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Post by observer on Jul 2, 2010 23:41:56 GMT
Great job by Crokes , I watched some games last year . I don't think they will win it out they are without Ambrose o' Donovan , Jamie Doolan , David Moloney and I think James Cahillane they will be missed . My club the Rock had a good win Friday night against Ardfert . Barry Shanahan , Ferghal McNamara , Denis McElligott , Daniel Bohane , TJ Hogan , Kieran Donaghy , Wayne Gutherie , Shane Carroll , Mikey Collins, David Mannix were best . Are u bein serious....denis mcelligott is in boston and barry shan is in san fran!!! PLEASE dont be writin up facts when there 100% wrong my friend!!!! Barry Shanahan played that match - went to San Fran the following Monday.
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Post by fiorgael on Jul 8, 2010 13:44:02 GMT
EAST KERRY HAVE PULLED OUT OF COUNTY CHAMPIOSHIP
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Post by smokeyjoe on Jul 8, 2010 14:12:09 GMT
Impressive use of capitals there. Any reason why? Or where you heard it? Or anything at all?
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Post by shannonsider on Jul 8, 2010 14:23:36 GMT
Lads,just saw on paddypower that stacks are 8/11 to beat Rahillys this weekend...What is this based on, have the naries a lot of injuries or something cos if not it looks like Naries at 5/4 are worth a punt no? I mean Rahillys have been going well in Div 1 and Stacks are mid table in Div 2. I know they'll rise themselves for c/ship especially against Strand Road,but still..
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Post by gwan on Jul 8, 2010 15:05:35 GMT
Was thinking along very similar lines to Shannonsider. I expect this to be a close a game with strandroad maybe shading it so I can not see why the bookies would have them as the underdog. I think I will go for Strandroad in the club championship with Legion, Kenmare, St Kierans(provided East Kerry haven't pulled out), West kerry and Laune Rangers in the county championship. Works out at 20/1
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Post by shannonsider on Jul 8, 2010 15:26:22 GMT
Only one dodgy there gwan would be Legion id say. Bally/Foilmore might turn them over even if it is on in Killarney, the Stadium i assume. Kenmare,West Kerry, Laune, all should win alright.
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Post by himself on Jul 8, 2010 17:14:51 GMT
East Kerry Board Chairman Dermot Griffin has been on Kerry Radio to state that with Gneeveguilla making their players unavailable because of the proximity to the Intermediate semi-final, and also with injuries, they simply do not have the players to field a team. He concluded by wishing both Glenflesk and Gneeveguilla the best of luck in the intermediate. Sad day for East Kerry. Sad day for the County Championship, when the intermediate semi-final takes precedence
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Post by henrythe8th on Jul 8, 2010 22:43:13 GMT
himself from what i've been hearing around tralee over the last week east kerry didn't want to play this game because 3 of the 5 clubs involved are playing county championship next weekend. As far as i know Glenflesk were not involved from day 1 and Gneeveguailla lads have picked 2 or 3 injuries and are struggling for club champ. Listry fellas don't want to play either this weekend as they have novice semi next week. Respect has to be given to them as well as they may never get a chance to win a county title again. So i blame the county board for this mishap for forcing them to play this game. I just wonder if clubs in the St.Kierans division were involved in club champ would they have played, I don't think so, and I don't think any other divisional side would either. Fixture should be fixed for later date. Makes a joke of the greatess county championship in the Country.
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Post by buck02 on Jul 9, 2010 8:42:03 GMT
Legion v St Michaels Foilmore - Legion Kenmare v Ardfert - Ardfert Shannon Rangers v West Kerry - West Kerry Laune Rangers v Spa - Laune Rangers
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Post by buck02 on Jul 9, 2010 8:43:02 GMT
East Kerry Board Chairman Dermot Griffin has been on Kerry Radio to state that with Gneeveguilla making their players unavailable because of the proximity to the Intermediate semi-final, and also with injuries, they simply do not have the players to field a team. He concluded by wishing both Glenflesk and Gneeveguilla the best of luck in the intermediate. Sad day for East Kerry. Sad day for the County Championship, when the intermediate semi-final takes precedenceThe lure of playing in Croke Park as opposed to playing with a team that probably doesnt even train together?
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Post by KerryLad on Jul 9, 2010 9:40:45 GMT
Legion v St Michaels Foilmore - Bally Kenmare v Ardfert - Kenmare Shannon Rangers v West Kerry - West Kerry Laune Rangers v Spa - Laune Rangers Narries v Stacks - Narries
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Post by buck02 on Jul 9, 2010 9:46:17 GMT
Stacks and O Rahillys is in the semi final of the Club Championship.
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Post by KerryLad on Jul 9, 2010 9:57:44 GMT
Ya sorry I was just adding it to my picks for the weekend
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Post by kooky on Jul 9, 2010 16:18:17 GMT
Legion v St Michaels Foilmore - legion Kenmare v Ardfert - draw Shannon Rangers v West Kerry - West Kerry Laune Rangers v Spa - Laune Rangers
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Post by bambam on Jul 9, 2010 19:28:16 GMT
himself from what i've been hearing around tralee over the last week east kerry didn't want to play this game because 3 of the 5 clubs involved are playing county championship next weekend. As far as i know Glenflesk were not involved from day 1 and Gneeveguailla lads have picked 2 or 3 injuries and are struggling for club champ. Listry fellas don't want to play either this weekend as they have novice semi next week. Respect has to be given to them as well as they may never get a chance to win a county title again. So i blame the county board for this mishap for forcing them to play this game. I just wonder if clubs in the St.Kierans division were involved in club champ would they have played, I don't think so, and I don't think any other divisional side would either. Fixture should be fixed for later date. Makes a joke of the greatess county championship in the Country. know for a fact firies, fossa n listry players were all available for this weekend, nt sure bout glenflesk
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Post by kerryeye on Jul 9, 2010 23:17:05 GMT
Did the East Kerry board put in a request to have the game changed?I wouldnt blame the players for wanting to mind themselve for the club champs the weeks after.In all fairness to east Kerry they aren't going to win the Co Champ and I presume the players with Gneeveguilla and Glenflesk want to mind themselves for the more important games the week after.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 9, 2010 23:19:50 GMT
Interesting concept when we hear promptings of county players being wrapped up in cotton wool.
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Post by KerryLad on Jul 9, 2010 23:53:56 GMT
To be fair Kenmare are playing in the Junior semi final against the marys next weekend but they will all be turning out for the district side tomorrow against Ardfert. Why could the East Kerry lads not do the same? Surely its something deeper than this thats the problem
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Post by mossie on Jul 10, 2010 0:02:48 GMT
You raised a valid point regarding Kenmare. And remember many of the kenmare lads played intermediate championship hurling last week as well and have an intermediate hurling semi final on the way up in the next fortnight as well. heaven help the east kerry lads if they had hurling commitments as well. some of the kenmare dual players are minors too!!! The Divisonal teams are part of the tradition of the kerry football championship but i wonder are they dying a slow death. East kerry are far from the only team to be in a ragball rovers state in recent years. The lure of croke park for the intermediate and junior club teams is so big now. I d favour the abolition of the divisonal teams to be honest. With a bit of luck, a favourable draw club teams like Ardfert and Gneeviguilla could end up in a county senior final. They hold their own in the co league so anything is possible. To be fair Kenmare are playing in the Junior semi final against the marys next weekend but they will all be turning out for the district side tomorrow against Ardfert. Why could the East Kerry lads not do the same? Surely its something deeper than this thats the problem
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Post by shannonsider on Jul 10, 2010 6:36:15 GMT
You raised a valid point regarding Kenmare. And remember many of the kenmare lads played intermediate championship hurling last week as well and have an intermediate hurling semi final on the way up in the next fortnight as well. heaven help the east kerry lads if they had hurling commitments as well. some of the kenmare dual players are minors too!!! The Divisonal teams are part of the tradition of the kerry football championship but i wonder are they dying a slow death. East kerry are far from the only team to be in a ragball rovers state in recent years. The lure of croke park for the intermediate and junior club teams is so big now. I d favour the abolition of the divisonal teams to be honest. With a bit of luck, a favourable draw club teams like Ardfert and Gneeviguilla could end up in a county senior final. They hold their own in the co league so anything is possible. To be fair Kenmare are playing in the Junior semi final against the marys next weekend but they will all be turning out for the district side tomorrow against Ardfert. Why could the East Kerry lads not do the same? Surely its something deeper than this thats the problem You want to abolish South Kerry? Is that what ur telling me? Talk about throwing the baby out with the bath-water. The whole value of our c/ship as opposed to other counties is that ALL players get a chance to play in it. Would Declan O'Sullivan get to grace county finals with his presence without South Kerry? Would Tom Sullivan have got near the Kerry team without the 2 in a row East Kerry team (after not making the kerry minors) Just because some divisional teams,such as my own - Shannon Rgs, are a joke, doesnt mean the system is wrong. Its more down to organisation, player commitment and proper structures....aswell as ability of course in the various divisional teams. This situation with East Kerry is a bit sad alright and should be sorted out, but the system doesnt need to be radically overhauled. It serves its purpose very well and will continue to do so.
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Post by Laoch na hImeartha on Jul 10, 2010 9:10:17 GMT
I think you hit the nail on the head there Mossie. The chance to reach an all ireland final with your club, your friend and neighbours is much more appealing than the dead end you face if you win a county championship with a district.
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Post by mossie on Jul 10, 2010 12:41:48 GMT
Look Tom Sullivan had plenty of shop windows outside of the East Kerry Divisional team. Division one co league football, o'donoghue cup and the various championships won by Rathmore on their way to becoming a senior club. These are alll very competitive competitions covered by the local media and watched by the county selectors. I think the divsional system is unfair on senior clubs especially small clubs. Think of Ardfert. They beat all before and after them at junior and intermediate level and when they get to senior they must take on an amalganation of 7 or 8 of those junior and intermediate clubs when they play South Kerry where one of them clubs (St Marys) is 3 times as big a football club as Ardfert and not a dual club either. St Michaels Foilemore are another example. They could be competitive in an all club county championship. I have been at a fair few south kerry games in the county championship. Fine footballers but jesus some of the games, there would be more passion and excitement at a womens senior citizens outing. scarcely a flag or a cheer at the game. The same goes for other divisional teams. The divisional teams have served kerry football well in the past no doubt. However this was before the co leagues came along in the 1970s and have since increased in terms of importance and competiveness. The junior and intermediate championships have also taken on a new importance. That is all before one considers District Board leagues and championships. The divisional teams are gradually getting squeezed out. With so many club competitions now and so many competitive ones at that , its well near impossible for a divisional team to find time to prepare. You raised a valid point regarding Kenmare. And remember many of the kenmare lads played intermediate championship hurling last week as well and have an intermediate hurling semi final on the way up in the next fortnight as well. heaven help the east kerry lads if they had hurling commitments as well. some of the kenmare dual players are minors too!!! The Divisonal teams are part of the tradition of the kerry football championship but i wonder are they dying a slow death. East kerry are far from the only team to be in a ragball rovers state in recent years. The lure of croke park for the intermediate and junior club teams is so big now. I d favour the abolition of the divisonal teams to be honest. With a bit of luck, a favourable draw club teams like Ardfert and Gneeviguilla could end up in a county senior final. They hold their own in the co league so anything is possible. You want to abolish South Kerry? Is that what ur telling me? Talk about throwing the baby out with the bath-water. The whole value of our c/ship as opposed to other counties is that ALL players get a chance to play in it. Would Declan O'Sullivan get to grace county finals with his presence without South Kerry? Would Tom Sullivan have got near the Kerry team without the 2 in a row East Kerry team (after not making the kerry minors) Just because some divisional teams,such as my own - Shannon Rgs, are a joke, doesnt mean the system is wrong. Its more down to organisation, player commitment and proper structures....aswell as ability of course in the various divisional teams. This situation with East Kerry is a bit sad alright and should be sorted out, but the system doesnt need to be radically overhauled. It serves its purpose very well and will continue to do so.
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Post by popeye on Jul 10, 2010 12:56:39 GMT
Look Tom Sullivan had plenty of shop windows outside of the East Kerry Divisional team. Division one co league football, o'donoghue cup and the various championships won by Rathmore on their way to becoming a senior club. These are alll very competitive competitions covered by the local media and watched by the county selectors. I think the divsional system is unfair on senior clubs especially small clubs. Think of Ardfert. They beat all before and after them at junior and intermediate level and when they get to senior they must take on an amalganation of 7 or 8 of those junior and intermediate clubs when they play South Kerry where one of them clubs (St Marys) is 3 times as big a football club as Ardfert and not a dual club either. St Michaels Foilemore are another example. They could be competitive in an all club county championship. I have been at a fair few south kerry games in the county championship. Fine footballers but jesus some of the games, there would be more passion and excitement at a womens senior citizens outing. scarcely a flag or a cheer at the game. The same goes for other divisional teams. The divisional teams have served kerry football well in the past no doubt. However this was before the co leagues came along in the 1970s and have since increased in terms of importance and competiveness. The junior and intermediate championships have also taken on a new importance. That is all before one considers District Board leagues and championships. The divisional teams are gradually getting squeezed out. With so many club competitions now and so many competitive ones at that , its well near impossible for a divisional team to find time to prepare. You want to abolish South Kerry? Is that what ur telling me? Talk about throwing the baby out with the bath-water. The whole value of our c/ship as opposed to other counties is that ALL players get a chance to play in it. Would Declan O'Sullivan get to grace county finals with his presence without South Kerry? Would Tom Sullivan have got near the Kerry team without the 2 in a row East Kerry team (after not making the kerry minors) Just because some divisional teams,such as my own - Shannon Rgs, are a joke, doesnt mean the system is wrong. Its more down to organisation, player commitment and proper structures....aswell as ability of course in the various divisional teams. This situation with East Kerry is a bit sad alright and should be sorted out, but the system doesnt need to be radically overhauled. It serves its purpose very well and will continue to do so. Cant agree with you mossie the county SENIOR championship gives alot of novice,junior and intermediate club players the chance to test themselves at the highest level in kerry. the divisonal teams have players that may never get the chance to play against the top club teams due to there own clubs postion be it novice,junior or intermediate. The county senior championship offers these players a great opprtunity to play at the top level. Theres plenty to be said on both sides of this argument on disional teams but is there a better way to give the novice juinor or intermediate players a chance at senior level? Isnt the big problem with Dublin football at the mo is they tend to favour the players from senior clubs and overlook the others cause there not exposed??
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Post by KerryLad on Jul 10, 2010 14:53:24 GMT
I have to say I love the way we have the divisonal sides in Kerry are in Kerry.
Going thru the programme last year I think something like 17 of the panel for the All Ireland were from intermediate,junior and novice clubs. Being able to compete in the senior county championship gives the best players from these clubs a chance to compete at a higher level which in turn benefits Kerry as the step up isnt as big
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Post by exiled on Jul 10, 2010 18:36:25 GMT
I just cant believe what i'm reading as regards people wanting rid of the divisional sides. That is what makes Kerry football so strong as there are always players ready to make the step up. And the fact that its used from u14 means that all the players get to play against the best from a young age. Other counties such as Mayo are looking to the Kerry system to try and improve their set up. They just had their first divisional side this year and restricted it to Junior clubs only. 95% of their county senior players come from senior clubs and in Kerry its prob less than 50%. Success comes from having your best playing against the best from u14 up. Kerry clubs have the club championship. IF IT AINT BROKE DONT FIX IT.
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Post by popeye on Jul 10, 2010 18:56:03 GMT
I just cant believe what i'm reading as regards people wanting rid of the divisional sides. That is what makes Kerry football so strong as there are always players ready to make the step up. And the fact that its used from u14 means that all the players get to play against the best from a young age. Other counties such as Mayo are looking to the Kerry system to try and improve their set up. They just had their first divisional side this year and restricted it to Junior clubs only. 95% of their county senior players come from senior clubs and in Kerry its prob less than 50%. Success comes from having your best playing against the best from u14 up. Kerry clubs have the club championship. IF IT AINT BROKE DONT FIX IT. Totally agree with you exiled Success comes from having your best playing against the best from u14 up. Kerry clubs have the club championship. IF IT AINT BROKE DONT FIX IT
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Post by shannonsider on Jul 10, 2010 19:52:51 GMT
Mossie, firstly your point about South Kerry games. I dont know what you've been watching, but for me South Kerry have been great to watch the past few years...they've played great stuff and been involved in some epic games against Crokes for example...no shortage of passion either.
The Tom Sullivan point you've gone mad on altogether! O'donoghue cup? For god sake, the dogs in the street know that Tom got his shot with the U-21s and ultimately seniors because of his performances with East Kerry. 1996-fails to make Kerry minor panel...1997 - wins co. c/ship, 1998 - makes u-21 team, wins another co. c/ship. 1999 - Plays U-21 again, called into Kerry senior panel, wins 3rd Co. c/ship. The rest of my view,popeye has said it all in his posts. Its all about keeping the standard of the co. cship high as possible...thats why divisional teams are there. Some of them put in more effort than others,but overall the system works well. You mentioned Ardfert as an example. Fair enoguh,they earned their place in the senior grade,but lets be honest, they're nowhere near winning it...and yet you want to jettison Feale Rangers, South Kerry etc, who play a much higher standard of football, make it more attractive and a better competition in favour of them? You see what im getting at?
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Post by Crokerman on Jul 10, 2010 20:36:41 GMT
Legion 1-04 0-10 St. Michaels Foilmore A bizarre 1st half own goal left Legion down only a point at half time despite playing into a strong wind. But lack of any scoring power up front, mainly due to the absence of James O Donoghue, meant Legion could only score a single 2nd half point. Highlight of the game was the dual between Ronan O'Connor and Paudge O'Connor with the South Kerry man winning the 1st half but Paudge gave an exhibition of defending in the 2nd half despite an injury.
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Post by micklow on Jul 10, 2010 20:40:49 GMT
saw legion game myself, loss of donoghue killed them really no scoring threat! and paudge was marking jacks son eanna o connor for the game 'crokerman' i presume u just got mixed up? foilmore cud go far yet, 2 tough games under the belt
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Post by Laoch na hImeartha on Jul 10, 2010 21:50:07 GMT
Well impressed will Podge O'Connor & Lyne, kept a very good full forward line quiet most of the game
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