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Post by JOAN on May 25, 2012 3:37:54 GMT
Thrilled for Pa... and Shane...
Great to see Bohane back Hope he can stay injury free..Glad for crowley thought brian would get the nod ahead of him tho... Mandad was right on the money..Star dropped hummmm..He is not playing his best but didnt expect to see him dropped.Either way best of luck to all..Hon the kingdom
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Post by greengold35 on May 25, 2012 7:07:33 GMT
Have to say not surprised to see Star on the bench though I am disappointed; Kerry's game plan at the moment does not sit well with a big man at full forward so negative have we become- in fact we have become boring to watch and this is something I thought I would never hear myself saying- the incessant hand passing, holding possession at all costs ending with a big hoof to the full forward line is killing us and has cost us a couple of all Irelands in the very recent past.
Donaghys demotion is partly due to a disciplinary issue having been late for the trial game last Friday night and apparently attending the European cup final game in Munich in breach of management's wishes.
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Post by kerrygold on May 25, 2012 9:01:55 GMT
kieran's form over the past number of seasons doesn't give Kerry a a cutting edge presence from fullforward. Fullforwards needs to run the angles and make themselves available for the incoming ball. Brian Stafford never seemed to move faster than a tractor in low axle but he was always available in space for the incoming ball.
Kieran was playing well enough to do a good job at wing forward so we can assume media reports are accurate. Kieran O'Leary's form in the autumn window above in Croker from last season was superb, so his inclusion is on merit.
Great to see Shane Enright, Daniel Bohane, Peter Crowley and Paddy Curtain starting a championship season, the best of luck to them all. I'm sure KD will have stepped back up to plate before the summer is out.
Media reports this morning named the Kerry players unavailable or retired since 2009. It was some achievement to be in the championship kitchen last September with 5 minutes to go, it will take a massive effort to get back there again in 2012. Best of luck to all in the Kerry set up on Sunday.
Diarmuid Murphy
Tom Sullivan, Tommy Griffin, Marc (injured)
.......... Mike McCarthy, Aidan, (bench)
Darragh O Se, (Seamus Scanlon, out of form), David Moran (sub, injured)
Sean Sullivan (sub, retired), Tadhg Kennelly, Donacha Walsh (sub, injured)
..........,(kieran Donaghy, poor form), Tommy Walsh (OZ).
The turnover of kerry players is huge, even bigger when you factor in the the turnover of players from the first half of the last decade.
Despite all of that, the bench still looks strong for Sunday's game.
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Post by kerryeye on May 25, 2012 9:04:05 GMT
Agree with almost everything veteran said. I don't agree that Donaghy is a dead cert on the first XV. Of course playing him anywhere other than the full forward line has been shown to be ludicrous, but a full forward line of Cooper, Declan and Curtin is a very strong line and is possibly a more mobile one than one containing Donaghy. I do agree that Donaghy was hung out to dry in league by being played out of position time and again - Young is not cut out for the full back line, this has been proven repeatedly - O'Leary can play wing forward, but does not bring enough to the party there, he is better in full forward line but is behind in the picking order in that line. Surprised that BJ Keane did not get the nod at 12. - Good to see Fionn Fitzgerald on the bench, closest thing to the next Marc O'Se I have seen and I don't believe I am overstating his case. The argument is thrown about that he is too light but like Marc, what he may lack in physical power he more than makes up for in reading of the game and general football intelligence. Crokes could have had a day out in All Ireland club final if they had put him on Jamie Clarke in Portlaoise back in February - This is an utterly pointless fixture which benefits neither team. Championship badly,badly,badly needs restructuring. Kerry played eight games against top level opposition between start of February and start of April. Game a week almost. Fans love it, players love it. If Kerry beat Cork they will play one game against top level opposition between start of May and start of August. Eight games in two months in the warm up phase of the season and one game in three months in the 'business end' of the season. Fans are crying out for games, players are sick of training. Ridiculous and needs sorting out as soon as possible - Kerry to win by nine to twelve points Excellent post Kerry Star and fully agree with you with regards the structure of the championship.It's about time we saw a radical change to the whole format and sort out the whole thing,i.e the gap between games in the summer which not only is a terrible thing for the inter county players themselves but also is a major disruption to club fixtures allover the country. |
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Post by Jigz84 on May 25, 2012 9:07:02 GMT
The way the forwards are selected it leaves room for alot of rotation, Declan can move out, Curtin can play at 14, Darran can go inside or on the wing. Donaghy would be a good impact sub for the last 20 minutes. Anyway, I think it forces the oppostion's defense to be on their toes more when faced with 6 mobile forwards who could show up anywhere in the forward line.
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Post by givehimaball on May 25, 2012 9:38:06 GMT
- This is an utterly pointless fixture which benefits neither team. Championship badly,badly,badly needs restructuring. Kerry played eight games against top level opposition between start of February and start of April. Game a week almost. Fans love it, players love it. If Kerry beat Cork they will play one game against top level opposition between start of May and start of August. Eight games in two months in the warm up phase of the season and one game in three months in the 'business end' of the season. Fans are crying out for games, players are sick of training. Ridiculous and needs sorting out as soon as possible Excellent post Kerry Star and fully agree with you with regards the structure of the championship.It's about time we saw a radical change to the whole format and sort out the whole thing,i.e the gap between games in the summer which not only is a terrible thing for the inter county players themselves but also is a major disruption to club fixtures allover the country. Excellent summary of the problems with the Championship. However I don't hold out much hope for it to be changing any time some. Beyond the innate conservatism of the GAA, changing the structure of the Championship would take too much power and status away from the Provincial Councils. Take this away and people would be questioning the need for the provincial councils. A lot of establishment jobs for the boys in place at provincial council level, with obvious duplication/waste of effort with four jobs/positions. For administrative/logistical purposes it would make a lot of sense to abolish the provincial councils but don't expect it to happen any time soon. Also if you see someone arguing against reforming the Championship have a look and see if they have any links to the Provincial Councils. The ridiculous attempt by Dublin GAA to look for provincial status a while back was basically just a effort at grabbing more power and influence. |
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Post by Mickmack on May 25, 2012 9:51:52 GMT
Its not though as Kerry and others dont have options....... you can go through the front door or the qualifiers.
1. The Road Not Taken
TWO roads diverged in a yellow wood,
And sorry I could not travel both
And be one traveler, long I stood
And looked down one as far as I could
To where it bent in the undergrowth;
Then took the other, as just as fair,
And having perhaps the better claim,
Because it was grassy and wanted wear;
Though as for that the passing there
Had worn them really about the same,
And both that morning equally lay
In leaves no step had trodden black.
Oh, I kept the first for another day!
Yet knowing how way leads on to way,
I doubted if I should ever come back.
I shall be telling this with a sigh
Somewhere ages and ages hence:
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference.
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Post by kerryeye on May 25, 2012 10:36:34 GMT
Its not though as Kerry and others dont have options....... you can go through the front door or the qualifiers. 1. The Road Not Taken TWO roads diverged in a yellow wood, And sorry I could not travel both And be one traveler, long I stood And looked down one as far as I could To where it bent in the undergrowth; Then took the other, as just as fair, And having perhaps the better claim, Because it was grassy and wanted wear; Though as for that the passing there Had worn them really about the same, And both that morning equally lay In leaves no step had trodden black. Oh, I kept the first for another day! Yet knowing how way leads on to way, I doubted if I should ever come back. I shall be telling this with a sigh Somewhere ages and ages hence: Two roads diverged in a wood, and I— I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference. Is it not a bit early in the morning to be on the booze Micheal?what exactly is the point of your post? We know both roads very well at this stage and feel its time for a big change.Dig it up and build a bypass is my theory anyway!! |
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Post by kerrystar on May 25, 2012 10:46:58 GMT
Its not though as Kerry and others dont have options....... you can go through the front door or the qualifiers. The qualifiers should not be an 'option' though, but unfortunately their presence has diluted all the traditionally big provincial games - Dublin Meath, Kerry Cork, Galway Mayo. The games don't mean the same when the losing team knows they will have two or three games against weaker teams to recuperate. Needs a radical change, but as has been pointed out, the innate conservatism of Congress means that change won't happen. The GAA is losing ground to other sports because of this. You cannot market a mismatch like Kerry/Tipp. I honestly believe that an AFL type championship of league followed by knockout games would be such a breath of fresh air that people would wonder why we had ever stuck with the silly backdoor structure. |
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Post by buck02 on May 25, 2012 11:12:22 GMT
I've heard that Kerry are not playing Marc and Donaghy so they will lose the game against Tipp and go the qualifier route.
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Post by dart on May 25, 2012 11:23:02 GMT
I've heard that Kerry are not playing Marc and Donaghy so they will lose the game against Tipp and go the qualifier route. Do you believe that? |
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Post by kot on May 25, 2012 11:26:35 GMT
Agree with almost everything veteran said. I don't agree that Donaghy is a dead cert on the first XV. Of course playing him anywhere other than the full forward line has been shown to be ludicrous, but a full forward line of Cooper, Declan and Curtin is a very strong line and is possibly a more mobile one than one containing Donaghy. I do agree that Donaghy was hung out to dry in league by being played out of position time and again - Young is not cut out for the full back line, this has been proven repeatedly - O'Leary can play wing forward, but does not bring enough to the party there, he is better in full forward line but is behind in the picking order in that line. Surprised that BJ Keane did not get the nod at 12. - Good to see Fionn Fitzgerald on the bench, closest thing to the next Marc O'Se I have seen and I don't believe I am overstating his case. The argument is thrown about that he is too light but like Marc, what he may lack in physical power he more than makes up for in reading of the game and general football intelligence. Crokes could have had a day out in All Ireland club final if they had put him on Jamie Clarke in Portlaoise back in February - This is an utterly pointless fixture which benefits neither team. Championship badly,badly,badly needs restructuring. Kerry played eight games against top level opposition between start of February and start of April. Game a week almost. Fans love it, players love it. If Kerry beat Cork they will play one game against top level opposition between start of May and start of August. Eight games in two months in the warm up phase of the season and one game in three months in the 'business end' of the season. Fans are crying out for games, players are sick of training. Ridiculous and needs sorting out as soon as possible - Kerry to win by nine to twelve points Some very valid points. Particularly on the structure of the championship. It really is madness and any romanticism about keeping as is was shot when they introduced the qualifiers. Provincial championships should be scrapped. You could introduce a seeding system and your seed goes up and down based on your league performance. I.e. If you are a top seed and you go down to Div 2 then you are 2nd seed for the championship. Make the draw immediately after the league. 6 groups of 4 & 2 of 5. Then you have a last 16 -> quarters -> semi -> final. Games probably every 2 weeks. Level playing field. 9-12 points, was looking at Tipp +11. Might be a few nerves so they will try and rough up the new boys but then find our feet and win by about 8 or 9. |
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Post by sullyschoice on May 25, 2012 11:28:38 GMT
I'd say they would want to drop a few other fellas and put me in goals for that to happen
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Post by Mickmack on May 25, 2012 11:29:52 GMT
kerryseye...... my theory is to use the system not change it.
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Post by lár na páirce on May 25, 2012 11:29:56 GMT
Happy enough with the side,Sunday could turn out to be a very important game for us,If Bohane plays a solid game he could finally hold the full back spot for Cork releasing Marc to the corner or the forty.
Crowley is another who a big game in the big field should suit his game building confidence for Pairc ui Chaoimh.
O'Leary really needs a make or break year.BJK and James O D are on his heels to pass him out in the pecking order,I have faith his vision will suit the 40.
The Full forward line looks devastating,Leaving Star on the bench might be no harm to try a plan B.
Low fast ball will be the order of the day,With Crowley,Brossie and Tómas bursting up from the half back line.
I'd like to see James O'D ,BJK,Aidan,Maguire and Scanlon/Buckley get a good 20 minutes on Sunday,The panel should be healthy facing into Cork with that 20 plus Star,Marc and Donnacha.
Kerry to win at a canter 12 points or more
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Post by Jigz84 on May 25, 2012 12:11:28 GMT
Taken from RTE website........
For the third consecutive year, Kerry begin their Munster championship against Tipperary.
It should be no more than a warm-up game for the Kingdom at Semple Stadium against vastly-inferior opposition, but the chances to tinker further and find his best starting XV is always welcome.
Kieran Donaghy will start on the bench, with Daniel Bohan, Peter Crowley and Patrick Curtin given starting roles.
Reports this morning claim that Donaghy has been dropped for disciplinary reasons after the attending the Champions League soccer final last weekend.
It gives Curtin the chance to shine and after such a fine impact in the Allianz League, he will be confident of scoring heavily against the Premier.
Michael Quinlivan and Shane Scully will start in the Championship for the first time for Tipperary under new boss Peter Creedon.
John Evans resigned after a very poor start to the year and Creedon is hoping to bring through several young players this term, and playing Kerry will be one of the best experience they will get.
Selector Gerry McGill has no issue over playing such a strong side and feels it is something the players should relish.
He told the Tipperary Star: "You measure yourself against the best.
"The structure is the way it is and when you play in the Munster championship the fact is you will hit Kerry or Cork at some stage.
"I wouldn't have any qualms about it but we are under no illusions - we are playing the best team in the country. We just have to adapt and get over it."
Adapting is one thing but it is impossible to see how Tipperary can cope with such a quality Kingdom line-up. A comfortable win is on the cards.
Verdict: Tipperary
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Post by kerryeye on May 25, 2012 12:13:23 GMT
kerryseye...... my theory is to use the system not change it. Course we could do that Mick and I think we may have done this in the past but what I'm talking about isn't about Kerry winning an All Ireland,it's about improving the whole structure of the championship and making it a better specacle for all.This may take 5-10 years to come in or may never come in but i'd love to see a big overhaul of it anyway. |
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Post by Mickmack on May 25, 2012 13:04:22 GMT
kerryseye...... my theory is to use the system not change it. Course we could do that Mick and I think we may have done this in the past but what I'm talking about isn't about Kerry winning an All Ireland,it's about improving the whole structure of the championship and making it a better specacle for all.This may take 5-10 years to come in or may never come in but i'd love to see a big overhaul of it anyway. okay..... well i agree that the structure needs to be looked at. Dont hold your breath though and one gets weary from seeing valid arguments and suggestions by you and lots of others on here being made every year but no ones listening |
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Post by Mickmack on May 25, 2012 13:06:49 GMT
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Post by mossie on May 25, 2012 23:08:53 GMT
big day for Bohane. i dont think he has started a senior championship game b4???
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Post by townend on May 26, 2012 8:07:43 GMT
fine weather, a few places up for graps the Star on the bench waiting to make his point
can only lead to a 10 point win for kerry.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on May 26, 2012 8:36:27 GMT
I say Curtin will be fired up for this. I love star but him on the bench is a blessing in disguise I think. Just imagine Declan, Darren, Gooch, Galvin, Curtion and O'Leary facing you and then to make matters worse just as you start to get tired they bring on Donaghy. I think Kerry's forwards are still very much the very best in the country, including the newer, younger players, and it's good to see plenty of young players being tried, and a bench that looks very, very impressive, but we still need some work to be done on the backs.
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Post by kykk on May 26, 2012 18:04:05 GMT
Good job for Donaghy john myler isn't manger off the footballers, he'd be dropped from the panel for the champioship, when do the kerry team travel to thurles, will they wait till sunday morning ??
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Post by misteallaigh abú on May 26, 2012 20:40:26 GMT
Kerry will win this game, of that there is little doubt, there is quite a gulf in class between the sides and that should be evident in the score line tomorrow afternoon. Best of luck to Bohane, Crowley and young Curtin tomorrow, a big day for them. Looking forward to the day out in Thurles.
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Post by georgewashington on May 26, 2012 23:17:00 GMT
Good luck to all involved
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Post by Mickmack on May 27, 2012 8:23:01 GMT
delighted that Fionn Fitzgerald is added to the subs and that Shane and Peter are in the defense. I omitted to say that its great to see Patrick Curtin starting. Patrick can field a ball over his head as good as anyone and this will go someway to making up for the loss of KD from the inside line. Never underestimate the importance of being able to win your own possession. No one will push Patrick around and i think he will be a huge player for Kerry in 2012. Someone compared Fionn Fitzgerald to Marc. High praise indeed. But his performance in the Hogan Cup final in PortLaoise in 2008 was really special. All the attributes of a great defender were there including those priceless and uncoachable qualities of vision and bravery |
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Post by southward on May 27, 2012 8:44:27 GMT
Kerry will win this game, of that there is little doubt, there is quite a gulf in class between the sides and that should be evident in the score line tomorrow afternoon. Best of luck to Bohane, Crowley and young Curtin tomorrow, a big day for them. Looking forward to the day out in Thurles. Shouldn't have any problems, but of course we have to do more than just turn up. And can we please not have any pointless red cards or other Sunday Game fodder today. |
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Post by lorr29 on May 27, 2012 14:35:07 GMT
Listening to the radio and all I can say is shocking stuff!! If Tipp could take their scores we would be in seriously trouble! I'm hoping it can put done to an 'off' day?? Tis hard to tell listening to radio...Are there any positives from today, no shots on goals, poor passing, Kerry forward line just seemed all over the place?? Someone tell me I'm just being negative, but what did we learn from today?
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Post by tommynk on May 27, 2012 14:38:02 GMT
Didn't look sharp today. Sunday game is sickening. Brolly raving about Kerry two years ago writes us off for the last ten years today.
Tough for Sheehan to take a free ,run back for the kickout/ run from defence ,win a free take the free and run back for the kickout
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Post by givehimaball on May 27, 2012 14:44:40 GMT
Listening to the radio and all I can say is shocking stuff!! If Tipp could take their scores we would be in seriously trouble! I'm hoping it can put done to an 'off' day?? Tis hard to tell listening to radio...Are there any positives from today, no shots on goals, poor passing, Kerry forward line just seemed all over the place?? Someone tell me I'm just being negative, but what did we learn from today? Playing on hot days in May is unnatural. Wouldnt put too much significance into it. Really looked like a 4th gear performance from Kerry - they knew this was a formality. Bohane, Brosnan, O'Leary, Crowley, Enright and Darren solid performances. Dec Sull very poor and Curtin didnt impress, but very little quality ball into the forwards. Young average and Gooch reasonable when he saw the ball. Donaghy did well when he came on as did O'Donoghue. None of Sheehan, Galvin or Maher had good performances. Kealy two good saves. |
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