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Post by Joxer on Sept 6, 2005 14:28:18 GMT
Aye, tis desperate times alright, we don't even celebrate winning semi-finals like they do...ah, we have so much to learn.We must concentrate and learn lest it might be more than 30yrs before we're back.
P.S. I like the ballyduff idea....makes good sense.
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Post by BIGMAC on Sept 6, 2005 17:33:56 GMT
Ah, Bigmac, ye've had 3 shots at it. This is a good opportunity to blood some U-12s as Kerryman says. Look, we'll be beat but we're building for the future,if you're good enough you're old enough and various other cliches I can't think of at the moment. Anyway, sure we'll turn up and do our best but expectations won't be high. We're coming up against the might of Ulster and we know it. As the Down captain of 1968, famously remarked," Kerry football is dead"...we're just managing to keep the pulse going but its not getting any easier. well i did offer.now dont go gettin ur hopes up of a win the u12s could well be ur best chance, musgy would'nt dare kick a child now would he
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Post by kerryman on Sept 7, 2005 8:42:24 GMT
Finally got round to watching the Armagh Tyrone game last night. The amount of space given to the half back lines as the ran out the pitch was huge..but as soon as they hit the opposition half back line it was like a brick wall. A great match for defending and consequently attack was completely snuffed out. Armaghs trick of bypassing the half backs with the high ball failed miserably most of the time despite a big full forward line.
The only way I can think of getting through this defence is to shore up midfield and have 4 or 5 lads running forward with the one ball quick passing between them. One of them is bound to have enough space to break the Tyrone half back line...probably Brosnan and Declan O Sullivan as the men with most strength and pace.
Twill be tough. In Jack we trust.
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Post by phpearse on Sept 7, 2005 9:28:45 GMT
Lads you couldn't expect my first post to anything but complementary. Bit like going into a strangers house and saying that you thought the house smelt a bit funny. You have to visit a few times before you start to point out things you don't like about the house.
Every match will have its fovourites and no matter who you ask Kerry will be favourites for the final. Based on the fact that they are defending champions and have a fairly settled team. However yous are far from unbeatable. Some of the more established players such as Moynihan and Dara O'Se haven't looked as sharp this year. They aren't a weak link but the high paced game that both teams play may not suit these guys that well. I would expect a MF match up of Kirby and O'Se against Holmes and McGinley. For one of the few times this year I'd be expecting to break even at MF.
I wonder how the game will pan out. Both teams will have packed defenses with Dooher, McGinley and McGuigan back for Tyrone and Galvin, Brosnan and Hassett back for Kerry. Like any game the key is the amount and quality of ball going to the inside men. In this regard I think Tyrone hold the upper hand. While Cooper is undoubtedly the start of the Kerry forward line, yous will need Brosnan, and O'Sullivan to chip in with a score or two. Our FF line of possibly Mulligan, ONeill and Canavan is the more dangerous.
Can't see Sheehan starting the final. Will Dara O'Cinneide start or will OConnor hand the jersey to MFR? A bigger man like O'Cinneide would suit us better. I'm sure I'll be able to pick more holes in th kerry team between now and the match.
I take it most of you are heading for the Burlington for the Saturday evening. A real who's who's of the GAA world.
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Post by animal on Sept 7, 2005 12:30:05 GMT
"Lads you couldn't expect my first post to anything but complementary. Bit like going into a strangers house and saying that you thought the house smelt a bit funny. You have to visit a few times before you start to point out things you don't like about the house. " phpearse, You're starting to imply our house has a hint of an odour like a kitchen where cabbage is boiled on a daily basis. Anyway as to your predictions re-team selection we may well see a change in the full fwd line. Depending on training I'd expect MFR to come back in. Dara is a fine player who I've great respect for. However I feel Tyrone are exactly the type of opposition that he tends to struggle with. Don't worry abot Seamus and the pace of the game. Over 7 or 8 yards he's as fast as anyone. Dara was never a speed demon anyway. What's the story up there regarding injuries? How's McGinley? Do ye expect Holmes to be fit enough?
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Post by austinstacksabu on Sept 7, 2005 12:45:20 GMT
Dara's loss of form in full forward is a worry but consider this:
The team selections and scorers in the league game between Tyrone and Kerry in Killarney last April.
Diarmuid Murphy (Dingle) _ Mossie Lyons (Desmonds), Aidan O’Mahony (Rathmore), Tom O'Sullivan (Rathmore) _ Tomas Ó Sé (0-1) (An Ghaeltacht), Seamus Moynihan (Glenflesk), Brendan Guiney (Listowel Emmets) _ William Kirby (Austin Stacks), Eoin Brosnan (0-1) (Dr. Crokes) _ Liam Hassett (0-2) (Laune Rangers), Paddy Kelly (Ballylongford), Paul Galvin (Finuge) _ Declan Quill (0-2, 1f) (Kerins O'Rahillys), Dara Ó Cinnéide (1-5, 2f) (An Ghaeltacht), Colm Cooper (1-4) (Dr. Crokes)
Subs: Bryan Sheehan (0-1) (St. Marys) for Brosnan - inj 25min _ Mike Frank Russell (Laune Rangers) for Sheehan - yellow card 39min _ Ronan O'Connor (0-1) (St. Michaels/Foilmore) for Quill - 57min _ Eamon Fitzmaurice (Finuge) for Kelly - 64min _ Kieran Cremin (Dr. Crokes), Marc Ó Sé (An Ghaeltacht), Kieran Donaghy (Austin Stacks), Micheal Quirke (Kerins O'Rahillys)
Team - Tyrone:
J Devine; R McMenamin, C Lawn, S Sweeney; J McMahon, G Devlin (capt.), P Jordan; C Holmes, S Cavanagh (0-1); E McGinley (1-0), M Penrose (0-4, 2f), M Murphy; R Mellon (2-0, 1pen), O Mulligan (0-2f), M Coleman.
Subs: B Meenan for Coleman (48th min), C Gormley for McMahon (52nd min); P Donnelly for Mulligan (55th); M Harte (0-1) for Penrose (73rd).
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Post by tyronelad on Sept 7, 2005 12:51:47 GMT
havent been on this forum in a while since finuge beat us in the all-ireland club final. anyway I think that it will be a good final with the same sort of intensity as the tyrone v armagh game on sunday. there will be a lot of interesting battles but i would be worried about davy harte at right half back as i dont think he is good or strong enough for either paul galvin or liam hassett. think it could be a draw with Tyrone hopefully to win the replay. the harps are playing in the All-Ireland Junior Sevens the day before the final but i see that annascaul and not Finuge are in our group. Is this because finuge are preparing for the Intermediate final? Also I would hardly call Annascaul a junior team as they play in the top flight in Kerry. Are Finuge and Annascaul around the same sort of standard and does Genie Farrell still play for Annascaul?
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Post by phpearse on Sept 7, 2005 13:27:58 GMT
Think McGinley should be OK. He got a bag on the leg in a challenge with Bellew and is still a bit sore but with a bit of physio he should be back at training next week. Holmes has kept himself in good shape and has done a lot of pool work and has been out running for 4 weeks now. Can't see him being fully match fit but Harte may risk starting him. Another possibility is McGinley and Cavanagh in MF with Mellon out into the half forward line with Peter at 13. The County Board had thought about playing a full round of senior championship this weekend but thankfully that decision was knocked on the head. All about mental preparation at this stage, keeping players fresh and spinning stories to the media.
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Post by buck02 on Sept 7, 2005 15:08:35 GMT
Michael Monaghan of Kildare has been appointed the ref for the final as pointed out by StacksAbu.
Will have to check through my programmes to see which games he's reffed. Thanks god it aint GK anyway
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Post by kerryman on Sept 7, 2005 15:26:09 GMT
Holmes has kept himself in good shape and has done a lot of pool work Is that the same type of "pool work" the Roscommon players were at a few years back? p.s. I can't see Canavan starting in the final.
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Post by animal on Sept 7, 2005 15:39:56 GMT
Hope you're right Buck02. Hope you're right. Seems a bit early to appoint a ref if you ask me. Sentiments repeated Anyone but Kinneavy!!!!!1111
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Post by Walter Mitty on Sept 7, 2005 16:11:03 GMT
I d prefer Kinnevy to Bannon!!
Would have preferred Brina White were he still reffing..... Monaghan isnt made of the same stuff as McEneeney or White (I ve noticed him get intimidated by players once or twice)
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Post by Dermot on Sept 7, 2005 16:18:02 GMT
p.s. I can't see Canavan starting in the final. Possibly right there Kerryman, but you never know !..... depends how fit he is I suppose..................... Also, might want to use him again as an impact sub - Either to try and put things right or to lift the team again and close out the game !...................................... Nobody knows I suppose only Mickey Harte and Peter himself ! As for me - I'd have him on from the start if he's fit ! .......Why keep a man like that on the sideline - he still has the ability to do special things in a game and no matter who we play, Canavan's always the main watched man on the field - Even if he doesn't do it himself, he takes a lot of watching and his runs create a lot of space for the other players ! I hope/think he will be on from the start !
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Post by TheCritic on Sept 7, 2005 16:20:11 GMT
Who cares about the bleeding ref, its all down to the players on the field. Every ref has their good and bad days, lets just hope that Monaghan is on taken in by the likes of Cannavan diving as he does so so well.
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Post by greengoldfroggy on Sept 7, 2005 21:10:14 GMT
Guess who has a corporate ticket for the big day! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Enough gloating. ;D ;D As regards the referee we must all realise that a referee is never wrong. Should we wish to change the abitrary nature of our national sports in common with that of many other ball sports then the nature of these sports would be denuded forever. I challenge any forum member to tally the good and bad decisions that his or her favourites have received over a number of years and it is quite likely that the difference will be perhaps be measured from one to five. My point is that I wish to see the nation's finest having their contests referred to people and not as may happen in the future to machines of whatever sort. I am glad to see that we have members from other counties and I my most solemn wish is that such forums attract eople from all over Ireland. As regards the big match I wish that everybody could see the world's finest AMATEUR sporting contest (this is a football thread but I most undoubtedly include hurling in this qualification) and wonder how such amateurs can possibly rival with Australian professionals. Should Kerry fail in their endeavour then I for one shall be no less vocal in my love for Kerry but I will gladly sit and have a pint with Dermot because sort above all is a social cement. An Ciarraigh Abu
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Post by Pablo on Sept 8, 2005 6:24:49 GMT
Poor Dermot, if he has to listen to that kind of sh1te all night, no doubt you'll be drinking Heino.
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Post by BIGMAC on Sept 8, 2005 7:47:23 GMT
Poor Dermot, if he has to listen to that kind of sh1te all night, no doubt you'll be drinking Heino. i think if tyrone win dermot will suffer all fools gladly ;D ;D ;D
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Post by BIGMAC on Sept 8, 2005 7:52:50 GMT
not that i'm sayin there are fools in kerry!!!!!!!!!! never : ;D
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Post by kerrydoc on Sept 8, 2005 8:01:29 GMT
glad u clarified that one bigmac ;D ;D
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Post by austinstacksabu on Sept 8, 2005 8:35:04 GMT
I was thinking about that at the weekend alright when they ruined my 13/2 draw bet. Fair dues to Mickey, I've no idea how he has done it but he has managed to gel that team together very very well and has created an intense hunger for an All Ireland in that camp. The past 20 months have not been easy since Corman McAnallan passed away but he has done an amazing job since that post.
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Post by kingdomkerry on Sept 8, 2005 8:39:25 GMT
They have hunger all right but so will kerry after 2003.
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Post by lostinmayo on Sept 8, 2005 12:05:25 GMT
Dermot, I agree with you about Canavan, I think he should start and I think he may. I think Harte likes using him as an impact sub when players are getting tired (bit like some other great we all know). However, I think against Kerry, Harte will be worried about getting blown away by Kerry in the first half (not saying it will happen), happened in semi final and in final last year and to a certain extent 02 final, even though they collapsed. So, actually, that's what I am saying will happen, put my neck on the line, Canavan to be on the bench, come on at half time, but will be too late as Kerry will have too much of a lead....
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Post by TheCritic on Sept 8, 2005 12:29:28 GMT
It has to be a worry for Harte when his half forward will be dropping so far back in defence(blanket defence). This works against most countys as the half backs don't have much fire power. But against Kerry with the likes of the O'Se brothers an Seamus well able to take scores they could really hurt tyrone! There was alot of space left exposed in the semi and with our young guns like Aidan and Marc they could do a hell of a lot of damage. Still though, I hope they remember to kick the ball into the forwards fast. this is the key, ball travels faster than any man.
I think canavan will be kept on the bench to start with. I can't see Kerry racing into any kind of lead early on, it wil take a few goals to win this one. this won't be as tight as the Armagh V Tyrone game but a three point win will do it for us!
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Post by KevinT on Sept 8, 2005 16:12:17 GMT
Was just checking out the Tyrone message board on Hogan Stand . They are planning the route to take Sam "home " already and what stop offs they will make along the way! Hows that for confidence . Hope they keep on thinking they've it won already !
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Post by kerrydoc on Sept 8, 2005 16:20:10 GMT
that reminds me of the mayo crowd last year, they had a press conference arranged at knock airport on the monday. the fools, the fools...................
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Post by Dermot on Sept 8, 2005 16:48:12 GMT
Ah Lads !
A couple of posters on the Hogan site referred to which way the Cup would come home "IF" we won it ...... The theme of these posts originated by someone talking about going Via Eglish where Cormac MacAnallen was from !...........Personally "IF" we do win it I think it would be a great idea to do this !
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 8, 2005 17:48:56 GMT
Bigmac - Who will you be supporting?
I know a Derryman who wants a loan of a KERRY jersey for the day.
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Post by BIGMAC on Sept 8, 2005 18:08:52 GMT
Bigmac - Who will you be supporting? I know a Derryman who wants a loan of a KERRY jersey for the day. ah its divide and conquor the nordies then is it . difficult question all the same,tyrone are our greatest rivals and i would find it hard to support them but then again their from ulster and i allways go with my own province,kerry on the other hand have been a favorite team of mine and i'd usually support them if their in a final. so i'm goin to call it like i see it,kerry are bound to be favorites and will be the biggest challenge to tyrone this year but hand on heart and it pains me to say it i think tyrone will shade it by 2pts and double their sam tally .feck i wish it was us playin you lot,maybe next year
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Post by JOAN on Sept 8, 2005 22:31:31 GMT
wow bigmac you are in the minority with that statment, for an armagh man. There is not one Armagh man in New York that would shout for Tyrone. God knows I withnessed it on Sunday night when an all out brawl between the two sides broke out over a game of footabll and you think we are serious about the game!!!!!! Think your wrong on this call, feel its kerry by 4 Ciarrai Abu
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Post by bannerman on Sept 9, 2005 7:47:38 GMT
it could take more than one game to seperate these teams. a few observations if kerry are to win and i hope to god they do as it will finally get of that "handy all ireland" hoodoo off our back. 1)kerry can not under any circumstances getinvolved in a physical confrontation with tyrone 2)if kerry keep the game moving fast and keep play spread open to the wings they could really hurt tyrone 3)let marc or aidan pick up both mcguigan and dooher these two defenders are our most potent attackers. l 4)put seamus sitting in front of tyrone full foward line. i know that negative but do we want sam or what. 5)let the ball in fast to gooch and whoever else in full foward line, hopefully o cinneide but if not mike frank. i know it a risk but both gooch and mike frank are more than capable of dealing with watever frees come their way during course of game. 6)dont be hitting in big 50 50 balls to inside fowards that will be bread and butter to tyrone and they will clean up breaks all day 7)paul galvin and liam hassett need to be like scvangers around midfield picking up all breaks and need to cover every blade of grass in croker
my prediction kerry to win by 3 points but it might take a replay up ciarrai
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