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Post by lár na páirce on Nov 17, 2011 21:54:13 GMT
Its just a *ing crest. It carries a lot more symbolism than they old one. Stop bloody moaning the lot of ye, you'd know we're heading into the winter... Jesus,The thread is about the new crest,It's where people can voice their opinions,Not everyone must agree with you !! I am indifferent about it,I think we all love the old one but the new one will grow on me. |
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Nov 17, 2011 22:19:44 GMT
Its just a *ing crest. It carries a lot more symbolism than they old one. Stop bloody moaning the lot of ye, you'd know we're heading into the winter... Jesus,The thread is about the new crest,It's where people can voice their opinions,Not everyone must agree with you !! I am indifferent about it,I think we all love the old one but the new one will grow on me. That's kind of my point; it's just a crest (I put in the symbolism bit if anyone said that the crest is important for these kind of reasons.). |
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 17, 2011 22:24:33 GMT
The final submission was accepted by the Kerry County Board and comprised of:
A twisted circular band, broken at the four points
Top: Three gold crowns of Kerry the Kingdom
Left: Footballer, in honour of Kerry's football All-Ireland titles
Right: Hurler, in honour of Kerry's one hurling All-Ireland title
Bottom: Handballer, in honour of Kerry's handball All-Ireland titles.
All in gold silhouette on a green background.
The dominant and central part of the crest comprises of The Wolfhound, The Harp and Round Tower; these stand for:
The Round Tower - our heritage, the Tower of Rattoo.
The Harp - our traditional music, with nine strings for the nine baronies of Kerry.
The Wolfhound - the pride and heart of the people of Kerry since the time Cuchulainn travelled "The Kerry Way" to Tír na nÓg.
The background consists of the Oakwoods of Killarney, the outline of Carrantouhill and an outline of Kerry's coastline with the word "Ciarraí" superimposed on the map, and last but not least four shamrock leaves at the bottom of the centre, which are also part of the Kerry Senior Championship medals. The shamrocks are to be found on the main gates to the Austin Stack Park, these gates were made in 1944 and hung on the main archway into the Austin Stack Park. The archway was demolished in the 1970's.
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 17, 2011 22:26:40 GMT
A lot of symbolism there.
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Post by Kingdomson on Nov 17, 2011 22:31:53 GMT
Its just a *ing crest. It carries a lot more symbolism than they old one. Stop bloody moaning the lot of ye, you'd know we're heading into the winter... Jesus,The thread is about the new crest,It's where people can voice their opinions,Not everyone must agree with you !! I am indifferent about it,I think we all love the old one but the new one will grow on me. Same as above but moreover, will it prove to be a lucky crest? If we win the All Ireland next year - I'll start to like it even more. |
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Post by abhaindhu on Nov 17, 2011 22:58:39 GMT
Personally, I wouldnt like it all
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Post by mountainy_man on Nov 17, 2011 23:12:18 GMT
Lots of wise people on this forum. I'm sure those slating the design have some fantastic ideas of their own  |
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Post by mitchelsontour on Nov 17, 2011 23:17:07 GMT
If only we were asked.................................
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Post by An Ciarraíoch Taistealaíoch on Nov 18, 2011 1:23:15 GMT
Lots of wise people on this forum. I'm sure those slating the design have some fantastic ideas of their own good point,this issue was raised back in April, very few commented on it (btw not referring to you, as I'm sure you know) now that it's changed its a raging hot issue someone mentioned the "coastal bird" earlier,the world's 2nd largest gannet colony is out on Skellig Beag as to the fern and the All Blacks there're tree ferns, bout 2m tall, (name escapes me) in the Sheen Falls and Derreen Gardens undecided myself as to the crest,was a big fan of the old one,I guess (like a rash) it could grow on me |
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Post by An Ciarraíoch Taistealaíoch on Nov 18, 2011 1:30:05 GMT
If only we were asked................................. obviously I'm not implying that jigz84 is the official spokesperson for the Kerry County board but maybe you should have voiced your opinions back in April?  Can't help that 2 of my possible additions have been incorporated into the new crest (albeit out of 13 that I mentioned) |
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Post by An Ciarraíoch Taistealaíoch on Nov 18, 2011 1:44:35 GMT
* Storm Petrel
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Post by Johnnyb on Nov 18, 2011 6:27:11 GMT
I dont mind it - the fern is very much in the vein of the All Blacks though, and the crest itself does have a "rugby" look to it, but all in all its ok.
My first post since Sept. Still cant think about it. A new crest could be just the tonic - heres hoping we Christen it well next season.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Nov 18, 2011 7:59:46 GMT
Crests don't win Ireland I feel safe to say.
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Post by Jigz84 on Nov 18, 2011 9:46:25 GMT
haha lads I can assure ye I have nothing to do with the County Board!!! Personally I think the main elements and symbolism of the new crest is fine but there is zero reference to our GAA tradition...............this is, afterall, supposed to be a GAA crest. Also maybe if the colour scheme was swapped around, as in, I think the Gold background is too dominant, possibly should be green and then the other images in gold.
Just something new we have to get used to but I much prefer the old one.
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Post by Jigz84 on Nov 18, 2011 9:50:05 GMT
If only we were asked................................. obviously I'm not implying that jigz84 is the official spokesperson for the Kerry County board but maybe you should have voiced your opinions back in April? Can't help that 2 of my possible additions have been incorporated into the new crest (albeit out of 13 that I mentioned) And why may I ask should I have voiced my opinion back in April??!! I have no idea about designing a crest but there are plenty of people on this forum who think they know it all, and they decided to stay quiet on this topic until the crest actually changed!!!!!! Don't be so paranoid. |
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Post by Johnnyb on Nov 18, 2011 10:11:29 GMT
Crests don't win Ireland I feel safe to say. Clearly! That said, the badge on the chest can be a powerful motivator. My post was simply in reference to moving on. Sept broke me. |
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Post by glengael on Nov 18, 2011 10:47:37 GMT
Crests don't win Ireland I feel safe to say. Clearly! That said, the badge on the chest can be a powerful motivator. My post was simply in reference to moving on. Sept broke me. Are you getting any help Johnnyb with the post Sept trauma ? I have tried to just blank the game from my mind completely. That approach worked for about 25 years after the 1982 final so I see no reason why it won't work again.  Back to the crest, I'm not hugely impressed but I am sure we'll get used to it. My jersey for 2012 will still be the same as I've had for many years so it will have the old crest. |
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Post by hurlingman on Nov 18, 2011 10:51:23 GMT
Conway satisfied with new Kerry crest
18 November 2011
Kerry chairman Jerome Conway is pleased with Kerry's new crest which was unveiled yesterday, despite a mixed reaction to it from supporters.
Conway said his board was left with no choice but to redesign the crest as it didn't have copyright for the old crest.
"Unfortunately we did not own our crest and therefore could not register it and that enables individuals and companies to use it without recourse to the county board," he said in the Irish Times.
"So we thought it would be better if we designed a new crest so, having spoken to the design gang here in Tralee, we asked them to design a new crest, keeping the traditional look while at the same time coming up with a new look, and I think this new crest has a clean, sharp and contemporary look about it.
"We have it registered and we are moving forward with this and people from now on will require permission from the county board before they can use it.
"I suppose from a commercial point of view, there will be some monies for the board to be made, particularly around All-Ireland time. I don't have an estimate on how much it will generate, but as the time goes on, it could be quite substantial, as we will have our own shop in the proposed new Kerry GAA museum in Killarney."
The bit at the end really tells you why they changed it doesn't it?
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Post by dart on Nov 18, 2011 11:08:49 GMT
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Post by Johnnyb on Nov 18, 2011 16:29:00 GMT
Clearly! That said, the badge on the chest can be a powerful motivator. My post was simply in reference to moving on. Sept broke me. Are you getting any help Johnnyb with the post Sept trauma ? I have tried to just blank the game from my mind completely. That approach worked for about 25 years after the 1982 final so I see no reason why it won't work again. Back to the crest, I'm not hugely impressed but I am sure we'll get used to it. My jersey for 2012 will still be the same as I've had for many years so it will have the old crest. Ha ha..I've managed to blank most of that day out of mind. Repression seems the only solution, but often, just at the point of waking, my mental defences are weakened...and it all comes flooding back. I've moved another continent since the final, but distance seems no solace. 2012 - Sacred to the Mayans, and lets hope, to Kerrymen... |
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Post by Aodhan on Nov 18, 2011 16:47:03 GMT
They could have kept the animal out of it.
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Post by Corner Back on Nov 18, 2011 18:49:29 GMT
They could have kept the animal out of it. and the bit of grass... I mean fern |
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 18, 2011 19:18:08 GMT
The only thing I would do is add in a little handshake to signify the part played by the Kerry jersey in healing the wounds of the civil war. Joe Barretts part in handing the captaincy to Con Brosnan was the most potent symbol . The Kerry jersey didnt start the civil war but it sure as hell helped to heal the wounds. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Barrett |
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Post by glengael on Nov 18, 2011 21:02:56 GMT
Views are very mixed from talking to a few people about this today.
Fine picture of Marc at the launch in today's Times.
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Post by glengael on Nov 19, 2011 13:33:46 GMT
Kerry fans angry over crest change
By John O’Mahony
SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 19, 2011
ANGRY Kerry supporters have been hugely vocal in their criticism of the county’s new official GAA crest. One fan has even set up an online petition to demand the return of the former crest.
Kerry County Board officers have stressed the change was made because they did not have copyright for the previous motif.
Chairman Jerome Conway said the board could not legally register the older badge and that enabled other individuals and companies to use it for commercial reasons. The chairman acknowledged that the change will result in a cash windfall for the county board in terms of merchandise sales but he was unable to estimate just how much it is likely to generate.
"As the time goes on, it could be quite substantial as we will have our own shop in the proposed new Kerry GAA museum in Killarney," Mr Conway said.
Board press officer Maureen O’Shea said official merchandise on sale in the existing Kerry GAA shop was not selling well because it was not unique to the county board and other companies were cashing in on the success of county teams. The new crest is aimed at attracting a whole new generation of Kerry supporters and it will be a major boost for the sale of new-look green and gold jerseys, hoodies, sports bags and other merchandise, particularly in the lead-up to Christmas.
But the official Kerry GAA Facebook page and other fans’ forums who are very vocal in their criticism of the new emblem. Dozens of fans have slated the design, imagery and colours used and many are calling for the reintroduction of the former crest which had been in use for 23 years.
One disgruntled supporter posted a message on supporters’ website urging people to sign a petition objecting to the new crest.
"It’s time that the people of Kerry took a stand. We will not stop until the county board changes it back to the old one that has become synonymous with the proud history and tradition of the GAA," he wrote.
The new crest, which will feature on all inter-county jerseys and merchandise from 2012, features imagery of St Brendan’s Voyage, red deer which are native to Killarney, the landmark Skellig Michael heritage site and woodland fern found on Kerry’s mountains and valleys.
The GAA now owns copyright of the new crest and outside parties will have to secure written permission to use it for any reason.
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Post by An Ciarraíoch Taistealaíoch on Nov 19, 2011 16:42:06 GMT
obviously I'm not implying that jigz84 is the official spokesperson for the Kerry County board but maybe you should have voiced your opinions back in April? Can't help that 2 of my possible additions have been incorporated into the new crest (albeit out of 13 that I mentioned) And why may I ask should I have voiced my opinion back in April??!! I have no idea about designing a crest but there are plenty of people on this forum who think they know it all, and they decided to stay quiet on this topic until the crest actually changed!!!!!! Don't be so paranoid. sorry jigz, that was directed at whoever was complaining that they weren't asked not you |
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Post by ballynamona on Nov 19, 2011 19:06:23 GMT
The only thing I would do is add in a little handshake to signify the part played by the Kerry jersey in healing the wounds of the civil war. Joe Barretts part in handing the captaincy to Con Brosnan was the most potent symbol . The Kerry jersey didnt start the civil war but it sure as hell helped to heal the wounds. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_BarrettVery good suggestion. That is one of the most interesting aspects of the Kerry football story. This crest hasn't grown on me. Fair enough there are ferns in Kerry, but that's New Zealand's symbol and it looks odd on the Kerry crest. Also, the deer looks quite like what is on the Munster rugby jersey. If they wanted Kerry flora, what about the fuchsia? The old crest was very detailed but uncluttered. |
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Post by blueisthecolour on Nov 20, 2011 17:58:24 GMT
This may sound stupid but could they have modernised the old crest a bit differently instead of a completly different crest considering the mixed reaction to the new crest?..
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Post by ballynamona on Nov 20, 2011 18:04:40 GMT
This may sound stupid but could they have modernised the old crest a bit differently instead of a completly different crest considering the mixed reaction to the new crest?.. I would have thought they could have modified it slightly to copyright it. Arsenal turned their cannon the other way around, hardly a radical re-design. |
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Post by blueisthecolour on Nov 20, 2011 18:10:29 GMT
I was thinking of Arsenal too. The old crest should not be changed. I just dont like it.
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