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Post by kerrygold on Aug 23, 2011 11:42:36 GMT
Current form points towards a Dublin win, but a two horse race in Croker is not an exact science. They will be 83000 people there on Sunday, Dublin's performance from the Tyrone game will possibly drop a small notch next time out. It would be difficult to close out an All- Ireland championship by peaking in three games.
Sunday is a real pressure cooker type situation for the Dubs on, looking forward to seeing where they really sit in the scheme of things as they were poor in the Leinster Final and calved in the League Final at the death.
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Post by Joxer on Aug 23, 2011 12:07:02 GMT
I think this game will go down to the wire...if Dublin can deliver on the obvious potential that clearly lurks within them, then that statement will appear ridiculous by 5pm Sunday and they'll be home and hosed with 10+pts to spare....but potential and reality don't always collide. It is very difficult to truly feel confident with a 'line of form' in the current Championship. In our own case, we would appear to not have had the most difficult run to the final....was that down to our ability at making things look easier than they are or were they truly easy. For us, it matters not at this stage as we're there and all hinges on 70 mins now. We have a line of form going back through the league , with a lot achieved. Both Dublin and Donegal had good league campaigns and have obviously come through the front door , through to the Semi-Final. ...two lines of form , certainly as good as ours. But what will separate them?...If Dublin win comfortably here, then all bets are off...they'll have answered all doubts and be back where they want to be. A Donegal victory though is at least of equal likelihood in my opinion right at this moment, though I cannot see a large Donegal victory as easily as I can, a Dublin one.
Anyway, sticking to my 'down to the wire' theory....I think Donegal by 1pt.....my reasons? gut, more than anything else but the auld gut has been wrong before.....
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 23, 2011 14:00:32 GMT
Perfect performances!
It would be hard to beat the Dubs performance against Tyrone.
Okay they could have converted the 4 goal chances but apart from that it was near enough as good as it gets.
The fundamentals were all there.
They won the high ball and the low ball in the middle.
The forwards hassled and harried when Tyrone defenders had the ball.
The footpassing was precision itself.
There was no mindless soloing with the ball as in previous years............instead sharp accurate fast 70;30 deliveries into the forwards.
The forwards and Connolly in particular had that precious second or two to take tehir scores which they did with calss.
If the Dubs repeat that they will reach the final with plenty to spare.
But theres the rub......will they..........can they .........could any team?
Probably not.
Gilroy said after that game that he could see that performace coming from the way the 15 a sid ewas going in training.
This Dublin side is a different animal altogether from 2007-2008 mainly due to the work of the half forward line.
Add to that dome real defenders like Ross O Carroll or is it Rory.........there are two of them there and one is as good as the other.
Donegal reteatedly gave the ball away to Kildare who promptly gave it back. It was a poor quality game that was very exciting at the end.
So........... Donegal will have to find a gear that they havent shown so far this year and Dublin will have to play several notches below the Tyrone performance if its to be an even game.
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Post by champer on Aug 23, 2011 14:12:24 GMT
Can Dublin work up an early lead?
If they can then Donegal will have to come out of defence early and try and play some football. If this happens the Dubs will win easily.
If Donegal can keep within 2 or 3 points up to 55 minutes then it will become interesting.
A handy Dublin win would suit Kerry better as it will not give a true reflection of where they are at. Victory in a close battle would serve Donegal and especially Dublin best.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Aug 23, 2011 16:24:41 GMT
Although Cork last year managed to finally win an All-I by toughing out very close games and coming from behind, it's not often the way it happens for teams trying to make a breakthrough. The most successful teams have established a level of belief and experience that allows them often to pace themselves whilst winning without having to show their full hand. Teams tring to get a monkey off their back can't afford the luxury of not trying to win the game as comprehensively as possible. Dublin probably would have beaten Tyrone whilst playing with less intensity and precision the last day. They did it the year before. Against Donegal, trying to win a semi-final for the first time in 5 attempts in the past decade, Dublin will not want to allow a close finish if they can help it. Although it might work out best that they have a close finish, it's also a massive risk considering previous history. Therefore I believe that we will see Dublin's full hand again on sunday. Even if DOnegal play poorly, Dublin won't be able to afford to alow any potential resurrection and will have to keep going. Kerry, against Mayo, switched off in the last 15 minutes, but were able to re-ignite and do the necessary to close out the game. If they had got panicky, it's possible that Mayo would have got another goal and the game turn into a dramatic finish. That's how easily it can happen, but Kerry were never going to lose, because they have the experience and belief. Dublin have to prove and establish those things still. Also I think DOnegal will be that bit tougher than Mayo. They have a bit more experience in their ranks, and their coach strikes me as being a very tough character.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 23, 2011 18:04:23 GMT
rashers makes a valid point that Dublin will have to go at it full throttle again as they dont want a dodgy last 10 with all the baggage of losing semi finals.
If they win d'all ireland with two more full on performances like the Tyrone game then we'll all be doffing or caps to them
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Post by glengael on Aug 23, 2011 21:00:03 GMT
Any idea who the ref is as yet? Weather for the next few days is fairly wet but that may have changed by Sunday.
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Post by delorean on Aug 23, 2011 21:55:08 GMT
Any idea who the ref is as yet? Maurice Deegan's the ref.
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Post by North Clare on Aug 23, 2011 23:06:07 GMT
I hope to God that Dublin win otherwise the final will be an anti- climax, i will be backing Dublin minus 5 points tomorrow once i get the best price available.
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Post by North Clare on Aug 23, 2011 23:10:30 GMT
Dublin misus 5 points is priced at 2/1 with Paddy Powers, get on folks.
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Post by nicoshea on Aug 24, 2011 15:13:21 GMT
www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/controversial-ref-deegan-steps-back-into-eye-of-the-storm-16040562.html?r=RSSControversial ref Deegan steps back into eye of the stormThe man who found himself in the eye of a storm following the Ulster final will be very much in the spotlight again on Sunday when Donegal take on Dublin in the All-Ireland football semi-final at Croke Park. Laois referee Maurice Deegan incurred the wrath of Derry fans when he failed to award a penalty after substitute Emmet McGuckin had clearly been the victim of a frontal charge close to the Donegal posts in the second half of the Clones showdown. To add insult to injury from a Derry perspective, Deegan did award a penalty to Donegal from which captain Michael Murphy scored to send his team on the path to victory. And it was the tale of the penalty that was and the penalty that wasn’t which dominated practically all the post-match analysis, comment and debate. Derry manager John Brennan was particularly scathing in his criticism of Deegan, suggesting that the non-awarding of a penalty to his side for the tackle on McGuckin had a major bearing on the outcome of the game. Deegan also took charge of the Donegal v Antrim Ulster championship opener, by common consent one of the poorest matches in the competition for some time. Deegan’s appointment to take charge of Sunday’s semi-final is significant for two reasons. It sends out the message that the GAA authorities and more precisely the National Referees Appointments Committee are to all intents and purposes happy with the manner in which he controlled the Ulster final, and it also cements the belief that Cavan’s Joe McQuillan may get the honour of refereeing the All-Ireland final. Deegan is one of the most experienced whistlers on the inter-county panel right now. He handled the 2008 All-Ireland final between Kerry and Tyrone as well as taking charge of the Ulster final replay in the same year. McQuillan’s star has clearly been in the ascendancy of late and he is expected to be given the All-Ireland final on the back of some very accomplished performances in major matches this year
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Post by falveyb2k on Aug 24, 2011 20:24:31 GMT
McQuillan should never be left ref an All Ireland final, especially after last year and it astounds me that you can make repeated mistakes like Deegan does and still get big games. Meanwhile the best ref in Ireland has probably reffed his last game
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 25, 2011 9:05:58 GMT
Battered Tyrone need to be rebuilt, declares McGuigan by Paul Keane Thursday, August 25, 2011 FORMER All Star Frank McGuigan claims he foresaw Tyrone’s hammering by Dublin, insisting the once mighty Red Hands need a major overhaul. The Tyrone great typically pulled no punches in his assessment of the current team’s fortunes, saying "Mother Nature has crept up" on them. What’s most worrying is McGuigan’s admission that his two sons, Tyrone forwards Brian and Tommy, may retire with a host of other veterans over the winter. He said Brian, 32 in January, is the more likely to leave and hit out at boss Mickey Harte for substituting him against Dublin. Even if Brian had stayed on the field, however, it is likely he would have been powerless to prevent Dublin steamrolling the 2003, 05 and 08 All-Ireland champions. "I knew that Tyrone were coming to the end of their tether," claimed McGuigan. "You can’t go on forever and that Tyrone team have been together for a long time. I noticed that the defence was slowing up a lot and I dreaded the day that they would get a hammering. It came against Dublin. It made Dublin look a lot better than they are. "You’re always hoping against hope that the opposition won’t be good enough and maybe they’d get away with it. But the defence is a bit slow and we lost the midfield battle too." Tyrone did run up a big score on Roscommon to set up the clash with Dublin, though McGuigan was dismissive of this. "Roscommon — what have they done?" he asked. "It’s just one of those things. Mother Nature has crept up on Tyrone. It’s time for a rebuilding process." But McGuigan doesn’t see much talent coming through. "The way I look at it, we need a lot of young players and I don’t know where they are," he continued. "I don’t see them in Tyrone to be honest with you." McGuigan fancies Donegal to beat an over-hyped Dublin team this weekend but argues the Ulster champions shouldn’t be in the semi-final at all. "Donegal shouldn’t be there," he maintained, referencing Tomás Connor’s quarter-final goal for Kildare which was ruled out for a heavily debated square ball infringement. "Kildare beat them in my eyes. How these umpires and referees — I have been preaching it for years — how do they get it wrong on a day like that? These Kildare players put in a massive effort. They got a perfectly good goal and it’s disallowed — that’s not on the cards at all." Asked if it ever happened to McGuigan as a player, he replied: "No, it didn’t. And if it did the referee or the umpire wouldn’t have been going home!" Read more: www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/battered-tyrone-need-to-be-rebuilt-declares-mcguigan-165311.html#ixzz1W1oUMt7e
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Aug 25, 2011 9:32:31 GMT
Battered Tyrone need to be rebuilt, declares McGuigan by Paul Keane Thursday, August 25, 2011 FORMER All Star Frank McGuigan claims he foresaw Tyrone’s hammering by Dublin, insisting the once mighty Red Hands need a major overhaul. The Tyrone great typically pulled no punches in his assessment of the current team’s fortunes, saying "Mother Nature has crept up" on them. What’s most worrying is McGuigan’s admission that his two sons, Tyrone forwards Brian and Tommy, may retire with a host of other veterans over the winter. He said Brian, 32 in January, is the more likely to leave and hit out at boss Mickey Harte for substituting him against Dublin. Even if Brian had stayed on the field, however, it is likely he would have been powerless to prevent Dublin steamrolling the 2003, 05 and 08 All-Ireland champions. "I knew that Tyrone were coming to the end of their tether," claimed McGuigan. "You can’t go on forever and that Tyrone team have been together for a long time. I noticed that the defence was slowing up a lot and I dreaded the day that they would get a hammering. It came against Dublin. It made Dublin look a lot better than they are. "You’re always hoping against hope that the opposition won’t be good enough and maybe they’d get away with it. But the defence is a bit slow and we lost the midfield battle too." Tyrone did run up a big score on Roscommon to set up the clash with Dublin, though McGuigan was dismissive of this. "Roscommon — what have they done?" he asked. "It’s just one of those things. Mother Nature has crept up on Tyrone. It’s time for a rebuilding process." But McGuigan doesn’t see much talent coming through. "The way I look at it, we need a lot of young players and I don’t know where they are," he continued. "I don’t see them in Tyrone to be honest with you." McGuigan fancies Donegal to beat an over-hyped Dublin team this weekend but argues the Ulster champions shouldn’t be in the semi-final at all. "Donegal shouldn’t be there," he maintained, referencing Tomás Connor’s quarter-final goal for Kildare which was ruled out for a heavily debated square ball infringement. "Kildare beat them in my eyes. How these umpires and referees — I have been preaching it for years — how do they get it wrong on a day like that? These Kildare players put in a massive effort. They got a perfectly good goal and it’s disallowed — that’s not on the cards at all." Asked if it ever happened to McGuigan as a player, he replied: "No, it didn’t. And if it did the referee or the umpire wouldn’t have been going home!" Read more: www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/battered-tyrone-need-to-be-rebuilt-declares-mcguigan-165311.html#ixzz1W1oUMt7eCharming. Liked him alot as a player though. And his sons are class players. McQuillan - this man has given two incredibly bad performances (for Dublin) in last year's semi and the Tyrone game this year. He gave Tyrone 36 frees and Dublin 12, in a clean match where Dublin had the ball most of the time. We might as well not bother trying to make the final.
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Post by ardfertnarrie on Aug 25, 2011 11:13:50 GMT
Deegan is brutal. The man shouldn't be left near Croke Park.
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Post by delorean on Aug 25, 2011 12:17:21 GMT
McQuillan - this man has given two incredibly bad performances (for Dublin) in last year's semi and the Tyrone game this year What happened in last year's semi?
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Post by glengael on Aug 25, 2011 12:34:47 GMT
McQuillan - this man has given two incredibly bad performances (for Dublin) in last year's semi and the Tyrone game this year What happened in last year's semi? I think Cork won, delorean but I could be wrong.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Aug 25, 2011 13:14:05 GMT
McQuillan - this man has given two incredibly bad performances (for Dublin) in last year's semi and the Tyrone game this year What happened in last year's semi? Two terrible decisions by the linesman and a few very soft frees in the closing period of the game. But sure we're used to that sort of thing by now, obviously not cute enough. I see where the Northern media all came out with the usual propoganda after the Tyrone game, like "Dublin are a cynical team". They know what they're at, all rowing in behind the Ulster team. And McGuinness is no doubt at the least in support of that sort of mind-game and tactic of putting pressure on the ref.
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Post by Johnnyb on Aug 25, 2011 14:24:25 GMT
Dublin by 4+
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Post by kaiser on Aug 25, 2011 14:55:45 GMT
Dublin by 6.
Dublin 1-14 Donegal 1-8
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Post by Jigz84 on Aug 25, 2011 15:17:42 GMT
Dublin by 7 points.
Dublin 1-15 Donegal 0-11
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Post by nicoshea on Aug 25, 2011 15:42:36 GMT
Donegal by 2
Dublin 1-15 Donegal 2-14
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 25, 2011 15:54:08 GMT
Dublin getting 15 or 16 scores against that Donegal defence might be a big ask.
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Post by buck02 on Aug 25, 2011 17:16:26 GMT
I think that if Dublin lose this game its likely to be very much due to their mental preparation of lack thereof.
By this I mean that we know that Donegal will pack the defence. Dublins forwards will be forced to shoot under a lot of pressure and from awkward angles, during the first 50 minutes especially.
Dublin have to have the patience to keep playing and keep doing what they should be doing until the 73rd, 74th, 75th minute. Dont panic.
The Dublin crowd are likely to get extremely impatient if things arent going their way and scores arent raining in on the Donegal goal. The crowd are likely to get extremely nervous if the game is tight with 5 minutes to go.
But Dublin have to be ready for that and be ready to be able to see this game through. If they are ready to face up to that pressure they will come through. If they arent - they wont.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 25, 2011 17:17:05 GMT
Dublin getting 15 or 16 scores against that Donegal defence might be a big ask. This semi final and the final will be won by the side that can slot over points from play from 40- 50 yards from play.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Aug 25, 2011 20:29:12 GMT
Dublin getting 15 or 16 scores against that Donegal defence might be a big ask. This semi final and the final will be won by the side that can slot over points from play from 40- 50 yards from play. I don't know Mick, as many points come from close in, more I'd say in fact. To me it's the teams that can work the hard yards and get men somehow into space to get any sort of score, that wiun the games
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 26, 2011 9:24:37 GMT
irishtimes.com - Last Updated: Friday, August 26, 2011, 09:15Gilroy sees no reason to change GAA : Dublin manager Pat Gilroy has name an unchanged side ahead of the All-Ireland semi-final clash with Donegal on Sunday.
Gilroy saw enough in the seven-point win over Mickey Harte's Tyrone team in the quarter-final to keep faith with the starting XV for the visit of the Ulster champions.
It will mean another chance to shine for the midfield combination of Denis Bastick and Michael Darragh Macauley, while Barry Cahill will continue at centre forward, with Dairmuid Connolly at full forward flanked by the Brogan brothers.
Dublin (SF v Donegal): S Cluxton; C O’Sullivan, R O’Carroll, M Fitzsimons; J McCarthy, G Brennan, K Nolan; D Bastick, MD Macauley; P Flynn, B Cahill, B Cullen; A Brogan, D Connolly, B Brogan.
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Post by Jo90 on Aug 26, 2011 10:55:52 GMT
;D
Donegal team named:
P Durcan;
P McGrath, N McGee, F McGlynn; A Thompson, K Lacey, K Cassidy; R Kavanagh, N Gallagher; M McHugh, M Hegarty, R Bradley; P McBrearty,
M Murphy,
C McFadden.
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Post by Dermot on Aug 26, 2011 11:23:26 GMT
;D Donegal team named: P Durcan; P McGrath, N McGee, F McGlynn; A Thompson, K Lacey, K Cassidy; R Kavanagh, N Gallagher; M McHugh, M Hegarty, R Bradley; P McBrearty, M Murphy, C McFadden. lol ... Thats about right !!
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Post by Dermot on Aug 26, 2011 11:25:31 GMT
Actually I think it will be more like
P Durcan; P McGrath, N McGee, F McGlynn; A Thompson, K Lacey, K Cassidy; R Kavanagh, N Gallagher; M McHugh, M Hegarty, R Bradley; P McBrearty, C McFadden.
M Murphy.
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