 GMT
On a related topic I was listening to Gary O Sullivan on Radio Kerry yesterday.
He was talking about Pat Spillanes article in the Sunday World yesterday. Pat was bemoaning Kerrys performances of the last two weekends and forecasts a return to the last 80's/90's for Kerry. No surprise there.
But the big talking point was that Pat said he (and other former inter county players) had offered their services to development squads in the last number of years. Pat said he wasnt even afforded the courtesy of a return phone call from the powers that be.
Now to be fair to Pat, he courts publicity and often opens his mouth before his brain has fully processed the available information, but surely he would have a lot to offer the development squads. The young players Templenoe have produced in the last few years would back up this arguement.
It begs the question as to whether or not all available resources are being used by the county board.
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Post by lobitin on Feb 18, 2013 11:40:11 GMT
I'm not knocking Pat Spillane or any other former Inter County Player...but have they been involved in coaching since retiring???
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Post by buck02 on Feb 18, 2013 11:52:52 GMT
I'm not knocking Pat Spillane or any other former Inter County Player...but have they been involved in coaching since retiring??? I understand that Pat Spillane has coached under-age teams in Templenoe in recent years. Templenoe have produced a significant number of Kerry minors over the past 3 or 4 years, when you take the size of the club into account.
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Post by parishexile on Feb 18, 2013 12:06:42 GMT
One of the reasons why Kerry have been succesful over the past 100 years is that they have been able to adapt and change to different styles of football as they evolve. Down in the 60's, Dublin in the 70's, Armagh and Tyrone in the 00's; whilst Kerry may not have been able to beat these teams one v one, they have gone on to win all irelands after meeting these teams by adapting and changing there play. Over the past 2 years football has again changed based on how Donegal and maybe Dublin play it i.e. extremely fit, physcially strong, adaptable players in all positions, who can attack and defend almost on mass when the need arises. Kerry I'm sure will again adapt to suit this style however we seem to be a fair distance away at the moment, based on Kerry teams performances (at all grades) over past while and Crokes over the weekend. Development squads etc. is probbably where this change needs to start; Kerry footballers always have skill but seem at the moment to be very weak at tackling and are lagging behind in physcialilty and maybe even fitness for todays football. Are development squads for instance doing Strength and Conditioning work ?? Im sure they are working on tackling but is it of a suitable intensity ??
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 18, 2013 22:33:03 GMT
Fair play to you rashers for taking the time to write that post which provides plenty of food for though. I will reply to you when i have time.
Ten years is a long time to be losing to broadly the same tactic ... losing ball on turnover and being nailed on the counter attack. The all ireland wins in 2004, 2006 and 2009 were not against sides that play that tactic.
Will it take Kerry another ten years to adapt its style for such systems.
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 18, 2013 23:38:22 GMT
A little bit of perspective and realism.
Kerry have contested two All-Ireland Finals in the last four seasons winning one of them. Pretty impressive stat.
Kerry's stats for the 00's are the most decorated in the history of game, of any era of any decade or of any team. 5 won, 8 contested and one replayed and all 10 All-Ireland semi finals contested. Throw in 3 or 4 League and Championship doubles for good measure.
There must surely be a point when debate can become either flawed or ill-informed?
Furthermore, Ulster probably enjoyed its best ever decade during that same decade during the 00's. Unprecedented stats all around.
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Post by seaniebo on Feb 19, 2013 0:16:16 GMT
It's refreshing to see some perspective. As usual Kerrygold comes up with the goods.
We are entering the great unknown but sure isn't that sport at the end of the day. Any given Sunday. We've been written off with years. How many times was that said to us. Usually by the begrudgers. They're bound to get it right at some stage, but by Jaysus they're a long time trying. They might have to wait another bit. Such is sport
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Feb 19, 2013 12:19:06 GMT
A little bit of perspective and realism. Kerry have contested two All-Ireland Finals in the last four seasons winning one of them. Pretty impressive stat. Kerry's stats for the 00's are the most decorated in the history of game, of any era of any decade or of any team. 5 won, 8 contested and one replayed and all 10 All-Ireland semi finals contested. Throw in 3 or 4 League and Championship doubles for good measure. There must surely be a point when debate can become either flawed or ill-informed? Furthermore, Ulster probably enjoyed its best ever decade during that same decade during the 00's. Unprecedented stats all around. Agree with you 100%. People think too much about certain aspects, read too much into things that they themselves put a bias on, and forget about the greater perspective. In the greater scheme of things Kerry are simply re-building and it's hard to come to terms with all that this entails especially following on an era of massive success. That level of success is sometimes taken for granted by those at the centre of it, that's just human nature, and the relative perspective of always wanting more or greater success, or even to maintain the success just achieved. Add in the possibility that with a bit of tweeking and not too much changing there is always the chance of grabbing another All-I before some greats of the game retire, and you have a sometimes agonising, somewhat risky but overall enviable cocktail. And just to add to my post above, I think Mayo if anyone are the team currently to be a case-study in the "style of play/what can be achieved" debate, simply because they possibly don't have the quantity of big players of the required ability to win more (yet!), but are very close to winning things, and if they manage it, it will have been at least in large part to some brilliant tactical manoeuvres.
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Post by Kingdomson on Feb 19, 2013 17:24:07 GMT
McGuigan says Kerry face long wait to lift Sam By John Fogarty - Tuesday, February 19, 2013 Tyrone’s Brian McGuigan has told Kerry to forget about winning an All-Ireland title for the next six or seven years. The three-time All-Ireland winner said the county has to focus instead on improving their underage structure if they want to ensure they get back to winning ways. Agreeing with the late Páidí Ó Sé’s infamous 2003 assessment of Kingdom supporters, the Ardboe man insists Kerry have to plough ahead with this course of action regardless of what their followers think. McGuigan was informed by those at Saturday week’s All-Ireland intermediate final between Cookstown and Finuge that the difference in skill was massive. He claims it is yet another example of how much Kerry have fallen back in preparing their footballers. "For me, the problem for Kerry isn’t at minor or U21 level, it’s much earlier than that. It is in the development of their young players at 14 and 15 years of age that they need to be investing their efforts and resources, because that’s the level where they can improve. By minor and u-21 level, it’s too late." Writing in his Gaelic Life magazine column, McGuigan continued: "Kerry need to forget about success or All-Irelands for the next six or seven years, and instead just concentrate on getting their underage structures and development squads right. We all know Kerry pride themselves on their naturally gifted footballers, but the modern game has such an emphasis on intensity and work rate, which means that so much time needs to be spent on strength and conditioning. Whether they like it or not, the game has moved on, and Kerry are going to have to act if they are to catch up with the leading pack again." McGuigan feels Eamonn Fitzmaurice’s popularity in Kerry will give him room to work on improving things but he doesn’t expect fans’ patience to extend all that much. "Páidí Ó Sé said already what Kerry supporters are like and if things keep going downhill then I can’t see a manager lasting too long. Luckily for him, Eamonn Fitzmaurice seems to be a popular fella in Kerry and I think that will buy him a bit of time to straighten things out. If the results don’t come, and they keep producing performances when they don’t score for an entire half or don’t at least try to make a game of it, then it won’t be long till the Kerry supporters are on his back." www.irishexaminer.com/text/sport/cwcwmhkfcwoj/PS: He's probably right but one can't escape the feeling Brian is enjoying pouring the salt in!
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 11, 2015 20:08:33 GMT
This thread could now be titled "Should Dublin change the way of playing".
And if Dublin do so and win the All Ireland by being as defensive as they were in 2011, the media wont give a tinkers curse.
The current sniping about Kerry being defensive gladdens my heart. Too often we were "relics of ould dacency" playing the game a certain way that made it easier for counter attacking teams to exploit.
The 2005 and 2011 final were lost to turnovers.
Do we want that again.
As a certain recently deceased politician from the north used to say NEVER, NEVER NEVER
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Post by fitz on Mar 11, 2015 20:36:21 GMT
This thread could now be titled "Should Dublin change the way of playing". And if Dublin do so and win the All Ireland by being as defensive as they were in 2011, the media wont give a tinkers curse. The current sniping about Kerry being defensive gladdens my heart. Too often we were "relics of ould dacency" playing the game a certain way that made it easier for counter attacking teams to exploit. The 2005 and 2011 final were lost to turnovers. Do we want that again. As a certain recently deceased politician from the north used to say NEVER, NEVER NEVER From memory in 2011 the key moment was a very specific turnover rather than turnovers being systemic throughout the game In 2005 our turnovers were viral, especially our half forward line, BUT Tyrone kicked 16 points that day, and kicked 5 more scores than Kerry. I think 2005 was lost to a better team
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Post by fitz on Mar 11, 2015 20:38:45 GMT
Yikes before SkyBlue and Rashers pour lava on me - Dublin deserved their victory too in 2011. We've worn keyboards out on that debate
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Post by sullyschoice on Mar 12, 2015 20:11:31 GMT
McGuigan says Kerry face long wait to lift Sam By John Fogarty - Tuesday, February 19, 2013 Tyrone’s Brian McGuigan has told Kerry to forget about winning an All-Ireland title for the next six or seven years. The three-time All-Ireland winner said the county has to focus instead on improving their underage structure if they want to ensure they get back to winning ways. Agreeing with the late Páidí Ó Sé’s infamous 2003 assessment of Kingdom supporters, the Ardboe man insists Kerry have to plough ahead with this course of action regardless of what their followers think. McGuigan was informed by those at Saturday week’s All-Ireland intermediate final between Cookstown and Finuge that the difference in skill was massive. He claims it is yet another example of how much Kerry have fallen back in preparing their footballers. "For me, the problem for Kerry isn’t at minor or U21 level, it’s much earlier than that. It is in the development of their young players at 14 and 15 years of age that they need to be investing their efforts and resources, because that’s the level where they can improve. By minor and u-21 level, it’s too late." Writing in his Gaelic Life magazine column, McGuigan continued: "Kerry need to forget about success or All-Irelands for the next six or seven years, and instead just concentrate on getting their underage structures and development squads right. We all know Kerry pride themselves on their naturally gifted footballers, but the modern game has such an emphasis on intensity and work rate, which means that so much time needs to be spent on strength and conditioning. Whether they like it or not, the game has moved on, and Kerry are going to have to act if they are to catch up with the leading pack again." McGuigan feels Eamonn Fitzmaurice’s popularity in Kerry will give him room to work on improving things but he doesn’t expect fans’ patience to extend all that much. "Páidí Ó Sé said already what Kerry supporters are like and if things keep going downhill then I can’t see a manager lasting too long. Luckily for him, Eamonn Fitzmaurice seems to be a popular fella in Kerry and I think that will buy him a bit of time to straighten things out. If the results don’t come, and they keep producing performances when they don’t score for an entire half or don’t at least try to make a game of it, then it won’t be long till the Kerry supporters are on his back." www.irishexaminer.com/text/sport/cwcwmhkfcwoj/PS: He's probably right but one can't escape the feeling Brian is enjoying pouring the salt in! I think his crystal ball had a big crack in it.
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 12, 2015 21:02:02 GMT
McGuigan says Kerry face long wait to lift Sam By John Fogarty - Tuesday, February 19, 2013 Tyrone’s Brian McGuigan has told Kerry to forget about winning an All-Ireland title for the next six or seven years. The three-time All-Ireland winner said the county has to focus instead on improving their underage structure if they want to ensure they get back to winning ways. Agreeing with the late Páidí Ó Sé’s infamous 2003 assessment of Kingdom supporters, the Ardboe man insists Kerry have to plough ahead with this course of action regardless of what their followers think. McGuigan was informed by those at Saturday week’s All-Ireland intermediate final between Cookstown and Finuge that the difference in skill was massive. He claims it is yet another example of how much Kerry have fallen back in preparing their footballers. "For me, the problem for Kerry isn’t at minor or U21 level, it’s much earlier than that. It is in the development of their young players at 14 and 15 years of age that they need to be investing their efforts and resources, because that’s the level where they can improve. By minor and u-21 level, it’s too late." Writing in his Gaelic Life magazine column, McGuigan continued: "Kerry need to forget about success or All-Irelands for the next six or seven years, and instead just concentrate on getting their underage structures and development squads right. We all know Kerry pride themselves on their naturally gifted footballers, but the modern game has such an emphasis on intensity and work rate, which means that so much time needs to be spent on strength and conditioning. Whether they like it or not, the game has moved on, and Kerry are going to have to act if they are to catch up with the leading pack again." McGuigan feels Eamonn Fitzmaurice’s popularity in Kerry will give him room to work on improving things but he doesn’t expect fans’ patience to extend all that much. "Páidí Ó Sé said already what Kerry supporters are like and if things keep going downhill then I can’t see a manager lasting too long. Luckily for him, Eamonn Fitzmaurice seems to be a popular fella in Kerry and I think that will buy him a bit of time to straighten things out. If the results don’t come, and they keep producing performances when they don’t score for an entire half or don’t at least try to make a game of it, then it won’t be long till the Kerry supporters are on his back." www.irishexaminer.com/text/sport/cwcwmhkfcwoj/PS: He's probably right but one can't escape the feeling Brian is enjoying pouring the salt in! I think his crystal ball had a big crack in it. An enlightened piece in fairness.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Mar 12, 2015 23:27:05 GMT
This thread could now be titled "Should Dublin change the way of playing". And if Dublin do so and win the All Ireland by being as defensive as they were in 2011, the media wont give a tinkers curse. The current sniping about Kerry being defensive gladdens my heart. Too often we were "relics of ould dacency" playing the game a certain way that made it easier for counter attacking teams to exploit. The 2005 and 2011 final were lost to turnovers. Do we want that again. As a certain recently deceased politician from the north used to say NEVER, NEVER NEVER Jaysus Mick, would you ever give it up. You want to have your cake, bake it, ruin it, and still eat it
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 13, 2015 7:56:41 GMT
This thread could now be titled "Should Dublin change the way of playing". And if Dublin do so and win the All Ireland by being as defensive as they were in 2011, the media wont give a tinkers curse. The current sniping about Kerry being defensive gladdens my heart. Too often we were "relics of ould dacency" playing the game a certain way that made it easier for counter attacking teams to exploit. The 2005 and 2011 final were lost to turnovers. Do we want that again. As a certain recently deceased politician from the north used to say NEVER, NEVER NEVER Jaysus Mick, would you ever give it up. You want to have your cake, bake it, ruin it, and still eat it so I take it that you agree with me rashers, when Dublin won in 2011 with an ultra defensive system, the media (bar Joe Brolly) had no problem with it and wont in 2015 if they do so again.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Mar 13, 2015 12:29:17 GMT
Jaysus Mick, would you ever give it up. You want to have your cake, bake it, ruin it, and still eat it so I take it that you agree with me rashers, when Dublin won in 2011 with an ultra defensive system, the media (bar Joe Brolly) had no problem with it and wont in 2015 if they do so again. I don't think Dublin were ultra defensive in 2011.
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