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Post by anciarraiodh on Jan 25, 2005 12:54:53 GMT
Does anyone know if these rules will be implemented in club football. I know they accepted that introduction of the sin bin at club level was unlikely in the forseeable future because its hard enough to get a referee and umpires to turn up to a game without needing time officials as well. Hard to see them getting that organised at club level for a while but they might surprise us.
I think it depends if the rules are passed at the end of the year. They wont apply this year or will they. I remember that the mark never made it through to club football.
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Post by scoobydo on Jan 25, 2005 12:59:03 GMT
did it not? is a while back now alright so i'm not sure, I reckon the rest is in straight away though, yellow cards etc were used in club football straight away, i know this is a bit bigger but you can expect that the first competitive match you play this year to have the new rules implemented, less needs to be done organisational wise as there is no need for time keepers, once a lad is gone, he's gone..mores the pity
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Post by Karina on Jan 25, 2005 13:40:01 GMT
One can also look at it another way. You gave an example of a player who took out another player and never got sent off, well under the new rules he would have been punished and another player brought on. Persistent fowling could become a problem but why would any manager encourage this, half his team would be off by the end of the game. And he can't instruct the next sub to continue the persistent fowling. For instance, if a player consistently fowled Cooper (as has happened) he would be sent off. Another player would be brought on but surely he wouldn't have the same orders? Referees have got alot stricter these days so I can't see a player who deliberately takes out another player getting off any lighter than a straight red card.
AS regards umpires having more power, does that mean if the umpire draws the refs attention that play will stop? Or will it be like when the linesman puts up his flag and doesn't get noticed till play has stopped.
Also as we are on the subject, has there been a rule change as regards the linesman. When he puts up his flag now is play going to be stopped straight away by the referee?
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Post by kerryman on Jan 25, 2005 14:09:34 GMT
I though the new rule was for 2 yellows rather than 1. Gone for the rest of the game to be replaced by a single sub is a joke.
They should just use the clean pickup and see if that is enough to clean up the game (without being able to pass the ball by hand along the ground).
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Post by seamus on Jan 25, 2005 14:30:42 GMT
Agree Kerryman,
Bring in the clean pick up first. Everything else is just a cover up for the fact that there is no clearly defined tackle in football which leads to huge inconsistencies among referees. I can see this yellow card thing leading to huge problems. Many clubs in Kerry have a star forward who does all the scoring. This system will allow him to be beaten up with no real conseqeunce to the opposing team. If the GAA think otherwise they are being really naive. Many clubs would certainly abuse it in key games, unfortunately.
My solution is to implement the clean pick up and work on defining the legalities of the tackle better.
1. Side by side shoulder only - how many times do you see a player giving a frontal shoulder being let off. 2. Jersey pulling - automatic yelllow card 3. No more than 2 men can tackle a player on the ball - will reduce the times we see a player being mauled by 4-5 of the opposition.
I think the pick off the ground will speed the game up and apart from the points raised above there is very little wrong with our game. People tend to forget this.......
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Post by BIGMAC on Jan 25, 2005 18:04:30 GMT
hope u dont mind if i put my 2 pennys in,why dont the gaa adopt the same rule as the as the foreign sport [soccer] and bring in a points system for yellow cards,so many pts and u miss a game,red card and u miss 3 it works worldwide so y not here.it would make a lot of players take note of what they r doing especially if it came to big games and they could miss out on the glory.
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Post by kerryman on Jan 27, 2005 10:55:03 GMT
My solution is to implement the clean pick up and work on defining the legalities of the tackle better. 1. Side by side shoulder only - how many times do you see a player giving a frontal shoulder being let off. 2. Jersey pulling - automatic yelllow card 3. No more than 2 men can tackle a player on the ball - will reduce the times we see a player being mauled by 4-5 of the opposition. So far so good there Seamus. The single hand tackle is hard to referee though: The hand knocking the ball from the opponents hand by contact with the ball, not the player. (have I the right interpretation of the tackle there?)
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Post by FatTom on Jan 27, 2005 11:06:30 GMT
I agree with Big Mac - points system at county level would be a great idea
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Post by Admin on Jan 13, 2006 18:58:49 GMT
The permanent sin bin was a success. Post by austinstacksabu on 14 Apr, 2005, 15:45
From the epic scroll keepers in Pairc An Crocaigh.
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Press Release
14 April 2005
Allianz League Statistics
The GAA have confirmed details of the total numbers of goals and points scored and the numbers of red and yellow cards issued in the group stages of the Allianz football league and the first series of the Allianz Hurling league.
The figures show that under the experimental rules in football, the number of yellow cards issued fell by almost 52%. 302 yellow cards were issued in this year's league as opposed to 628 last year while the number of red cards issued fell from 45 in 2004 to 9 in 2005. The total number of scores in the league showed an increase from 2491 in 2004 to 2769 this year. In the 2005 league a total of 200 goals and 2569 points were scored. In 2004 the corresponding figures were 229 goals and 2262 points.
In the first series of the Allianz Hurling league, the total number of yellow cards issued fell by 37% from 279 to 175. The number of red cards also fell, from 19 to 9 while the total number of scores grew from 1933 to 2204. In 2004 there were 204 goals and 1729 points recorded in the first series of the league (five rounds of games) while in 2005 there were 252 goals and 1952 points scored in the same period.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Re: The permanent sin bin was a success. Post by scooter on 14 Apr, 2005, 16:07
think the sin bin should go but keep the pick up off the ground and the tee for the goalkeeper -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Re: The permanent sin bin was a success. Post by milko on 14 Apr, 2005, 16:32
would disagree there scooter, from the article above we can see that the sin bin has cut out the foulin and has been a sucess.
keep the picking off the ground but get rid of the tee for the keeper. any keeper should be able to kick out the ball and it slows down the game aswell. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Re: The permanent sin bin was a success. Post by gusta on 14 Apr, 2005, 16:54
Sin Bin was a shambles- players scared to commit in tackles and it ruined the game for a player very early on. Keep the pick off the ground and the tee. Without the tee club pitches goals are gettin ruined. Less red cards cause fellas are on the line for the GREAT yellow card! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Re: The permanent sin bin was a success. Post by austinstacksabu on 14 Apr, 2005, 17:14
I actually thought the league was more open than usual and apart from the usual logic defying decisions from the odd ref, it was of better standard than usual. The scores testify to that. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Re: The permanent sin bin was a success. Post by FatTom on 14 Apr, 2005, 19:55
I don't think so Stacks there was some terrible decisions by refs in awarding yellow cards and the players simply don't want it. In fact two of the players on the committee for rules change were strongly against it and the GPA weren't even consulted. In some instances the off the ball is good for speed in others it makes GAA look like rugby which isnt what we are about. The tee should be kept if keepers want it, any keeper should have a good kick without it - but it shouldn't be mandatory.
I'd like to see the old yellow and red situation but with the linesmen and umpires become more active in signalling fouls and off the ball stuff which to me is obviously the problem. Umpires afraid of the crowd reaction taking the easy way out.
Otherwise have two refs. An accumalative points based yellow card system would also work well. 1 yellow is too harsh and puts too much pressure on referees and is ruining a great aspect of our game - the physical side. You can barely hit a fella a shoulder any more. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Re: The permanent sin bin was a success. Post by JOAN on 14 Apr, 2005, 20:45
There was noting wrong with the rule before. Why do they have to mess with it. As for picking of the ground it rubbish. It whats makes our game different. It takes skill we have be taught that from day one, and the kick out, should be the goalies call. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Re: The permanent sin bin was a success. Post by Karina on 15 Apr, 2005, 9:16
Have to say the new system has improved the game a little as there is less fouling and less free's. look at the kerry games this year. BUT if the new system is to be kept referee's have to be conistent, you can't give one guy a yellow for one foul and leave a guy on the opposive team off with a tick.
I would keep it if it was policed properly, but if referees are in doubt that it can be policed it should be scraped.
The tee and the pick up should be kept.
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