All Ireland Senior Football Final: Tyrone v Kerry

[mozzy]

So can we finally out this thorn in our side to rest? or are they just too good all over the field for us?

Thoughts?

[dabomber]

i think dat murphy sud vary his kick outs , there was 1 game were he mixed it well and worked , but hasn't used it since

[snap24]

Time to lay some ghosts to rest... that clip of cinneide, brosnan and dara being hounded in the semi 2003 has been running through my head all evening... the bearded ones must pay!!!!

[thehighfield]

Welcome back Darragh and Paul . . .woo hoo!!!!

[sullyschoice]

Bring it on.

[smaguire]

Well this kerry team in 08, certainly have the games under their belt, which should stand to em.
Maybe tyrone didnt have it too tough against Dublin and Wexford. ??

Thoughts

[thekingdom]

I'm delighted Tyrone are through. We owe them for 2003 and 2005. In '03 we were beaten by the team with a more "effective" style of "football". In '05 we were simply beaten by a better team. This time will be different. Darragh O Se has a midfield partner to rely (Scanlon was outstanding again today) and we have 2 target men which we didnt have in '05. The only way to beat tyrone is to mix it long and short. I can't wait to see McMenamin have a cut of Tommy Walsh - he won't know what hit him.

[Seoirse Ui Duic]

Tyrone had an easy QF and SF and are now in for a hiding. If Kerry play like they played today Tyrone will be out of the game by half-time.

[mozzy]

Aug 31, 2008 19:32:03 GMT Seoirse Ui Duic said:

Tyrone had an easy QF and SF and are now in for a hiding. If Kerry play like they played today Tyrone will be out of the game by half-time.

can you really count Tyrone out at any time - they will fight to the death and are brilliant to watch in full flight plus we STILL have some serious work to do in the backs - I rememver an old Irish saying " You can't bolt the door with a boiled carrot" and right now I feel our back door is wide open - would someone shut it please.........

[thekingdom]

Agree with last poster - they havent been tested yet. Sean Cavanagh was awesome today though - but physically the Wexford boys were not up to it. They couldnt break out of any tackles and panicked anytime 2 tyrone players came near them.

[tyroneperson]

Exciting prospect, isn't it? We've done well to get to the final, but I'm sure Harte isn't thinking like that. Who knows what could happen on the day.

[Seoirse Ui Duic]

come on guys are you for or against Kerry. Kerry had their toughest game of the year but came back from far behind. Cork are much more more dangerous than Tyrone were today. Wexford could have beat them which shows me we can easily beat them too. Just show Cork some respect!

[mozzy]

Aug 31, 2008 19:43:02 GMT Seoirse Ui Duic said:

come on guys are you for or against Kerry. Kerry had their toughest game of the year but came back from far behind. Cork are much more more dangerous than Tyrone were today. Wexford could have beat them which shows me we can easily beat them too. Just show Cork some respect!

Trusr me I respect Cork but I do not beleve Cork have the same footballing skills as Tyrone - man for man they were moving so fast and kicking points from all over the park - you can blame poor defense but they still have to know them over - look how bad Cork were in the first five mins - if Tyrone had that much possession - they will nail us to the walll.... plus Harte - he has some brain and will be up to all types of schemes to beat us ..

sorry to disagree but I believe Tyrone are the real deal no matter who they have had to play

[Seoirse Ui Duic]

have to disagree. Cork are the number two county in Ireland and Tyrone only performed well since Wexford let them. When Wexford got their act together Tyrone almost lost.
We'll still have to watch out but after today's final I expect kerry to win by 6.

[Control]

Hi all,

With the pairing for the All Ireland senior football final, Tyrone versus Kerry, now known, there will be much heated debate.

These two sides have contested generation defining matches, in how teams approach and play football. There has been much discussion over the positives and negatives of this, and on occasion, it has led to wild and dangerous posts being made here on the website.

For the next few weeks, the forum will see an enormous volume of traffic, and the control team won't have the time to edit dubious / slightly dangerous posts.

It's simple. Keep it clean, keep it fair, keep it accurate, keep it honest. Cursing, unfounded rumours, wild stories of hate etc will be immediately deleted, and we won't have time to explain why either.

Keep to the rules and we'll enjoy the build up to the final of the decade.

Control.

[mozzy]

Aug 31, 2008 19:54:41 GMT Seoirse Ui Duic said:

have to disagree. Cork are the number two county in Ireland and Tyrone only performed well since Wexford let them. When Wexford got their act together Tyrone almost lost.
We'll still have to watch out but after today's final I expect kerry to win by 6.

I hope you win this disagreement then because that would be fantastic and worth travelling the 5k + to see it

[ahoythere]

Aug 31, 2008 19:43:02 GMT Seoirse Ui Duic said:

come on guys are you for or against Kerry. Kerry had their toughest game of the year but came back from far behind. Cork are much more more dangerous than Tyrone were today. Wexford could have beat them which shows me we can easily beat them too. Just show Cork some respect!

You're a gas man. I think your profile picture is enough motivation for the Tyrone team to go out and hammer the living stuffing out of Kerry come September 21st. Don't think there is a man woman or child outside of Kerry who would like to see Galvin lifting Sam over his head. And this notion that Cork are a better team than Tyrone is laughable.

If I was a Kerryman I'd be very worried. This is a Tyrone team that has wracked up 3-14 and 23 points in its last two games. And now they are going to be up against one of the leakiest defences in the country this year (1-15, 3-8, 1-16, 2-13 scored against them already this year), I think this Tyrone team will wreak havoc against Kerry.

But for me it all comes down to the Midfield battleground. Whichever team wins more ball around the middle will ultimately win the game. Both sets of forwards (and Tyrones halfbacks) are capable of winning any match given the right ball. But for me Tyrone can still win it if they concede more possession, more so than Kerry, given the quality of the Tyrone full back line. Bar the Lyng goal today, the Wexford full forward line didn't get a sniff today.

So I'm going to stick my neck out and say Tyrone to win by 5 points.

[austinstacksabu]

Some three weeks ahead. I may as well tell the boss there'll be nowt done for a while around my neck of the woods.

Much to ponder - Tyrone looked very weak at times under the high ball in the full back line, and Coll Holmes was absolutely destroyed in midfield and couldn't keep up with anybody who ran at him at all. Suspect Hughes to start in three weeks time.

Cavanagh looked in a lot of pain but I hope he starts. And I'd start Griffin on him.

Mr. Dooher falling down on the Wexford 21 yard line just before half time when his Wexford defender was more than a foot away was laughable, but the ref laughed too and kept the play going.

There are weaknesses in both teams. Tyrone's biggest strength is the speed of their game - not a hope Paul Galvin could come straight up to that pace after two games in a year.

Much to ponder. Sleepless weeks ahead.

[3inarow]

i seriously cant wait for this one, this is GAA as good as it gets. We owe these a good beating and im totally confident of a win. Like the Kingdom said i cant wait to see Mcmenamin try what he did to a young Gooch on a young tough Tommy Walsh. If its in your face football Tyrone like to play well Kerry can do both in your face football and good complete football. Alot of people didnt like what O' Mahoney and Galvin did and gave out about them and their style but it will be these boys who will have us roaring from the stands when Tyrone try their puke football and Mahoney bursts his way out knocking 3 men on his way out. What a Pup !!! Dara will be back for maybe but hopefully not his last game and will lord it at midfield. "Dara is gone up for the ball he'll be down in a minute"
But really what i cant wait to see is the Tyrone boys trying to stop a fella who, has trained / played for this game all his life, who loves a game where the opposition like a physical game, a fella who knows he let his whole county down but knows what he has to do to fix it all up again and earn his medal and to lift ol Sam, a fella who has 3 or 4 championship games built up inside him that he cant wait to get out in 70 minutes,
i would'nt like to be the guy with the ball and see that guy coming at you when you have the ball he wants
Bring on Tyrone, revenge will be sweet, Ciarrai abu

[ahoythere]

On current form:

Murphy 7 Devine 8
O'Sullivan 6 Gourley 8
Griffin 8 Macmahon 9
O Se 7 McMenamin 9
O Se 8 Harte 8
O'Mahony 8 Gormley 9
Young 8 Jordan 9
O'Se 8 McGinley 9
Scanlon 8 Holmes 7
Sheehan 6 Dooher 9
O'Sullivan 9 McGuigan 7
Brosnan 7 MacMahon 9
Gooch 9 McCullagh 9
Donaghy 8 Cavanagh 9
Walsh 8 McGuigan 8

115 127

[monthebiffy1]

its the dream final with a winner takes all look about it, the team selection is going to be very interesting, here's 2 that i would be in favour of 1) i would start with quirke and keep dara as a sub, i think we would get a big 2nd half from him and thats tha half in which you want youe best 15 on the pitch.quirke will do fine for 1st half and will win his fair share of ball.
2) without any doubt i would start galvin, (and i would have a good bet he will start), his fitness will be fine and for tyone we simply must pick him. im surprised that several ppl here dont think he should start, i would have him ahead of two of todays starting forwards by a long way

[inforthebreaks]

Aug 31, 2008 20:29:58 GMT monthebiffy1 said:

i would start with quirke and keep dara as a sub, i think we would get a big 2nd half from him

funny man

[ahoythere]

Aug 31, 2008 20:19:33 GMT 3inarow said:

i seriously cant wait for this one, this is GAA as good as it gets. We owe these a good beating and im totally confident of a win. Like the Kingdom said i cant wait to see Mcmenamin try what he did to a young Gooch on a young tough Tommy Walsh. If its in your face football Tyrone like to play well Kerry can do both in your face football and good complete football. Alot of people didnt like what O' Mahoney and Galvin did and gave out about them and their style but it will be these boys who will have us roaring from the stands when Tyrone try their puke football and Mahoney bursts his way out knocking 3 men on his way out. What a Pup !!! Dara will be back for maybe but hopefully not his last game and will lord it at midfield. "Dara is gone up for the ball he'll be down in a minute"
But really what i cant wait to see is the Tyrone boys trying to stop a fella who, has trained / played for this game all his life, who loves a game where the opposition like a physical game, a fella who knows he let his whole county down but knows what he has to do to fix it all up again and earn his medal and to lift ol Sam, a fella who has 3 or 4 championship games built up inside him that he cant wait to get out in 70 minutes,
i would'nt like to be the guy with the ball and see that guy coming at you when you have the ball he wants
Bring on Tyrone, revenge will be sweet, Ciarrai abu

Don't think big Dara will have the legs for McGinley I'm afraid. You can have all the will to win in the world, but when the legs start failing you, you're fighting an uphill battle. The only two times Dara has faced a versatile midfielder like McGinley this year, he has been sent off. I really really can't see Kerry beating Tyrone for the following reasons:

1. Kerry's shaky defence. The movement of the Tyrones forwards over the last two games has been a joy to behold. I think they will put up a seriously big score against this kerry defence.

2. Tyrones full back line. I think they are the only full back line in the country capable of thwarting kerrys full forward line. Macmahon is exceptional, while Mcmenamin loves marking the Gooch, while Gourley has the pace and power to handle Walsh. Shields showed this today when he beat Walsh up a stick when he came on.

3. Tyrones half forward line. They will completely nullify Kerrys half back line going forward, and Mcguigan has the football brain to beat O'Mahony, who prefers big burly centre forwards.

4. Tyrones half back line. They have been magnificent over the past few games. Can't see how ye expect Galvin to get up to speed straight away and chase Harte or Jordan all over the field.

5. The midfield battle. Kerry have had a habit of completely fading out of games at midfield this year, and I can see this happening again. Dara doesn't have the legs anymore and Scanlon isn't up to it physically. When Cork came back at Kerry today, Scanlon was nowhere to be seen.

6. Tyrone play as a team. Tyrone play much better as aunit, whereas Kerry rely on individual brilliance to win games. If each and every Tyrone defender sticks to his guns, they have the beating of their men.

7. Tyrones superior fitness. I don't think I have ever seen a fitter football team than this Tyrone one. The fitness levels of the likes of Dooher, Jordan, Cavanagh, McGinley, Harte are exceptional. Kerry look a tired team and have faded in the second half in most games this year. Only for Gooches fortuitous goal today ( was going wide until defender deflected it goalwards, watch replay closely) Cork could have nicked it.

That's all I can think of for now, but for me that's enough reasons why it will be Brian Dooher lifting Sam come September the 21st.

[fivenarow]

Aug 31, 2008 20:40:35 GMT ahoythere said:

Aug 31, 2008 20:19:33 GMT 3inarow said:

i seriously cant wait for this one, this is GAA as good as it gets. We owe these a good beating and im totally confident of a win. Like the Kingdom said i cant wait to see Mcmenamin try what he did to a young Gooch on a young tough Tommy Walsh. If its in your face football Tyrone like to play well Kerry can do both in your face football and good complete football. Alot of people didnt like what O' Mahoney and Galvin did and gave out about them and their style but it will be these boys who will have us roaring from the stands when Tyrone try their puke football and Mahoney bursts his way out knocking 3 men on his way out. What a Pup !!! Dara will be back for maybe but hopefully not his last game and will lord it at midfield. "Dara is gone up for the ball he'll be down in a minute"
But really what i cant wait to see is the Tyrone boys trying to stop a fella who, has trained / played for this game all his life, who loves a game where the opposition like a physical game, a fella who knows he let his whole county down but knows what he has to do to fix it all up again and earn his medal and to lift ol Sam, a fella who has 3 or 4 championship games built up inside him that he cant wait to get out in 70 minutes,
i would'nt like to be the guy with the ball and see that guy coming at you when you have the ball he wants
Bring on Tyrone, revenge will be sweet, Ciarrai abu

Don't think big Dara will have the legs for McGinley I'm afraid. You can have all the will to win in the world, but when the legs start failing you, you're fighting an uphill battle. The only two times Dara has faced a versatile midfielder like McGinley this year, he has been sent off. I really really can't see Kerry beating Tyrone for the following reasons:

1. Kerry's shaky defence. The movement of the Tyrones forwards over the last two games has been a joy to behold. I think they will put up a seriously big score against this kerry defence.

2. Tyrones full back line. I think they are the only full back line in the country capable of thwarting kerrys full forward line. Macmahon is exceptional, while Mcmenamin loves marking the Gooch, while Gourley has the pace and power to handle Walsh. Shields showed this today when he beat Walsh up a stick when he came on.

3. Tyrones half forward line. They will completely nullify Kerrys half back line going forward, and Mcguigan has the football brain to beat O'Mahony, who prefers big burly centre forwards.

4. Tyrones half back line. They have been magnificent over the past few games. Can't see how ye expect Galvin to get up to speed straight away and chase Harte or Jordan all over the field.

5. The midfield battle. Kerry have had a habit of completely fading out of games at midfield this year, and I can see this happening again. Dara doesn't have the legs anymore and Scanlon isn't up to it physically. When Cork came back at Kerry today, Scanlon was nowhere to be seen.

6. Tyrone play as a team. Tyrone play much better as aunit, whereas Kerry rely on individual brilliance to win games. If each and every Tyrone defender sticks to his guns, they have the beating of their men.

7. Tyrones superior fitness. I don't think I have ever seen a fitter football team than this Tyrone one. The fitness levels of the likes of Dooher, Jordan, Cavanagh, McGinley, Harte are exceptional. Kerry look a tired team and have faded in the second half in most games this year. Only for Gooches fortuitous goal today ( was going wide until defender deflected it goalwards, watch replay closely) Cork could have nicked it.

That's all I can think of for now, but for me that's enough reasons why it will be Brian Dooher lifting Sam come September the 21st.

Ahoythere you are obviously not from Kerry but someone would want to call you ashore

[dieu7]

This Cork team is nowhere near the level of skill, performance, or intensity of this Tyrone team. It shouldn't be forgotten that Cork always up their performance against Kerry, and my major worry is that for the past ten years we have seriously never addressed our lack of ability in finishing teams off and killing games. The amount of wides we hit last week was unlike our usually clinical nature, but seroussly, we should absolutely beat this tyrone team. Wexford's defence was terrible today, the Tyrone forwards and even half-backs walked through unchallenged to score easy points from around the 21.

Hopefully our half back line will stop the Tyrone running game.

[ansúilleabhánach]

Aug 31, 2008 20:19:57 GMT ahoythere said:

On current form:

Murphy 7 Devine 8
O'Sullivan 6 Gourley 8
Griffin 8 Macmahon 9
O Se 7 McMenamin 9
O Se 8 Harte 8
O'Mahony 8 Gormley 9
Young 8 Jordan 9
O'Se 8 McGinley 9
Scanlon 8 Holmes 7
Sheehan 6 Dooher 9
O'Sullivan 9 McGuigan 7
Brosnan 7 MacMahon 9
Gooch 9 McCullagh 9
Donaghy 8 Cavanagh 9
Walsh 8 McGuigan 8

115 127

Lads I remember reading the Tribune the day after beating Armagh in 2006. Now this was when the media's love affair with the Orchardmen had yet to descend from its giddy heights, and boy, were they giddy. I glanced through the player ratings and suspicion was aroused. Luckily, I was borderline-OCD enough to tot the numbers up for both sides, and, iontas na n-iontas, Armagh were on average a mark ahead of Kerry.
That story came to mind looking at the above post.

Mind you, if we scored 115 points and still lost, I'd admit to being a tad let down...

[clarinman]

On the negative side: -
1. Our indiscipline is becoming a big problem Mouthing back to ref has to stop. Cork scored 3 frees today after ref moved ball forward.
2. Our half-forward line has only scored 1-1 from play in the last 2 games. Also most of Corks attacks in the second half started from their half-back line. We need to sort this out as Harte and Jordan will do damage. Sheahan is struggling big time since being moved out from the full forward line.
3. Our midfield seems to fade for long periods during the second half of games. Management is too slow to react. Moran is good enough - put him on earlier.
4. Once again there was no variation in the kick outs. When Wexford used the short kick out today it worked very well.
5. We are conceding large scores in every match. I think alot of this is down to the lack of cover provided by the half forward line. Galvin has been a huge loss here.
6. Mickey Harte is the best tactician around

On the positive side: -
1. Walsh , Star, Gooch. Tyrone conceded 1-14 to a very average forward line today. Our full forward line could do big damage here. we need to do well enough in midfield to keep Donaghy at full forward.
2. Marc and Tom Sull are finding form at the right time. Stability provided by Tommy Griffen has been a big help here.
3. As we have seen in 2002 and 2005, winning an easy quarter and semi-final is not good preparation for a final. Kerry are battle-hardened this year. Tyrone will be unsure of how good they are.
4. Kerry were close to an excellent Tyrone team in 2005. No O'Neill and Canavan this time and Brian McGuigan is far from his best. I don't think this Tyrone team is anywhere near as good as 2005.
5. Darragh and Galvin back.

[thepope]

Aug 31, 2008 20:19:57 GMT ahoythere said:

On current form:

Murphy 7 Devine 8
O'Sullivan 6 Gourley 8
Griffin 8 Macmahon 9
O Se 7 McMenamin 9
O Se 8 Harte 8
O'Mahony 8 Gormley 9
Young 8 Jordan 9
O'Se 8 McGinley 9
Scanlon 8 Holmes 7
Sheehan 6 Dooher 9
O'Sullivan 9 McGuigan 7
Brosnan 7 MacMahon 9
Gooch 9 McCullagh 9
Donaghy 8 Cavanagh 9
Walsh 8 McGuigan 8

115 127

oh my god, this scoring system is perfect. let me check the maths, yes it looks like we are in serious trouble. now it took a while to figure your system out but i think i have it. you just make it up, right?

now i'm going to try it, let me know if this is accurate:

Superman 8 -Batman 9
Wonder Woman 10 -Catwoman 8
Gandhi 3 -Stalin 9
Marilyn Monroe 10 -Madonna 2
Michael Jackson(Black) 10 -Michael Jackson(White) 2

its a bit like 'Top Trumps' but i can't see how anybody could argue with your logic, can we just close the forum down now, no need for arguing anything anymore. ahoy is a genius everybody, a true genius.

[haryegsnbaken]

Can any one in their right mind see Tyrone winning this final???

Now thats what I call complacency!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I suppose we better prepare so!!!!

Man this is some challenge.

But I just view it as an oppportunity of a life time.

Go for it.

[haryegsnbaken]

Just read ahoys scoring thread.

Looks like we are in trouble lads.